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| HAZZARD
User ID: 285991
9/28/2007 5:50 PM
Report abusive post | APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
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Were the Apollo moonlanding faked by NASA and the US !!??
It seems to me that a lot of people are willing to automatically turn off their critical thinking skills and accept the most ridiculous things as long as it comes tagged with a "government cover up or government conspiracy" label.
Could it be that most of these hoax stories are created by people who have never accomplished anything (that they feel is important) in their lives, and want to comfort themselves by believing that they now, finally,has one up on the,government, scientists, NASA, military, etc.
There is lot of money to be made selling all kinds of weird theories to the gullible.
Debate!
And not just the old ad hominem.
Not the, LETS TRY AND JUMP the person presenting the claim or argument!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 91676
9/28/2007 5:55 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Ask yourself a question. If they were faked, to what level of thouroughness would have to be pursued in order to sell the fake?
My father was responsible for running experiments that would calculate just how small a chunk of space rock would be able to penetrate and degrade the skin of the apollo module to the point that it would cause depressurisation of the craft resulting in catastrophic failure and loss of life. Do you really think that the gummint would fund that level of research if they were only going to film a few goons on a soundstage and then braodcast it worldwide. Get a grip. We went. |
| HAZZARD
User ID: 285991 (OP)
9/28/2007 6:00 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Get a grip. We went. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 91676
Of course we did. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 21470
9/28/2007 6:04 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
ask one of the astronauts that went |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 21470
9/28/2007 6:07 PM | | HAZZARD
User ID: 285991 (OP)
9/28/2007 6:18 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21470
Thats funny!!
A person that believes that every thing on the Disney channel and youtube is credible has a serious problem. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 276554
9/28/2007 6:48 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Oh sure, we went to the moon in this:
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
Talk about a lack of critical thinking and accepting the ridiculous. |
| HAZZARD
User ID: 285991 (OP)
9/28/2007 6:49 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
The real question is...
What do you whant to know about the moonlanding that you didnt..!??
All you have to do is ask. |
| HAZZARD
User ID: 285991 (OP)
9/28/2007 6:55 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 276554
And whats the ridiculous part!??
You are one of those "homework my ass" kids, right.
Give us one thing that kicks the Apollo landings out of court....
Good luck! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 41594
9/28/2007 7:06 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I'm wondering about these two statements made by Apollo astronauts:
1. One astronaut lets a fictional character speak in a SciFi book he co-authored about 10 years ago:
"There is so much I believe in remembering, but I haven't true confidence to my consciousness. It's alarming that I see myself in some scenes from the outside, like observing myself. A psychologist, who just came from Mars two oppositions ago, claimed that this was a strong hint that I do not remember a story myself anymore. Most possible, the story has been told me so often, that it established into my head." (Buzz Aldrin in "Encounter with Tiber")
2. Another astronaut said recently on a radio show that he has absolutely no doubt about Uri Gellers abilities to use psychokinesis force to teleport or materialize things which disappeared from his home a few years before. (Ed Mitchell on Coast To Coast AM, Sep. 12, 2007) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 304910
9/28/2007 7:11 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Ask yourself a question. If they were faked, to what level of thouroughness would have to be pursued in order to sell the fake? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 91676
Humans just ain`t that clever when it comes to foreseeing events that may trap them in a lie...it`s ludicrous to suggest that somehow an event that encompassed the whole world could be faked for such a long period..... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 276554
9/28/2007 7:13 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
And whats the ridiculous part!?? Quoting: HAZZARD 285991
Alllow me to reiterate:
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
For those of you who haven't bothered to click on the above, that would be landing on the moon and hanging out for a day in 250 degree heat without a powered cooling system in this warped-walled, duct-taped, aluminum foil and papier-mâché contraption that couldn't make it as a prop in a grade C Hollywood sci-fi flick. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 304910
9/28/2007 7:18 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
This poser is bound to get `em going
yes we did
oh no we didn`t
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| 4by2  
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User ID: 74018
9/28/2007 7:20 PM
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The real question is...
What do you whant to know about the moonlanding that you didnt..!??
All you have to do is ask. Quoting: HAZZARD 285991
APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 304819
9/28/2007 7:21 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
staged, like 911
just more psych-ops |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 303931
9/28/2007 7:23 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
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| FreshLaundry
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User ID: 304962
9/28/2007 7:36 PM
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So fake. When you watch the footage now it's like watching pre-CGI special effects.
Flagstaff, AZ has the models you seek.
I love the expression:
"Well if we can put a man on the moon, then why can't we ______________" -- uh, maybe because we didn't?
believe everything.
[link to kindagamey.com] |
| HAZZARD
User ID: 285991 (OP)
9/28/2007 7:36 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I'm wondering about these two statements made by Apollo astronauts:
1. One astronaut...
2. Another astronaut said recently ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41594
All that is, is he said she said...Thats it...!!
Comon conspiracy believers, here is your chance!!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 304961
9/28/2007 7:39 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
They had pcs powerful enough to run a wrist watch
[link to moonhoax.com] |
| HAZZARD
User ID: 285991 (OP)
9/28/2007 7:41 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
They had pcs powerful enough to run a wrist watch Quoting: Anonymous Coward 304961
You are saying, what?? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 300039
9/28/2007 7:43 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Mission = real
Video we all saw = fake |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 276554
9/28/2007 7:52 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
How is it that the mission was real, but the video was faked? |
| HAZZARD
User ID: 285991 (OP)
9/28/2007 7:55 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Mission = real
Video we all saw = fake Quoting: Anonymous Coward 300039
Thats exactly what I mean, a kid doing the POST AND RUN routine...Its a classic GLP print.
If there is anyone here that doubts the moonlandings or wants to know anything about it....
Here is your chance.
Anything...!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 276554
9/28/2007 7:58 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
If there is anyone here that doubts the moonlandings or wants to know anything about it....
Here is your chance.
Anything...!! Quoting: HAZZARD 285991
OK, know-it-all disinformation specialist.
1) NASA wants to measure radiation on the moon
NASA is planning to send astronauts to the moon by the year 2020. However, before they send people to the moon, they want to measure the radiation levels on the moon with an unmanned probe named CRaTER:
[link to science.nasa.gov]
Didn't NASA measure radiation levels in the 1960s?
NASA sent several Surveyor probes to the moon during the 1960s before sending the Apollo astronauts:
[link to nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov]
NASA claims the purpose of the probes was to analyze the moon's surface. At the time those probes landed on the moon, nobody knew whether the moon's surface was hard enough for people to walk on. Some people wondered if areas on the moon were covered with such a thick layer of powder that the Apollo spacecraft would sink into it.
The surveyor probes showed that it was possible to land a spacecraft on the moon because the surface was crushed rocks, not deep, soft powder.
NASA admits that the Surveyor 6 measured solar protons and cosmic rays:
[link to nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov]
What did the probe determine? Were the solar protons and cosmic rays at such a low level that the astronauts would be safe? Why is NASA so secretive about radiation levels in outer space?
After discovering that the moon was safe to walk on, NASA claims to have sent six teams of astronauts to the moon. They landed in six different locations. However, none of them bothered to measure the radiation.
NASA claims that the Apollo astronauts never bothered to measure radiation levels because they were on the moon for only a couple days. A more likely explanation for why the astronauts never measured radiation levels on the moon is because they never went to the moon.
Furthermore, it is possible that the surveyor probe discovered that radiation levels on the moon were so high that no astronaut could possibly survive in those thin spacesuits and that lousy lunar lander. Perhaps NASA classified all the radiation measurements as “Top Secret” so that we do not realize that outer space is dangerous.
2) The 1969 press conference was psychotic
After Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins, and Buzz Aldrin returned from the moon in 1969, they held a press conference to tell the world about their incredible trip to the moon.
These three men just accomplished the most incredible feat the human race has ever achieved. If you had been in their position, wouldn't you have been excited, proud of America, and happy to describe your trip to the moon?
The facial and body expressions of the astronauts suggest that they are suffering from extreme emotional stress.
Why would they appear to be so nervous and awkward? NASA wants us to believe that all of the astronauts are extremely introverted. But watch the first few minutes of their interview, and ask yourself, are they really introverted? Or are they suffering stress because they are lying about going to the moon?
[link to www.EricHufschmid.net]
3) All Apollo astronauts act psychotic
All 21 Apollo astronauts remained hidden from the public after coming back from the moon. NASA wants us to believe that all 21 astronauts are too shy to give interviews.
Neil Armstrong is the best example of this. Here is an article about his bizarre behavior from The Cincinnati Enquirer:
[link to www.enquirer.com]
From the book One Giant Leap by Leon Wagener, page 298 we have another description of this psychotic astronaut:
When Neil started as a professor at the University of Cincinnati in 1970, news executives from the area's radio, TV, and print media were summoned to a downtown restaurant to hear an ultimatum: They were not to request interviews with the space hero who would be living in their midst, because none would be granted; they were to totally ignore his presence and not consider it legitimate news. Amazingly, the group agreed—with one exception. Lawrence H. Rogers, then head of Taft Broadcasting Corporation, owners of a chain of television and radio stations in the region, howled in protest. "The reason they gave was that Neil had no secretary and would be overwhelmed with requests. I raised my hand and said, 'That's the most preposterous thing I have ever heard.' I told them Armstrong was the most famous explorer since Christopher Columbus; it would have been criminal journalistically to not write about him and praise what he had accomplished.
What are the chances that 100% of the Apollo astronauts are so introverted that they are incapable of visiting children in school, going onto television shows to talk about the moon, and giving interviews to reporters?
4) The moon is not bright
It is easy to measure the level of reflected light from the moon, and from that you can determine what percentage of the sunlight the moon is reflecting. You will discover that the moon does not reflect very much sunlight.
Here is a very simple description from NASA that everybody can understand:
...the moon is about the poorest reflector in the solar system. The amount of light reflected by a celestial object is called the albedo (Latin: albus, white). The moon reflects only 7% of the sunlight that falls upon it, so the albedo is 0.07
[link to liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov]
This means that astronauts on the moon would not be overwhelmed with the brightness of the lunar surface. Rather, they would be amazed at how dark the surface is.
5) The technology was too primitive in the 1960's
The computers of the 1960's would not qualify as computers by today's standards. Rather, they were “electronic adding machines”.
Manufacturing technology was horrible by comparison to what we have today because they did not have computer-controlled milling machines or lathes.
6) U2 pilots can see stars
A U2 pilot said that when he climbs to high altitudes the sky becomes dark, the stars become brighter, and more stars become visible:
"The air is so much clearer up there; you can see what seems to be 10 times more stars. They just carpet the sky."
A U2 pilot says stars "just carpet the sky", but not one Apollo astronaut talks about seeing stars.
7) NASA wants to crash a probe into the moon
In April 2006 NASA announced a plan to send a probe to the moon in 2008 to determine if there is water on the moon.
Didn't NASA already analyze the 400 kilograms of moon rocks that 6 teams of astronauts brought back to the earth from 6 different locations on the moon?
Furthermore, this latest probe will crash into the moon, not land gently!
NASA claims to have the technology to put men on the moon, and bring them home again, so why are they planning a primitive, destructive crash?
8) Hubble telescope looks at moon
In this amazing report, we discover that NASA is using the Hubble telescope to look at ultraviolet light reflected from moon in order to determine what type of minerals are on the surface of the moon.
Do I have to repeat this:
Didn't NASA already analyze the 400 kilograms of moon rocks that 6 teams of astronauts brought back to the earth from 6 different locations on the moon?
NASA wants us to believe that those 400 kilograms is not enough; that the experiments conducted by the astronauts is not enough. Do you believe that looking at the moon with a telescope does a better job than 12 men on the moon?
9) Moon rocks are in Antarctica?
Barbara Cohen, a researcher from the University of New Mexico, was picking up rocks in Antarctica. She sent them to Houston, Texas for an analysis.
The scientists in Houston discovered that one of the Antarctic rocks closely matched the NASA moon rocks.
The scientists then concluded that one of the rocks from Antarctica was actually from the moon:
[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]
How did rocks from the moon get in Antarctica?
NASA and Ms. Cohen want us to believe that a big meteor crashed into the moon a while ago, and pieces of the moon were sent flying into space. A few of those pieces landed in Antarctica.
Take a look at how far away the moon is from the earth. If it were true that rocks were ejected from the moon with such velocity that they could escape the moon's gravity and fly out into space, what are the chances that any of them would survive the fall through the atmosphere and land on tiny Antarctica hundreds of thousands of kilometers away? Furthermore, the rock has to land in a location where humans can find it many years later.
A more sensible explanation is that the NASA moon rocks were rocks from Antarctica.
Therefore, when someone travels to Antarctica and sends rock samples to Houston, Texas for analysis, some of the rocks will closely match the Apollo moon rocks.
10) Lunar rocket was silent, too many photos...
Other people who looked at Apollo found other problems. Jack White counted the photos taken by the astronauts on the moon, divided it by the time they were on the moon, and points out that they took too many photos:
[link to www.aulis.com]
Bill Kaysing pointed out that the rocket engine on the lunar lander was silent. You can listen to it (actually, you can not listen to it) at this site, where an excerpt of the Offiical Apollo Video is available:
[link to www.australiafreepress.org]
It is so quiet that it appears the astronauts are in a protected Hollywood studio.
Another historical video excerpt at that site that you might find amusing (or embarassing, if you are an American) is called:
Historic video - JFK first tells the world of this dumb hoax: [link to www.australiafreepress.org]
Official Apollo video (a good laugh) [link to www.australiafreepress.org] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 301528
9/28/2007 8:21 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
NASA Chief: Guys, there's a lot rolling on this moonshot. The prestige of our great nation is at stake. What if something goes wrong? We'll be the laughing stock of the world. Just imagine them russkys laughing their holes out...
GUYS: Hmmm..... Yeah. You're right.
NASA Chief: So how do we handle this? Any ideas?
GUY: Hmmm... Got it! Let's have some video sequences made that we can splice into the TV coverage just in case anything does go wrong.
NASA Chief: Great! Yeah! That would save our ass. Let's do it!
:-) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 111140
9/28/2007 8:33 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
It seems to me that a lot of people are willing to automatically turn off their critical thinking skills and accept the most ridiculous things as long as it comes tagged with a "government cover up or government conspiracy" label. Quoting: HAZZARD 285991
Then there are those that automatically turn off their critical thinking skills and accept the most ridiculous things as long as it comes tagged with a "government" label. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 304776
9/28/2007 8:51 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Strange comments made by Astronauts in new film documentary,In the Shadow of the Moon which opened Friday in South Florida theaters, and it serves as a reminder of these things being discussed in this thread.
..............
''It is kind of hard to believe that I was actually up there,'' Mike Collins, 76, who remained in the command module 69 miles above the moon as Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin set foot there for the first time, tells the movie audience.''
``I want to promise you,
I'm human. I wanted to pinch myself to find out whether it was really happening,'' Gene Cernan, 73, says during the movie. ``I called the moon my home for three days of my life, and I'm here to tell you about it. That's science fiction.''
[link to www.miamiherald.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 276554
9/28/2007 10:26 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Strange comments made by Astronauts in new film documentary,In the Shadow of the Moon which opened Friday in South Florida theaters, and it serves as a reminder of these things being discussed in this thread.
..............
''It is kind of hard to believe that I was actually up there,'' Mike Collins, 76, who remained in the command module 69 miles above the moon as Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin set foot there for the first time, tells the movie audience.''
``I want to promise you,
I'm human. I wanted to pinch myself to find out whether it was really happening,'' Gene Cernan, 73, says during the movie. ``I called the moon my home for three days of my life, and I'm here to tell you about it. That's science fiction.''
[ link to www.miamiherald.com]
Check out this 1969 press conference, where they look like they're on trial for buggering their neighbor's cat:
[link to www.erichufschmid.net] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 198187
9/28/2007 10:52 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
what does covering your right hand with you left mean |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 276554
9/28/2007 10:57 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I don't know, but Neil Armstrong's clenched jaw and tense facial muscles after delivering his first line makes him look guiltier than OJ! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 193848
9/28/2007 11:00 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
It seems to me that a lot of people are willing to automatically turn off their critical thinking skills and accept the most ridiculous things as long as it comes tagged with a "government cover up or government conspiracy" label.
Then there are those that automatically turn off their critical thinking skills and accept the most ridiculous things as long as it comes tagged with a "government" label. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 111140
Yeah, like how 3 steel frame buildings collapsed from fire and then disintegrated into powder. |
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