Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher

Me again:) Old Timer, do you really believe Dondep started that thread on 1/15/2005 and then waited almost a whole year till 12/8 to begin talking to himself using various aliases? WHat a remarkable feat that would have been! Oh my, Oh my! Apologize:)

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I took a look at this and I can explain this "frozen time stamp" enigma. You're looking at the threads in question and noticing that many or all of the posters have the same time stamp. You're wondering how that can happen and thinking that this proves whatever you need to prove. It doesn't.

Anytime you see a frozen time stamp like that in a forum thread it means that the thread was either transferred from one server to another or was held back on the server, then released at the same time as a whole or edited thread. That's why all or most of the posts would have the same time stamp, It didn't mean that all those personalities posted at lightening speed within 60 seconds of each other.

This frozen time stamp phenomena does not cause various posters to be identified as a single poster. That can only happen if the same computer and IP were used to write the different posts under different identities, and the GLP software linked them because they were linked. I noticed that these older 2005 GLP threads don't carry user numbers like they do now. This probably gave some posters a false sense of anon. This anon posting may have been maintained had the threads not encountered what caused the frozen time stamp phenomena as I've explained. The poor sap using all those aliases ran into some pretty bad luck there and the freaky situation got him caught.

I forgot to add this. I found a 2005 GLP thread aimed at the 'zacksavage' character. Take a look and you'll see it has the frozen time stamp enigma. Like one of the frozen time stamp dondep threads, the OP has an earlier posting time and date than the rest of the thread which has a single time stamp. Here is a thread, like the others, that was pulled off line and them replaced with a single click. That's why the frozen time stamp.

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The zacksavage thread and the other threads in discussion appear to have been generated at the same time, or at least pulled off line at the same time. This means that all threads at this time experienced this as something to do with the server, or the GLP moderators were on to all of the aliases mentioned and were doing some sort of monitoring of their threads.

Well, I guess this just goes to show people believe what they Want to believe. Even when proof is staring them in the face. Kinda like 911.

I wish you Geeks would get over yourselves. I have been on this site since 2003. The server has crashed and all kinds of stuff has happened to the archives over this period.

Many people with long-term continuity here know this for fact. So,…. you budding sleuths keep bringing me into your delusions. I have been attacked for my beliefs all my life;…

Because I am not a follower of peer pressure,… and mass social conditioning. Praise Jesus I am unbound!!!

I still say DonDep displays more character and integrity than his attackers in this thread,… and I am happy to have made his acquaintance here those years ago and as I said,...I learned a great deal with the group of early Burisch seekers.


Hahaha,…Hey, looky here loonies. Everybody is me in this thread.



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cyber glitches.....
not stalking ?!?!

Someone's determined to make this affair more complicated than it is already.

Don is Don

Brian (pagemarker) is Brian


I have spoken with them for years.

There's a radio broadcast that features Dondep, and guess what.......Pagemarker phones in to it.

Explain that one away.


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Han,

you talk a lot of sense.

I think it is fascinating how the D&M sockpuppet crowd (or maybe it was just Marci with three windows open at the same time as someone previously guessed) converted the topic from THEIR stalking a UFO researcher to the subject of Dondep's identity using assertions of IP addresses where none exist, and all the corrupted files that remained after crashes when huge amounts of information were lost. Obviously the discussion struck a nerve and they have been trying to disrupt the thread ever since.

However, it is nice to see the old GLP gang who were around for the appearance of the "Apostle to the apostles" (nyuk, nyuk, nyuk) who was going to take them to the garden of paradise of ET truth. The only question that remains any more is whether there was any truth to it at all and what fragments of the story really represent truth. Frankly, I think he was a lab-tech who got "played".

but Hoo Nose?

Boomer,

I think it's the same-old pot stirring tactics of DBDT (Dan Burisch Dream Team). As we make educated guesses, they make wild accusations. FYI - We've been debating the identity of the 'insiders' feeding Don info. There's been a lot of references made to DBDT's well known use of 'sock-puppets' and possible serious implications of MPD.

Unfourtunatly, it appears they are responding to it over here in this manner.

Dag

Anonomous (sp?),

IMHO - we have to look at the testimony of Dody to find some truth to it all. DB's story is subject to contravercy AFTER he met Deb. Up to that point, I think it's fair to say that Doddy is telling the truth. At least that is my gut feeling.

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This interview tells what I think is the truth. You can hear the sincerity in her voice and the anger when she mentions that Deb and Marci tried to make it seem as though Danny wasn't really her child. Pretty compelling evidence.

Dag

Agreed about the possibility of more truth being told from the ‘early’ days rather than the latter.



The people that Don is alleged to have played in this game have NOT made any difference to the outcome. They haven’t made any particular claims Etc. So IF Don were to have played all these characters, it achieved nothing. I agree that the topic is being steered away from its original purpose.

One poster that has made claims is Nightshade. It seems that everyone chooses to ignore this. Han made a point about the DBs of this world being a menace to the search for the truth behind ET. I’m of the opinion that Nightshade is far worse than the ‘so-called’ insiders, At least with them we expect lies. NS professes to be ‘one of us’, and yet he himself causes, and caused a lot of needless speculation, and dare I say, further steering people away from any possible factual material that could be available.

Did the TV producer ever say who was being stalked?

Dan and Marci were given a few opportunities to provide evidence and failed each time.

A huge concern of mine, and I will not let this drop, Dan Burisch told me that he had managed to ‘read’ the Voynich manuscript. No doubts expressed by him at all. He knew exactly what the document said, that is upto the time that he himself gets a mention in the aforesaid manuscript. He said that he didn’t read further than that because that’s the future and not for his (or anyone elses) eyes. So when Dan is asked about this revelation, he denies it. Says he didn’t have such a conversation with me.

Read this from a chat:

Dan B: “If I am asked a question, any question, I will respond to it honestly. The nature of the question will determine the nature of the honest response.”

Huh?


F****** liar, that’s what Dan Burisch is.

Boomer,

I have had a very simular conversation with DB regaurding the voynich, he spoke of it frequently in the TT. Once during a late evening stroll, I asked about it as well. I honestly, don't remember much of it because it was never interesting to me, plus I don't think I ever got a single stright answer out of him. However, I can back you up on the fact that he claimed to have unlocked it's mysteries and it included mentioning him by name. Conveniantly, he stopped reading it at that point. To have gone further would have been to read the future.

He also made simular claimes reagurding the Bible Code, However, I've been told by others that there is no proof of it. Others have tried, using complicated computer programs to replicate what DB has posted on SNED's to no avail. Perhaps that is because ONLY DB has the real key to that as well.....hahaha!

Vonych Doc, Bible Code, GP,...what else is there that DB has EXCLUSIVE knowledge of that ONLY he can produce/reproduce yet he uses as proof of his knowledge and experiances and anyone that asks questions about gets thrown out on their toush????

Is there ANYONE, (besides Ganish, Noddy, and JAn) that seriously believes this crap anymore? Seriously, anyone???

Dag

Dagwood,

I’m pleased to read that you can confirm my own experiences almost to the letter. Dan appears to have a well practiced patter, it would seem Dans achilles heel is his ego, it gets the better of him and the yarns just get longer and more elaborate, always with him in the central role of course, Until he gets called on it.

Same as yourself, I’m not that interested in the VM per se, I was looking for ways to either confirm (or otherwise) Dans story. Dans alleged ability to read the VM seemed like the ideal opportunity for him to demonstrate his ‘gifts’ and be able to shoot the detractors down once and for all. Instead we end up being forced to dismiss the whole caboodle because of his lies.

It’s a pity that there are so few honest people involved in the UFO field, I used to be dismissive about the claims of ‘ufology’ being used as a meal ticket. These days I would be inclined to agree, it's all about egos and money if there is any to be had.

Oh yes I fully admit I've steered you guys all from looking into certain areas. BUT before you get your knickers in a twist ;) I have also steered you into GOLD Mines of Truth time and time again if you only took up the energy to investigate more deeper. To date none of you have even bothered. If you had this thing with Burisch saga would have been over long ago!!

Truth handed to someone on silver plater is seldom if ever acceptable. Truth discovered on ones own is often cemented as absolute and forever.

Sorry boomerang my job isn't to hand you silver platers!

and to other cases do serve it up on sliver platters of junk food to others until they die of gluttony and over consumption. ;)

Nightshade 09 ;)

Sanctus Ordo of Reynard Vulpes volpes.

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PSS.. I screamed and screamed from day one of my appearence in the Golden Thread. That Dan Burisch was lying to you all. Don't be sucked into his lies!

Did anyone of you listen?? You did not.

Well I was right wasn't i?

NS

Silver platters my arse.

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"PSS.. I screamed and screamed from day one of my appearence in the Golden Thread. That Dan Burisch was lying to you all. Don't be sucked into his lies!

Did anyone of you listen?? You did not.

Well I was right wasn't i?"

Dans lies have caught up with him, prior to that, other than gut feelings there was nothing definitive either way. You say that you have this evidence and that evidence, your ego is on a par with Dan Bs.......imagine the damage that the two of you could cause to 'getting at the truth' if you worked together. Too many egos won't work. You have to be Dans nemesis, it's your own silly way, nothing to do with reviewing 'evidence'.

Uncle John here: I think Boomer and Shady are missing the real insight to dan lying. I picked up on dan lying during our Rachel interview.

IMO, the important thing to learn is that dan believes he is telling the truth or at least a story that is good for the listener. Kind of like bush is it not?

To me, it is all about learning the effects and extent of mind control. How could I forget the lulu diagram he showed me?

The ET's are mind controlling the ruling elite of humanity and it is vitally important that we learn about this. This is why I've followed the dan story.

I believe that the lotus, the healing tones, the char, argo, the LG, the yellowbook, the cherubim and on and on is all a big disinfo exercise or possibly an experiment to see how gullible people are.

I love a parade.

NS,

What is your job (if I might be so bold to ask)? Also, let us not forget just months ago you were practically bowing at DB's feet, trying to make amends. What happened then? You're story changes with the tides. Starting from when I got involved; First there was a box filled with undeniable PROOF that DB is a fraud, then you are seemingly on his side or at least on the fence, then your back to calling it all BS, and now your saying that it's your job to mislead people? WTF?

Dag

I cannot believe you guys are still whipping this horse. So caught up in details, step back, far back and view this all from a distance. Any sane person must come to the Burisch disinfo conclusion. You are all to invested in every word and thought. This guy is govt. initiated disinformation. Step back and take a deep breath. Look at the big picture details are line and bait don't be so quick to swallow it. Details are a thing that can be twisted and obscured, the real destination is always where you wind up and that location with Dan is smoke and mirrors.

I share in your feelings. However, I don't think we should dismiss the VM. Dan never devulges any of it's contents, which makes it pretty pointless. But it does show us Dan's eagerness to befound his readers/followers with his 'superior abilities'. And what is this 'ability' he's displaying for us...code breaking!? Why is a micro-biologist breaking codes? Makes no sense. For this reason, we can't dismiss it because it adds to the fictional value of the saga thus helping us to PROOVE that Dan is not who or what he says he is, and more importantly, is not telling us the TRUTH.

Dag

The issue Dan had with the VM is the one that would prevent him from talking about it, IF that issue had merit.
I'm speaking of the issue that the VM was primarily ABOUT him, about the issues he was grappling with, or allegedly so. In other words, if the Voynich was a "log" of the actions Dan would take, day by day, as one of his 'team' insinuated, then it would be a sign of modesty for him to simply disavow speaking of it himself. However, we know what became of Dan's humility since May of 2006; it seems to have completely disappeared. Therefore the claim that he doesn't want to speak of it clashes with his supposed humility, if the reason is that it is a log of his actions. Yet, not that long ago one of the SNEDs thugs had the temerity to post the statement "when Dan and Marci walk into a room they set the new gold standard." I cringed at the gauche audacity to say such a pompous thing, but then.....this is the individual who is now said to request he be referred to (at Bilderberg conclaves, Kissinger Associates meetings, and closed-door Capitol Hill sessions) as the "Most Honorable Professor Crain". Not only did he find a party (the Vatican through a certain 'priory' and its front) that would resurrect (cough, cough) his PhD status, this party would also convey a PhD on his premier horn-tooter gal-pal and ego manipulator Marcia Ann McDowell. His PhD from SUNY is more believable than the ones provided courtesy of the ..... 'Jesuits', let's say.

Like one of my friends back in DC said in 2002, when placing a few calls to confirm the origin of the white van watching us: "forget about Burisch!!!! He's just a distraction!!!" I'll never forget that moment; he was so vehement about it he nearly foamed at the mouth. But as the latest 'insider' to send some perspective said in his snail-mailed missive: "The old Majestic is not nearly so ruthless as the new Sion."

In the immortal words of 'Blackbird' when I asked him if he was a "disgruntled Majestic employee, etc":

"I am no bitter employee just
somebody that sees this involves the whole world and
not just the people in Majestic or the rich that will
get early notices."

Anyone that needs elaboration on what that means may need to do a lot more homework.

Hello to all the familiar faces here, and those more obscure...)


There has been considerable speculation as to the extent to which Dr Burisch was able to translate the Voynich document. Dr. Burisch apparently confided to some that he was indeed able to read the script, at least up to the point that his own personal reference was deciphered, after which Dr. Burisch refused to continue his efforts, in an apparent attempt to remain ignorant of his own role and preserve an unbiased continuation of the timeline unpreturbed by knowledge of it.

It had been stated by certain ‘insiders’ more privy to Dan’s understanding of the document that Dr. Burisch’s translations allowed for the discernment of the vector of ‘PX,’ which in some form or another allowed pre-emptive measures to have been taken that might have averted the alleged T-2 timeline from becoming an inevitable reality. Speculation on Dr. Burisch’s ability to translate the Voynich, in my own mind, is somewhat confirmed in his own denial of it. I suspect that whatever he might have been able to decipher has since been incorporated into the archives into the Priory of Sion under the protection of the Lamedvavniks, whose real identities are known only to the true members of the ‘Society of Jesus,’ Jesuits not under control of the ‘black pope, who have recently made haste to make known a long ‘misfiled’ document restoring the dignity of the ‘Knights Templar.’

From the website ‘world mysteries’ concerning the Voynich document we read in an except from Dr. Levitov: "There is not a single so-called botanical illustration that does not contain some Cathari symbol or Isis symbol. The astrological drawings are likewise easy to deal with; the innumerable stars are representative of the stars in Isis' mantle.” The fate of the the Cathars resembles that of the Knights Templar, does not the dualism of the former also receive a modicum of redemption in the restoration of the latter?

With Dr. Burisch’s background in microbiology, the Voynich ‘botanical illustrations’ were child’s play, and the astrological designations had already been previously noted as corresponding to the Milky Way Galaxy, and by conversion of linear transformations into ‘diagrammatic notation,’ the determinant of the matrix was solved. ‘As above so below’ was not, in this case, a spiritual derivative, it was simply and starkly a ‘spacial’ one.

It comes as little surprise that there is a ‘divergence’ on what Dr. Burisch has confided in private (listening devices aside!) and what he has said publicly. The Priory of Sion, to which Dr. Burisch has denied any affiliation, is “playing for keeps.” If Dr. Burisch has indeed sought refuge in the ‘Castle of the Beloved,’ there is no need to be bitter.

And still these game playing losers [dondep and alter ego sidekick pagemarker] continue with their games, as if they haven't been made and as if Dan Burisch were anything but a con artist in a role playing game.

Nothing Burisch claims is real regardless of a timeline and who is or isn't in it. Stop trying to find a grain a truth in an empty grain silo. Face facts >>> you got into the Dan Burisch inner circle, it made you feel special, now you know for sure it's all a scam, and your still trying to keep it alive to keep some of your own crushed belief alive. It's a bitch getting duped. It's more of a bitch staying duped.

AC, your schtick is getting old. First, I am accused of posing as many individuals, which you know is patently untrue. These other folks are their own selves, think independent thoughts, some of which happen to correspond with mine, some which don't. Most readers simply don't take your accusations seriously, and for good reason.

You, on the other hand, are acting so dismissive that your attitude immediately becomes suspect: you have no proof of any of your claims, you don't even have a reasonable argument to make in support of them! Sure Burisch may have lied in the past, continues to lie in the present, and seemingly has no remorse over doing it. But to simply attribute it to a "con artist" beggars the mind.....to what end? Money? No way. It shows you haven't done much homework, but you seem to be fairly emotionally involved in order to spend so much time and effort making broad brush strokes about the case. It's as bad as the sock puppet thugs trying to claim "when D&M walk into a room they set the new gold standard." Dan is no messiah, but neither is he Lucifer incarnate.

Where did you pick up your bitterness?

No mystery about how dondep got focused on in this thread. He put himself into it and started up with his same old same old. TV Produced didn't bring him up at all. Dondep opens his mouth and he's fair game.

TV Producer was advised right to put the thread on GLP. It's not controlled by the people involved in the murky scam world of Dan Burisch and supporters. That levels the playing field where the truth has a chance to come out and the BS promoters are seen without a net.

Hey UJ,
i love a parade too :-)

Boy, if this isn't the pot calling the kettle black...lol.

I think it's safe to say when one only uses pointless, unsubstantiaded accusations as a tool to ruffle feathers then their primary goal is to do just that, nothing else.

Dag

Boy, if this isn't the pot calling the kettle black...lol.

I think it's safe to say when one only uses pointless, unsubstantiaded accusations as a tool to ruffle feathers then their primary goal is to do just that, nothing else.

Dag

Boy Dag what's gotting into your shorts rather hostile these days.

Look I told you the truth privately if you don't want to believe that fine. ;)


Shady