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Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 339051
3/18/2008 11:18 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
DM you are a registered user, for the best in health related links please find the email for GREY LENSMAN. That will be your best source.  |
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corpus
User ID: 395494
3/19/2008 9:43 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
My understanding is that this is the same grade of sodium chlorite that has been used in public drinking water for a decades. I feel safe. However, here are some references:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Sodium chlorite, NaClO2 also finds application as a component in therapeutic rinses, mouthwashes, toothpastes and gels, mouth sprays, chewing gums and lozenges, and also in contact lens cleaning solution under the trade name purite. Under the brand name Oxine it is used for sanitizing air ducts and HVAC/R systems and animal containment areas (walls, floors, and other surfaces).
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It would seem that the "impurities" in crystal sodium chlorite would primarily include table salt and other chlorine compounds used in its manufacture:
[link to www.inchem.org]
Read up on the chlorine dioxide made from activated MMS:
[link to en.wikipedia.org] |
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Arrow
User ID: 367405
3/19/2008 5:03 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
If I remember correctly Jim Humble says that 80% grade is required to make mms. Anyone know for sure? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 395845
3/19/2008 7:53 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
If I remember correctly Jim Humble says that 80% grade is required to make mms. Anyone know for sure? Quoting: Arrow
Thank you all for the data.
I sent out a bunch of emails yesterday to different sources of MMS, and also to Humble's website, asking the same questions. The only reply that I've received thus far was from one of Mr. Humble's people. He was very helpful. This is what he wrote:
On 19-Mar-08, at 12:32 AM, MMS Miracle wrote:
Hi Danny,
Thanks for the email.
I recommend you read Mr Humble's book if you haven't already but in it, Thomas Lee Hesselink, MD writes:
"The procedure as used by Mr. Humble follows: A 28% stock solution of 80% (technical grade) sodium chlorite (NaClO2) is prepared. The remaining 20% is a mixture of the usual excipients necessary in the manufacture and stabilization of sodium chlorite powder or flake. Such are mostly sodium chloride (NaCl) ~19%, sodium hydroxide (NaOH) <1%, and sodium chlorate (NaClO3) <1%... The vinegar (5% acetic acid) or lime juice (6 to 9% citric acid) neutralizes the sodium hydroxide and at the same time converts a small portion of the chlorite (ClO2-) to its conjugate acid known as chlorous acid (HClO2). Under such conditions some of the chlorous acid will oxidize other chlorite anions and gradually produce chlorine dioxide (ClO2). Chlorine dioxide appears in solution as a yellow tint which smells exactly like chlorine."
Mr Humble's book is available at MiracleMineral.org.
Blessings,
Daniel
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MMS Miracle
Cheers everyone, and have a great evening! |
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DMSomega
User ID: 395845
3/19/2008 8:02 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
If I remember correctly Jim Humble says that 80% grade is required to make mms. Anyone know for sure?
Thank you all for the data.
I sent out a bunch of emails yesterday to different sources of MMS, and also to Humble's website, asking the same questions. The only reply that I've received thus far was from one of Mr. Humble's people. He was very helpful. This is what he wrote:
On 19-Mar-08, at 12:32 AM, MMS Miracle wrote:
Hi Danny,
Thanks for the email.
I recommend you read Mr Humble's book if you haven't already but in it, Thomas Lee Hesselink, MD writes:
"The procedure as used by Mr. Humble follows: A 28% stock solution of 80% (technical grade) sodium chlorite (NaClO2) is prepared. The remaining 20% is a mixture of the usual excipients necessary in the manufacture and stabilization of sodium chlorite powder or flake. Such are mostly sodium chloride (NaCl) ~19%, sodium hydroxide (NaOH) <1%, and sodium chlorate (NaClO3) <1%... The vinegar (5% acetic acid) or lime juice (6 to 9% citric acid) neutralizes the sodium hydroxide and at the same time converts a small portion of the chlorite (ClO2-) to its conjugate acid known as chlorous acid (HClO2). Under such conditions some of the chlorous acid will oxidize other chlorite anions and gradually produce chlorine dioxide (ClO2). Chlorine dioxide appears in solution as a yellow tint which smells exactly like chlorine."
Mr Humble's book is available at MiracleMineral.org.
Blessings,
Daniel
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MMS Miracle
Cheers everyone, and have a great evening! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 395845
Sorry, folks.
I really am new around here! I just noticed that I hadn't logged on before posting this message above, so I just don't want to be known as an anonymous coward!
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Anonymous Coward
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3/19/2008 11:47 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
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3/21/2008 1:59 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 397610
3/22/2008 12:58 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
It works, thus it must be eliminated. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 398618
3/24/2008 3:05 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
A lot to read but it sounds too good to be true. There must be side effects or draw backs. How long do you need to take it. If you have slight symptoms, how do you know that you are cured.
A lot of questions but minor be way of the results reported so far.
Pondering |
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Corpus
User ID: 398737
3/24/2008 10:32 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
A lot to read but it sounds too good to be true. There must be side effects or draw backs. How long do you need to take it. If you have slight symptoms, how do you know that you are cured.
A lot of questions but minor be way of the results reported so far.
Pondering Quoting: Anonymous Coward 398618
Yes, it does seem too good to be true, which caused me to do much due diligence because skepticism is healthy. I took much research on my own part before I would even consider buying and trying MMS. I will try to give you some links I found that could help you save some time.
First I had to prove to myself that chlorine dioxide taken per the MMS protocol wouldn't hurt me. Then I had to see if my own body derived any benefit from maintenance dosing since I did not have any specific illness. I found that within a few days my BPH and blood sugar issues I had had for a long time were greatly improved with MMS. The only first hand account I have was from a friend who took my suggestion to try MMS on a pesky MRSA infection that multiple courses of strong IV and oral antibiotics over a 9 month period had not cured leaving he leg so sore and swollen that she couldn't even walk. She started improving in a few days on MMS, and within a few weeks was up and walking with no more swelling or pain--IT CURED MRSA!
[link to www.bioredox.mysite.com] -- MD report on MMS
[link to mmsmiracle.com] -- where to buy
[link to www.medicalnewstoday.com] -- chlorine dioxide killing MRSA
[link to www.healthsalon.org] brief history and useage of MMS
[link to www.patentstorm.us] --by summary chlorine dioxide purifies blood
[link to www.thedcasite.com] -- double whammy with DCA and MMS
[link to www.dichloroacetate.org] |
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Arrow
User ID: 367405
3/24/2008 2:16 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Corpus,
most of the sites you posted go nowhere. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 399021
3/24/2008 7:54 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
I am getting dry eyes after using MMS for several weeks. I also get blurry vision, just like when I swim in a pool that has too much chlorine.
Is it possible to get too much chlorine dioxide? I don't have any diseases. |
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chad
User ID: 281322
3/25/2008 2:23 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
i strongly suggest people read this if they are thinking about sodium chlorite (MMS). chlorinated water is a main cause of cancer and artery plague and heart disease. i ran across it in my own research.
[link to www.orthomolecular.org] |
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GREY LENSMAN
User ID: 399129
3/25/2008 2:29 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
CHLORINE DIOXIDE IS NOT CHLORINE. ITS LIKE SAYING LOOK HOW BAD SODIUM AND CHLORINE ARE. DONT EAT IT. BUT COMBINED THEY ARE COMMON TABLE SALT.
GL |
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chad
User ID: 281322
3/25/2008 4:48 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
CHLORINE DIOXIDE IS NOT CHLORINE. ITS LIKE SAYING LOOK HOW BAD SODIUM AND CHLORINE ARE. DONT EAT IT. BUT COMBINED THEY ARE COMMON TABLE SALT.
GL Quoting: GREY LENSMAN 399129
no one said ClO2 is Cl. they do not "chlorinate" water by adding Chlorine. chlorinated water is either chlorinated with bleach or by the same process as MMS: acidifying sodium chlorite to produce ClO2. both processes produce many of the same ions, furthermore, the chemistry is not so simple as you wish the think, especially after it enters the body.
regardless, the point is this:
oxidizers turn omega3 fatty acids into rancid oils, which sets one up for cancer as well as arterial diseases. as we know, the whole purpose of flax and cod-liver oils is to protect from these diseases with omega3's. and we all know that omega3's are easily oxidized and turned into poison if one is not careful. thus, you never heat or allow oxygen to oxidize omega3 oils. one of my degrees is chemistry, though i don't think it matters much except that i see so much nonsense by people that have no clue when it comes to science. |
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chad
User ID: 281322
3/25/2008 5:32 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
i was in error - many water supplies do chlorinate using elemental chlorine (and sodium hypochlorite, and sodium chlorite/chlorine dioxide). |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 400876
3/27/2008 5:20 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
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chad
User ID: 281322
3/27/2008 5:08 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
[link to www.atsdr.cdc.gov]
Studies in rats have shown that exposure of pregnant animals to chlorine dioxide or exposure of pups shortly after birth may cause delays in the development of the brain.
[link to www.epa.gov]
It has also been shown that chlorine dioxide reacts with free fatty acids (Ghandbari et al., 1983).
chlorine dioxide reacts readily with amino acids cysteine, tryptophan, and tyrosine ...
Acid-Chlorite Solution - Chlorine dioxide can be generated by direct-acidification generators in acidification of sodium chlorite solution. Several stoichiometric reactions have been reported for such processes (Gordon et al., 1972). When chlorine dioxide is generated in this way, hydrochloric acid is generally preferred.
Chlorine dioxide generators are operated to obtain the maximum production (yield) of chlorine dioxide, while minimizing free chlorine or other residual oxidant formation. The specified yield for chlorine dioxide generators is typically greater than 95 percent.
[so, even for commericial generators, 5% of the reaction produces free chlorine and other by-products - this link also describes the dynamic complexity of chlorine dioxide reactions]
[in order for CLO2 to be effective against most pathogens, you need to build up a concentration of several mg/L of ClO2 in your body ...]
Chlorite and chlorate are produced in varying ratios as endproducts during chlorine dioxide treatment and subsequent degradation.
Chlorine dioxide reacts with the soluble forms of iron and manganese to forms precipitates that can be removed through sedimentation and filtration.
At this time, it is unclear whether the primary mode of inactivation for chlorine dioxide lies in the peripheral structures or nucleic acids.
The application of chlorine dioxide does not produce THMs and produces only a small amount of total organic halide (TOX) (Werdehoff and Singer, 1987).
chlorine dioxide concentrations exceeding 0.4 to 0.5 mg/L contribute to taste and odor problems (AWWA, 1990).
[so, if you had several mg/L of ClO2 in your body liquids, the dose to kill most pathogens, your body fluids would be fairly odorous with the smell of chlorine]
Singer (1992) noted that the formation of non-halogenated organic byproducts of chlorine dioxide has not been adequately researched ... [but] produces a small amount of organic halides (Werdehoff and Singer, 1987).
[link to www.atsdr.cdc.gov]
Chlorine dioxide is a gas that does not occur naturally in the environment.
[often, i see this listed as a "natural supplement", and it is neither natural, nor a supplement].
Chlorite is formed when chlorine dioxide reacts with water.
When added to water, chlorine dioxide forms chlorite ion, which is also a very reactive chemical.
Chlorine dioxide is a very reactive compound and breaks down quickly in the environment.
Both chlorine dioxide and chlorite react quickly in water or moist body tissues. Eating or drinking large amounts of chlorite salts may cause irritation in the mouth, esophagus, or stomach.
There are no studies on cancer in humans exposed to chlorine dioxide or chlorite.
Based on inadequate information in humans and in animals, the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) and the EPA have determined that chlorine dioxide and sodium chlorite are not classifiable as to human carcinogenicity.
Studies in rats have shown that exposure of pregnant animals to chlorine dioxide or exposure of pups shortly after birth may cause delays in the development of the brain.
[the chloride ion was 80% of the ClO2 metabolites, and chlorite 20% - not "salt" as claimed].
Neonatal jaundice occurred more frequently in infants whose mothers resided in the area where surface water was disinfected with chlorine dioxide, when compared with infants with mothers using nondisinfected well water. Infants born to mothers residing in areas where surface water was disinfected had smaller cranial circumference. In addition, these infants had a smaller body length and lower birthweight.
Meggs et al. (1996) examined 13 individuals (1 man and 12 women) 5 years after they were occupationally exposed to chlorine dioxide from a leak in a water purification system pipe. The long-term effects of the accident included development of sensitivity to respiratory irritants (13 subjects), disability with loss of employment (11 subjects), and chronic fatigue (11 subjects). Nasal abnormalities (including injection telangectasia, paleness, cobblestoning, edema, and thick mucus) were found in all 13 individuals. Nasal biopsies taken from the subjects revealed chronic inflammation with lymphocytes and plasma cells present within the lamina propria in 11 of the 13 subjects; the inflammation was graded as mild in 2 subjects, moderate in 8 subjects, and severe in 1 subject. Nasal biopsies from three control subjects showed chronic inflammation in one subject.
males exposed to 50 mg/L and in females exposed to 25 mg/L: Absolute liver weights were decreased in males, and absolute spleen weights were decreased in females.
Serum lactate dehydrogenase and apartate aminotransferase levels were decreased and serum creatinine levels were increased in the males ... A significant increase in incidence of nasal lesions (goblet cell hyperplasia and inflammation of nasal turbinates) was found and the study authors postulated that these lesions were likely caused by inhalation of chlorine dioxide vapors at the drinking water sipper tube or from off-gassing of the vapors after drinking rather than ingestion of the drinking water.
Abdel-Rahman et al. (1984b) exposed groups of four male Sprague-Dawley rats to 0, 1, 10, 100, an 1000 mg/L chlorine dioxide drinking water 20 hours/day for 11 months: A number of statistically significant hematologic alterations were observed; however, the magnitude of the alterations *** does not appear to be dose related *** :
Osmotic fragility was decreased ...
Erythrocyte counts were decreased ...
Reduced hematocrit and hemoglobin levels were observed in all groups ...
hematocrit levels were significantly increased ...
Mean corpuscular hemoglobin concentrations were increased ...
Blood glutathione levels were significantly reduced ...
DNA synthesis (assessed using H-thymidine incorporation) was significantly reduced in the kidneys ...
decreased in the testes ...
increased in the intestinal mucosa ...
The lack of a consistent relationship between dose and hematologic alterations and the small number of animals (four males/group) confound interpretation of the study.
AND THERE IS MUCH MORE TO READ ...
my basic opinion is that it probably doesn't hurt to use it for a short while, but it probably DOES do a lot of bad things if used chronically. |
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the Questeon ?
User ID: 348793
3/27/2008 5:18 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
so Chad basically... don't use it if you are pregnant ? |
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inpaz
User ID: 401895
3/28/2008 3:36 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Thanks |
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GREY LENSMAN
User ID: 402209
3/28/2008 1:07 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
SHAME CHAD KNOWS HIS CHEMISTRY BUT NOT HIS BIOLOGY.
THE BODY OBTAINS ENERGY BY METABOLISM, THE OXIDISING OF FOOD AND NUTRIENTS.
THATS WHY YOU NEED ANTI OXIDENTS TO CLEAN OUT THE RESULTING ASH.
BURNING OMEGA 3 AND CONVERTING THEM TO USABLE MATERIALS IS NOT THE SAME AS GOING RANCID IN AIR.
MOST WATER SUPPLIES ARE CHLORINATED WITH ELEMENTAL CHLORINE AND THAT IS DODGY.
LOVE THE SO CALLED 13 PERSON STUDY.
COMPARES WELL WITH 76,000 RECORDED CURES.
STRANGE NO MENTION OF VOLUME
GL |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 402646
3/28/2008 11:29 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 272356
3/29/2008 2:47 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
So, How can one buy this in the U.S.?
How much is it? |
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Arrow
User ID: 367405
3/30/2008 2:29 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Information for purchasing MMS can be found on this thread. Scroll down to find the article.
[link to www.healthsalon.org] |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/2/2008 7:07 AM | |
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 406255
4/2/2008 7:07 AM | |
Safe or no?
User ID: 410581
4/7/2008 6:54 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Without my going through 33 pages of this thread, can someone tell me the bottom line? Is MMS safe?
Humble says yes, but some other guy on CureZone.com says no and he seems to have quite a background in the stuff.
I ordered it, then canceled my order reading the guy's comments, which were not favorable and seemed to indicate serious harm can come from it and it's claimed efficacy is highly questionable.
Thoughts? |
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BelgianBoy
User ID: 391384
4/8/2008 10:18 AM
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I've been reading up on this "Bruce/biosafe" as well.
He does not seem to offer any safe protocol and claims loudly that Jim is a nutter, but at the same time that MMS works somehow... Go figure. His posts are sometimes rantlike and sometimes very civilised as if it were 2 different persons.
I honestly don't know what to think.
I use MMS moderately (6 drops a day) after some mishaps initially (going up too fast in dosage and then stopping completely = big mistake) and I have no side effects (exept good ones like improved sleep and energy) up to now.
< [link to www.layoutdokter.be] |
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BelgianBoy
User ID: 391384
4/10/2008 2:44 PM
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tvance
User ID: 116726
4/11/2008 3:22 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
I've been on the MMS for 7 months now and if you take too much it can be "nasty stuff". I have more energy that ever now -- so it is doing good work in my body...
Want to read more articles -- try the Reiki Ranch Blog on MMS. |
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