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| Yolo
User ID: 348823
1/12/2008 9:45 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Greeting Yolo, can you please give me the indian herbs website.
I am new to this forum. I've been using the mms since a month now. I am taking 25 drops 3 time/day. I have colon cancer with metastase to the liver. It's not easy since my husband is physician who does'nt believe in alternative treatment he's not very supportive. I've always been into alternative medecine and my husband knew it since day one but after i was diagnosed with cancer he was so sad and scared, always crying and everything that I go to chemo just to give him peace of mind. According to my oncologist I was responding very well to the chemo treatment but I stoped it at the end of november and started the mms in december. I also order the indian herbs. I am praying god to give me the opportunity to see my 6 months old and my 3 and 5 years old sons grow. Quoting: Princess Jasmine 354013
Princess:
My heart goes out to you. I love your courage. If I were married to a doctor, I most likely would be a disappointment to him, as my beliefs are nonconventional as well. Have courage. Over two years ago after my father died unexpectedly, my digestion got so bad I was couldn't sleep with my husband at night. I had to walk constantly holding my stomach. I prayed to God constantly. Then, I developed a large lump in my breast that came up pretty fast. Within a couple of months it was the size of two almonds stuck together, attached to the muscle wall. I told God that if I were to go to the doctor right now and find out this was something serious, then they just might as well start digging a hole right now and push me in. I asked God to be my physician. He answered my prayer. I was led to several things. I felt over and over again to start juicing vegetables. I started off juice fasting. I ended up juice fasting for 41 days. I started on my own without any help from others...other than reading extensively. I always had a book in my hand for a year when I wasn't juicing, taking hot baths, working out, etc. During this time (in the beginning), I had further evidence that the lump was not good, because I put black salve on it (similar to the Indian herb). A great big growth came out of my neck like a volcano, and then it was gone, healed up. I knew then to keep praying and keep working at my natural healing. It has now been almost two years and the lump has almost totally gone away. I can barely feel it now. I just keep doing what I'm doing. Of course, who knows the true extent of the trouble I was in...only God, because I did not go in for testing. I know that now my skin has a wonderful color, many ask me what I have done different in my life, my weight is completely normal now, my skin is soft, and I no longer look like I'm at death's door, the strange tremor to my neck is gone, and my digestion is completely healed. I know in my heart that I was in big trouble. Somewhere in this last two years I ran across an organization called Hallelujah Acres, and it has filled out my program. They have hundreds of testimonials of healing...The main one is the man who started the organization, George Malkmus. He had colon cancer as well. He decided to go all raw and within one year, the baseball sized tumor under his left rib was completely gone. He now has hundreds of testimonials on his website. By the way, his mother died of colon cancer as well, but actually died of complications from chemotherapy. You can find the website and contact hacres.com. They have a staff that can support you emotionally (I didn't know about them in the beginning, but when I first started cleansing, I was a basket case...I wasn't alone, though. God supported me) free of charge. It is a wonderful program and it will help give you direction. If I were you I would stay on the MMS, order the Indian Herb (see Jaymie's post), get on a good diet (I prefer the Hallelujah acres one), and particularly since you have bowel problems, I would order the #1 and #2 bowel formula (Dr. Christopher's formula) from Healmarketplace.com. You will be a wonderful example to your husband and others of natural healing. God does not want you to be sick. If I can help you in any way, please do not hesitate to call me. My number is 660-838-6667. God bless. |
| Yolo
User ID: 348823
1/12/2008 10:04 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Yolo and Jasmine,
The web site for the Indian Herb is www.lifelinewater.com and the ingredient written on the vial are Zinc Chloride, Blood Root, Galangal, Yellow Dock, Licorice, Lifeline Water. I am not familier with these herbs.
At this time, we are going to have her do one more cancer marker blood test and will check the marker level and then decide to continue or go for chemo. If mms doe not help, I do not want to risk her life and live rest of my life with guilt.
I may be off and on over the internet during the weekend.
Thanks a lot for your inputs. Quoting: Jaymie1994 353417
Jaymie:
I certainly sympathize with you in your situation. I will remember your situation with you and you mother in my prayers, I hope you don't mind. The ingredients in the Indian Herb are really good. I don't know anything about Lifeline water, though. I have taken a similar formula for a couple of years. I swear by it. Wonderlabs has a formula that I take that has Sheep Sorrel, Red Clover, Bloodroot, Chapparal, Graviola, Galangal, and zinc Chloride in it (Triherba product). It is really good and it lasts a long time. It's 1.3 ounces. I put it in capsules and take it. The only thing I can say about natural healing, Jaymie, is that it takes time. The damage we do to our bodies takes a while to undo. But the body wants to heal, and given the proper tools, it will heal. If you've given it only a short amount of time, it may not be enough time, but no one could blame you for going ahead with chemo. I lady from our church had breast cancer and it had already migrated to her lymph nodes. She underwent chemotherapy. Later on she told me that she didn't want to do the chemo, but she was simply too afraid not to. This was not that long ago, so who really knows where she is at with that. But I told her that it was very understandable. And isn't that the case with everyone? I mean, who really wants to lose their hair and undergo the side effects? Everyone does it because they're just too afraid not to. Whatever you decide, undoubtedly it will be a decision made out of a heart of love. God bless. |
| Munda
User ID: 344261
1/12/2008 12:36 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Hey has anyone ordered from this site? [link to mmsmiracle.com] i order more then 3 weeks ago and yet to receive my mms. |
| Princess Jasmine
User ID: 354013
1/12/2008 9:04 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Princess:
My heart goes out to you. I love your courage. If I were married to a doctor, I most likely would be a disappointment to him, as my beliefs are nonconventional as well. Have courage. Over two years ago after my father died unexpectedly, my digestion got so bad I was couldn't sleep with my husband at night. I had to walk constantly holding my stomach. I prayed to God constantly. Then, I developed a large lump in my breast that came up pretty fast. Within a couple of months it was the size of two almonds stuck together, attached to the muscle wall. I told God that if I were to go to the doctor right now and find out this was something serious, then they just might as well start digging a hole right now and push me in. I asked God to be my physician. He answered my prayer. I was led to several things. I felt over and over again to start juicing vegetables. I started off juice fasting. I ended up juice fasting for 41 days. I started on my own without any help from others...other than reading extensively. I always had a book in my hand for a year when I wasn't juicing, taking hot baths, working out, etc. During this time (in the beginning), I had further evidence that the lump was not good, because I put black salve on it (similar to the Indian herb). A great big growth came out of my neck like a volcano, and then it was gone, healed up. I knew then to keep praying and keep working at my natural healing. It has now been almost two years and the lump has almost totally gone away. I can barely feel it now. I just keep doing what I'm doing. Of course, who knows the true extent of the trouble I was in...only God, because I did not go in for testing. I know that now my skin has a wonderful color, many ask me what I have done different in my life, my weight is completely normal now, my skin is soft, and I no longer look like I'm at death's door, the strange tremor to my neck is gone, and my digestion is completely healed. I know in my heart that I was in big trouble. Somewhere in this last two years I ran across an organization called Hallelujah Acres, and it has filled out my program. They have hundreds of testimonials of healing...The main one is the man who started the organization, George Malkmus. He had colon cancer as well. He decided to go all raw and within one year, the baseball sized tumor under his left rib was completely gone. He now has hundreds of testimonials on his website. By the way, his mother died of colon cancer as well, but actually died of complications from chemotherapy. You can find the website and contact hacres.com. They have a staff that can support you emotionally (I didn't know about them in the beginning, but when I first started cleansing, I was a basket case...I wasn't alone, though. God supported me) free of charge. It is a wonderful program and it will help give you direction. If I were you I would stay on the MMS, order the Indian Herb (see Jaymie's post), get on a good diet (I prefer the Hallelujah acres one), and particularly since you have bowel problems, I would order the #1 and #2 bowel formula (Dr. Christopher's formula) from Healmarketplace.com. You will be a wonderful example to your husband and others of natural healing. God does not want you to be sick. If I can help you in any way, please do not hesitate to call me. My number is 660-838-6667. God bless. Quoting: Yolo 348823
Thank you Yolo. Your story is such an inspiration. I am sure will continue with the mms and I should receive the indian herbs Monday. I am very interrested in the bowel formula, I will probably give it a try. I am also on the budwig diet but I am following it according to Bill Henderson protocol. I wanted to do a juice fasting but I need to put on some weight. I've lost a lot of weight during chemotherapy, since I wasn't overweight at all, I look like I am living in concentration camp now. |
| Yolo
User ID: 348823
1/12/2008 10:18 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Thank you Yolo. Your story is such an inspiration. I am sure will continue with the mms and I should receive the indian herbs Monday. I am very interrested in the bowel formula, I will probably give it a try. I am also on the budwig diet but I am following it according to Bill Henderson protocol. I wanted to do a juice fasting but I need to put on some weight. I've lost a lot of weight during chemotherapy, since I wasn't overweight at all, I look like I am living in concentration camp now. Quoting: Princess Jasmine 354013
Princess:
I can't say that I know anything about the Budwig diet personally, though I have read about it. Be of good courage and try to stay focused. Natural healing is not always easy, as it requires one to take care of a body that have already spent a lot of time ignoring!!! My prayers are with you. God bless. |
| Yolo
User ID: 348823
1/12/2008 10:30 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Thank you Yolo. Your story is such an inspiration. I am sure will continue with the mms and I should receive the indian herbs Monday. I am very interrested in the bowel formula, I will probably give it a try. I am also on the budwig diet but I am following it according to Bill Henderson protocol. I wanted to do a juice fasting but I need to put on some weight. I've lost a lot of weight during chemotherapy, since I wasn't overweight at all, I look like I am living in concentration camp now. Quoting: Princess Jasmine 354013
Princess Jasmine:
Forgive me, I forgot to mention one other thing. Before I took the bowel formula, my appetite was nonexistent. I couldn't eat anything that I didn't react to, and that included even herbs. After the bowel formula, my appetite was like a raging lion. I could eat anything and not react to it.
Juicing would FLOOD your body with needed nutrition. That is one of the biggest secrets to healing naturally. You can juice without fasting. Live enzymes is where it's at. You're doing very well with the MMS and also the Indian Herb. Keep up the good work. |
| RSTALLION
User ID: 354680
1/13/2008 1:57 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Just bought some of Jim Humbles mms off ebay!
Am thrilled. It came with a bottle of citric acid which was an added bonus because it is the best way to extract the chlorine dioxide from the sodium chlorite ingredient.
To you nay sayers- "this stuff is the real deal, whether you think chlorine dioxide is deadly or not, the dosage of mms taken on a regular basis will keep the body healthy by terminating any foreign disease pathogens.
MMS assists in the protection against or completely eradicates colds, flu's, cancers, heps, herps, aids, malaria, bird flu, ecoli poisoning, etc... I have read many testimonies, this stuff seems to be a miracle!
Stock up on the mms, you'll never know when you'll need it next.
Ebay it: under ebay search>type> miracle mineral supplement |
| Nursing4life
User ID: 354716
1/13/2008 5:02 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Just an update (and long overdue at that)! Came across this blog while researching citric acid as an alternative treatment for a patient with urethral cancer. He has been diagnosed with brain metastasis since using this to help cure his cancer, so no benefit there. Also, noted that a post on 12/25 stated mercury from vaccines causes autism. Mercury hasn't been used as a preservative in vaccines in decades. Get your facts straight at least. |
| Arrow
User ID: 353126
1/13/2008 8:07 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Nursing4Life,
Not to get off topic here but here goes:
I think that you are the one who needs to get your facts straight. Mercury was not abandoned DECADES ago, it has been gradually eliminated in vaccines over the last 10 years. It was still in all the vaccines in '96, I'm positive of that. The flu vaccine still contains thimerisol as well at the TB test.
It has always been my opinion that the mercury is not the causative agent for autism although I'm sure its not good for the body. I suspect that the autism and even seizure disorders caused by vaccines is from the overwhelming assault of chemicals and foreign disease like proteins on an undeveloped immune system. I think that Dr Wakefield is right. And I think that vaccines should be given one at a time over years instead of just whamming a little kid's immune sytem into oblivion, that is, if you really believe that you need vaccines at all.
[link to www.newstarget.com]
This is not to rule out other possible causative agents. Autism is not a specific disease it is a pattern of symptoms. There is no biological diagnosis for it. It is a behavioral picture. Any number of toxins could cause it. Wakefield has found an abundance of measles antigen in the gut of Autistic kids upon autopsy that is not found in normal kids, and this is why the the pharmaceutical lobby backed British Government fired him.
Educational Entertainment: [link to www.mercola.com]
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| Arrow
User ID: 353126
1/13/2008 8:12 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Nuring4LIfe: And what are you saying about using citric acid for cancer treatment?
Nobody is using citric acid to treat anything here. Citric acid is used to create a chemical reaction to create chlorine dioxide. No one is expecting citric acid to do anything but cause chlorine dioxide to form through a chemical reaction.
So no. No one here is using citric acid to treat cancer on this forum. |
| mem833
User ID: 354849
1/13/2008 1:25 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
I have been taking MSM for several months. I cannot seem to get past 5 or 6 drops.
I am having a lot of different physical symtoms that were not there when I stated. Any ideas. Does anyone take charcoal tablets for the die-off. I haved disk problems (ruptured) pain all over my body.
ME |
| Healer
User ID: 354865
1/13/2008 2:01 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Mem833
I have been taking MMS for several months myself. The only reason for taking it is for prevention. I have always been extremely healthy due to a healthy life style.
It had been years since I had a cold. Since taking mms I had one that lasted 14 days and now I have another one. I can't get past 5 drops either. Maybe there is a schedule that works on healthy people, like 3 days a week. I beleive it's done me alot of good but can't figure out why it doesn't prevent or fix colds. Hopefully it's deep detoxifying.. ????? I am puzzled ************** |
| Mem833
User ID: 354849
1/13/2008 2:20 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
I am not healthy...I have several health issues. I don't understand all the inflammation going on in my body. I did not have this before. I have addison's and hashimoto thyhroiditis, depression, anxity disorder. Lot's of stuff. But now this inflammation and rupured disk is taking me out of work. This all a little before Christmas. I think I had been taking it for a couple of months. I took some charchoal tabs today to see if this is die-off. But it has been going on for a month and now they want to do a disk decompression on my back but I feel like I should wait. My understand is that charcoal graps the toxins to get them out of you. So I took some charcaol tab about an hour ago. A natual doctor had me do this when I started some strong probiotics and got so sick. He said it wold help with the die-off. But good heavens...how long does die -off last.
Does anyone have suggestions that might of experience this.
ME |
| Chill
User ID: 354894
1/13/2008 2:57 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
The alternative medicine industry is NO different from big pharma. They CLAIM a lot of stuff which is than proven to be worthless or even doing damage. There is a simple reason for that. They both make the SAME mistake. Namely, investigating a whole plant, then subtracting some ingredients putting them in a pill with all strange substances to make the pill stick together, dissolve quickly in water etc... You catch my drift.
The secret I believe is in the wholeness of the plants. In the perfect combinations of ALL ingredients that are FULLY absorbed by our bodies and used and put to work where it is necessary according to some divine plan. This divine plan cannot reside in a pill.
Its been proven that only 20% of the supplements we take are absorbed by the body. The rest is flushed out like shit (pun intended)
Science is making assumptions then looking for "proof" to fit the assumptions.
Alternative science is no different and can be and IS equally wrong as mainstream science.
Here is a good example;
[link to www.newscientist.com]
The antioxidant myth: a medical fairy tale
* 05 August 2006
* NewScientist.com news service
* Lisa Melton
Cranberry capsules. Green tea extract. Effervescent vitamin C. Pomegranate concentrate. Beta carotene. Selenium. Grape seed extract. High-dose vitamin E. Pine bark extract. Bee spit.
You name it, if it's an antioxidant, we'll swallow it by the bucket-load. According to some estimates around half the adults in the US take antioxidant pills daily in the belief they promote good health and stave off disease. We have become antioxidant devotees. But are they doing us any good? Evidence gathered over the past few years shows that at best, antioxidant supplements do little or nothing to benefit our health. At worst, they may even have the opposite effect, promoting the very problems they are supposed to stamp out.
It's little surprise that antioxidants have acquired a reputation as miracle health supplements. As long ago as the 1950s, scientists discovered that many diseases - including heart disease, strokes, cancer, diabetes, cataracts, arthritis and neurodegenerative disorders such as Parkinson's and Alzheimer's - were linked to damage caused by highly destructive chemicals called free radicals.
Free radicals are compounds with unpaired electrons that stabilise themselves by oxidising other molecules - including proteins, carbohydrates, lipids and DNA. In the process they often create more free radicals, sparking off a chain of destruction. Oxidative damage accompanies most, if not all, diseases and has even been proposed as a direct cause of some including lung cancer, atherosclerosis and Alzheimer's.
Free radicals are an unavoidable hazard of being alive. We live in an oxygen-rich atmosphere, and radicals, particularly reactive oxygen species (ROS), are natural by-products of respiration. "One per cent of the oxygen we consume turns into ROS," says biochemist Barry Halliwell from the National University of Singapore. "It doesn't sound like much but humans are big animals and we breathe a lot. Over a year a human body makes 1.7 kilograms of ROS." Exposure to X-rays, ozone, tobacco smoke, air pollutants, microbial infections, industrial chemicals and intensive exercise also trigger free radical production.
In the 1980s, however, a potential weapon against free radical damage appeared on the horizon. Scientists had known for a long time that people whose diets are rich in fruits and vegetables have a lower incidence of heart disease, diabetes, dementia, stroke and certain types of cancer - the very diseases that are associated with free radical damage. Now there was an explanation. Fruits and vegetables are a rich source of antioxidants that can neutralise free radicals by donating electrons to them.
Green plants are full of antioxidants for good reason. They are especially vulnerable to oxidative stress since they produce pure oxygen during photosynthesis. To protect themselves they manufacture an assortment of potent antioxidants.
And so a hypothesis was born: dietary antioxidants are free-radical sponges that can stave off the diseases of old age. It was a great idea. "Putting two and two together, scientists assumed that these antioxidants were protective, and that taking them as supplements or in fortified foods should decrease oxidative damage and diminish disease," says Halliwell, who pioneered research into free radicals and disease. "It was simple: we said free radicals are bad, antioxidants are good."
The concept helped spawn a colossal supplements industry. According to the US National Institutes of Health (NIH), more than half of US adults take some form of vitamin or mineral supplement at a total cost of $23 billion a year. The bewildering range of supplements on the shelves makes it hard to say how much of this expenditure goes on antioxidants, but the NIH says it is probably a "large proportion". And their popularity just keeps on growing. SPINS, a market research firm based in San Francisco, estimates that the antioxidant market has grown by 18 per cent in the past year alone.
The best known antioxidants are vitamin E (also known by its chemical name tocopherol), vitamin C, and two broad classes of plant chemicals called polyphenols (including flavonoids) and carotenoids (including beta carotene and lycopene). Most supplements touted as antioxidants contain at least one of these, often as a pure chemical and sometimes as a concentrated plant extract.
Since the early 1990s scientists have been putting these compounds through their paces, using double-blind randomised controlled trials - the gold standard for medical intervention studies. Time and again, however, the supplements failed to pass the test. True, they knock the wind out of free radicals in a test tube. But once inside the human body, they seem strangely powerless. Not only are they bad at preventing oxidative damage, they can even make things worse. Many scientists are now concluding that, at best, they are a waste of time and money. At worst they could be harmful.
The first antioxidant to produce disappointing results was beta carotene. Once a star among supplements, beta carotene pills were recommended to smokers to protect them against lung cancer. This was largely based on the observation, made in the 1970s, that people who ate a lot of carrots - which contain large quantities of beta carotene - had some protection against cancer.
In 1992 researchers at the US National Cancer Institute set about testing beta carotene. They recruited more than 18,000 people at high risk of developing lung cancer, either because they smoked or had been exposed to asbestos, and gave around half of them beta carotene supplements. The trial was supposed to run for six years, but the researchers pulled the plug two-thirds of the way through after discovering, to their surprise and horror, that those taking supplements were faring worse than the controls. Their lung cancer rate was 28 per cent higher, and the overall death rate was up 17 per cent. "It was a shock. It not only did no good but had the potential to do harm," Halliwell says.
The researchers couldn't be sure that these increases were not caused by chance, and beta carotene capsules are still widely sold as an antioxidant. Further trials, though, have strengthened the evidence that beta carotene supplements not only fail to protect people against cancer but can also increase the risk of lung cancer in smokers. In May of this year an expert panel convened by the NIH concluded that there was no evidence to recommend beta carotene supplements for the general population, and strong evidence to recommend that smokers avoid it.
It's a similar story with the world's most popular antioxidant. Vitamin E shot to fame in the early 1990s, after two large studies involving more than 127,000 people in total found that those with a diet high in vitamin E were significantly less likely to develop cardiovascular disease. The first study followed 87,245 female nurses for eight years; it found that the top 20 per cent with respect to vitamin E consumption had a 41 per cent lower incidence of cardiovascular disease than the bottom 20 per cent (New England Journal of Medicine, vol 328, p 1444). The second study, involving 39,910 male health professionals, found a similar reduction in heart disease risk (New England Journal of Medicine, vol 328, p 1450).
The researchers, based at Harvard Medical School and Harvard School of Public Health, even had a plausible mechanism. Evidence was emerging that one of the causes of heart disease was free radical damage to LDLs, tiny packages of lipid and protein that circulate in the bloodstream, delivering fatty acids to cells. It turned out that adding vitamin E to blood samples in the test tube made LDL more resistant to oxidation. Perhaps this was how vitamin E prevented heart disease. "At the biochemical level, the rationale sounded so good - at that time," says Roland Stocker, a biochemist at the University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia.
Use of vitamin E supplements soared. In 1990, almost nobody took vitamin E; by the end of the decade an estimated 23 million US citizens were knocking back daily doses.
On the back of these positive results, other researchers set up large studies using vitamin E supplements. The results, however, have been almost universally disappointing. Only one experiment - the Cambridge heart antioxidant study (CHAOS) - found a positive effect, a 77 per cent reduced risk of heart attack. Several others found no protective effect and one even concluded that vitamin E increased the risk of heart failure.
Time for a rethink?
Other trials designed to test whether vitamin E supplements could prevent cancers, such as the ATBC study in Finland, also came in negative. Vitamin E also did not halt the progression to Alzheimer's disease in people with mild cognitive impairment.
What is more, when scientists went looking for evidence that vitamin E protected LDL against oxidation in the body, not just in the test tube, they found none - except in people with vitamin E deficiency (Journal of the American Medical Association, vol 285, p 1178). In fact, despite good evidence that vitamin E is a powerful antioxidant in the test tube, there is now serious doubt that it acts the same way in the body. "Vitamin E is not an antioxidant. In fact it must be protected against oxidation," says Angelo Azzi, a biochemist at Tufts University in Boston, Massachusetts. He points out that vitamin E exists in eight different forms in nature, all of which function as antioxidants in the test tube. Yet the body only uses one form, alpha tocopherol, which is pulled out of the bloodstream by a highly specialised protein in the liver. All the other forms are excreted. Azzi argues that evolution is unlikely to have gone to such great lengths simply to obtain an antioxidant from the diet. "There are millions of antioxidants," he says.
Vitamin E is clearly doing something in the body - it is an essential part of the diet and deficiency leads to neurological problems - but whatever it's doing, it's not an antioxidant.
There is even some evidence that vitamin E supplements can be harmful. Last year, a team led by Edgar Miller of the Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions in Baltimore made headline news when they amalgamated the results of 19 separate trials and concluded that high doses of vitamin E increase overall mortality (Annals of Internal Medicine, vol 142, p 37) - though this conclusion remains controversial. "It's flawed," asserts Azzi. "We re-analysed the data and there is no change in mortality." "Most people agree that there is no good evidence that large doses are harmful," adds Stocker.
Vitamin C is another disappointment. "People are still trying to defend it, but you don't get an effect on free radical damage unless you start with people with a vitamin C deficiency," says Halliwell. "I think it is a lost cause." In fact, results from a vast US trial probing the links between diet and health, called the Women's Health Study, suggest that vitamin C supplements may accelerate atherosclerosis in some people with diabetes.
One class of antioxidants that remains relatively unresearched is polyphenols. What little evidence there is comes from epidemiological studies, some of which suggest that polyphenols prevent disease and others of which do not. While polyphenols act as antioxidants in the test tube, it is not clear that they are absorbed into the bloodstream, and if they are, they are swiftly metabolised. For example, 95 per cent of a flavonoid called resveratrol - the one found in red wine - is destroyed by our digestive system before it enters circulation.
“Just because a food with a certain compound in it is beneficial to health, it does not mean a pill with the same compound in is”
The conclusion is becoming clear: whatever is behind the health benefits of a diet rich in fruits and vegetables, you cannot reproduce it by taking purified extracts or vitamin supplements. "Just because a food with a certain compound in it is beneficial, it does not mean a nutraceutical [with the same compound in] is," said Paul Coates, who works in the Office of Dietary Supplements at NIH.
Yet the fact remains that people eating diets abundant in vitamin C, vitamin E, polyphenols and carotenoids are less likely to suffer heart attacks, vascular disease, diabetes and cancer. One explanation is that these people have a generally healthier lifestyle - they exercise more and smoke less, for example. For now, no one knows for sure.
Tough vegetables
There are some ideas. Halliwell still believes that antioxidants are at least partly responsible. He argues that because the polyphenols, carotenoids and vitamins in fruit and vegetables are bound into tough, fibrous material, they hang around in the stomach and colon, where they can neutralise free radicals. The gastrointestinal tract, especially the stomach with its highly acidic environment, is constantly generating reactive oxygen species from food. Supplements may not replicate this effect because they are digested too quickly.
Andrew Shao from the Council for Responsible Nutrition, a supplement industry trade association based in Washington DC, argues along similar lines. He says that pulling a nutrient out of context and testing it in a clinical trial is not appropriate. "Antioxidants should not be expected to perform as drugs," he insists. "That's simply not how nutrients work. They work in concert with each other."
There's yet another, more intriguing explanation. Among the leading sources of dietary antioxidants are tea and coffee, and there is some evidence that green tea in particular is linked with health benefits including reduced risk of cancer and cardiovascular disease. Oddly, though, Halliwell has discovered that tea and coffee are also bursting with reactive oxygen species in the form of hydrogen peroxide.
"Every time you drink a cup of coffee it's a dilute bowl of hydrogen peroxide," says Halliwell. The hydrogen peroxide is there because of the presence of the antioxidants - "antioxidants" is really just another way of saying reducing agent, which can react with oxygen in the water to produce hydrogen peroxide. Think platinum blond, and you get the picture of what you might be drinking.
But if free radicals are bad for us, how come coffee and tea might be beneficial? One possibility is that they can help nudge our own internal antioxidant systems into action. "There has been a considerable rethink as to what free radicals are doing," says Malcolm Jackson, a biochemist at the University of Liverpool, UK. He believes that in the right quantities radicals can be positively health-enhancing, prompting our cells to fire up their own internal defence machinery: a battery of radical-busting enzymes such as catalase and superoxide dismutase. "Cells are very good at protecting themselves against minor stresses, as long as they are not excessive," says Jackson. "The question is: should we be quenching free radicals at all?"
If it turns out that antioxidants in food work because they generate health-promoting quantities of free radicals, that would be an ironic turnaround. It may also explain why supplements and extracts don't seem to work or may even be dangerous: the doses are too high, and produce too many free radicals.
For now, the advice is simple. "Stick to flavonoid-rich foods, red wine in moderation, tea, fruits and vegetables," says Halliwell. "Don't start taking high-dose supplements or heavily fortified foods, until we know more."
From issue 2563 of New Scientist magazine, 05 August 2006, page 40-43
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Look at the chemistry of our body. We are alive because of an oxidative process. We breathe oxygen that makes our motor run. Now when we start taking large quantities of anti-oxidants its like we are taking away our own air. Does that sound logic? The spot where a tumor is growing in a body is an area depleted of oxygen. Taking anti oxidants will deplete the body even more of oxygen. Again does that sound logic?
When we take some compounds out of a plant breaking the perfect balance of substances of this plant, how do we know we still get all the benefits? My feeling tells me this doesnt work.
The sum of the parts is bigger than the parts
Plant or parts of a plant (or the flower or root or seed) should be used in their totality. Thats why I am CONVINCED that with a healthy diet we do not need any supplements.
It IS the easiest and cheapest and most secure solution.
This is my biological point of view
MMS however is a chemical, the Natrium in the NaClO2 once inside our body immediately dissolves and binds to salt (NaCl) Leaving the ClO2 ion free in our body. ClO2 is THE substance that our own immune system generates to fight diseases. ClO2 OXIDATES poisons in our body in a perfectly natural way to our bodies (whenever it can reach the affected area off course)
There are other chemicals that do the same like colloidal silver. I really believe they work because they provide the immune system with ammunition in its most pure and for our body recognizable and usable form. Aloe vera will do the same in a weaker form, but only if you take the whole plant, not some isolated substances of the plant that then become like a chemical (which it was never meant to be)
We humans have a tendency to complicate stuff. We are so arrogant as to believe we can do better than nature. This is sooo laughable.
The biggest problems have the simplest solutions and they are right in front of us. We only need eyes to see, this means becoming aware and coming to our senses.
Like Buddha says;
“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”
I am no buddha fan but this does make sense to me.
Anti oxidant means it has electrons to spare. Free radical means it can absorb electrons (oxidation). ClO2 can be considered a free radical since its a strong oxidating element. When ClO2 meets diseased cells or poisons or other substances with a certain PH grade it will neutralize these substances by taking electrons from them. The ClO2 is then neutralized as well and salt and water are left. So the ClO2 your immune system generates to fight disease will be neutralized by the anti oxidants it meets.
It doesnt make sense to me.
Remember Jim Humble says not to take anti oxidants with MMS because they will neutralize each other. Now imagine not taking any MMS but only the anti oxidants. They will then be neutralizing the ClO2 your own body generates to fight disease.
Use google to find people who cured themselves of stuff.
You will see that the general dominator in all these cures is diet.
PLants, veggies, fruit, fish, Herbs, (chinese herbal medicine has a 80% success rate, our conventional medicine 20%) Than there is detoxing the body, giving up bad habits, cleaning liver and intestines. I believe this is the basis for our health. Following this we dont need supplements or even MMS. Our body was made to function on earth without pills invented by mad greedy scientists.
Please remember what buddha said and generate you own conclusions, these are just mine ;-) |
| BelgianBoy
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1/13/2008 3:07 PM
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Well detoxing is what MMS is about, the rest is up to your body i.e. YOU.
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| Anonymous Coward
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1/13/2008 3:42 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Chill;
Thanks for the lengthy response. It contains alot to ponder and makes sense.
However, it does provide a whole new prospective regarding the healhty life style myths that have been standard procedure for the past 20 years.
On the other hand it answers many questions (especially my questionable reaction to MMS).
Thank you very much for the information, it will be thoroughly evaluated! |
| Arrow
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1/13/2008 5:56 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Remember Jim Humble says not to take anti oxidants with MMS because they will neutralize each other. Now imagine not taking any MMS but only the anti oxidants. They will then be neutralizing the ClO2 your own body generates to fight disease. Quoting: Chill 354894
I have suggested before that the purpose of oxidants really needs to be rethought and I see that you are working on that.
The quote above really threw me. Where did you get the idea that one's body generates its own ClO2 to fight disease?
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1/13/2008 6:05 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Mem833
Since you continue to have health problems after taking MMS for quite a while perhaps your health issues are not in the realm of microbes?
I would not expect MMS to do much more than deal with microbe issues. It will not correct a genetic problem, a structural problem, a nutritional deficiency, and electro-chemical dysfunction, injury problems, a neurotransmitter issue.
Nutrition and rebuilding may be more of an issue for you. Perhaps enzymes or specific herbs for inflammation. |
| Anonymous Coward
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1/13/2008 8:32 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Remember Jim Humble says not to take anti oxidants with MMS because they will neutralize each other. Now imagine not taking any MMS but only the anti oxidants. They will then be neutralizing the ClO2 your own body generates to fight disease.
I have suggested before that the purpose of oxidants really needs to be rethought and I see that you are working on that.
The quote above really threw me. Where did you get the idea that one's body generates its own ClO2 to fight disease?
Quoting: Arrow
H2O2 IS THE HEART OF THE IMMUNE SYSTEM
by WAVES FOREST
Mother's milk contains a high amount of H2O2, especially colostrum, the first milk secreted after birth, which activates the newborns immune systems, and key to many other metabolic processes.
Under conditions of optimum health, H2O2 is produced by the body's immune system in whatever amounts are needed to quickly destroy any invading hostile organisms. It is made by combining water in the body with the free oxygen that is supposed to be available. When the body is oxygen-starved, it can't produce enough H2O2 to wipe out invading pathogens, which can then get the upper hand and cause visible disease.
[link to www.stopcancer.com]
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The following are important factors that help destroy microorganisms within a phagolysosome:
* Oxygen Radicals. A complex of proteins called NADPH oxidase in the membrane of a phagolysosome generates oxygen radicals in the phagosome. These highly reactive molecules react with proteins, lipids and other biological molecules.
[link to courses.washington.edu]
Human granulocytes (polymorphonuclear leukocytes, PMN) produce H2O2 and other reactive oxygen species while undergoing phagocytosis. These "other reactive oxygen species" include small amounts of chlorine dioxide and ozone. I used this example to point out that chlorine dioxide is not a stranger to our body.
Our body generates loads of different free radicals
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FREE RADICALS: ENEMIES OR ALLIES?
Over the last 30 years, over 6,000 scientific studies have revealed that free radical activity represents a major cause of all degenerative diseases. These same studies also indicate, quite clearly, that there is an effective way to control and in most cases eliminate free radical damage. Unfortunately, free radical science is totally misunderstood by the general public and misinformation on this subject is often provided by both the media and by manufacturers of nutrients and supplements designed to solve the free radical dilemma. What is the truth? What is a free radical? How are they created? Are all free radicals harmful to the body? Is there an effective way to deactivate free radicals? Is oxygen the real villain in free radical production? The simplest definition of a free radical was written by Dr. Kurt Donsbach in his book Oxygen-Oxygen-Oxygen: "It is an element or compound which has an unpaired or unmatched electron. This lack of balance causes the substance to have a very reactive character. However, it must be noted that these free radicals are very short-lived, usually in the one ten-thousandth of a second range. But during this short time, these free radicals can cause damage by joining with other body chemicals and changing their character, sometimes even producing a chain reaction by creating new free radicals that carry on." (4)
Dr. Peter Rothschild, in his work Free Radicals, Stress and Antioxidant Enzymes wrote: "Due to their over-reactive nature, free radicals can be extremely toxic and are a direct consequence of the primary stress factors that adversely affect the immune system and threaten our health. However, this is not to imply that free radicals are always harmful or dangerous. Minute amounts of free radicals are essential for many important functions of the immune system and other vital cellular activities. For example, the immune system will actually generate free radicals to use in the process of removing a virus or bacteria. Only when high concentrations of free radicals are present, or when the levels of free radicals overwhelm the body's ability to remove them, does a threat to our health occur. Maintaining the balance between free radical activity and antioxidant enzyme supply is one of the important functions of the body." (5)
Free radicals are missing electrons, and in this quantum atomic state, they will do whatever they can in stealing an electron from another source. Around every atom orbit electrons in what are called shells. These shells (or sub-orbits) vary in distance from the center of the atom's nucleus. Each sub-orbit can accommodate two electrons, each "spinning" or generating what quantum physicists call "wave forms" or "wave packets" in a different directions. If one of these electron's is missing in the outer orbit it will seek out its matching electron. It will not stop looking for this match until it finds one. Such an unstable and reactive atom is called a free radical. Free radicals can be of various sizes, from single atoms to more complex molecules. They can be one, two, three and four atom molecules based on oxygen, or formed from more complex atoms. They can be beneficial and they can be destructive. But best of all, they can be controlled by molecules produced in the body, like the enzymes superoxide dimutase (SOD) and gluthathione peroxidase, and naturally occurring vitamins and nutrients we can daily obtain like E, C, beta-carotine and bioflavonoids.
Maharishi Ayur-Ved wrote in his book Freedom from Disease: How to Control Free Radicals: "They are an inescapable feature of all oxygen based life. As part of the life-giving processes that create energy in every cell, free radicals are created as toxic waste. When the immune system sends special forces to fight infection, free radicals as used as a weapon...If the body takes in pesticides, industrial chemicals, processed foods, cigarette smoke, or alcohol, free radicals are the most common result. And when the mind and body come under stress, free radicals are mass produced."
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Using a Luminometer, we also confirmed that both allopurinol and oxypurinol can scavenge ClO2, HOCl, and significantly inhibit free radical signals generated by activated neutrophils.
[link to www.freeradicalscience.com]
Activated cells of the immune system naturally produce strong oxidants as part of the inflammatory process at sites of infection or cancer to rid the body of these diseases. Examples are: superoxide (*OO-), hydrogen peroxide (H2O2), hydroxyl radical (HO*), singlet oxygen (O=O) and ozone (O3). [9a-9v] Another is peroxynitrate (-OONO) the coupled product of superoxide (*OO-) and nitric oxide (*NO) radicals. [10a-10h] Yet another is hypochlorous acid (HOCl) the conjugate acid of sodium hypochlorite (NaClO). [11a,11b,11c] The immune system uses these oxidants to attack various parasites. [12a,12b,12c]
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| Anonymous Coward
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1/13/2008 8:37 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Anti oxidants do not only neutralize clo2 but all "free radicals" also h2o2. |
| mem833
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1/14/2008 6:34 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Has anyone used MMS directly on a herpes breakout. Ia wondering if this will clear up by putting in directly on th beakout. Any idea, I am in a lot of pain |
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1/14/2008 11:57 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Bump |
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1/14/2008 11:57 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
er is peroxynitrate (-OONO) the coupled product of superoxide (*OO-) and nitric oxide (*NO) radicals. [10a-10h] Yet another is hypochlorous acid (HOCl) the conjugate acid of sodium hypochlorite (NaClO). [11a,11b,11c] The immune system uses these oxidants to attack various parasites. [12a,12b,12c]
[ link to bioredox.mysite.com]
I read your article but still is see nothing that indicates that chlorine dioxide is produced by the body. Hypochlorous acid is not chlorine dioxide. So please be more specific. It is my understanding that Cl02 is a foreign substance to the body. The theory is that ClO2 will promote hypochlorous acid by providing availble raw materials. |
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1/14/2008 12:01 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Mem833
I have been under a lot of stress this past few weeks and started to get a herpes breakout on my nose which I had not had for many years. It actually felt like I was heading for a large blister. I applied MMS activated about 3 times and it never turned into the mess that it has in the past. Although I think it was there for about a week it never hurt, itched, turned red or opened up to scab over. It just faded away. But it still took about a week |
| Anonymous Coward
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1/14/2008 12:54 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
I am on my fith day of using MMS and here is what I am experiencing so far. Any input anyone has to give would be appreciated.
- I started with 2 drops and stuck with that for my next dose. After that I started going up by one drop each time I take it (twice a day)
- For about the first hour after I take it I feel like like I have a slight buzzing in my head. Also if I do anything like run up the stairs...or lift anything (anything that causes your heart rate to go up) I notice that I get winded a little faster.
- I know I am detoxing because I am a smoker and a heavy coffee drinker and when i wake up in the morning I can feel the lack of caffiene and nictotien in my body.
-However I have not experienced any diarrhea, in fact I did not go at all until the third day of being on this stuff and I consumed quite a bit of fiber to make this happen. But since then I am pretty regular.
-Morning breath is almost non-existant. |
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User ID: 353126
1/14/2008 4:01 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
- For about the first hour after I take it I feel like like I have a slight buzzing in my head. Also if I do anything like run up the stairs...or lift anything (anything that causes your heart rate to go up) I notice that I get winded a little faster. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 123518
I had these symptoms |
| BelgianBoy
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1/16/2008 3:04 PM
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I am on my fith day of using MMS and here is what I am experiencing so far. Any input anyone has to give would be appreciated.
- I started with 2 drops and stuck with that for my next dose. After that I started going up by one drop each time I take it (twice a day)
- For about the first hour after I take it I feel like like I have a slight buzzing in my head. Also if I do anything like run up the stairs...or lift anything (anything that causes your heart rate to go up) I notice that I get winded a little faster.
- I know I am detoxing because I am a smoker and a heavy coffee drinker and when i wake up in the morning I can feel the lack of caffiene and nictotien in my body.
-However I have not experienced any diarrhea, in fact I did not go at all until the third day of being on this stuff and I consumed quite a bit of fiber to make this happen. But since then I am pretty regular.
-Morning breath is almost non-existant. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 123518
Funny, I am in the same league as you (coffee, smoke) and had the same probs you mention in paragraph 5.
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| Anonymous Coward
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1/18/2008 10:56 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
I am on my fith day of using MMS and here is what I am experiencing so far. Any input anyone has to give would be appreciated.
- I started with 2 drops and stuck with that for my next dose. After that I started going up by one drop each time I take it (twice a day)
- For about the first hour after I take it I feel like like I have a slight buzzing in my head. Also if I do anything like run up the stairs...or lift anything (anything that causes your heart rate to go up) I notice that I get winded a little faster.
- I know I am detoxing because I am a smoker and a heavy coffee drinker and when i wake up in the morning I can feel the lack of caffiene and nictotien in my body.
-However I have not experienced any diarrhea, in fact I did not go at all until the third day of being on this stuff and I consumed quite a bit of fiber to make this happen. But since then I am pretty regular.
-Morning breath is almost non-existant.
Funny, I am in the same league as you (coffee, smoke) and had the same probs you mention in paragraph 5. Quoting: BelgianBoy
Wierd huh? I will say though that I feel great. I have a 15 month old daughter who has a bad cold and has been sleeping very poorly..which means I have been sleeping very poorly. Not only do I not have the cold, but based on my energy and alertness you wouyld never guess that I am pretty sleep deprived! |
| Anonymous Coward
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1/19/2008 3:18 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
bump |
| Anonymous Coward
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1/20/2008 5:47 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
I have put it directly on it too. The first time I did not activate the second time I did. Maybe I should try another time activating it. The book says it does take it away by doing it interanally but it might take 2 weeks or longer. MIne did scape over. I wonder if I could put it on topically again.
Thanks
ME
Mem833
I have been under a lot of stress this past few weeks and started to get a herpes breakout on my nose which I had not had for many years. It actually felt like I was heading for a large blister. I applied MMS activated about 3 times and it never turned into the mess that it has in the past. Although I think it was there for about a week it never hurt, itched, turned red or opened up to scab over. It just faded away. But it still took about a week Quoting: Arrow |
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