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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 547670
11/10/2008 9:17 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Hello Rick,
WF10 is tetrachlorodecaoxide, which is a chlorite, but it is not sodium chlorite. They are using a 1:10 dilution and using doses in the 0.5 mg/kg of body weight range. The results from the various testing and clinical trials look promising.
High concentrations of sodium chlorite, citric acid, and chlorine dioxide act as a poison and the body will try to quickly get rid of these substances. Once you eliminate all of the flora from your GI tract, you can tolerate higher levels, but I am not sure this is the best way back to health.
I have read reports that indicate that a large percentage of illnesses initiate in the colon. This may indicate that removing all of the flora may be beneficial, but I don't think it is necessary to do that twice a day over a long period of time.
There is a lot of speculation involved with this. What we need is more testing and some professionally run clinical trials. While we do have some reports from people taking it, we really don't know what is going on when higher concentrations of chlorine dioxide are introduced into the body.
Tom Quoting: Anonymous Coward 540592
Tom you sound like that guy who is selling stabalized oxegen or have been reading his material. There are studies that have been done with animals, pig and cows that show when Sodium chorite is used in a strong enough solution to kill E. Colit by 90% there is no harmful effects on intestinal flora. I am very sensitive to my intestinal flora balance and even at doses of 20 drop two time within and hour of each other i felt no harm was done to my intestinal flora. Any thing taken to extreme will have a negative effect on ones health. I do agree that more research is needed. But there have been fairly comprehensive studies done on the effects of SC and CD and both have shown no toxicity at low doses. Most of these have been done on animals but some have been done on human in doses up to 100ppm per day.
I did reread about WF10 and the host of other drug that are being patented and used in studies and there are stabalized sodium chlorite. When they did an analysis of what this created in the body when use introvenously it was shown to release chlorine dioxide in the blood stream. So if you want to mince words are they sodium chlorite or stabalized sodium clorite thats ok. But in the end they both release chlorine dioxide into the blood stream.
I've heard the rants about 28% sodium chlorite is two strong but that they were all by someone trying to sell me a 5% solution of sodium chorite.
Here is a brief description of WF-10 of the new medications using as you call it tetrachlorodecaoxygen. Take a good look at No. six
1. A method of treating amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) in a subject, comprising: administering chlorite to a subject having ALS, wherein the chlorite isadministered in an amount effective to treat ALS in the subject.
2. The method of claim 1, wherein chlorite is administered in the form of a matrix of chlorite ions.
3. The method of claim 2, wherein the matrix of chlorite ions is tetrachlorodecaoxygen (TCDO).
4. The method of claim 3, wherein TCDO is administered in an aqueous formulation.
5. The method of claim 1, wherein chlorite is administered in the form of a pharmaceutically acceptable chlorite salt.
6. The method of claim 5, wherein the chlorite salt is sodium chlorite.
7. The method of claim 4, wherein the aqueous formulation contains about 40 to about 80 mM concentration of chlorite.
8. The method of claim 4, wherein the aqueous formulation contains about 60 mM concentration of chlorite.
9. The method of claim 4, wherein the aqueous formulation contains 63 mM concentration of chlorite.
Here is a list of the different drugs using sodium chlorite.
Ancloximex, Animexan, Balneozoon, Dermazoon, DesoPur, HydroXan, LegioCid, Oxilium, Oxocebron, Oxoferin, Oxomexan, Oxovasin, Oxovir, Oxoviron, Ryoxon , WF10 |
| rken 
User ID: 547670
11/10/2008 9:51 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Chlorite and Administration Thereof
The source of chlorite ions for administration of chlorite according to the invention can be provided in a variety of forms. For example, chlorite can be administered as a chlorite salt (e.g., alkali metal salt, e.g., sodium chlorite, potassium chlorite, and the like) or a mixture of chlorite salts, where the chlorite salts are preferably pharmaceutically acceptable. In addition or alternatively, chlorite can be administered as a matrix of chlorite ions, e.g., described in U.S. Pat. No. 4,507,285. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 548294
11/11/2008 12:57 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Hello Rick,
I believe initially WF10 involved sodium chlorite, but I think it has evolved from that. I also believe they are adding buffering materials to deal with some of the initial side effects that were encountered during the early clinical trials. It may have some form of sodium chlorite in it, but it is not simply sodium chlorite.
I believe the patent refers to the administration of WF10, which comprises chlorite (e.g., in the form of tetrachlorodecaoxygen (TCDO)) as its active ingredient.
However, for the sake of argument, let's say that WF10 is simply sodium chlorite. Now, let's look at the concentrations they are using. They talk about using a 60 mMol concentration. This works out to a 0.67% sodium chlorite solution. Keep in mind that MMS is a 28.0% sodium chlorite solution (actually a 22.4% solution). If the WF10 clinical trials are showing success using a sodium chlorite solution that is less than 1%, why are people still using large amounts of a 28% sodium chlorite solution?
Not only are they using a very low concentration solution of sodium chlorite, but they also are not activating it. The amount of chlorine dioxide released from this solution is going to be much less than 1 PPM.
I am not aware of the studies of pigs and cows you referred to. Do you happen to have a link?
Do you realize that a 20 drop dose of MMS involves around 800 PPM available chlorine dioxide with around 160 PPM released as free chlorine dioxide? Do you really believe your intestinal flora survived two doses of this?
I am also not aware of any human tests done with concentrations in the 100 PPM range. There was a 12 week study done with 5 PPM concentrations, and the initial study involved concentrations up to 24 PPM. Do you have a link for the 100 PPM chlorine dioxide study?
We must keep in mind that while there are some similarities between sodium chlorite, chlorine dioxide, and acidified sodium chlorite, there have only been studies involving sodium chlorite and chlorine dioxide. Animals have been given various concentrations of sodium chlorite and studied. Animals and humans have been given various concentrations of chlorine dioxide solutions and have been studied. Neither animals or humans have been given concentrations of acidified sodium chlorite solutions for study. Since MMS is an acidified sodium chlorite solution, there are assumptions that if the test results from sodium chlorite and chlorine dioxide are examined, we should have an understanding of what this acidified sodium chlorite solutions is doing. I think we can get a general idea, but until testing is done with acidified sodium chlorite solutions, we really don't know what is going on inside the body.
Chlorine dioxide is a very powerful oxidizer. This allows effective use of it at very low concentrations. Jim Humble has stated several times that his initial solutions had around 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide. He reported 100% success with malaria with this concentration, then decided to increase the concentration by using a stronger acid. I keep asking... What is wrong with 100% success...?
Tom |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 548305
11/11/2008 1:36 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Hi all
Good news from thailand. Two people taking MMS for AIDS getting good results. One returned to the doctor and there were marked improvements in their test result and both were feeling much better. I will try to post test results later. The person doesn't want their name used so is reluctate to give me copies. I have told them to black out their name so we can get the results out to others in need. The one with improved test result has been taking MMS for about 6 weeks and is up to 6 drops twice a day. Also talked to a women on MDI news group who is taking MMS for Hep C and has reduced her viral load by 1/3 after 2 months.
from email: quote
"Here's what I found.
MMS kills. It doesn't heal.
I took it for 2 months.
It lowered my viral load by 1/3.
But 14-15 other results were out of whack.
I THEN took it and also made sure I took my supplements everyday.
It brought 6 tests back into normal range in a couple of months.
It also lowered my ALT and AST but both are still high.
My Alk Phos went down to 40, it was up to 48.
But my RBC was low for the first time.
My MPV went up to 13, and came down to 12.4, still high, but better. Down to 10.6 after 4 months off MMS.
MPV has to do with your platelets are all new. New ones are bigger. "
Thanks to all for sharing Quoting: rken 524635
This is not that great because pharm hiv drugs can get the viral load to almost undetectable in about a month or two. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 549161
11/12/2008 2:44 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
[link to www.patentstorm.us]
BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION
1. Field of the Invention
The present invention is concerned with the novel use of a
chemically-stabilized chlorite matrix for the parenteral treatment of HIV infections.
2. Description of Related Art
HIV infections, amongst which the various subsidiary forms of the HIV virus are to be understood, are ever increasing. Despite intensive endeavors to control HIV infections, it has hitherto not been possible to find an absolutely effective counteragent. Previously known agents, for example
AZT or DDI, act especially on the cells infected with the virus, which are thereby killed off so that the infection does not proceed further. But these known agents have no effect on the viruses liberated into the blood circulation by the breakup of such cells, which bring about spreading and
infection of other cells.
Sarin et al., New England Journal of Medicine, 313, 1416/1985, discloses a treatment of cell cultures of HTLV III--(HIV) viruses in vitro with a 200 fold diluted solution of 0.23% sodium chlorite and 1.26% lactic acid. The
treatment of Sarin et al. led to an inactivation of the viruses.
U.S. Pat. No. 5,019,402 discloses a solution containing chlorine dioxide or a chlorine dioxide-liberating mixture of a chlorite, a weakly acidic buffer and a heat-activated saccharide which can be used for the sterilization of stored blood components with the exception of those which
contain red blood corpuscles, i.e., of leukocytes, blood platelets, coagulation factors and globulins. In whole blood, a corresponding disinfecting action does not occur, presumably because the red blood corpuscles are attacked more quickly by the chlorine dioxide than the investigated micro-organisms. Therefore, this agent also is not suitable
for a parenteral administration.
DE-OS 32 13 389, U.S. Pat. No. 4,507,285 and U.S. Pat. No. 4,296,103,
describe chemically-stabilized chlorite matrices which are suitable for an external or oral therapeutic use. Besides various bacterial infections,the external treatment of virus infections, such as herpes simplex and herpes zoster, is deemed possible in this manner but an intravenous
administration for the treatment of HIV infections is not possible.
EP 0 200 155 further describes solutions of a chemically-stabilized chlorite matrix for intravenous and perioperative administration. The agent has proved to be effective in the treatment of Candida albicans
infections. From EP 0 200 157, it is known to use such stabilized chlorite matrices for intravenous and/or local administration in cases of infectious conditions brought about by parasites, fungi, bacteria, viruses and/or mycoplasts. The action is explained by a phagocyte stimulation which is achieved by a single effective administration of the chlorite complex shortly after the infection. Combating virus infections is not described in this publication and, because of the principle of action,
does not appear to be possible.
SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION
It is an object of the present invention to provide an agent which inactivates HIV viruses in the blood without having a damaging influence on the blood and on the body of the patient.
In accordance with the present invention, there is provided a method of using a chemically-stabilized chlorite matrix for the parenteral treatment of HIV infections consisting of an isotonic solution containing 5 to 100 mMol, and preferably 50 to 80 mMol of ClO2- per liter of
solution.
The solution can be used as an injection solution or, after dilution, as an infusion solution.
In accordance with the present invention, there is also provided a method for parenteral treatment of HIV infections comprising administering an inhibition effective amount of a chlorite matrix solution comprising an
isotonic solution comprising 5 to 100 mMol of ClO2- per liter of solution. The method of the present invention causes an inhibition of the infection of undamaged cells as well as a stimulation of T-cells and Natural Killer (NK) cells.
Further objects, features and advantages of the present invention will become apparent from the detailed description of preferred embodiments that follow.
BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE DRAWINGS
FIGS. 1 and 1a illustrate the relationship between the concentration of chlorite matrix solution and the infectivity of cell-bound HIV-I or HIV-II.
FIGS. 2 and 2a illustrate the relationship between the concentrations of chlorite matrix solution and the infectivity of non cell-bound HIV-I or HIV-II.
FIG. 3 illustrates the results of Example 3 wherein 4 HIV-I infected patients were treated with chlorite matrix solutions over an extended period of time.
FIG. 4 illustrates the results of Example 4 showing the relationship between the number of T-cells and the period of treatment with the chlorite matrix solutions of the invention.
FIG. 5 illustrates the results of Example 4 showing the relationship between the number of NK cells and the period of treatment with a chlorite matrix solution of the present invention.
DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE PREFERRED EMBODIMENTS
Solutions of sodium and potassium chlorite are known to be disproportionate in acidic solution with the formation of chlorine dioxide and chloride. The chlorites and also chlorine dioxide formed are known to be effective
microbicides for the sterilization of surfaces and solutions. However, the use of chlorite solutions for parenteral administration typically was not thought to be possible because of their extraordinary toxicity.
It is therefore quite unexpected that, with an intravenous administration of an appropriate chlorite matrix in the appropriate concentration, HIV viruses can be directly combatted in the blood, demonstrated by the rapid
and strong decrease of the viruses detectable in the blood. The chlorite matrix solutions of the present invention also do not exhibit adverse effects such as severe cytotoxic damage and the like, typically associated with highly toxic chemicals which are administered intravenously. The
chlorite matrix solutions of the present invention further are capable of inactivating the HIV virus to thereby inhibit infection of undamaged cells. The concentration of the HIV virus in serum is typically determined in the known manner by coupling with antibodies against the virus-specific p24 antigen. (S. Mihm et al., (1991) Aids 5, 497-503) The virus-inhibiting action of the chlorite matrix appears to be concentration-dependent. A significant inhibition of a new infection is found in vitro even at concentrations of 5 μmol/l, whereas a concentration of 150 μmol/l brings about a practically complete inhibition. However, concentrations of more than 100 μmol/l can, over a prolonged period of time, lead to cytotoxic damage. Thus, concentrations of from 10 to 100, preferably of from about 40 to 80 and especially of 50 μmol/l are preferred.
The chlorite matrix solutions of the present invention are dosed in vivo corresponding to the body weight, whereby, because of the continuous breakdown of the active material in the blood, the agent must be administered again at regular intervals. Those skilled in the art are
capable of varying the concentrations of virus-inhibiting solutions depending on available in vitro data and body weight. Thus, throughout the specification and claims, the phrase "an inhibition effective amount" will be known by those skilled in the art to mean an amount of solution which, when administered in vivo to subjects of varying weight, will bring about an inhibition of the virus. Typically, an inhibition effective amount of the chlorite matrix solution will vary between about 0.1 ml/kg to about 1.5 ml/kg, preferably, about 0.5 ml/kg of body weight and at a
concentration of about 40 to about 80 mMol ClO2- per liter,
preferably about 60 mMol ClO2- per liter, respectively.
The following examples serve to illustrate particularly preferred embodiments of the present invention. Those skilled in the art recognize that various modifications may be made to the foregoing description and the following examples without departing from the spirit and scope of the
invention. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 549722
11/12/2008 7:36 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Hello Rick,
Yes, the early work on WF10 looks like it used around a 0.33 PPM free chlorine dioxide solution...
I am still looking for the 100 PPM chlorine dioxide tests done with humans.
Tom |
| Tryptamind
User ID: 535532
11/12/2008 8:13 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Hello everyone.
My bottle of MMS arrived today, and I was wondering if anyone can give me instructions on using Lemon or Vinegar to use to mix it with.
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Check out my above thread, I would appreciate a reply from anyone who has experience with Sodium Chlorite.
See ya. |
| Corpus
User ID: 550207
11/13/2008 11:48 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Those some would disagree, I have found that twice as much vinegar works as good as citric acid, lemon, or lime juice--ACID IS ACID. So instead of 5 drops of citric acid to one drop of MMS, just use 10 drops of vinegar to one drop of MMS.
Actually you can't use too much acid, but a lot more acid makes the taste nastier. I also only add just enough water (not juice) to the activated solution to gulp it in one swallow, followed up quickly by another ounce of water swished in my mouth for a few seconds before swallowing.
Hello everyone.
My bottle of MMS arrived today, and I was wondering if anyone can give me instructions on using Lemon or Vinegar to use to mix it with.
[ link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Check out my above thread, I would appreciate a reply from anyone who has experience with Sodium Chlorite. |
| dhourigan
User ID: 550653
11/14/2008 12:25 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Here is a great Airborne Video. I am not in this video, but I have jumped out of aircraft exactly like this one and into this very same drop zone along with several hundred of my closest friends. As many of you will recognize (unless you jumped with your eyes closed): This is the Sicily Drop Zone. The video comes from the US Army Airborne School at Fort Benning, Georgia. This video is for all of my Airborne "brothers" all over the world. Enjoy!!
[link to www.richardhouriganinc.com] |
| aALN1
User ID: 550733
11/14/2008 5:29 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
UK users of MMS try this site:
[link to mmsmiracle.com]
Anyone else out there sensitive to MMS? I managed up to 12 drops, but I am taking a holiday and I will get back to it. I am mid 50's, had chest infection - which resisted 2 lots of antiB's and I felt it was getting worse. I can tell you I was really worried - had stuff like this before but didn't feel like I was kicking it. Next step was to take steroids but I did not like the idea at all. I found MMS and got relief from day one - even although I could shit for the UK and was sick twice in the first few days.
Making progress with hte no of drops is the bugbear as I seem to be having reactions even though I only move up one drop every 3 weeks or so.
Hope this helps.
And to sceptics out there: My Daddy taught me that good science depends on the question being asked. I dont hear you guys asking questions. If you ask questions you might look for the answers. But I guess that is why you dont - Asking questions wont tell you what you wanna hear. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 551424
11/14/2008 11:39 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
And to sceptics out there: My Daddy taught me that good science depends on the question being asked. I dont hear you guys asking questions. If you ask questions you might look for the answers. But I guess that is why you dont - Asking questions wont tell you what you wanna hear. Quoting: aALN1 550733
Hello aALN1,
Here are some questions...
Jim Humble reported 100% success when treating malaria using a dose that he measured at 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide. Why did he change the activation to produce nearly 200 PPM free chlorine dioxide?
Why is it that when the clinics listed in his book are contacted, they know nothing of Jim Humble, nor any miracle cure for malaria?
Where is the test data that shows the MMS activation is optimal? The standard industrial activation has proven efficacy and I have found it to be around 40% more effective than using the MMS method of activation.
What happened to the 75000 people who were treated with MMS for malaria and found relief? I have not been able to find a single one of these 75000 people, in spite of numerous contacts with physicians and missionary groups that are working in Africa.
Where is the test data that shows that chlorine dioxide is a selective oxidant? I think it is an "equal opportunity" killer of internal flora, both good and bad. For example, chlorine dioxide is not used in the yogurt industry. It kills off the bacteria that form the yogurt. Isn't this a "good" bacteria?
Why is it that in Africa people with AIDS are cured in a few weeks, but in Europe and the US, people with HIV report higher viral loads after 3 months of high dose MMS use?
It has been several years since Jim Humble visited Africa. Why doesn't he go back and wipe out malaria?
If chlorine dioxide is what works in the body, why are we fooling with acidified sodium chlorite and chlorous acid? Wouldn't it be better to use hydrochloric acid as the activator and release all of the available chlorine dioxide from the sodium chlorite?
Why is it necessary to use 28% sodium chlorite? What tests indicate that this concentration is necessary?
That is just a few of the questions I have been trying to find answers for...
Tom |
| Justaguy
User ID: 554059
11/18/2008 6:57 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Hey Tom,
I can't answer any of those questions. They are legitmate questions. One thing I can mention is that I ran across this whole MMS thing while looking into alternatives for treating cancer. I don't have cancer, but was looking into information for some friends that do. When I came across MMS, it does seem like a strange story...almost too good to be true.
However I decided to order it for myself on the simple account that there have been so many posts throughout the net of folks that have used this thing for months and have apparently had much success for various ailments. I reviewed what literature I could find on the topic and I felt that it was at least safe to attempt to use it ...at least for a short time. So I ordered it and decided to give it a try. Now, I wasn't aware that I had anything wrong with me...I felt fine. I was more interested in guaging the side effects...ie. nausea etc.
The first time I took it I took 3 drops with 15 of citric acid. Within a few mins after drinking it, my nose/sinus seemed oddly clear (I say oddly because for as long as I remember, I have just always had what seems like a slightly stuffed passage. Breathing was never a problem, it was however never clear....always dripping or the tissue somewhat inflamed). ...this was normal for me, so to feel it clear was quite a shock. It was only one nostril...so I increased it to 4 drops (first thing in the morning on an empty stomach). I then increased it each morning by one drop until I reached 6 drops. So its only been a handful of days because I see no reason to increase it. This is my second morning on 6 drops and now both nostrils are clear.
When I used to go into the shower I could easily blow my nose, however now its completely clear.
I can't respond to your questions, but I definitely can say there is something to this stuff, and this can't be ignored. Jim is no expert on this, he doesn't really know how it works....he has a theory, but it hasn't been studies sufficiently. He doesn't know what is really safe or not...but the fact of the matter is that there are some positive effects that are being created from this. The challenge is trying to obtain the positive effects without adverse ones....
I myself think its dangerous to be taking these high doses for long periods of time. I only plan to take it for a few days at 6 drops on an empty stomach first thing in the morning only....but I have to say that I am completely surprised by the outcome and pleased thus far. |
| BelgianBoy
User ID: 391384
11/19/2008 5:50 AM
 | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Justaguy,
I had the same (beneficial) effects as you in the beginning.
I started out with MMS because I contracted light Malaria as a youngster visiting Spain in 1960. So this virus is dormant and gives me sometimes high fevers during 1/2 days without other "reasons" i.e. infection or illness. When I cranked up to 6 or more drops twice a day I ran into bowel-pains that were pretty awfull. I had this 3 times and it scared me. I since use MMS sporadicly and in lower doses.
< [link to www.layoutdokter.be] |
| Taylore
User ID: 555011
11/19/2008 11:56 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
My husband has been MMS for almost a year now. He had Lyme disease and Lyme rheumatoid arthritis in his hands. He has recovered 100% and is now building up his body with Magnesium oil spray.
We sell the MMS because it is a life saver and we both have had personal experience with it.
Here's a fairly good MMS website for information and articles... [link to WWW.MiracleMineralSolution-MMS.com]
And for Magnesium articles and information -- here is [link to www.magnesium.dixieretreat.com]
It would be nice to see some real testings for MMS, and how and why it works. Keep up the good work! |
| BelgianBoy
User ID: 391384
11/22/2008 5:39 AM
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Arrow,
I found out that I have an abdominal hernia wich is possibly the reason of my bowel pains I mentioned before. So it is (probably) not related to my use of MMS although there seems to be a link.
I will visit my MD soon since the only cure seems to be an operation.
Anybody with advise concerning hernia is appreciated!
< [link to www.layoutdokter.be] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 559189
11/25/2008 6:00 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Hello Rick,
I believe initially WF10 involved sodium chlorite, but I think it has evolved from that. I also believe they are adding buffering materials to deal with some of the initial side effects that were encountered during the early clinical trials. It may have some form of sodium chlorite in it, but it is not simply sodium chlorite.
I believe the patent refers to the administration of WF10, which comprises chlorite (e.g., in the form of tetrachlorodecaoxygen (TCDO)) as its active ingredient.
However, for the sake of argument, let's say that WF10 is simply sodium chlorite. Now, let's look at the concentrations they are using. They talk about using a 60 mMol concentration. This works out to a 0.67% sodium chlorite solution. Keep in mind that MMS is a 28.0% sodium chlorite solution (actually a 22.4% solution). If the WF10 clinical trials are showing success using a sodium chlorite solution that is less than 1%, why are people still using large amounts of a 28% sodium chlorite solution?
Not only are they using a very low concentration solution of sodium chlorite, but they also are not activating it. The amount of chlorine dioxide released from this solution is going to be much less than 1 PPM.
I am not aware of the studies of pigs and cows you referred to. Do you happen to have a link?
Do you realize that a 20 drop dose of MMS involves around 800 PPM available chlorine dioxide with around 160 PPM released as free chlorine dioxide? Do you really believe your intestinal flora survived two doses of this?
I am also not aware of any human tests done with concentrations in the 100 PPM range. There was a 12 week study done with 5 PPM concentrations, and the initial study involved concentrations up to 24 PPM. Do you have a link for the 100 PPM chlorine dioxide study?
We must keep in mind that while there are some similarities between sodium chlorite, chlorine dioxide, and acidified sodium chlorite, there have only been studies involving sodium chlorite and chlorine dioxide. Animals have been given various concentrations of sodium chlorite and studied. Animals and humans have been given various concentrations of chlorine dioxide solutions and have been studied. Neither animals or humans have been given concentrations of acidified sodium chlorite solutions for study. Since MMS is an acidified sodium chlorite solution, there are assumptions that if the test results from sodium chlorite and chlorine dioxide are examined, we should have an understanding of what this acidified sodium chlorite solutions is doing. I think we can get a general idea, but until testing is done with acidified sodium chlorite solutions, we really don't know what is going on inside the body.
Chlorine dioxide is a very powerful oxidizer. This allows effective use of it at very low concentrations. Jim Humble has stated several times that his initial solutions had around 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide. He reported 100% success with malaria with this concentration, then decided to increase the concentration by using a stronger acid. I keep asking... What is wrong with 100% success...?
Tom Quoting: Anonymous Coward 548294 |
| BelgianBoy
User ID: 391384
11/26/2008 4:18 PM
| | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 555047
11/27/2008 6:43 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 541309
11/30/2008 12:14 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
I took my first drop last night, a few hours before I went to bed. What happened next was thoroughly unpleasant.
After I laid down, I was tired but couldn't fall asleep. I began to have crazy thoughts and what seemed like waking dreams. Later on, my heart began to beat fiercely, so much that I was worried I had induced a panic attack. Strange sensations all over my body after that, followed by cold chills. After a couple of hours I finally fell asleep.
I took another drop in the morning and felt OK, but I'm scared to take any more. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 557969
11/30/2008 12:36 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Can someone do some real scientific tests to see if this junk actually works?
Yes chlorine dioxide is a potent anti bacterial chemical, but a few things need to be tested:
1) Does the product actually create chlorine dioxide (ClO2)
2) Since ClO2 is a gas, Does the ClO2 actually make it into the stomach or does it evaporate out of the liquid.
3) Is the ClO2 destroyed by stomach juices
4) Is the ClO2 actually absorbed into the blood stream
5) Is the ClO2 dosage high enough to actually have any effect at all on bacteria and viruses.
6) Test feces contents before and after use for dead bacteria and compare.
7) Can MMS at the suggested dose kill test bacteria in petrii dishes and live animals.
8) Can MMS beat the placebo effect. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 541309
11/30/2008 11:52 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 562492
11/30/2008 2:57 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Hello #557969,
Can someone do some real scientific tests to see if this junk actually works?
Yes chlorine dioxide is a potent anti bacterial chemical, but a few things need to be tested:
1) Does the product actually create chlorine dioxide (ClO2)
2) Since ClO2 is a gas, Does the ClO2 actually make it into the stomach or does it evaporate out of the liquid.
3) Is the ClO2 destroyed by stomach juices
4) Is the ClO2 actually absorbed into the blood stream
5) Is the ClO2 dosage high enough to actually have any effect at all on bacteria and viruses.
6) Test feces contents before and after use for dead bacteria and compare.
7) Can MMS at the suggested dose kill test bacteria in petrii dishes and live animals.
8) Can MMS beat the placebo effect. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 557969
1) Yes.
2) The amount of ClO2 that is not used up in the mouth and throat does enter the stomach.
3) No, but it is effected by what is in the stomach prior to taking the dose. Some foods are high in anti oxidants.
4) Yes, but the rate and efficiency of the absorption is not known.
5) It is high enough to remove the flora from the GI tract.
6) There are reports that state that after following the MMS protocol no bacteria was observed in stool tests. Neither good nor bad.
7) Externally, ClO2 works very well, and is used at concentrations far below what the MMS protocol produces. There have been no formal clinical trials or tests with animals using the MMS protocol.
8) Let's see now... I have been told (by Jim Humble) that 10000 people are purchasing bottles of MMS each month. After a couple of years of people talking about this, we have around 100 - 200 success and partial success stories. I don't know what the numbers are for the placebo effect, but I will let you do the math... :)
Tom |
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12/16/2008 4:04 PM
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| alt_health_nut
User ID: 574308
12/17/2008 1:37 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
I agree with the statements below. In addition, I've done quite a few detox routines over the past few years and have found MMS to be one of the most intense and fast regimens. That also means that detox symptoms tend to be more extreme with MMS, so it's pretty rough to tolerate. If I were very sick but not terminal and had the time, I would start with a liquid raw veggie/fruit diet for a month before doing MMS.
Sensitive teeth, when it is general and not a specific tooth, is due to a low (acid) pH in the body - it can be brought on by eating too much candy (the traditional wisdom) but also any high carb/fat/protein diet, or during a big burn off of toxins. I also get the sore teeth symptom during detox, often in conjunction with acid stomach/acid reflux, twitching or cramping muscles, nervous/jittery feeling, etc. In every case so far, if I take about 2000 mg ea. of D3 and Calcium/Mag/Zinc, the symptoms get alleviated in a short time. If it helps some but not enough, I re-dose in about an hour. If the tooth sensitivity is real bad, then flush the mouth out with 1/2 to 1 t. baking soda in a glass of water, or if the stomach is bad too, drink it. You'll give a big burp as you get the "vinegar and baking soda" volcano effect in a few minutes, but then all will be well!
If you have ever kept a fish tank, swimming pool or hot tub, you know the importance of keeping the water buffered with calcium compounds, to keep the pH from going on a wild roller coaster. Same thing happens as we detox and the body starts dumping acidic waste into our bloodstream, it's going to burn up all the nutritionally available calcium, but when that runs out, then the body starts going for the muscles and bones. Not good, that is when you experience those nasty symptoms above.
Good general advice while detoxing with any method, and especially with MMS because it's so rapid: keep your calcium levels up (and Vitamin D3 to help with absorption especially if you live in the north and it's winter). Will reduce the nasty symptoms somewhat.
Hey Coward User ID: 319912
Why don't you try some sensodyne toothpaste?
You might also want to try making it with lemon juice or lime.
Rinse your mouth with plain water after you take it.
If all of this still fails try reducing your dosage to 4 drops with the required amount of activator. Perhaps that will be less of a problem for your teeth.
You could do 3, 4 drop dosages a day. It may take you a little longer to reach goals but you will get there. When I read about the dosage of similar sodium chlorite products and what people get out of it you will still do just great on 12 drops a day as still this is much stronger than what the other products are.
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| alt_health_nut
User ID: 574308
12/17/2008 2:01 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
You are supposed to take MMS between meals, waiting at least an hour after eating - because the antioxidants neutralize the MMS. Natural fruit juice does not. I didn't recall reading anything about protein interacting with it, but that doesn't mean that isn't so. Generally I take it mid morning and late at night before going to bed.
Regarding the HIV patient who after MMS found sleep patterns normalizing - I've found sleep patterns are most often disrupted due to toxicity, disease, and overeating. Get rid of the toxins and you will sleep better. Also until I did the MMS I did not fully appreciate how dramatically a chemical imbalance in the body can mess up your emotional and mental state - until I also became much more clear headed, and HAPPY! for the first time in years. I was one of those who was overloaded with yeast, so the mood is related to that.
MMS cannot be taken with any anti oxidents or protein.
No protein either? Jeez, this is going to be a hard month. Quoting: LynxEye 474331 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 574308
12/17/2008 2:34 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Hello #557969,
Can someone do some real scientific tests to see if this junk actually works?
Yes chlorine dioxide is a potent anti bacterial chemical, but a few things need to be tested:
1) Does the product actually create chlorine dioxide (ClO2)
2) Since ClO2 is a gas, Does the ClO2 actually make it into the stomach or does it evaporate out of the liquid.
3) Is the ClO2 destroyed by stomach juices
4) Is the ClO2 actually absorbed into the blood stream
5) Is the ClO2 dosage high enough to actually have any effect at all on bacteria and viruses.
6) Test feces contents before and after use for dead bacteria and compare.
7) Can MMS at the suggested dose kill test bacteria in petrii dishes and live animals.
8) Can MMS beat the placebo effect.
1) Yes.
2) The amount of ClO2 that is not used up in the mouth and throat does enter the stomach.
3) No, but it is effected by what is in the stomach prior to taking the dose. Some foods are high in anti oxidants.
4) Yes, but the rate and efficiency of the absorption is not known.
5) It is high enough to remove the flora from the GI tract.
6) There are reports that state that after following the MMS protocol no bacteria was observed in stool tests. Neither good nor bad.
7) Externally, ClO2 works very well, and is used at concentrations far below what the MMS protocol produces. There have been no formal clinical trials or tests with animals using the MMS protocol.
8) Let's see now... I have been told (by Jim Humble) that 10000 people are purchasing bottles of MMS each month. After a couple of years of people talking about this, we have around 100 - 200 success and partial success stories. I don't know what the numbers are for the placebo effect, but I will let you do the math... :)
Tom Quoting: Anonymous Coward 562492
#5 and #6 are a curiosity and concern to me as well, since a healthy gut is full of beneficial organisms. Jim states that the CIO2 reacts only with acidic compounds and microorganisms, not alkaline ones, and that most pathogenic microorganisms are acidic. What concerns me is the "most" part. E.g. is beneficial Acidophilus really an alkaline organism, contrary to its name? (I suppose I can crush a couple pills, add distilled water, and test with a pH strip or meter.) One can assume that if one's digestive tract is really polluted with the bad bacteria and fungi associated with an unhealthy diet, to the point where it is crowding out or even preventing any beneficial flora from growing, then if no beneficial organisms are reintroduced during or after MMS treatment, then the results in #6 above can be reasonably expected. But the general case that it kills beneficial organisms too, cannot be assumed.
But to be conservative, I wonder are there any beneficial microorganisms for the intestinal tract that can survive MMS, which can be reintroduced during or after treatment? If good flora are also killed by MMS, then I question the wisdom of periodically taking the maintenance dose of 6 drops that Jim suggests, unless you have "gotten faith" and changed your diet, and have so many beneficial flora in the gut that the 6 drops doesn't kill them all.
I am a firm believer that the vast majority of Americans have unhealthy digestive systems, due to the predominant eating habits. So MMS treatment may clean up the bad stuff and may or may not kill the good stuff, but in either case, good flora have to be reintroduced.
Elaine Ingam's research on aerobic vs. anaerobic compost tea for the garden, actually has enormous parallels and applicable information on how a healthy gut works, and should be treated to prevent disease. She talks about how beneficial bacteria that live in an aerobic composting environment (eg that produced by veggies and fruits) reproduce slowly and take a long time to get established, whereas the toxic bacteria live in putrefying anaerobic conditions, (eg that produced in the gut by eating alot of meat and fat) and will take advantage of any negative conditions and propagate quickly. Bad bacteria rely on their reproductive speed to overcome the good bacteria. Once the good bacteria are well established though, they are excellent at resisting bad bacteria. So if good bacteria are killed by MMS, or even if they are not but due to the way the person eats, have been crowded out by the bad guys, one has to radically alter one's eating habits to a really healthy, high raw foods diet to get the good bacteria reestablished.
My experience is that unless I clean up my diet during MMS treatment by eating lots of raw fruits and veggies, little or no grains, and limited protein and fats, I end up with bad detox symptoms and slow response to treatment. But raw fruits and veggies are alkaline, and promote beneficial bacteria to the gut. Doing raw veggie/fruit with MMS produces rapid and lasting results with fewer side effects. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 451784
12/18/2008 6:21 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Citric acid neutralizes MMS but to say you cannot take MMS with any kind of protein is not true. I've read the book and done some research on this product and nowhere have I read that protein interacts with MMS.
Fresh fruit juices are fine to use but any product containing citric acid will deactivate the MMS. Citric acid is used as a preservative in bottled fruit juices and canned fruits. If you are taking MMS be sure and check [read labels] everything you eat to make sure there is no CA.
If you are taking MMS for cancer you should not activate it with vinegar because cancer cells thrive on vinegar.
I am taking MMS but mixing it with DMSO to use in a trans-dermal preparation. DMSO is a great product in and of itself but it is also excellent as a carrier agent. It takes the MMS directly into the cells. When you use MMS in a trans-dermal preparation you can avoid the nausea and bad taste...you may get diarrhea but I never have. The set back is that it can burn the bejeesus out of your skin so you need to be careful.
I'm taking it for Lyme disease...so far MMS and DMSO has made me feel like a new person...physically and emotionally.
If you are sick or have a loved one who is...do your research...Google is our friend.
Here is a great start...
About MMS and Jim Humble: www.miraclemineral.org/index.php
MMS and DMSO Transdermal Protocol: www.cancertutor.com/.../Chlorine_Dioxide.html
About DMSO: www.dmso.org/.../icu.htm
For the yahoo wanting peer reviewed research blah blah blah...apparently he has never had to deal with the Medical establishment for any length of time otherwise he'd have enough sense to know they and the FDA could care less about curing anyone of anything...it's the big bucks baby...they want to keep you on the pharmaceutical teat for the rest of your life.
Here are some facts to chew on...In America the cure rate for cancer is 3%...in Germany the cure rate for cancer is over 90%. What is wrong with that picture?
Do you think the FDA cares about you? FDA suppression: [link to www.google.com]
Take your health into your own hands and get well.
Ava |
| the Questeon ?
User ID: 348793
12/18/2008 6:32 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Citric acid neutralizes MMS but to say you cannot take MMS with any kind of protein is not true. I've read the book and done some research on this product and nowhere have I read that protein interacts with MMS.
Fresh fruit juices are fine to use but any product containing citric acid will deactivate the MMS. Citric acid is used as a preservative in bottled fruit juices and canned fruits. If you are taking MMS be sure and check [read labels] everything you eat to make sure there is no CA.
If you are taking MMS for cancer you should not activate it with vinegar because cancer cells thrive on vinegar.
I am taking MMS but mixing it with DMSO to use in a trans-dermal preparation. DMSO is a great product in and of itself but it is also excellent as a carrier agent. It takes the MMS directly into the cells. When you use MMS in a trans-dermal preparation you can avoid the nausea and bad taste...you may get diarrhea but I never have. The set back is that it can burn the bejeesus out of your skin so you need to be careful.
I'm taking it for Lyme disease...so far MMS and DMSO has made me feel like a new person...physically and emotionally.
If you are sick or have a loved one who is...do your research...Google is our friend.
Here is a great start...
About MMS and Jim Humble: www.miraclemineral.org/index.php
MMS and DMSO Transdermal Protocol: www.cancertutor.com/.../Chlorine_Dioxide.html
About DMSO: www.dmso.org/.../icu.htm
For the yahoo wanting peer reviewed research blah blah blah...apparently he has never had to deal with the Medical establishment for any length of time otherwise he'd have enough sense to know they and the FDA could care less about curing anyone of anything...it's the big bucks baby...they want to keep you on the pharmaceutical teat for the rest of your life.
Here are some facts to chew on...In America the cure rate for cancer is 3%...in Germany the cure rate for cancer is over 90%. What is wrong with that picture?
Do you think the FDA cares about you? FDA suppression: [ link to www.google.com]
Take your health into your own hands and get well.
Ava
if you can't use citric acid or vinegar how do you activate it? |
| Avatar
User ID: 575246
12/18/2008 8:52 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
OOPS! I misspoke...you do not use anything with ascorbic acid [vitamin C]. I realize fresh fruit has vitamin C but it is fresh...you should not use the none fresh form.
You can activate MMS with fresh lemons or limes or use what Jim Humble recommends...10% powdered citric acid. You can use vinegar to activate MMS as per the Jim Humble protocol but if you have cancer and are taking MMS for that you should not use vinegar.
You can get the powdered citric acid from the vendors who sell MMS.
I apologize for the confusion.
Ava |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 575296
12/18/2008 10:25 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Hello #574308,
I have asked Jim Humble repeatedly to share his test results and methods, or to share the laboratory tests that he is basing his premise on that ClO2 is selective in killing bacteria.
His comments back to me have included that I should read his book, and that I should review the information on his various web sites. In both cases, there is no proof that chlorine dioxide is selective when it comes to bacteria killing. It seems that he thinks that we should believe this simply because he said it...
This may be good enough for some, but my experience with ClO2 does not support that position. I contacted some industrial laboratories with the idea of having a round of tests done to find which beneficial bacteria chlorine dioxide would not kill. They informed me that I would be throwing away my money and advised against it.
This was informative, but still did not provide me with test results. While I respect their judgment, I decided to run a couple of tests myself.
Please understand that my tests are limited, but I thought I could get an idea, first hand, and then I may pursue further laboratory testing if I came up with contrary results.
I decided to try to make yogurt. My belief was that that yogurt has beneficial bacteria, and if ClO2 did not kill it, there may be something to this "selective" claim.
I was able to make yogurt, the normal way. I then was successful in making yogurt after adding citric acid to the mix. However, when I mixed up a drop of MMS following the MMS protocol and added it to the mix, I was unable to make yogurt and ended up with a sour smelling liquid that did not firm up.
While far from proof positive, I decided to accept the advice of the people at the industrial laboratory and save my money...
Unfortunately, there is virtually no information or studies on how chlorine dioxide works within the body when it is generated from the activation of sodium chlorite as in the MMS protocol. It would be nice if anyone could convince Jim Humble to share the testing and test results that lead him to believe that ClO2 is selective inside the body.
Tom |
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