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| Corpus
User ID: 576942
12/21/2008 9:57 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Chlorine Dioxide is thought to be absorbed into the bloodstream through the stomach which is very acidic and sterile--no flora present.
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[link to www.bhj.org]
In adults the empty stomach is generally sterile. Immediately after a meal it contains numerous organisms which have been ingested with food, but these with the exception of acid resistant vegetative bacilli and sporing bacteria, appear to be killed rapidly. If however the motility of the stomach is excessive or the acidity is less than normal, this sterilizing effect of gastric juice is incomplete. Thus, in cases of gastric disease particularly carcinoma, saranae, saprophytic bacilli and other organisms may multiply in the stomach.
In the healthy adult the jejunum and upper ileum are practically sterile.
The number of organisms mainly facultatively anaerobic Streptococci viridans, staphylococci, lactobacilli and fungi increase from the stomach to the ileocaecal valve beyond which the flora becomes much more abundant and qualitatively deficient. The duodenum may contain 100-1000 organisms per ml, the jejunum 1000-10,000, the upper ileum about 1,00,000 and the lower ileum 1,000,000, but there is a lot of variation from sample to sample. |
| Corpus
User ID: 576942
12/21/2008 11:11 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
300 ppm chlorine dioxide (equivalent to 15 drops activated MMS)studied in rats (humans are larger) by CMA.
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[link to www.epa.gov]
page 20:
The Chemical Manufacturers Association (CMA) conducted a two-generation study to examine reproductive, developmental neurotoxicity, and hematologic endpoints in rats exposed to sodium chlorite (CMA, 1996). Thirty male and 30 female Sprague-Dawley rats of the OFA(SD)IOPS-Caw strain (F0) generation received drinking water containing 35, 70, or 300 ppm sodium chlorite (concentrations of sodium chlorite in the drinking water were apparently adjusted to compensate for the 81.4% purity of the test material) for 10 weeks and were then paired (1M:1F) for mating.
page 33:
Chlorine dioxide in drinking water rapidly degrades to chlorite; in the Michael et al. (1981) study, chlorine dioxide rapidly disappeared from the stored water (within 2–4 hours) and chlorite levels concomitantly increased. Once absorbed, chlorine dioxide and chlorite are cleared from the blood at similar rates and are similarly distributed throughout the body (Abdel-Rahman et al., 1979b, 1982). Additionally, chloride is the major in vivo degradation product of both chlorine dioxide and chlorite. Available data suggest that chlorine dioxide and chlorite have similar targets of toxicity and potencies. Therefore, the toxicity information for chlorite is relevant to deriving an RfD for chlorine dioxide.
The CMA (1996) two-generation study was selected as the critical study for the development of an RfD for both chlorine dioxide and chlorite. Both in its study report (CMA 1996) and in a later journal article (Gill et al., 2000), CMA reported that the study defined a NOAEL of 70 ppm (6 mg/kg-day chlorite) and a LOAEL of 300 ppm (28.6 mg/kg-day chlorite) based on hematologic toxicity.
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In general, human ingestion studies have found no adverse effects in adults and neonates living in areas with chlorine dioxide-disinfected water. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 575296
12/21/2008 8:01 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Hello Corpus,
Chlorine Dioxide is thought to be absorbed into the bloodstream through the stomach which is very acidic and sterile--no flora present.
----------------- Quoting: Corpus 576942
As you have indicated, there is some speculation on the possibility of chlorine dioxide entering the blood stream. Unfortunately, since there is no method available to measure chlorine dioxide in the blood (or the body), it remains speculation.
Chlorine dioxide is a gas and is extremely unstable. We do know that it breaks down into chlorite ions, and those levels can be measured. It is unclear where the conversion from chlorine dioxide to chlorite takes place, but chlorite ions are absorbed into the blood stream and all of the bodies organs, including the brain.
In animals, radioactive isotopes were attached to the chlorite ions and it was determined that the half life of the chlorite ions in the animals body was around 30 hours. This also allowed for the detection of the chlorite ions in the various organs.
Unfortunately, there are no similar studies involving humans.
I also find it interesting that after following the MMS protocol, I am aware of people having their feces checked and finding no bacteria present at all. It is speculated that the chlorine dioxide or chlorite ions killed off everything... Fortunately, the bacteria presence returned after terminating MMS and ingesting some probiotics.
Tom |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 575296
12/22/2008 1:30 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Hello again Corpus,
300 ppm chlorine dioxide (equivalent to 15 drops activated MMS)studied in rats (humans are larger) by CMA.
-------------- Quoting: Corpus 576942
MMS is 28% technical grade sodium chlorite. Since technical grade is only about 80% pure, it is actually 22.4% sodium chlorite.
22.4% sodium chlorite has 224000 PPM available chlorine dioxide. Since the activation is only about 60% effective, we end up with 134400 PPM of available chlorine dioxide.
Since MMS has a specific gravity of about 1.2, when using the MMS bottle dropper you end up with about 17 drops per ml. If you fill an MMS bottle with water, you get 20 drops per ml, so this is showing a very good correlation.
15 drops of MMS is actually 0.882 ml. If we add 0.882 ml of 22.4% sodium chlorite to 1 liter of water, we end up with a liter of solution with just under 120 PPM available chlorine dioxide. If that solution is added to only 200 ml of water, following the MMS protocol, we end up with a solution with about 600 PPM available chlorine dioxide.
In the CMA study, sodium chlorite was used and it was not activated. In order to get a 300 PPM solution you would need about 2.2 ml of MMS in 1 liter of water. Since the MMS protocol only involves around 200 ml of water, this would have to be adjusted down to 0.44 ml of MMS which is around 7.5 drops.
At 7.5 drops of unactivated MMS in 200 ml of water, the CMA study discovered that this was the lowest adverse effect level in rats. At this level, they began to see adverse effects in their study.
They go on to state that the no adverse effect level is 70 PPM. This works out to about 0.1 ml of MMS in 200 ml of water, which is about 1.7 drops. Once you exceed this amount of MMS, you are above the LOAEL found in the study.
Now, let's look at the chlorine dioxide concentrations used in the studies with humans. First of all, the chlorine dioxide was prepared by totally activating all of the available chlorine dioxide in a chlorite solution, then the chlorine dioxide was added to the water to form the desired concentration. This is chlorine dioxide technology, and is a lot different from the way the chlorine dioxide is produced in the MMS protocol.
The Lubbers study involved humans drinking a 24 PPM chlorine dioxide solution in two 500 ml doses. This can be made by fully activating 0.18 ml of MMS (about 30 drops) and adding that to 1 liter of water. This dose was only given once.
In the extended Lubbers study, the dose was 5 PPM chlorine dioxide and this was given for 12 weeks. The dose involved having a concentration of 5 PPM chlorine dioxide in 500 ml of water. Using MMS we can make this same solution by fully activating 0.0186 ml (about 0.3 drops) and adding this to 500 ml of water.
Unfortunately, the MMS protocol generates chlorine dioxide differently, and uses much higher concentrations than fractional drops. If the MMS protocol only involved concentrations of 5 PPM chlorine dioxide, we could embrace the findings of the Lubbers 12 week study. We also could speculate on the CMA study and take a 70 PPM chlorine dioxide solution once, which is similar to the method that Jim Humble used when working with people with malaria. However, instead of sticking to the NOAEL of 70 PPM, Jim Humble is recommending a dose that has about 600 PPM. As I mentioned before, there are no studies involving these high concentrations of chlorine dioxide looking at what effects they have inside the body.
Tom |
| Corpus
User ID: 577584
12/22/2008 12:19 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Hello again Corpus, --------snip-----
Unfortunately, the MMS protocol generates chlorine dioxide differently, and uses much higher concentrations than fractional drops. If the MMS protocol only involved concentrations of 5 PPM chlorine dioxide, we could embrace the findings of the Lubbers 12 week study. We also could speculate on the CMA study and take a 70 PPM chlorine dioxide solution once, which is similar to the method that Jim Humble used when working with people with malaria. However, instead of sticking to the NOAEL of 70 PPM, Jim Humble is recommending a dose that has about 600 PPM. As I mentioned before, there are no studies involving these high concentrations of chlorine dioxide looking at what effects they have inside the body. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 575296
Hi Tom,
Thanks for the more exact number crunching, and I agree with them.
It is hard to determine just how much chlorine dioxide is assimulated though. I generally burp a few times after a 15 drop activated dose (especially on an empty stomach), and I assume the released gas to be both chlorine and chlorine dioxide. Quite a bit more of the chlorine dioxide would be neutralized by combining to food. I agree that clinical measurements of blood level concentrations of chlorine dioxide at different dose levels and conditions would be extremely beneficial information.
As a healthy person (age 56), I used myself as a human guinea pig over a year ago taking 15+ drop doses 2-3 times a day for about a month, which did wear me down (oxidative stress). Then I cut back to 5-10 drops once a day for several months as maintenance. Now I occasionally have a five drop dose if I feel puny, and I take one probiotic capsule maybe every week or so. I eat healthy and exercise too.
I don't get sick, but I wouldn't hesitate to take MMS if I got ill. I have friends and relatives that have used MMS for successfully treating everything from colds to MRSA! However, I also now advise folks to use MMS only when you are sick, and only at maintenance dose levels unless you are really deathly ill.
I'm very glad to have MMS in my disease fighting arsenal, and I'm not afraid to use it even at high doses if I had to.
However, I would also very much like to see good science and case studies in the mean time. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 575296
12/22/2008 2:16 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Hello Corpus,
It sounds like we are very close to being on the same page regarding the MMS protocol. My big concern is the long term effects of oxidative stress on the body.
It is plausible that a single higher concentration dose, or even two doses may be beneficial in some cases, but based on everything I can find so far, the long term use of MMS, following the MMS protocol, is not advisable. I think that even the recommended maintenance dose is too high.
Externally, dilute sodium chlorite solutions and chlorine dioxide can work wonders in keeping wounds for becoming infected, and a solution with chlorine dioxide is a wonderful disinfectant in the kitchen or bathroom. If you venture out in the wilderness, chlorine dioxide is an excellent way to disinfect your drinking water.
If you are interested in long term maintenance, you can make an excellent mouthwash by adding 1.5 ml of MMS, unactivated, to 250 ml of water. When you "swish" with this solution, the acids in your mouth activate it and trace amounts of chlorine dioxide are released. This means that only as much chlorine dioxide that is needed is released. You can even add a drop of mint extract for a more refreshing taste.
Not only will you benefit from excellent oral hygiene, but you may also absorb trace amounts of sodium chlorite and chlorine dioxide through the gum's and lining of the mouth. Chlorine dioxide is so powerful that this trace amount may be all that is necessary for long term maintenance.
Tom |
| Corpus
User ID: 577584
12/22/2008 5:56 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Hi Tom,
I fish often in Corpus and it is usually very hot and dehydrating (though not for a few weeks right now). I reuse half-gallon plastic juice containers that I fill with ice cubes and water for a long hot day's fishing, and I always put in a few drops of unactivated MMS to keep the water germ free. I never feel anything so it's not like taking activated MMS at all, but I probably get a little chlorine dioxide benefit from it too.
For external use, nothing beats BLEACH diluted at least by 10 parts water to 1 part Clorox equivalent--Dakin's Solution without the baking soda and boiled water.
[link to doreen.mkbmemorial.com]
For cleaning counters and bathroom fixtures, I keep a 50% bleach/water solution in a spray bottle with a little dish soap mixed in for a wetting agent. Dirt cheap and works great!
Back to MMS: I agree that a healthy person doesn't need a steady maintenance dose regimen, and I don't think long-term use (several months) is advisable, but I don't have any qualms about taking a few drops for a few days or more to kill some bug.
Corpus |
| d-rail
User ID: 580560
12/27/2008 11:47 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
HI I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE INFO ABOUT YOUR SON JOHN WHO IS A HOLISTIC M.D. WHO YOU SAY IS TREATING HPV AND GENITAL WARTS
[ link to mmsexposed.weebly.com]
Bull about Bumble!
Jim started his career in the Aerospace industry where he quickly became a research engineer. He worked on the first intercontinental missile, the moon vehicle, wrote instruction manuals for the first vacuum tube computers, set up experiments for A-bomb explosions, worked on secret radio control electronics, set up experiments in electrical generation by magneto hydro dynamics, complete wired the first machine to be controlled by computers at Hughes aircraft company and invented the first automatic garage door opener.
By the Failofficer telling you it's all your fault!
Being “ill” is a great opportunity to discover, not what is “wrong,” or what to blame.... “Sickness” is a great incentive and opportunity to practice discovering and expanding our connection to the power and reality where healing takes place, within the all-encompassing dimension and omniband harmonic frequency of Spirit.
Spirit is part of the Matrix that is accessed through awareness, by achieving a harmonic state within one’s self. Before a “disease” can be healed, it must be accepted as one’s own creation. This is the only way to become free of it. Understanding that our diseases are our creation, and not the work of some evil or nefarious “other,” or “bad luck,” allows us to forgive ourselves for all the negative assumptions and thoughts we’ve erroneously projected toward others. If you are ready and willing to do that unconditionally, then you are ready and able to heal.
I also mentione a M.D. named JOHN EDWARD HUMISTON, MD. He is licensed in CA and here is basic info on his license:
License Number: A83402
License Status: LICENSE RENEWED & CURRENT
Public Record Actions: NONE AVAILABLE ON WEB SITE
Original Issue Date: JUNE 04, 2003
Expiration Date: OCTOBER 31, 2008
Address: 511 E SAN YSIDRO BLVD #1008
SAN YSIDRO, CA 92173-3110
County: SAN DIEGO
He works for the William Hitt Center (a huge can of worms, but another time), in Tijuana. Imagine some of the worst treatments you can, and that's what they do. In his own father's words
...My son John is an alternative holistic M.D. who successfully gets rid of his patients’ HPV virus infections with a combination of (1) intramuscular injections of their own filtered urine which stimulates cytokine modulating proteins (an ingredient of Immunocal Platinum) and (2) intravenous ozone (which kills viruses). He gets rid of the genital warts with nokah, an Iroquois Indian herbal “black salve” which dissolves any skin growths which are cancerous or infected. Because his treatments have not been “approved”, he practices just across the border in Mexico. There are other obvious ways to avoid cervical cancer, but they are not “approved” either....
Dr. John E. Humiston received his degree from the Medical College of Wisconsin. He completed a residency program in family practice at Naval Hospital, Camp Pendleton, California, and also served as a battalion surgeon with the U.S. Marine Corps infantry for two years. Dr. Humiston has been board certified in family practice since 2000. He served as department head of outpatient medicine at Naval Hospital Keflavik, Iceland until leaving the Navy in 2003 and joining the William Hitt Center. Dr. Humiston is known for his work in Candida, chronic fatigue and related disorders.
Also, we shouldn't forget Dr. Hesslink, who has "researched" chlorine oxides for us:
[ link to bioredox.mysite.com]
Thomas L. Hesselink, MD of Aurora, Illinois
* The information presented within these articles and accompanying communications is offered for legitimate educational and research purposes only.
* This exists as an exercise of the author's constitutional rights to freedom of speech and to freedom of the press.
* Nothing herein may be construed as providing:
medical advice, manufacturing advice, business advice, nor any advice whatsoever, nor endorsement of any kind.
* No claims, guarantees nor promises of suitability or efficacy for any purpose are made.
* The reader is further required and should agree not to aid nor to abet any deceptive, fraudulent, or illegal activity pertaining to any information obtained herein.
Sort of a strange disclaimer.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 586525
1/5/2009 10:52 AM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 588854
1/8/2009 2:35 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 586525
Hi everyone. There is a new Jim Humble interview from Project Camelot on YouTube, you must see it. It is impressive.
[link to www.youtube.com]
Search words: project camelot & Jim Humble, should take you to the link. |
| nickatnoon
User ID: 591844
1/13/2009 1:10 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
I don't know why you tell, that the first book is all we need, when clearly all the real data, not some mumbo jumbo, is in the second book. Which of course is for money only. It makes me sick. If the cure is real, then make the second book for free, and then when I can verify the data and if it's true, I'll send you tripple the amount that you ask for. And so will everybody else, I am sure... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 299754
iF THIS CHEMICAL DOES WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING IT DOES, THE BOOK IS WORTH 10 TIMES THE PRICE.Most people are greedy SOBs and would not contribute a nickel once they have the book for FREE! Unfortunately that is the SAD REALITY of it! |
| nickatnoon
User ID: 591844
1/13/2009 1:48 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
I will only sell it for what I have to pay for it as well. Quoting: gooderboy
Goodonya boy! What cud be more GOODER than that!!! LOL I have been using a SIMILAR product called Aerobic Oxygen for around 25 years, and I RARELY get sick. I HAVE NOT BEEN SICK AT ALL FOR 10 YEARS,since using my own COLLOIDAL SILVER.... sparingly now! H2O2 is much cheaper,and just as effective, but leaves a bleach taste. The key is not overdoing it if you are NOT ill! FOLLOW jIM hUMBLES directions for use, and you probably won't go wrong. NOTHING BEATS EXPERIENCE!!!! (; |
| rken
User ID: 573794
1/20/2009 6:00 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
please note this study which shows that MMS does not harm beneficial bacteria in the bowels.
When fed in low doses, sodium chlorate kills Salmonella typhimurium and Escherichia coli O157:H7 in pigs and cows. Agricultural Research Service scientists in College Station, Texas, have shown that levels of these harmful bacteria can be reduced in the intestinal tract of pigs and cows if they're given sodium chlorate before slaughter.
"Because the gut and lymph tissue of meat animals and chickens are major reservoirs for Salmonella and E. coli O157:H7, this research offers a practical approach for reducing on-farm concentrations of these pathogens," says David J. Nisbet, an ARS microbiologist and research leader for the Food and Feed Safety Research Unit in College Station. Fewer bacterial pathogens in the gut can significantly reduce the chance of carcass contamination during food processing.
These two bacteria--culprits in most cases of human food poisoning--can live both aerobically and anaerobically, that is, with or without air. That makes them different from most gut bacteria, which are anaerobes.
Salmonella and E. coli O157:H7 contain an enzyme known as a respiratory nitrate reductase. This enzyme coincidentally converts the chlorate to chlorite, which kills the harmful bacteria. Beneficial bacteria in the intestinal tract lack respiratory nitrate reductase, so they are not affected by the addition of chlorate. The cost of using sodium chlorate at a meat processing facility could be less than 10 cents per pig, estimates ARS microbiologist Robin C. Anderson. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 574748
1/20/2009 6:59 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
My experience for the last year and 4 month.
The 45 drops a day is too much (for me at least) 8 in the morning, and 8 around 5pm works best.
I'm treating hep c; the goal is to kill virus which in this case replicate every 12 hours. This method works for me; I know this because after about 48 hours, liver pain develops w/out mms.
Those who say long term use is not good, could be correct, but its still better than none.
The best way I find to use it, is to mix with lemon juice. I do not have a good experience with citric acid.
I got severe liver pain, and I don't even want to try that again.
Secondly, the goal is to kill, and then nourish and heal.
So a good protocol is to take it in the morning, and then take anti-oxidants all day.
Take mms in the early evening, then a does of anti-oxidants late.
I take melatonin for sleep, so mms is not good to take near that, or any other medication. -That causes toxicity.
I have no problem taking mms, 1/2 hour after 2 cups of coffee/cream/honey; and it still works well.
I take 400 mcg selenium, e, 1-2,000 mg of c with 1/2 teaspoon baking soda (Bobs Red Mill- aluminum free) alpha lipoic acid. -(getting ready to try a new form of ala from life extension foundation, said to be 30 times more absorbable) milk thistle, curcumin. lots of veg juice as part of a good diet. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 597217
1/20/2009 1:43 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Hello Rken,
That is a very interesting study. Let's take a detailed look at it.
First of all, it involves unactivated sodium chlorate (NaClO3). MMS involves activating sodium chlorite (NaClO2).
Sodium chlorite (MMS) is over 4 times more toxic than the sodium chlorate used in this study. This is from the LD50 for rats information on both chemicals.
Now let's look at how this sodium chlorate solution works. It appears that when it comes into contact with the pathogen, the nitrate reductase reaction reduces chlorate to form the "cytotoxic end-product chlorite." This means that the reductase reaction is what activates the chlorate solution, and this activation is done as needed inside the body.
Note that cytotoxic means toxic to cells.
MMS is a little different. The sodium chlorite solution is activated before ingestion and forms chlorine dioxide. Once the solution is ingested, the chlorine dioxide (and chlorous acid) quickly form chlorite. This is the same cytotoxic chlorite, but in this case the pathogens are not activating it, but it is pre-activated and storms into the body killing all bacteria both good and bad.
On a side note, I noticed that ingesting sodium chlorate did not seem to effect the PH of the cows. I wonder how people, who are trying to alkalize their bodies, feel about ingesting the MMS solution that has a PH of about 4...
With my tongue firmly pressed into my cheek, I feel that I would be totally remiss if I didn't also point out the long term effects of the cattle ingesting the sodium chlorate solution... they were slaughtered... [smile icon]
Tom |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 597217
1/20/2009 1:48 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Hello #574748,
The difference between lemon juice and citric acid is that 10% citric acid is much stronger than lemon juice, actually more than twice as strong.
If you want to try using citric acid, cut the drops of MMS in half and you should end up with about the same strength solution.
Tom |
| Sol_Suorovinrac
User ID: 603520
1/29/2009 2:17 PM
 | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Methylsulfonylmethane (MSM), also known as dimethyl sulfone, is an organosulfur compound with the formula (CH3)2SO2. Sounds excellent. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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| new to mms
User ID: 603607
1/29/2009 3:24 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Hi,
I have purchased mms and have started using it. I am up to 8 drops 1 x a day. I can't get past the taste! It is making me gag. I am feeling pretty bad most of the day with a headache and sleep 2-3 hours during the day. Does this sound normal? I feel much worse since starting it, and found I don't have more energy....I have less. I ready on one of the posts you can mix it up and put it on your skin. Does this work as well? Do you leave it on your skin?
Also, if you stop taking it for a couple days, do the parasites, bacteria etc come back so that you are almost starting over again when you start the mms again? I had to skip a day because of the taste.
any comments would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 597217
1/29/2009 10:18 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Hello New to mms,
Jim Humble reported that he had 100% success using a solution with a concentration of 1 PPM chlorine dioxide when working with people who were suffering with malaria. He also states several times in his various web sites that his solution contains a concentration of 1 - 2 PPM chlorine dioxide.
Unfortunately, he has changed the protocol and is not using a much stronger acid and it appears that he forgot to adjust for that.
If you would like to check out a 1 - 2 PPM chlorine dioxide solution, put 3 drops in a glass and activate it. Now, add enough water to it to make 1 liter of solution. The 1 liter dilution will have about 2 PPM free ClO2. You will be surprised that there is very little odor and taste.
Tom |
| new to mms
User ID: 603607
1/30/2009 8:38 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Hi Tom,
So what you are saying is just activate 3 drops and add it to a litre of water and drink as normal? Do you still continue to try to get to 15 drops per day (actually x time a day)?
For me the smell was so bad, I could taste the smell walking into the room an hour later.
So from what I understand is you can use less drops and still get the same results. Do you need the higher level of drops -15 - to kill off all parasites and bacteria? if it can do it at the lower levels why do you need to increase?
Sorry about all the questions...I would like to continue with the drops, but I know at the higher levels I just won't be able to.
Thanks for your help |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 597217
1/30/2009 5:18 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Hello New to mms,
What I am saying is that there is some discrepancy here. On one hand Jim Humble reports 100% success with a dose that has a concentration of 1 - 2 PPM chlorine dioxide. On the other hand his protocol calls for mixing doses much stronger than that.
The next question that comes up is what is involved with the improvements reported? Jim Humble says that the chlorine dioxide is what is doing the work, so this would mean that the number of drops has nothing to do with anything. All you have to do is get enough to produce a concentration of 1 - 2 PPM ClO2 and you are good to go.
On the other hand, Dr. Hesselink discusses the need to ingest an amount of sodium chlorite proportional to your body weight. I don't think he understands that when the sodium chlorite is activated you end up with chlorous acid. It could be that Jim Humble is wrong and the real work is being done by the chlorous acid and the chlorine dioxide is just along for the ride.
Dr. Hesselink has done no testing, and is simply offering educated theories based on what he can find in literature searches. He does have a medical background, so I tend to pay attention to his work, but I am not sure he knows what is going on either. The fact is that more formal testing is needed to understand what is going on.
When you discuss this with medical professionals, they say that chlorine dioxide is a toxic gas and should not be ingested. It works extremely well at disinfecting water and counter tops, and does a good job topically disinfecting wounds and fungus growth, but inside the body it will kill both good and bad bacteria and could throw your GI tract out of balance.
Unfortunately, Jim Humble is the only source of information on the healing powers of ingesting a chlorine dioxide solution, and I have not been able to verify most of his data, and he doesn't want to share his test results that prove his protocol and choice of strength of chemicals used.
Jim Humble says that he has been using MMS and following the MMS protocol for about 10 years now. Industry has been using these chemicals longer than that.
Jim Humble says that he did a lot of testing to determine the best way to activate MMS. When asked for his test data that shows how effective his activation method is, he simply says to read the information on his web sites and read his book.
Industry has also looked at how to produce chlorine dioxide. They run tests, publish articles, and submit their results for review. When someone wants to use their products, they make sure that you are schooled in the most effectve way to use them. They employ chemical engineers, microbiologists, industrial hygienists, and medical professionals to make sure their products work as advertised and are not harmful is used as detailed, and the do a lot of testing to verify all of this.
Jim Humble is an inventor and prospector. He says that he doesn't fully understand chemistry and states that no one has died of taking MMS. His proof that it works is that some people have told him that they feel better after taking it. Yet there are a lot of people that are still sick after taking it, and Jim Humble's response to them is that they haven't taken it long enough or used strong enough concentrations.
I don't think Jim Humble has the resources to start from scratch with his testing, but he could at least review what the industrial people have done and run targeted specific tests that apply to what he is trying to do. Instead he falls back on the claim that chlorine dioxide has been used for years in water purification, so it must be safe for human ingestion.
Two things. First, review the studies done on disinfecting drinking water and take note of the concentrations of chlorine dioxide being used. Secondly, review those same studies and note how the chlorine dioxide was produced.
You will find that there is no similarity between what is done in water treatment and the MMS protocol.
All of this leads me to the conclusion that the current MMS protocol is flawed. Jim Humble is paranoid. He is living in Mexico because he fears the FDA. When he felt pressure from the FDA, he shut down his web sites to revise them. Perhaps he will address all of these issues and then we can take another look at what he is doing.
As for now, if you want to be part of the "grand experiment," you will have to decide how to proceed. I think it would be better to work with solutions that have a concentration of 1 - 2 PPM chlorine dioxide, but I have no proof that they are effective when taking internally. I also have no proof that they are better than the high concentration doses that are involved in the MMS protocol. Finally, I have no proof that they are less effective either.
I can share some observations...
When people first start out taking MMS, they report an increase in energy and improvement. Then as the increase the amount of drops, they get nausea and have diarrhea. When they finish the protocol, they drop back down to a lower level and once again report that they feel better.
I think they should go until they notice their energy increase and then just stay there. I also think that you should have base line blood work done prior to starting with MMS, and periodically while using it.
We have found that if you mix up a 1 -2 PPM concentration of ClO2 in a liter bottle and sip on it throughout the day, it seems that your energy levels increase. However, no one has looked at the long term effects of this, so tread carefully. I do know that as a topical application this stuff works great. It is also great for disinfecting drinking water when you are in the wilderness.
Hope this helps... [smile icon]
Tom |
| new to mms
User ID: 603607
1/31/2009 10:45 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Tom,
Thank you for all of the information! It really gives me something to think about. As I know there are always two sides to every story. As much as we want to beleive there is a 1 type fix to everything...it doesn't work that way.
My confusion is when if you can kill a bacteria at a lower dose...why do you need to increase it...to the point of naseau.
I will try to continue at a lower dose and hope that is it doing something. I stopped for 2 days with any mms, and have felt much better. My energy has returned as well as my well-being. I am not sure if this is due to some part of parasite reduction, or the fact that I don't have to take the nasty stuff again...LOL.
It is psycholigical...if I know I have to take it and it tastes awful...I dread it...but if i know I don't I feel better.
It is confusing to say the least. One last question....if you take lower doses can it kill the parasites/bacteria....or do you need to go to the higher does to do this?
I really appreciate all of the info in your last post...it is very informative and well thought out.
D |
| BelgianBoy
User ID: 391384
2/1/2009 8:17 AM
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Tom,
Thank you for all of the information! It really gives me something to think about. As I know there are always two sides to every story. As much as we want to beleive there is a 1 type fix to everything...it doesn't work that way.
My confusion is when if you can kill a bacteria at a lower dose...why do you need to increase it...to the point of naseau.
I will try to continue at a lower dose and hope that is it doing something. I stopped for 2 days with any mms, and have felt much better. My energy has returned as well as my well-being. I am not sure if this is due to some part of parasite reduction, or the fact that I don't have to take the nasty stuff again...LOL.
It is psycholigical...if I know I have to take it and it tastes awful...I dread it...but if i know I don't I feel better.
It is confusing to say the least. One last question....if you take lower doses can it kill the parasites/bacteria....or do you need to go to the higher does to do this?
I really appreciate all of the info in your last post...it is very informative and well thought out.
D Quoting: new to mms 603607
If I read Jim well, he says to increase to the point of nausea or diarhea, which is a form of "herxing", but then go to a lower dose when this occurs.
What this means is that you look for the right dose by getting to the "herxing" point and then pull back from that dose one step. That should be the "right" dose.
Thoughts anyone?
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| x-factor
User ID: 1595
2/1/2009 1:05 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Some lab reports do suggest, that overuse of MMS, especially with weaker patients, can disrupt the immune system and there may be indications of MMS affecting mucous glands to some degee.
The MMS effect aparently benefits with the added use of vitamine B3 and energising the bottle of MMS with e.g.a purple plate, magnets, tachyon stones, Grander energiser. |
| Anonymous Coward
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2/1/2009 4:14 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Hello D,
I wish I could answer your question, but this information is just not known. No one knows what chlorine dioxide or the chlorite ion does inside the human body as far as a "healing treatment" goes. There is more information on unactivated sodium chlorite, but even that is hard to quantify.
It does not appear the Jim Humble is going to do any work on this, so I have been suggesting that people go to their medical professionals and have a series of base line tests done. At the same time they can confirm their diagnosis. Then they can continue with their treatment and when they think they have improved, they can go back for confirmation that it has worked.
This is kind of a hit and miss approach, but it may be possible to piece something together from this. I feel this is a much more responsible approach than simply going on the comments from others that state that they felt much better after a raging bout of diarrhea...
While you are trying to figure out what you are going to do, here are some things to ponder...
The levels of chlorine dioxide involved with the MMS protocol are used in industry to treat dead animal parts to keep them from spoiling in transit and at the market until purchased. These parts receive a single 30 - 60 second spray of these chemicals. This is very effective in reducing or eliminating bacteria on poultry, beef, and seafood. The point to keep in mind is that there is only one brief shot applied, and it lasts for around 15 days.
Next let's look at water treatment. If your water comes from a lake, have you ever noticed the amount of wildlife active around the lake? All of those geese and ducks and deer do their best to contaminate the water, and all of this bacteria needs to be disinfected from the water before we drink it. Water treatment is using concentrations in the 2 - 5 PPM chlorine dioxide range. This is much lower than what is produced in the MMS protocol, and it is very effective at disinfecting water.
I think you should consider if your condition is more similar to a dead body carcasses, or contaminated water?
Tom |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 597217
2/1/2009 4:38 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Hello BelgianBoy,
I work around hazardous chemicals, including sodium chlorite and chlorine dioxide.
What Jim Humble referrers to as "herxing," we call chlorine dioxide poisoning.
This is from people who are industrial hygienists, medical doctors, chemical engineers, chemists, and some of these people are also inventors.
Please understand that I am not saying that there is no such thing as a "herx" reaction, its just that I am not a trained medical professional and I don't feel qualified to make that call. I am trained as a first responder in the event of a chemical spill, and from my perspective it looks like a mild form of chlorine dioxide poisoning. I might add that I may have more training than Jim Humble has, but I don't know that for sure.
Since you asked for thoughts, here is something to consider...
Why not start of very low, then keep a journal of your energy level. When you find your energy increasing, stay at that level and enjoy life. I really don't think there is anything magical about pushing on to 15 drops. The goal should be to experience an increase in well being and energy.
Tom |
| BelgianBoy
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2/2/2009 3:07 AM
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Thanks, Tom.
I feel the same as you. I had some strange "herxing" effects which I want to avoid. At low dose (2-3 drops) my energy level and sleep quality does improve a lot, and that's just fine by me.
The reason I started the protocol was that I was infected in the early 60ties with a mild form of malaria when visiting the south of Spain. This gives me bouts of high fever 2 or 3 times a year. Nothing dangerous but annoying and I really feel sick for a day or two.
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| Elin
User ID: 606691
2/3/2009 3:54 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Thanks, Tom.
I feel the same as you. I had some strange "herxing" effects which I want to avoid. At low dose (2-3 drops) my energy level and sleep quality does improve a lot, and that's just fine by me.
The reason I started the protocol was that I was infected in the early 60ties with a mild form of malaria when visiting the south of Spain. This gives me bouts of high fever 2 or 3 times a year. Nothing dangerous but annoying and I really feel sick for a day or two. Quoting: BelgianBoy
I've been taking it for ten days, building up to 10 drops but having severe runny shits. The first 4 drops I felt more allert and energized. After that I became generally unwell. Now I've cut back to 4 drops to see what happens. I am only 47 KG so that might be enough for my little frame.
I've started applying the sollutions (4 drops, 20 acid and 10 dl of water to my skin, which is covered in rash) I did this twice and the result is overwhelming. I never had a result so fast and obvious before. I will keep posting further results. I started taking because I suffer from LE, the "light" version of SLE. Which keeps me from working, cause I gave up medicines prescibed long time ago after a liver posioning. I rather die of LE than of the complications the meds give me. |
| new to mms
User ID: 603607
2/3/2009 8:01 AM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Lots of great info...thanks! I think it makes sense to keep the drops at what your body feels best at. Not sure if I missed something but I still don't understand the reasoning behind trying to get to 15 drops....does something magical happen at this dose??
Erin, it would be nice if you posted your results from your skin rash....did you wash the solution off or just leave it on to dry.
d |
| Elin
User ID: 606691
2/3/2009 1:57 PM | | Re: Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century | Quote |
Elin, it would be nice if you posted your results from your skin rash....did you wash the solution off or just leave it on to dry.
Hi, I don't wash it off. I apply it after I washed my face and let it dry.
I will slowly build up the dose, I want to follow the protocol, up to 15 drops 3 times a day. for a week. Then I will take 4/6 drops 2 a day until I feel optimal. Don't like to take anything for life, only when there's a need.
My LUPUS problems (the past 20 years) have been: Infections of skin areas, joints, muscles and nerves, liver and kidneys(previous when on regular meds like Prednisolon (real poison-wriecking both liver and kidneys). Infections leaving some of my joints damaged for life. There's already major improvement of the joints/pains. After 2 days, when on 3 drops twice there was a twitch for more or less than 48 hours in my shoulder. Never had this before but wasn't scared...just let it happen. Then it went and I didn't have such a good shoulder for at least 7 years! This is a huge improvement, I couldn't sleep on my right side for years. I've been lying on it for a few times now, about an hour on end. The butterfly rash which is well known to LE/SLE patients came up again last week, it dried out and went as quick as it came. I had nothing to loose and want to try and experience it on my own acount. Keep in mind I gave up seeing "professional (killers) doctors" 5 years ago. Haven't taken any meds, been eating vegetarian and very low sugar and aspartame, MSG free foods only. This probably has benefits as well (I didn't die!!). Still having a battle with both breast infected (the glands) Looks sexy ;---) the swolen boobs, but very painful, I am curious to find out when that will go away.
Enough for now...
The sollutions are simple and cheap, but the pharmaceuticals will continue to kill people and generate money like no other business on this planet. You got to rise up and use common sense, be courageous and trust your intuition. Excuse my language...My English is not too good without spell check. |
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