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STARTREK: The FERENGI: anti-Semitic characters?

 
Anonymous Coward
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What is really ironic about the Ferengi - jewish comments is that the writers of Star Trek over 20 years ago clearly felt that Americans where the closest human analogy to Ferengi and flat out said so when they introduced the specie. This has shown to be almost prophetic given how the United States' selfish greed in the last few years has sewered it's own economy so badly that it is dragging down other more responsible nations with it. All of this under the watch full gaze of true WASP American Presidents like Bush Jr., Clinton and Bush Sr.
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The Ferengi represented Capitalism. The Federation represented communism..
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What ive always found troubling about star trek is the predominance of white actors. Pretty much all the humanoid races are clearly based on white models. There are many episodes where the crew encounter "human 2.0" that is species which resemble humans quite closely but are superior such as the telepathic children or Aldeans or those Aryans from TNG. Again all white. The federation is without doubt a white American organisation with its heroes and main men being white.
The star trek universe is one in which white man is the ultimate in human evolution and that point is driven home constantly but subtly.
Cisko and Chakotay are probably the best examples of ethnic actors who are not emasculated or sidelined or made to play sidekick. But even chakotay ends up reverting to stereotype. Cisko doesnt escape either with his explosive temper as exploited by Q.
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A contract is a contract is a contract, but only among Ferengi.
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What ive always found troubling about star trek is the predominance of white actors. Pretty much all the humanoid races are clearly based on white models. There are many episodes where the crew encounter "human 2.0" that is species which resemble humans quite closely but are superior such as the telepathic children or Aldeans or those Aryans from TNG. Again all white. The federation is without doubt a white American organisation with its heroes and main men being white.
The star trek universe is one in which white man is the ultimate in human evolution and that point is driven home constantly but subtly.
Cisko and Chakotay are probably the best examples of ethnic actors who are not emasculated or sidelined or made to play sidekick. But even chakotay ends up reverting to stereotype. Cisko doesnt escape either with his explosive temper as exploited by Q.
 Quoting: Man in a shed 7130843


White people are the ultimate in human evolution, so far. You can find it "troubling" if you like, but it is what it is.

The only thing I find a little nasty, is the tendency for black people to be cast in roles that die horribly. As soon as a new character pops up, and he is black, I start counting the minutes until he dies...

This holds not only in Star Trek, but in Hollywood productions in general. They do have a small stable of black "stars" that are immune to this effect, for political correctness. But all other blacks are disposable cannon fodder.

And that's racist, dammit.
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They are Mormons
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08/11/2014 07:22 AM
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Anyone that has seen star trek knows that the ferengi are space-jews.

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The ferengi characters in Deep Space 9 were all played by Jews, so in a way you are right.
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The Ferengi are displayed with sort of some good left in their hears though (like Quark especially, he is a good guy in his heart).
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I've always thought this and how the characters were based off some WWII propaganda pictures or something?

That said, the Klingons are definitely Africans, well, obviously not when they cast Max Von Sidow and Christopher Lloyd in the movie versions, but look at their own profile.

They can't create technology of their own, having to get it from the Romulans. Warlike, aggressive, loud, not as developed as others yet, somehow, they are still a part of the Federation?

Interesting show indeed.
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In Startrek Deep Space 9, the characters called the Ferengi were called ant-semitic because they closely depicted the stereotype of Jews. They were called "Space Jews" because they resembled both the physical and cultural stereotypes of Jews. WHAT this true or was it calling a race card? Read on:

from: [link to www.kinema.uwaterloo.ca]

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Bernardi also explains that Star Trek fans have argued on the electronic mailing list that the Ferengi are comparable to Jews while other fans object to the racist implications of these comparisons. The point of this current study is not to argue that the Ferengi are or are not consciously patterned after racist Jewish stereotypes. However, there are some striking similarities between the creators' description and common negative Jewish stereotypes as described by Wilson. Wilson explains that "overtly malevolent and clearly anti-Semitic [stereotypes portray] Jews as pushy, covetous, clannish, ill-man-nered [sic], ruthless, dishonest, mercenary, grasping, overbearing, sloppy, loud, money-loving, and uncouth." (23) Regardless of any direct or indirect connections made by fans between Ferengi and anti-Semitic stereotypes, the fact that the Ferengi are an "othered" race in the Star Trek universe is key to this analysis.

5a
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I just looked up 'Ferengi' on youtube...

WOW!

They even mention the holocaust as an indictment of humanity...LOL

The writers of Startrek obviously were trying to tell us something abduct
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As were the goblins that ran Gringotts bank in Harry Potter !
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08/11/2014 08:23 AM
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Dr Zoidberg from Futurama is the best, I think he is supposed to be some kind of Jew alien, he deffinetly sounds like a Jew.

BTW I love the Jews. They are cool.
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They love you too, goy.
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Yes, they do. hf

Goys make such good pets.
Anonymous Coward
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Ferengi have big EARS

that's all I'm saying
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The Ferengi are displayed with sort of some good left in their hears though (like Quark especially, he is a good guy in his heart).
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The Ferengi were portrayed as 'softened up" in Deep Space Nine. During Next Generation they were vicious, killing kids, etc.
Anonymous Coward
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08/11/2014 08:46 AM
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It's not even close. Anyone who's watched DS9 knows that the Ferengi were intentionally designed to portray the Jewish stereotype.
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Gene Roddenberry was jewish. The Ferengi were created whilst he was alive and he helped create and approved new races for TNG.

Although orginally the Ferengi were supposed to be an enemy who were vicious and terrible. But they looked more funny than fearsome, so they changed them into ruthless wealth hunters.

You can look at all the Star Trek races and thier stereotypes and apply it human stereotypes of other human races.
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What about Watto from the Phantom Menace. Look at his nose and voice, and he deals in trading and money.
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I suppose being over-sensitive can create a problem where there is none
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That is racist.


Who is the trill as well
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The trill are the trill... and may already be here. ;)
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Anonymous Coward
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08/11/2014 09:07 AM
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That's a great way to start the day.

So full of shit I can smell you down here.

That being said, re:Ferengi, if the shoe fits...
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The alien races were not supposed to mimic present days races. It was a oversensitve Jewish groups who thought the Ferengi were supposed to represent the stereotypical Jew. Just another case of trying to play a race card.
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Its their GUILT.

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Have you're ever heard anime called Soar High! Isami(aka Isami and the Incredible Squad in my Country) where it's also easily the most underrated anime at least IMO where the villains(kurotengu organization) are literal Space Jews(they're also runs a Mega-Corporation that called Serizawa corp)

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In Startrek Deep Space 9, the characters called the Ferengi were called ant-semitic because they closely depicted the stereotype of Jews. They were called "Space Jews" because they resembled both the physical and cultural stereotypes of Jews. WHAT this true or was it calling a race card? Read on:

from: [link to www.kinema.uwaterloo.ca]

Partial quote:
Bernardi also explains that Star Trek fans have argued on the electronic mailing list that the Ferengi are comparable to Jews while other fans object to the racist implications of these comparisons. The point of this current study is not to argue that the Ferengi are or are not consciously patterned after racist Jewish stereotypes. However, there are some striking similarities between the creators' description and common negative Jewish stereotypes as described by Wilson. Wilson explains that "overtly malevolent and clearly anti-Semitic [stereotypes portray] Jews as pushy, covetous, clannish, ill-man-nered [sic], ruthless, dishonest, mercenary, grasping, overbearing, sloppy, loud, money-loving, and uncouth." (23) Regardless of any direct or indirect connections made by fans between Ferengi and anti-Semitic stereotypes, the fact that the Ferengi are an "othered" race in the Star Trek universe is key to this analysis.

5a
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Sounds like a Jew. Jews breed psychopaths, like no other culture.
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Bajorans were space jews.

Ferengi were capitalism run amok.

Federation was some-kind-of-ism after all economies based on scarcity of resources collapse. If there is no scarcity of ANYTHING then no current economic models work. Don't think such an economic system actually has a name, but wouldn't be to bad to live in.
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Of course it was. Your point?
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As a honorary Ferengi, I am furious at the lack of recompense to this slander!!!!


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