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Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century update mms2 pg 51

 
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Hi all

Good news from thailand. Two people taking MMS for AIDS getting good results. One returned to the doctor and there were marked improvements in their test result and both were feeling much better. I will try to post test results later. The person doesn't want their name used so is reluctate to give me copies. I have told them to black out their name so we can get the results out to others in need. The one with improved test result has been taking MMS for about 6 weeks and is up to 6 drops twice a day. Also talked to a women on MDI news group who is taking MMS for Hep C and has reduced her viral load by 1/3 after 2 months.

from email: quote

"Here's what I found.

MMS kills. It doesn't heal.
I took it for 2 months.
It lowered my viral load by 1/3.
But 14-15 other results were out of whack.

I THEN took it and also made sure I took my supplements everyday.
It brought 6 tests back into normal range in a couple of months.
It also lowered my ALT and AST but both are still high.
My Alk Phos went down to 40, it was up to 48.
But my RBC was low for the first time.

My MPV went up to 13, and came down to 12.4, still high, but better. Down to 10.6 after 4 months off MMS.
MPV has to do with your platelets are all new. New ones are bigger. "

Thanks to all for sharing
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Hey, I just started taking 1 to 2 gms MSM a day for the past week and I notice a big difference in pain reduction. My feet have been killing me for the past year or so and I've had some joint pain in my elbow... results within this week have been far greater than taking advil has been. I can say this is the best my pain has been for a long time so I'll continue with it for a while and see how it goes.
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Hey, I just started taking 1 to 2 gms MSM a day for the past week and I notice a big difference in pain reduction. My feet have been killing me for the past year or so and I've had some joint pain in my elbow... results within this week have been far greater than taking advil has been. I can say this is the best my pain has been for a long time so I'll continue with it for a while and see how it goes.
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Ooops, I notice this thread is about MMS not MSM, my bad...wrong thread.
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DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO GET THIS IN CANADA??? I LIVE IN CANADA AND ITS NOT AVAILABLE AS OF OCT 3RD.... ARE THE INGREDIENTS AVAILABLE.. AND IF SO, WHERE??
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[link to mmsexposed.weebly.com]

Bull about Bumble!

Jim started his career in the Aerospace industry where he quickly became a research engineer. He worked on the first intercontinental missile, the moon vehicle, wrote instruction manuals for the first vacuum tube computers, set up experiments for A-bomb explosions, worked on secret radio control electronics, set up experiments in electrical generation by magneto hydro dynamics, complete wired the first machine to be controlled by computers at Hughes aircraft company and invented the first automatic garage door opener.


By the Failofficer telling you it's all your fault!


Being “ill” is a great opportunity to discover, not what is “wrong,” or what to blame.... “Sickness” is a great incentive and opportunity to practice discovering and expanding our connection to the power and reality where healing takes place, within the all-encompassing dimension and omniband harmonic frequency of Spirit.

Spirit is part of the Matrix that is accessed through awareness, by achieving a harmonic state within one’s self. Before a “disease” can be healed, it must be accepted as one’s own creation. This is the only way to become free of it. Understanding that our diseases are our creation, and not the work of some evil or nefarious “other,” or “bad luck,” allows us to forgive ourselves for all the negative assumptions and thoughts we’ve erroneously projected toward others. If you are ready and willing to do that unconditionally, then you are ready and able to heal.


I also mentione a M.D. named JOHN EDWARD HUMISTON, MD. He is licensed in CA and here is basic info on his license:

License Number: A83402
License Status: LICENSE RENEWED & CURRENT
Public Record Actions: NONE AVAILABLE ON WEB SITE
Original Issue Date: JUNE 04, 2003
Expiration Date: OCTOBER 31, 2008
Address: 511 E SAN YSIDRO BLVD #1008
SAN YSIDRO, CA 92173-3110
County: SAN DIEGO

He works for the William Hitt Center (a huge can of worms, but another time), in Tijuana. Imagine some of the worst treatments you can, and that's what they do. In his own father's words

...My son John is an alternative holistic M.D. who successfully gets rid of his patients’ HPV virus infections with a combination of (1) intramuscular injections of their own filtered urine which stimulates cytokine modulating proteins (an ingredient of Immunocal Platinum) and (2) intravenous ozone (which kills viruses). He gets rid of the genital warts with nokah, an Iroquois Indian herbal “black salve” which dissolves any skin growths which are cancerous or infected. Because his treatments have not been “approved”, he practices just across the border in Mexico. There are other obvious ways to avoid cervical cancer, but they are not “approved” either....

Dr. John E. Humiston received his degree from the Medical College of Wisconsin. He completed a residency program in family practice at Naval Hospital, Camp Pendleton, California, and also served as a battalion surgeon with the U.S. Marine Corps infantry for two years. Dr. Humiston has been board certified in family practice since 2000. He served as department head of outpatient medicine at Naval Hospital Keflavik, Iceland until leaving the Navy in 2003 and joining the William Hitt Center. Dr. Humiston is known for his work in Candida, chronic fatigue and related disorders.

Also, we shouldn't forget Dr. Hesslink, who has "researched" chlorine oxides for us:


[link to bioredox.mysite.com]


Thomas L. Hesselink, MD of Aurora, Illinois

* The information presented within these articles and accompanying communications is offered for legitimate educational and research purposes only.
* This exists as an exercise of the author's constitutional rights to freedom of speech and to freedom of the press.
* Nothing herein may be construed as providing:
medical advice, manufacturing advice, business advice, nor any advice whatsoever, nor endorsement of any kind.
* No claims, guarantees nor promises of suitability or efficacy for any purpose are made.
* The reader is further required and should agree not to aid nor to abet any deceptive, fraudulent, or illegal activity pertaining to any information obtained herein.



Sort of a strange disclaimer.




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DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO GET THIS IN CANADA??? I LIVE IN CANADA AND ITS NOT AVAILABLE AS OF OCT 3RD.... ARE THE INGREDIENTS AVAILABLE.. AND IF SO, WHERE??
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Can you still order it from Ebay, they might ship it to you.
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DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO GET THIS IN CANADA??? I LIVE IN CANADA AND ITS NOT AVAILABLE AS OF OCT 3RD.... ARE THE INGREDIENTS AVAILABLE.. AND IF SO, WHERE??
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You can buy Sodium chlorite at chemical supply houses and mix up your own. It is explained in Jims second book. its pretty cheap. I buy one pound for about $45 enough to make about 20 4oz bottles. I have MMS available for $7usd for a 4oz bottle. but I live in thailand. Not sure what the shipping is. Under $10 for 4 day delivery I would think. you can email me at sittalkstory@yahoo.com. I can also send you a lb for $45 plus shipping.
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I remember when 'oxygen therapy', ( adding drops of stabylized h2o3 (hydrogen peroxide), to water) was the rage 15 yrs ago.

Where is the method to making this chlorine in the e-book?
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I agree. So far most good products are easy to make. How do we make it?
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I remember when 'oxygen therapy', ( adding drops of stabylized h2o3 (hydrogen peroxide), to water) was the rage 15 yrs ago.

Where is the method to making this chlorine in the e-book?


I agree. So far most good products are easy to make. How do we make it?
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Its in jims secound book. But basicaly its 100 grams in enough distilled water to make 12.4oz. You need to buy sodum chlorite technical grade 90%. So put the sodium chlorite in a glass or plastic container (not metal of any kind.) Add enought water to make 12.4oz ant stir. Low heat can help disolve it very low is all that is required for until its just warm. or no heat at all. To use you should activate it with 10% citric acid. One drop of MMS solution you made to 5 drops citric acid. Add mms and citric acid wait 3 minutes add water or fruit juice without vitamin C added (4oz) and drink it. You should read jims books they are very helpful and give you information or dosage.
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Does anyone know if the above conditions have been improved by MMS???
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Does anyone know if the above conditions have been improved by MMS???
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Not sure what your asking but i think you are asking if it has worked for anyone. i can only speak for myself but it has done wonders for me. Killed Dengue fever when I got it, within 24hrs, life long dandruff is gone, herpies is gone, hip pain while lying down is gone. So for me it has been a real blessing.
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Drs all across America are now standing up against mms as
many americans livers are turning color and sometimes becomeing cancerous. They claim the liver is supposed to cleanse the blood of impurities and mms seems to be hanging around in the liver and sometimes dyeing urine as it gets into the kidneys as well. In Sept edition of Physcians Journal they showed the jump and rise in americans coming into emergency rooms with cancerous and ill looking livers that are no longer fully functional. I had been takeing it just a few times and mention it to my Doc and He wanted to know how long i was on it,and a biopsy was conducted later in the week to see what damage could have been done. All though i havent phoned them back they have left 2 messages on my answering machine.
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Nothing in your post, including the following, gives any evidence that MMS has injured these peoples' livers!

"In Sept edition of Physcians Journal they showed the jump and rise in americans coming into emergency rooms with cancerous and ill looking livers that are no longer fully functional."
Do you have a link to back this up? wtf
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Drs all across America are now standing up against mms as
many americans livers are turning color and sometimes becomeing cancerous. They claim the liver is supposed to cleanse the blood of impurities and mms seems to be hanging around in the liver and sometimes dyeing urine as it gets into the kidneys as well. In Sept edition of Physcians Journal they showed the jump and rise in americans coming into emergency rooms with cancerous and ill looking livers that are no longer fully functional. I had been takeing it just a few times and mention it to my Doc and He wanted to know how long i was on it,and a biopsy was conducted later in the week to see what damage could have been done. All though i havent phoned them back they have left 2 messages on my answering machine.
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Yeah, put up or shut up.
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I've had liver problems, until I had taken MMS 2x 15/day for a week and expelled a canine tapeworm(looked like large white rice) and then it cleared up.
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If I may add a few comments...

There is no question that chlorine dioxide is a very powerful oxidizer. It has been successfully used for years in controlling microbial growth and as a sanitizer and disinfectant.

The problem is not with the effectiveness of chlorine dioxide. The problem is that the MMS protocol has evolved from its initiation and is now flawed.

The only "magic" thing about 15 drops has to do with malaria. If you have malaria, Jim Humble claimed 100% success using his original protocol. Although we have heard nothing from the 75000 people he claims to have helped, there is some independent data that seems to support his initial claim.

While most people would be satisfied with 100% success, Jim Humble was not.

What has changed?

Jim Humble changed the activator and the strength of the activator.

The initial protocol involved using apple cider vinegar as the activator. Mixing up a dose resulted in a solution that had around 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide in it. In Jim Humbles initial reports, the symptoms of malaria were eliminated and the people reported almost no nausea and no diarrhea.

When Jim Humble moved to using 10% citric acid as the activator, the dose now has around 600 PPM free chlorine dioxide in it, and people regularly complain of nausea and diarrhea.

Maybe MMS would be far more effective if we went back to the 1 PPM dose. Healing without side effects sounds very good to me. If you insist on a colon cleanse, schedule yourself for a colonoscopy. The preparation for that procedure should pretty much clean everything out of that part of your body...

The MMS malaria cure also only involves 2 doses, a few hours apart, with results expected within a few hours, to a day.

Extrapolating from malaria to other illnesses is difficult.

No clinical testing has been done with people ingesting chlorine dioxide at the levels of the current MMS protocol. All of the previous work was done at levels closer to the 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide range.

I have read reports of people with HIV showing good progress for a while, then regressing to the point that they gave up on using MMS. The same goes for a number of additional illnesses.

Could this regression be caused by oxidative stress in the body brought on by high levels of chlorine dioxide in the body?

On the surface, this could answer some of the questions of why MMS seems to help at first, then its benefits seem to taper off and people succumb to nausea and diarrhea as they get to higher doses.

If we apply a little common sense it even becomes more obvious...

If a 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide dose is 100% successful, is it possible to expect oxidative stress from a dose that has 600 PPM free chlorine dioxide in it? Of course the more important question is why is the 600X stronger solution not more effective?

Could it be that when the body is subjected to oxidative stress, it overwhelms the immune system...

Perhaps, instead of exploring our bowel intolerance to chlorine dioxide by shooting for the 15 drop goal, we should simply go with the 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide 100% cure. Then again, it could be that MMS is only effective against some illnesses, and the time needed for the treatment may be variable. Pulsing may be better than using it continuously, and pulsing allows you to rebuild your immune system during the off time.

No one seems to be in a hurry to run clinical trials on MMS, including Jim Humble. The medical and industrial professionals I have talked to are not surprised that chlorine dioxide can have beneficial results in some illnesses, but they are surprised that the extremely high concentrations used in the MMS protocol.

For example, a recent clinical trial was done demonstrating the effectiveness of chlorine dioxide in treating ear infections in dogs. It is no surprise that bacteria would be killed by chlorine dioxide, but what is surprising is the concentration of chlorine dioxide used. They used 0.24% sodium chlorite and activated it with 1.2% citric acid. This ended up with around 0.3 PPM free chlorine dioxide. After 14 days of treatment at these ultra low levels of chlorine dioxide, they had an across the board reduction in bacteria and in about 50% of the cases the bacteria were totally eliminated. Also, no adverse effects were observed.

Please notice that they were not using 28% sodium chlorite (MMS), but got very favorable results using 0.24% sodium chlorite. They did not need 10% citric acid (MMS protocol) for activation, but got very favorable results using 1.2% citric acid.

If they had increased the concentration to 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide, they probably would have had 100% success eliminating all of the bacteria, but that is the subject of another clinical trial.

Chlorine dioxide is very powerful. You don't have to drive your body to the point of oxidative stress to benefit from it. Malaria is a virus that infects the blood. If a 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide dose can eliminate the symptoms of malaria in 2 doses in a few hours, imagine what this 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide dose can do in a week...

Now, let's take a look at timing...

Medicine has discovered that if you expect a treatment to work, you have to follow a strict schedule. Can we not expect the same? I don't know what the optimal timing for MMS is. I would suggest starting with a 1 PPM dose every 6 hours, but there are no clinical trials indicating that this is a good interval, or what would be a better interval.

A side effect from taking a 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide dose is that you don't have to do anything to mask the taste. It actually tastes like water.

How do you mix up a 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide dose?

Using 28% sodium chlorite (MMS) and 10% citric acid, put 1 drop MMS and activate it with the 10% citric acid. Let this activate for 5 minutes, then add it to 1 liter of water. If you drink 250 ml at a time, this liter should be good for 1 day.

The original MMS protocol used apple cider vinegar as an activator. The acid in apple cider vinegar is at a lower strength than 10% citric acid. Using apple cider vinegar, 12 drops of MMS and apple cider vinegar produced around a 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide dose. It may be that a weaker solution of citric acid may be necessary to bring the drops of MMS up to an effective level against some diseases, but with all the testing that Jim Humble has done, he is silent on this aspect.

Once again, more testing is needed to better understand this.

Thank you Jim Humble for exposing us to the wonderful potential of chlorine dioxide. If ever exposed to malaria, your protocol seems to be working for that.

Now it seems to be up to us to figure out how to use this for our greatest benifit. I don't think nausea and diarrhea are required to obtain relief from illness. In some cases they may occur, but I don't believe this should be the goal to strive for.

Tom
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If I may add a few comments...

There is no question that chlorine dioxide is a very powerful oxidizer. It has been successfully used for years in controlling microbial growth and as a sanitizer and disinfectant.

The problem is not with the effectiveness of chlorine dioxide. The problem is that the MMS protocol has evolved from its initiation and is now flawed.

The only "magic" thing about 15 drops has to do with malaria. If you have malaria, Jim Humble claimed 100% success using his original protocol. Although we have heard nothing from the 75000 people he claims to have helped, there is some independent data that seems to support his initial claim.

While most people would be satisfied with 100% success, Jim Humble was not.

What has changed?

Jim Humble changed the activator and the strength of the activator.

The initial protocol involved using apple cider vinegar as the activator. Mixing up a dose resulted in a solution that had around 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide in it. In Jim Humbles initial reports, the symptoms of malaria were eliminated and the people reported almost no nausea and no diarrhea.

When Jim Humble moved to using 10% citric acid as the activator, the dose now has around 600 PPM free chlorine dioxide in it, and people regularly complain of nausea and diarrhea.

Maybe MMS would be far more effective if we went back to the 1 PPM dose. Healing without side effects sounds very good to me. If you insist on a colon cleanse, schedule yourself for a colonoscopy. The preparation for that procedure should pretty much clean everything out of that part of your body...

The MMS malaria cure also only involves 2 doses, a few hours apart, with results expected within a few hours, to a day.

Extrapolating from malaria to other illnesses is difficult.

No clinical testing has been done with people ingesting chlorine dioxide at the levels of the current MMS protocol. All of the previous work was done at levels closer to the 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide range.

I have read reports of people with HIV showing good progress for a while, then regressing to the point that they gave up on using MMS. The same goes for a number of additional illnesses.

Could this regression be caused by oxidative stress in the body brought on by high levels of chlorine dioxide in the body?

On the surface, this could answer some of the questions of why MMS seems to help at first, then its benefits seem to taper off and people succumb to nausea and diarrhea as they get to higher doses.

If we apply a little common sense it even becomes more obvious...

If a 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide dose is 100% successful, is it possible to expect oxidative stress from a dose that has 600 PPM free chlorine dioxide in it? Of course the more important question is why is the 600X stronger solution not more effective?

Could it be that when the body is subjected to oxidative stress, it overwhelms the immune system...

Perhaps, instead of exploring our bowel intolerance to chlorine dioxide by shooting for the 15 drop goal, we should simply go with the 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide 100% cure. Then again, it could be that MMS is only effective against some illnesses, and the time needed for the treatment may be variable. Pulsing may be better than using it continuously, and pulsing allows you to rebuild your immune system during the off time.

No one seems to be in a hurry to run clinical trials on MMS, including Jim Humble. The medical and industrial professionals I have talked to are not surprised that chlorine dioxide can have beneficial results in some illnesses, but they are surprised that the extremely high concentrations used in the MMS protocol.

For example, a recent clinical trial was done demonstrating the effectiveness of chlorine dioxide in treating ear infections in dogs. It is no surprise that bacteria would be killed by chlorine dioxide, but what is surprising is the concentration of chlorine dioxide used. They used 0.24% sodium chlorite and activated it with 1.2% citric acid. This ended up with around 0.3 PPM free chlorine dioxide. After 14 days of treatment at these ultra low levels of chlorine dioxide, they had an across the board reduction in bacteria and in about 50% of the cases the bacteria were totally eliminated. Also, no adverse effects were observed.

Please notice that they were not using 28% sodium chlorite (MMS), but got very favorable results using 0.24% sodium chlorite. They did not need 10% citric acid (MMS protocol) for activation, but got very favorable results using 1.2% citric acid.

If they had increased the concentration to 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide, they probably would have had 100% success eliminating all of the bacteria, but that is the subject of another clinical trial.

Chlorine dioxide is very powerful. You don't have to drive your body to the point of oxidative stress to benefit from it. Malaria is a virus that infects the blood. If a 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide dose can eliminate the symptoms of malaria in 2 doses in a few hours, imagine what this 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide dose can do in a week...

Now, let's take a look at timing...

Medicine has discovered that if you expect a treatment to work, you have to follow a strict schedule. Can we not expect the same? I don't know what the optimal timing for MMS is. I would suggest starting with a 1 PPM dose every 6 hours, but there are no clinical trials indicating that this is a good interval, or what would be a better interval.

A side effect from taking a 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide dose is that you don't have to do anything to mask the taste. It actually tastes like water.

How do you mix up a 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide dose?

Using 28% sodium chlorite (MMS) and 10% citric acid, put 1 drop MMS and activate it with the 10% citric acid. Let this activate for 5 minutes, then add it to 1 liter of water. If you drink 250 ml at a time, this liter should be good for 1 day.

The original MMS protocol used apple cider vinegar as an activator. The acid in apple cider vinegar is at a lower strength than 10% citric acid. Using apple cider vinegar, 12 drops of MMS and apple cider vinegar produced around a 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide dose. It may be that a weaker solution of citric acid may be necessary to bring the drops of MMS up to an effective level against some diseases, but with all the testing that Jim Humble has done, he is silent on this aspect.

Once again, more testing is needed to better understand this.

Thank you Jim Humble for exposing us to the wonderful potential of chlorine dioxide. If ever exposed to malaria, your protocol seems to be working for that.

Now it seems to be up to us to figure out how to use this for our greatest benifit. I don't think nausea and diarrhea are required to obtain relief from illness. In some cases they may occur, but I don't believe this should be the goal to strive for.

Tom
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This is the truth. No one wants the side effects that come with high dose MMS - one might as well go with pharmaceuticals if one has to tolerate nausea and the shits from MMS. Few have what it takes to tolerate that for the long term.
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Interesting post in regard to the amount of chlorine Dioxide a one drop dose creates using citric acid. I was not aware of how much the difference in activators affected the ppm. thanks for the information.

I have recently read of clinical tests being done in Canada using WF10 for the treament of aids, basically stabalized sodium chlorite. From what I have been able to find out the SC releases CD in the body and is the active ingredient. They are in the 3rd stage studies which I think means they have had enough success with prior studies to continue. It would be interesting to know what the ppm of the dosage is that they are using. I know people that are getting good results using MMS for AIDs at 6dr doses 2x a day but I'm not sure of want activator their using. I will find out and get back to you. I have had great success with MMS but also feel after experimenting with it for some time that at times listening to my body that the lower doses are as benificial as the higher dose. I took 15 drops 2x one hr apart for dengue and a friend took 6 dr 2x one hr apart and we both had good results with all symptoms gone within one hr. So it would seem that the lower doses are as effective as the higher doses so some things a least.
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If I may add a few comments...

There is no question that chlorine dioxide is a very powerful oxidizer. It has been successfully used for years in controlling microbial growth and as a sanitizer and disinfectant.

The problem is not with the effectiveness of chlorine dioxide. The problem is that the MMS protocol has evolved from its initiation and is now flawed.

The only "magic" thing about 15 drops has to do with malaria. If you have malaria, Jim Humble claimed 100% success using his original protocol. Although we have heard nothing from the 75000 people he claims to have helped, there is some independent data that seems to support his initial claim.

While most people would be satisfied with 100% success, Jim Humble was not.

What has changed?

Jim Humble changed the activator and the strength of the activator.

The initial protocol involved using apple cider vinegar as the activator. Mixing up a dose resulted in a solution that had around 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide in it. In Jim Humbles initial reports, the symptoms of malaria were eliminated and the people reported almost no nausea and no diarrhea.

When Jim Humble moved to using 10% citric acid as the activator, the dose now has around 600 PPM free chlorine dioxide in it, and people regularly complain of nausea and diarrhea.

Maybe MMS would be far more effective if we went back to the 1 PPM dose. Healing without side effects sounds very good to me. If you insist on a colon cleanse, schedule yourself for a colonoscopy. The preparation for that procedure should pretty much clean everything out of that part of your body...

The MMS malaria cure also only involves 2 doses, a few hours apart, with results expected within a few hours, to a day.

Extrapolating from malaria to other illnesses is difficult.

No clinical testing has been done with people ingesting chlorine dioxide at the levels of the current MMS protocol. All of the previous work was done at levels closer to the 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide range.

I have read reports of people with HIV showing good progress for a while, then regressing to the point that they gave up on using MMS. The same goes for a number of additional illnesses.

Could this regression be caused by oxidative stress in the body brought on by high levels of chlorine dioxide in the body?

On the surface, this could answer some of the questions of why MMS seems to help at first, then its benefits seem to taper off and people succumb to nausea and diarrhea as they get to higher doses.

If we apply a little common sense it even becomes more obvious...

If a 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide dose is 100% successful, is it possible to expect oxidative stress from a dose that has 600 PPM free chlorine dioxide in it? Of course the more important question is why is the 600X stronger solution not more effective?

Could it be that when the body is subjected to oxidative stress, it overwhelms the immune system...

Perhaps, instead of exploring our bowel intolerance to chlorine dioxide by shooting for the 15 drop goal, we should simply go with the 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide 100% cure. Then again, it could be that MMS is only effective against some illnesses, and the time needed for the treatment may be variable. Pulsing may be better than using it continuously, and pulsing allows you to rebuild your immune system during the off time.

No one seems to be in a hurry to run clinical trials on MMS, including Jim Humble. The medical and industrial professionals I have talked to are not surprised that chlorine dioxide can have beneficial results in some illnesses, but they are surprised that the extremely high concentrations used in the MMS protocol.

For example, a recent clinical trial was done demonstrating the effectiveness of chlorine dioxide in treating ear infections in dogs. It is no surprise that bacteria would be killed by chlorine dioxide, but what is surprising is the concentration of chlorine dioxide used. They used 0.24% sodium chlorite and activated it with 1.2% citric acid. This ended up with around 0.3 PPM free chlorine dioxide. After 14 days of treatment at these ultra low levels of chlorine dioxide, they had an across the board reduction in bacteria and in about 50% of the cases the bacteria were totally eliminated. Also, no adverse effects were observed.

Please notice that they were not using 28% sodium chlorite (MMS), but got very favorable results using 0.24% sodium chlorite. They did not need 10% citric acid (MMS protocol) for activation, but got very favorable results using 1.2% citric acid.

If they had increased the concentration to 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide, they probably would have had 100% success eliminating all of the bacteria, but that is the subject of another clinical trial.

Chlorine dioxide is very powerful. You don't have to drive your body to the point of oxidative stress to benefit from it. Malaria is a virus that infects the blood. If a 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide dose can eliminate the symptoms of malaria in 2 doses in a few hours, imagine what this 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide dose can do in a week...

Now, let's take a look at timing...

Medicine has discovered that if you expect a treatment to work, you have to follow a strict schedule. Can we not expect the same? I don't know what the optimal timing for MMS is. I would suggest starting with a 1 PPM dose every 6 hours, but there are no clinical trials indicating that this is a good interval, or what would be a better interval.

A side effect from taking a 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide dose is that you don't have to do anything to mask the taste. It actually tastes like water.

How do you mix up a 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide dose?

Using 28% sodium chlorite (MMS) and 10% citric acid, put 1 drop MMS and activate it with the 10% citric acid. Let this activate for 5 minutes, then add it to 1 liter of water. If you drink 250 ml at a time, this liter should be good for 1 day.

The original MMS protocol used apple cider vinegar as an activator. The acid in apple cider vinegar is at a lower strength than 10% citric acid. Using apple cider vinegar, 12 drops of MMS and apple cider vinegar produced around a 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide dose. It may be that a weaker solution of citric acid may be necessary to bring the drops of MMS up to an effective level against some diseases, but with all the testing that Jim Humble has done, he is silent on this aspect.

Once again, more testing is needed to better understand this.

Thank you Jim Humble for exposing us to the wonderful potential of chlorine dioxide. If ever exposed to malaria, your protocol seems to be working for that.

Now it seems to be up to us to figure out how to use this for our greatest benifit. I don't think nausea and diarrhea are required to obtain relief from illness. In some cases they may occur, but I don't believe this should be the goal to strive for.

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Hi Tom. What is the source of your information on the ppm using the different activators. not trying to be confrontational,but would like to do more research and like to have a solid base for the information I share with others. thanks rick
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As far as the shits as you call them from MMS I got them only once at fairly high doses. 6 dr 1hr later 8dr and 1 hr later 12 dr. I never had them again even at 20 drop doses 2x a day. It would seem that after having cleaned out my digestive tract and killing most of pathogens in my body with my first usage I no longer had a reaction of this type. So I don't think its a bowel reaction to MMS but a pathogen reaction to MMS that creates adverse reactions.
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As far as the shits as you call them from MMS I got them only once at fairly high doses. 6 dr 1hr later 8dr and 1 hr later 12 dr. I never had them again even at 20 drop doses 2x a day. It would seem that after having cleaned out my digestive tract and killing most of pathogens in my body with my first usage I no longer had a reaction of this type. So I don't think its a bowel reaction to MMS but a pathogen reaction to MMS that creates adverse reactions.
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it's really not so much the shits, as it is the long nausea after taking it. it makes a person gag, and longer than a minute.
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JUST GOT THIS IN MY MAIL.

IT IS VERY GRAPHIC AND UGH.

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This guy is taking 75 drops of MMS- you need to watch this video and it will blow you right away.

A warning this is very graphic footage of a cancer tumor regressing and if you don't have the stomach for this sort of thing you should not watch.

I am sending this to as many who will watch because this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt the efficacy of MMS.

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Hello Rick,

WF10 is tetrachlorodecaoxide, which is a chlorite, but it is not sodium chlorite. They are using a 1:10 dilution and using doses in the 0.5 mg/kg of body weight range. The results from the various testing and clinical trials look promising.

The PPM information was first obtained from those involved in producing and selling sodium chlorite solutions to industry, then verified through testing. You can contact OxyChem, or DuPont, or Accepta, or Lenntech, or Biosafe and verify this information.

When testing, you will need some way to measure the concentration of chlorine dioxide. I picked up some chlorine dioxide test strips from www.cole-parmer.com . These test strips are designed to measure chlorine dioxide concentrations in water, so don't mix juice into the solution. You will end up with unreliable results.

The optimum activation seems to come from using a 5% sodium chlorite solution activated 1:1 with 10% citric acid. This produces a solution that has neither excess chlorite or citric acid in it. Both of these can be detrimental to health.

Chlorine dioxide is released from sodium chlorite by lowering the PH of the sodium chlorite solution. The stronger the acid, the more the PH is lowered and more chlorine dioxide is released.

Please be careful when conducting testing with chlorine dioxide. The fumes will cause respiratory distress. If you find yourself hacking, you have been exposed to too many fumes and should take some time off from testing.

Sodium chlorite and citric acid can cause chemical burns, so be careful when using these solutions. Rinse often. It would be best to wear eye protection and gloves. If you splash some MMS on your clothes, take them off and rinse them out.

I would suggest that you have a conversation with a Gastroenterologist. It appears that chlorine dioxide wipes out the flora in the GI tract. This flora is important for health. I have noticed several reports from people who have seen improvement at first, then regressed. The cause of the regression may be linked to the loss of the flora in the GI tract.

High concentrations of sodium chlorite, citric acid, and chlorine dioxide act as a poison and the body will try to quickly get rid of these substances. Once you eliminate all of the flora from your GI tract, you can tolerate higher levels, but I am not sure this is the best way back to health.

I have read reports that indicate that a large percentage of illnesses initiate in the colon. This may indicate that removing all of the flora may be beneficial, but I don't think it is necessary to do that twice a day over a long period of time.

There is a lot of speculation involved with this. What we need is more testing and some professionally run clinical trials. While we do have some reports from people taking it, we really don't know what is going on when higher concentrations of chlorine dioxide are introduced into the body.

Tom
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Hi, First time to this sight and i cannot wait to get into it! Found you all from a search re MMS which i have been taking since August. I have had an extremely low immune system, that is frequent colds, flues sore throats, etc etc etc. MMS Has worked for me in that it does knock out all the above symptoms within 24-36 hrs. I take approx 8-10 drops 2-4 times/day and the whites of my eyes are brighter/healthier looking for sure. This couldn't be hurting my liver since the liver governs the eyes -
I am almost thru the (BADLY written) book 1 and am interested in the IV protocol. Anyone out there doing that?
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Farmgirl I would really like to talk to you, can you please email me? I would be so happy to hear from you. Thanks.

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Hasn't anyone used it longer than a few weeks? Where are the long term user testimonies??
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My father-in-law has been using MMS(mainly to deal with his Sjogren's and candida problems) since mid-Aug. He is up to 11 drops a day, at night -if he takes it in the morning, the nausea bothers him, but nighttime doses seem to be fine.. He says he feels healthy for the first time in years. Obviously, he will be feeling side-effects for awhile yet, since he has struggled with candida for over 40 years - lots of issues there...

My husband and I have been taking it for almost 3 full months - no serious ailments, but we've noticed improved wellbeing - better sleep, loss of joint/muscle stiffness, cleared up sinus problem. We both took 15 drops 2x a day for a couple of weeks (ramped up from 2 drops initially), and we now take 6 - 10 drops at bedtime 3 or 4 times a week. Our bodies are continuously under attack from environmental toxins as well as viruses/bacteria, et al, so we plan to continue with our regimen for the forseeable future. Good luck! I'd love to hear the status of your MRSA patch in a few days:)
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