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Vermont wants to SECEDE FROM THE UNITED STATES

 
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SECEDE FROM THE UNITED STATES?
Carolyn Baker Interviews Rob Williams of Vermont Commons
Thursday, 27 September 2007
I recently caught up with Rob Williams, volunteer editor of VERMONT COMMONS which is the online voice of Vermont Independence. The organization has been working for some time to establish The Second Vermont Republic which is a peaceful, democratic, grassroots, libertarian populist movement opposed to the tyranny of the U.S. Government, corporate America, and globalization and committed to the return of Vermont to its rightful status as an independent republic, as it was between 1777 and 1791. More of the history of Vermont and the Independence movement can be read at the VT Commons website.

CB: Please explain the Vermont secessionist movement and why many Vermonters support it. Why do you support it? What do you think might happen to Vermont if secession does not happen?



RW: The Vermont secession impulse is born out of our understanding that the United States - once a great republic - has become an unsustainable Empire governed by a very few. Beyond massive (and bipartisan) national electoral fraud, 9/11's unanswered questions, a

"war on terror" (that will not end, we are told, in our life times), the collapse of the U.S. Constitution, the erosion of civil liberties, and the practicing of "disaster capitalism" on a massive scale by political and economic elites, the U.S. is simply too big to function as a democratic republic in its current state. In other words, as astute observers from across the political spectrum have pointed out, the Empire is essentially ungovernable, unsustainable, and un-reformable.



We in the Vermont independence effort are a growing group of citizens who have moved beyond frustration with the current imperial system and are championing a more honest and hopeful paradigm - that of "small is beautiful" sustainability and, if need be, peaceable secession from the Empire, and the re-invention of Vermont as an independent republic, as it was from 1777 to 1791. Contrary to popular belief, New England was the first region of the country to openly call for secession - not once but several times - during the early 19th century, for similar reasons as our own in the 21st: concern about growing corporate and commercial power, and legitimate fears of a centralized federal/statist apparatus that trumps local decision-making and state sovereignty. Given expansive federal regulatory power over our food (USDA), our airwaves (FCC), our animals and livestock (NAIS), our educational endeavors (NCLB), and every other aspect of our lives, it makes sense to take a good hard look at some legitimate alternatives that exist as a forgotten part of the U.S. political tradition - this is what we are doing here at Vermont Commons newspaper.



While this is no small task, as a patriot and a secessionist both, I support Vermont independence (and indeed, the restoration of sovereignty for all states within this allegedly "indivisible" Union) because I think that peaceable secession is the only viable way to save what we so deeply appreciate about the ideals and values of our United States. And, without sounding too grandiose, secession may allow us to help sustain our civilization as a whole as we seek to "re-invent" our former republic-turned-Empire in the face of emerging "big picture" problems such as climate change, global peak oil, and the excesses of corporate globalization, what former Bush/Wall Street insider Catherine Austin Fitts calls the "tapeworm economy."
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Good for Vermont! More states should do the same.

527, go play your Walter Mitty games elsewhere.
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Good for Vermont! More states should do the same.

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Good for Vermont! More states should do the same.

527, go play your Walter Mitty games elsewhere.


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LOL.......go eat a booger.
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I know Rob Williams and Tom Naylor both...

Both are fairly sane, but deluded in their hope that VT can/will ever secede...

I do agree that the worst thing VT ever did was join the union...
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If Vermont is successful, I wonder if they will take in immigrants?
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bitch aint it.. You're a punk faggit snitch too. This is funny
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Good on 'em.

I personally seceded long ago.

Try it.
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overthrow by violence, force, or assasination
of the federal state or any individual state
is sedition.

peaceful conversation about secession is fine.
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You have also been warned. Electronically promoting sedition is a federal offense.
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Civil disobedience, dude.

Don't ever forget the principles upon which our country was founded:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

Declaration of Independence


Anyway, TX paved the way...we should have fought a little harder, though. =)




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TX.Patriot, in what part of Texas do you live? I'm in the Houston/Galveston area.
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TX.Patriot, in what part of Texas do you live? I'm in the Houston/Galveston area.
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I'm in the beautiful Piney Woods. I lived in Houston (and Dallas) for years, though. Smiling while looking in my rear view mirror. =)

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TX.Patriot, in what part of Texas do you live? I'm in the Houston/Galveston area.
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I'm in the beautiful Piney Woods. I lived in Houston (and Dallas) for years, though. Smiling while looking in my rear view mirror. =)
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Texas was an alright place to live until the 70s when the NE economy went in the crapper. The influx of the people who came here from the NE turned Texas into a nest of vipers. Kathy Whitmire led the pack for change in our values as Texans. How accomodating. Good on ya for being able to get out of Houston. I would if I could.
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Wouldn't be grand if some states...or people started a movement to secede.
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Wouldn't be grand if some states...or people started a movement to secede.
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No. United we stand, divided we fall. We are 50 states that need to get back to the original Contitutional rule of law, not ruled by a coven of greedy men.
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Wouldn't be grand if some states...or people started a movement to secede.
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If it were true that the people own and run this government then it wouldn't even be questioned. Of course we all know it isn't our government antmore.

I can remeber when the soviet union broke up and the hypocrites in Washington D.C. proclaimed it was a great thing because it was the "will of the people". But yet when the south wanted to go it's own way the North invaded and destroyed the South. Isn't that something? No bloodshed when the evil Soviets broke up but plenty of bloodshed when it happened in the U.S. Go figure.


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I can remeber when the soviet union broke up and the hypocrites in Washington D.C. proclaimed it was a great thing because it was the "will of the people".
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The Soviets fell because, during Reagan's day, the U.S. destroyed the ruble. Just like what is happening now...our dollar is quickly sinking. Planned that way.
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if they do I'll be the first to move there.
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Wouldn't be grand if some states...or people started a movement to secede.
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Uh...They did...

Lincoln was pretty upset...
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I am all for it if they take ted kennedy with them.
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I am all for it if they take ted kennedy with them.
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No fucking way...

Kennedy is from Mass., and can stay right there for all we care...
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I am all for it if they take ted kennedy with them.


No fucking way...

Kennedy is from Mass., and can stay right there for all we care...
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LOL
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