9mm or .45 ACP? What is your preferred home defense round?

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I don't know what kind of "15 rd special dispenser" you'd need for a burglar (or where you'd buy one) ...

the right to bear arms was put in the constitution to allow the public to defend themselves from the government, not from a burglar

Malu. Enjoy.
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*grin*

This thread is a great excuse for me to post some gun porn.
My primary 'truck guns'.

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Your guns have one purpose, TO KILL, its made so fucking easy children can use them and they do, taking a life should not easy, yopu should have to put some effort into it, dont you think ?

None of my guns have ever killed anyone. They have slain a few animals and beer cans. Don't be scared, I won't shoot you unless you threaten my life and leave me no choice.

To think some cowardly poof could kill someone with the twitch of their finger, its just seems so very cowardly, I was born in the wrong age, take me to a time where a mans skill and courage kept him alive, a time when being a free man meant something, back when soldiers were warriors and wars were fought up close and personnel when taking life required you face your enemy taste his blood and sweat and watch the look on his face as you hacked him to tiny bits with a sharp bit of metal.



i don't want some aids infested crackhead anywhere near me, and i have the weapons and ability to eliminate them at over six hundred yards, i wouldn't have it any other way, IF, they have made their intentions clear to harm me

don't get to hung up on the distance in your response, it is the intent that counts

so how many trucks have you shot?

Your guns have one purpose, TO KILL, its made so fucking easy children can use them and they do, taking a life should not easy, yopu should have to put some effort into it, dont you think ?

None of my guns have ever killed anyone. They have slain a few animals and beer cans. Don't be scared, I won't shoot you unless you threaten my life and leave me no choice.

To think some cowardly poof could kill someone with the twitch of their finger, its just seems so very cowardly, I was born in the wrong age, take me to a time where a mans skill and courage kept him alive, a time when being a free man meant something, back when soldiers were warriors and wars were fought up close and personnel when taking life required you face your enemy taste his blood and sweat and watch the look on his face as you hacked him to tiny bits with a sharp bit of metal.



i don't want some aids infested crackhead anywhere near me, and i have the weapons and ability to eliminate them at over six hundred yards, i wouldn't have it any other way, IF, they have made their intentions clear to harm me

don't get to hung up on the distance in your response, it is the intent that counts


Jee-sus Key-rist, what a pussy!

Dunk, you don't know squat.

A)Why do you assume that the autolaoder doesn't have one up the spout in the first place? Or are you attempting a straw man argument. Naughty, naughty, that is intellectually dishonest.

B)Why do you assume that it is so difficult to rack the slide? Are you limp-wristed?

C) A long gun for encounters at less than 10 feet? You are asking to have that gun ripped out of your hands. Would you care for a demonstration?

Since you clearly don't know shit about the subject, please shut the fuck up.

Malu. Enjoy.
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oh yeah! i can think of hundreds of perfectly sane, logical, legal reasons to own one

just give me a minute :)

Evil Twin.

Your guns are too good for truck carry. Having had my car stolen, I'd be afraid to leave them inside. The ones you have would be my "safe queens". *smile* I keep a cheap second hand "Revolation" shotgun with 18 1/2 inch barrel as my car gun now. For 98 bucks, I figure I can lose it without too many tears.

Dunk, you don't know squat.

A)Why do you assume that the autolaoder doesn't have one up the spout in the first place? Or are you attempting a straw man argument. Naughty, naughty, that is intellectually dishonest.

B)Why do you assume that it is so difficult to rack the slide? Are you limp-wristed?

C) A long gun for encounters at less than 10 feet? You are asking to have that gun ripped out of your hands. Would you care for a demonstration?

Since you clearly don't know shit about the subject, please shut the fuck up.


Altough I don't agree with everything Dunk said, there are quite a few cases that back him up. Generally it is considered a better idea to use a shotgun for home defense. I'm not sure I agree that using Number 7 shot would be my choice.

And using a long gun at 10 feet is perfectly doable. A 26inch Mossberg 500 would be a very nice weapon at ten feet. With a cut down 18 1/2 inch barrel, firing some #2 or #4 goose shot. Maybe even some BB shot...it'd do nicely. A hit from 60+ .22 caliber BB shot versus missing with a .45. Why missing? Because aligning a shotgun is easier than a handgun..esp in the dark. Two hands sitting on a shotgun line up better than two clenched fists around a pistol grip. Makes for better natural aiming. Ask anyone. Shooting a long arm accurately is much easier than shooting a pistol accurately.

One thing I disagree on. Pump shotguns. The South African police found that using pump shotguns is a bad idea. Automatic shotguns were far better. Less things to worry about. With an automatic, it's just aim, and fire. No worrying about short stroking the shotgun. And I trust the South African police when it comes to shooting people. *smile*

Dunk, you don't know squat.

A)Why do you assume that the autolaoder doesn't have one up the spout in the first place? Or are you attempting a straw man argument. Naughty, naughty, that is intellectually dishonest.

B)Why do you assume that it is so difficult to rack the slide? Are you limp-wristed?

C) A long gun for encounters at less than 10 feet? You are asking to have that gun ripped out of your hands. Would you care for a demonstration?

Since you clearly don't know shit about the subject, please shut the fuck up.


Altough I don't agree with everything Dunk said, there are quite a few cases that back him up. Generally it is considered a better idea to use a shotgun for home defense. I'm not sure I agree that using Number 7 shot would be my choice.

And using a long gun at 10 feet is perfectly doable. A 26inch Mossberg 500 would be a very nice weapon at ten feet. With a cut down 18 1/2 inch barrel, firing some #2 or #4 goose shot. Maybe even some BB shot...it'd do nicely. A hit from 60+ .22 caliber BB shot versus missing with a .45. Why missing? Because aligning a shotgun is easier than a handgun..esp in the dark. Two hands sitting on a shotgun line up better than two clenched fists around a pistol grip. Makes for better natural aiming. Ask anyone. Shooting a long arm accurately is much easier than shooting a pistol accurately.

One thing I disagree on. Pump shotguns. The South African police found that using pump shotguns is a bad idea. Automatic shotguns were far better. Less things to worry about. With an automatic, it's just aim, and fire. No worrying about short stroking the shotgun. And I trust the South African police when it comes to shooting people. *smile*


Why should I ask anyone? I have my own experience and training. Two hands sitting on a shotgun, eh? You'd better hope they aren't the hands of the home invader about to disarm you. How fast can an asailant close on you at ten feet? Way too fast. Technique for disarming? Simple. Ex cons trained in prison? You bet.

Ever been "in the shit?" No? Then don't talk from under your hat.

Ever been "in the shit?" No? Then don't talk from under your hat.

ten feet? it doesn't matter if you have a pistol or a shotgun, if they have a knife, you are getting stabbed

The 9mm Hydroshok hollow point will turn you to jelly.

The 9mm Hydroshok hollow point will turn you to jelly.

LOL...and the .45 acp Golden Sabre JHP +P will turn you into a fine mist.

The 9mm Hydroshok hollow point will turn you to jelly.

LOL...and the .45 acp Golden Sabre JHP +P will turn you into a fine mist.
:-) Could you imagine someone being literally vaporized?

The 9mm Hydroshok hollow point will turn you to jelly.

LOL...and the .45 acp Golden Sabre JHP +P will turn you into a fine mist.
:-) Could you imagine someone being literally vaporized?

I've played the video game! LOL

I've got little guns.

The 9mm Hydroshok hollow point will turn you to jelly.

LOL...and the .45 acp Golden Sabre JHP +P will turn you into a fine mist.
:-) Could you imagine someone being literally vaporized?

I've played the video game! LOL
I guess we have pretty much reached the cutting edge of ammo and ballistic technology. And then I think of what they used in the 1800's to drop Buffalo from a running horse at 100 yards.

I've got little guns.

More than a handful is a waste. ;)

The 9mm Hydroshok hollow point will turn you to jelly.

LOL...and the .45 acp Golden Sabre JHP +P will turn you into a fine mist.
:-) Could you imagine someone being literally vaporized?

I've played the video game! LOL
I guess we have pretty much reached the cutting edge of ammo and ballistic technology. And then I think of what they used in the 1800's to drop Buffalo from a running horse at 100 yards.

The 9mm Hydroshok hollow point will turn you to jelly.

LOL...and the .45 acp Golden Sabre JHP +P will turn you into a fine mist.
:-) Could you imagine someone being literally vaporized?

I've played the video game! LOL
I guess we have pretty much reached the cutting edge of ammo and ballistic technology. And then I think of what they used in the 1800's to drop Buffalo from a running horse at 100 yards.
Hell...I don't want to get hit with anything going 1200 to 1800FPS. Did you ever get hit by a bumble bee at 50 mph in the forehead on a motorcycle?