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9mm or .45 ACP? What is your preferred home defense round?

 
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I don't know what kind of "15 rd special dispenser" you'd need for a burglar (or where you'd buy one) ...

the right to bear arms was put in the constitution to allow the public to defend themselves from the government, not from a burglar
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Both, actually.
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Malu. Enjoy.
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*grin*
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oh yeah! i can think of hundreds of perfectly sane, logical, legal reasons to own one

just give me a minute :)
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

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This thread is a great excuse for me to post some gun porn.
My primary 'truck guns'.

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This thread is a great excuse for me to post some gun porn.
My primary 'truck guns'.

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so how many trucks have you shot?
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

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Your guns have one purpose, TO KILL, its made so fucking easy children can use them and they do, taking a life should not easy, yopu should have to put some effort into it, dont you think ?

None of my guns have ever killed anyone. They have slain a few animals and beer cans. Don't be scared, I won't shoot you unless you threaten my life and leave me no choice.

To think some cowardly poof could kill someone with the twitch of their finger, its just seems so very cowardly, I was born in the wrong age, take me to a time where a mans skill and courage kept him alive, a time when being a free man meant something, back when soldiers were warriors and wars were fought up close and personnel when taking life required you face your enemy taste his blood and sweat and watch the look on his face as you hacked him to tiny bits with a sharp bit of metal.



i don't want some aids infested crackhead anywhere near me, and i have the weapons and ability to eliminate them at over six hundred yards, i wouldn't have it any other way, IF, they have made their intentions clear to harm me

don't get to hung up on the distance in your response, it is the intent that counts
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Jee-sus Key-rist, what a pussy!
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so how many trucks have you shot?
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LOL...only 1 or 2, I swear...
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Your guns have one purpose, TO KILL, its made so fucking easy children can use them and they do, taking a life should not easy, yopu should have to put some effort into it, dont you think ?

None of my guns have ever killed anyone. They have slain a few animals and beer cans. Don't be scared, I won't shoot you unless you threaten my life and leave me no choice.

To think some cowardly poof could kill someone with the twitch of their finger, its just seems so very cowardly, I was born in the wrong age, take me to a time where a mans skill and courage kept him alive, a time when being a free man meant something, back when soldiers were warriors and wars were fought up close and personnel when taking life required you face your enemy taste his blood and sweat and watch the look on his face as you hacked him to tiny bits with a sharp bit of metal.



i don't want some aids infested crackhead anywhere near me, and i have the weapons and ability to eliminate them at over six hundred yards, i wouldn't have it any other way, IF, they have made their intentions clear to harm me

don't get to hung up on the distance in your response, it is the intent that counts


Jee-sus Key-rist, what a pussy!
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who you talking to Key-rist?
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

Israel's Mossad

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Dunk, you don't know squat.

A)Why do you assume that the autolaoder doesn't have one up the spout in the first place? Or are you attempting a straw man argument. Naughty, naughty, that is intellectually dishonest.

B)Why do you assume that it is so difficult to rack the slide? Are you limp-wristed?

C) A long gun for encounters at less than 10 feet? You are asking to have that gun ripped out of your hands. Would you care for a demonstration?

Since you clearly don't know shit about the subject, please shut the fuck up.
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Altough I don't agree with everything Dunk said, there are quite a few cases that back him up. Generally it is considered a better idea to use a shotgun for home defense. I'm not sure I agree that using Number 7 shot would be my choice.

And using a long gun at 10 feet is perfectly doable. A 26inch Mossberg 500 would be a very nice weapon at ten feet. With a cut down 18 1/2 inch barrel, firing some #2 or #4 goose shot. Maybe even some BB shot...it'd do nicely. A hit from 60+ .22 caliber BB shot versus missing with a .45. Why missing? Because aligning a shotgun is easier than a handgun..esp in the dark. Two hands sitting on a shotgun line up better than two clenched fists around a pistol grip. Makes for better natural aiming. Ask anyone. Shooting a long arm accurately is much easier than shooting a pistol accurately.

One thing I disagree on. Pump shotguns. The South African police found that using pump shotguns is a bad idea. Automatic shotguns were far better. Less things to worry about. With an automatic, it's just aim, and fire. No worrying about short stroking the shotgun. And I trust the South African police when it comes to shooting people. *smile*
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Evil Twin.

Your guns are too good for truck carry. Having had my car stolen, I'd be afraid to leave them inside. The ones you have would be my "safe queens". *smile* I keep a cheap second hand "Revolation" shotgun with 18 1/2 inch barrel as my car gun now. For 98 bucks, I figure I can lose it without too many tears.
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Go for the one that fits best your mouth

you'll need a comfortable one when you find that you'll never use it and be happy again :)
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Malu. Enjoy.
[link to www.youtube.com]

*grin*



oh yeah! i can think of hundreds of perfectly sane, logical, legal reasons to own one

just give me a minute :)
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Home defense. If your home happens to be...

AMERICA!
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Flare gun , pepper spray, and a sword.
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Evil Twin.

Your guns are too good for truck carry. Having had my car stolen, I'd be afraid to leave them inside. The ones you have would be my "safe queens". *smile* I keep a cheap second hand "Revolation" shotgun with 18 1/2 inch barrel as my car gun now. For 98 bucks, I figure I can lose it without too many tears.
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I have a keyed battery switch installed on my truck, and an alarm system powered by a small secondary battery. Plus, I live out in the sticks, so I don't worry too much about it being stolen. I do take whichever gun is in there in the house every night, as well.
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Dunk, you don't know squat.

A)Why do you assume that the autolaoder doesn't have one up the spout in the first place? Or are you attempting a straw man argument. Naughty, naughty, that is intellectually dishonest.

B)Why do you assume that it is so difficult to rack the slide? Are you limp-wristed?

C) A long gun for encounters at less than 10 feet? You are asking to have that gun ripped out of your hands. Would you care for a demonstration?

Since you clearly don't know shit about the subject, please shut the fuck up.


Altough I don't agree with everything Dunk said, there are quite a few cases that back him up. Generally it is considered a better idea to use a shotgun for home defense. I'm not sure I agree that using Number 7 shot would be my choice.

And using a long gun at 10 feet is perfectly doable. A 26inch Mossberg 500 would be a very nice weapon at ten feet. With a cut down 18 1/2 inch barrel, firing some #2 or #4 goose shot. Maybe even some BB shot...it'd do nicely. A hit from 60+ .22 caliber BB shot versus missing with a .45. Why missing? Because aligning a shotgun is easier than a handgun..esp in the dark. Two hands sitting on a shotgun line up better than two clenched fists around a pistol grip. Makes for better natural aiming. Ask anyone. Shooting a long arm accurately is much easier than shooting a pistol accurately.

One thing I disagree on. Pump shotguns. The South African police found that using pump shotguns is a bad idea. Automatic shotguns were far better. Less things to worry about. With an automatic, it's just aim, and fire. No worrying about short stroking the shotgun. And I trust the South African police when it comes to shooting people. *smile*
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Why should I ask anyone? I have my own experience and training. Two hands sitting on a shotgun, eh? You'd better hope they aren't the hands of the home invader about to disarm you. How fast can an asailant close on you at ten feet? Way too fast. Technique for disarming? Simple. Ex cons trained in prison? You bet.

Ever been "in the shit?" No? Then don't talk from under your hat.
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Dunk, you don't know squat.

A)Why do you assume that the autolaoder doesn't have one up the spout in the first place? Or are you attempting a straw man argument. Naughty, naughty, that is intellectually dishonest.

B)Why do you assume that it is so difficult to rack the slide? Are you limp-wristed?

C) A long gun for encounters at less than 10 feet? You are asking to have that gun ripped out of your hands. Would you care for a demonstration?

Since you clearly don't know shit about the subject, please shut the fuck up.


Altough I don't agree with everything Dunk said, there are quite a few cases that back him up. Generally it is considered a better idea to use a shotgun for home defense. I'm not sure I agree that using Number 7 shot would be my choice.

And using a long gun at 10 feet is perfectly doable. A 26inch Mossberg 500 would be a very nice weapon at ten feet. With a cut down 18 1/2 inch barrel, firing some #2 or #4 goose shot. Maybe even some BB shot...it'd do nicely. A hit from 60+ .22 caliber BB shot versus missing with a .45. Why missing? Because aligning a shotgun is easier than a handgun..esp in the dark. Two hands sitting on a shotgun line up better than two clenched fists around a pistol grip. Makes for better natural aiming. Ask anyone. Shooting a long arm accurately is much easier than shooting a pistol accurately.

One thing I disagree on. Pump shotguns. The South African police found that using pump shotguns is a bad idea. Automatic shotguns were far better. Less things to worry about. With an automatic, it's just aim, and fire. No worrying about short stroking the shotgun. And I trust the South African police when it comes to shooting people. *smile*


Why should I ask anyone? I have my own experience and training. Two hands sitting on a shotgun, eh? You'd better hope they aren't the hands of the home invader about to disarm you. How fast can an asailant close on you at ten feet? Way too fast. Technique for disarming? Simple. Ex cons trained in prison? You bet.

Ever been "in the shit?" No? Then don't talk from under your hat.
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oh god, so we are so blessed to have you among us, none of us should probably even respond to this thread, could you make a list of other subjects that are beyond our scope then? thanks

ten feet? it doesn't matter if you have a pistol or a shotgun, if they have a knife, you are getting stabbed
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

Israel's Mossad

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U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Motto
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Ever been "in the shit?" No? Then don't talk from under your hat.
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You don't know me. You've got no idea what you're talking about or to who. That seems to be an error in judgment right there. Dismissing someone when you don't know their capabilities? Big mistake.

As to being "in the shit" I guess it would depend on your meaning. If you mean, have I been shot at? Then yes I have been. I didn't just have my car stolen before. I've had my house broken into as well. Bad neighborhood down near Airport Road off Agua Fria in Santa Fe New Mexico back in the 1990's. The barrio section of town. Lots of people shot, lots of stuff broken into.
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Everybody has their opinions. I'll stick with my 12 gauge until either it's empty, or the bad guy takes it away, then I'll pull the .45 or .357 or .38, whichever I'm carrying that day.
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ten feet? it doesn't matter if you have a pistol or a shotgun, if they have a knife, you are getting stabbed
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In the dark...down an apartment corridor? They're standing at the kitchen door and you're aiming at them when they step around the door? Wanna know what happens?

First...their eyes fly open wide. Cause they didn't expect you to be there. Your car was in the shop and you had a friend drive you home that night from work. Maybe you turned in early and all the lights are off on a Friday night. Lights off at 10 o clock on a Friday night with no car in the driveway? What would you figure if you're a crook? Nobody is home. Out to the movies. Maybe out on a date. Most crooks prefer to rob you when no body is home. If they make a mistake and you're there...that's when trouble starts. You guys act like your home invaders came there with some idea of how to rush immediately to your room...in the dark...in a strange house...with the sole purpose of confronting you to kill you. That ain't the way it works. They're there for easy money. 9 times out of 10.

Secondly...they have to decide if they want to rush into a shotgun barrel to stab you. OR...make a dash out and run for it. I got unlucky...they did neither. They just froze. I don't speak Spanish so I've got no idea what they were saying. I know what I was saying, but they weren't doing what I told them to do. So then *I* had to make a decision. My decision was to start shooting.

Running toward a guy holding a gun takes some REAL stones, esp if you're armed only with a knife and the other guy has a gun. Hell, I'd have never had to start shooting if they'd had enough sense to just BACK UP!

If my comments are unwelcome here, I'll let you guys get back to your theorizing.
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God help me for what I'm about to say but....

I agree with Duncan Kunz on this one.

Forget this 9mm craze.... the problem with 9mm is the rounds are too high velocity...the slug will usually pass right THROUGH the target you intend to 'stop'.

A good non-jamming .38 revolver or a 12 gauge shotgun are your BEST home defense weapons.

Ask a cop or a gun shop owner someone who actually KNOWS something about guns and doesn't just claim to know a thing or two about them by playing Dirty Harriet or weekend GI Joe and they'll tell you the same thing.

V
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The 9mm Hydroshok hollow point will turn you to jelly.
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The 9mm Hydroshok hollow point will turn you to jelly.
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LOL...and the .45 acp Golden Sabre JHP +P will turn you into a fine mist.
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The 9mm Hydroshok hollow point will turn you to jelly.

LOL...and the .45 acp Golden Sabre JHP +P will turn you into a fine mist.
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:-) Could you imagine someone being literally vaporized?
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The 9mm Hydroshok hollow point will turn you to jelly.

LOL...and the .45 acp Golden Sabre JHP +P will turn you into a fine mist.
:-) Could you imagine someone being literally vaporized?
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I've played the video game! LOL
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I've got little guns.
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The 9mm Hydroshok hollow point will turn you to jelly.

LOL...and the .45 acp Golden Sabre JHP +P will turn you into a fine mist.
:-) Could you imagine someone being literally vaporized?

I've played the video game! LOL
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I guess we have pretty much reached the cutting edge of ammo and ballistic technology. And then I think of what they used in the 1800's to drop Buffalo from a running horse at 100 yards.
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I've got little guns.
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More than a handful is a waste. ;)
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The 9mm Hydroshok hollow point will turn you to jelly.

LOL...and the .45 acp Golden Sabre JHP +P will turn you into a fine mist.
:-) Could you imagine someone being literally vaporized?

I've played the video game! LOL
I guess we have pretty much reached the cutting edge of ammo and ballistic technology. And then I think of what they used in the 1800's to drop Buffalo from a running horse at 100 yards.
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I've got a long bow made out of elk antler.
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I've got little guns.

More than a handful is a waste. ;)
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This is true. Plus they fit in my pocket easier.
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The 9mm Hydroshok hollow point will turn you to jelly.

LOL...and the .45 acp Golden Sabre JHP +P will turn you into a fine mist.
:-) Could you imagine someone being literally vaporized?

I've played the video game! LOL
I guess we have pretty much reached the cutting edge of ammo and ballistic technology. And then I think of what they used in the 1800's to drop Buffalo from a running horse at 100 yards.
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Hell...I don't want to get hit with anything going 1200 to 1800FPS. Did you ever get hit by a bumble bee at 50 mph in the forehead on a motorcycle?
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The 9mm Hydroshok hollow point will turn you to jelly.

LOL...and the .45 acp Golden Sabre JHP +P will turn you into a fine mist.
:-) Could you imagine someone being literally vaporized?

I've played the video game! LOL
I guess we have pretty much reached the cutting edge of ammo and ballistic technology. And then I think of what they used in the 1800's to drop Buffalo from a running horse at 100 yards.
Hell...I don't want to get hit with anything going 1200 to 1800FPS. Did you ever get hit by a bumble bee at 50 mph in the forehead on a motorcycle?
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When I was a kid the butchers would drop a cow with one shot from a .22 between the eyes.

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