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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 258729
10/8/2007 3:06 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
We got a good laugh from your "lens flare" rebuttal, which as anyone can see, obviously isn't. Or maybe you think it's swamp gas.
It's a large glass globe lamp on the NASA moon set. Not the sun. Not "lens flare."
Busted.
Would you care to explain why the long axis of your 'globe' is always in line with the other lens flares, in every single picture? Why would it do that if it was an actual object rather than a photographic artifact? Like the post from Education Forum said, it would require that the globe be specifically aligned with the centre of each and every shot. That's one heck of a 'whistle blow'. Alternatively, it isn't a globe. Quoting: Barls Knarkley 28648
Duh. For the same reason it would be if you took a picture of an HMI light on a Hollywood set.
NASA doesn't even try to say this is a 'lens flare', which is ridiculous and makes you sound desperate:
[link to aulis.com]
They didn't think anyone would be able to analyze their 'sun' with the digital imaging software that's available today.
It's people like Barls who've made the phrase 'lens flare' a universal joke. 
BUSTED!!! |
| HAZZARD
User ID: 308422
10/8/2007 3:35 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Have a look at this...Besides the obvious flare around the Sun, the light artifacts at the bottom right are also caused by flare.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
And then you might wanna read up on this before posting again...
[link to www.cambridgeincolour.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 258729
10/8/2007 3:55 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Sure is interesting that NASA cares enough to educate the public about "lens flare" that they'd create a special Wikipedia entry using an Apollo lunar photo as an example!
As if every photographer doesn't know the difference between artifacts created by a strong light source passing through the multiple elements of a lens and the light source itself.
This is so transparent, it's pathetic. |
| HAZZARD
User ID: 308422
10/8/2007 3:59 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
PROOF THAT THE MOON LANDINGS WERE REAL.
Its not hard if you know what to look for.
You can see it when the astronauts walk (the dust kicked up by their feet) and especially when they make a sharp turn with the lunar rover.
If you kick up some dust on Earth, it will billow and drift somewhat like a cloud (hence the expression, "I left him in a cloud of dust").
That doesnt happen in a vacuum.
This is one of the easier points to refute the HBs claims.
An example of what Im talking about can be seen in this video (running at twice actual speed because thats also one of the HBs claims...that it was filmed in slowmotion).
Compare how the dust is behaving to how it behaves on Earth.
[link to www.youtube.com]
The only way you could duplicate that on the Earth would be to shoot the scene in a VERY BIG vacuum chamber. |
| HAZZARD
User ID: 308422
10/8/2007 4:09 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
This is so transparent, it's pathetic. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 258729
All the HBs claims has been debunked a thousand times. The sad fact that some people fail to understand the answers...well whos fault is that!!?
Having said that, these threads have developed, hopefully, with an eye toward discussion and information gain.
I think that most peoples questions are legitimate, and deserve a knowledgable answer.
Of course, many of these threads are populated by people who come forth with the foregone conclusion that the whole thing was a hoax, an untenable position, and they persist in arguing their case as fact without stopping to listen long enough to hear the truth.
They dont even want to learn.
This is generally unfortunate and largely a waste of everyones time, but its also human nature that has to be endured, for better or worse. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 111140
10/8/2007 4:40 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
OK, a question to you who believe the moon missions were real:
Can you name just ONE filmed interview with the astronauts after their alleged moon trips where they appeared elated, proud or happy after being actually ON THE MOON?
One would think that they would be really upbeat, but on all the footage I have seen they appear sullen and uncomfortable, just like some schoolboys caught in a prank.
These were all fine and decent men and they obviously hated to participate in this hoax.
[link to youtube.com]
Even Neil Armstrong's famed words, "one small step.." etc as he allegedly stepped on the moon for the first time are totally devoid of emotion.
He just recites the line as if from a telephone catalogue. It's not like he was on the verge of being the first man to step onto another world.
[link to www.historyplace.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 309741
10/8/2007 4:41 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
OK, a question to you who believe the moon missions were real:
Can you name just ONE filmed interview with the astronauts after their alleged moon trips where they appeared elated, proud or happy after being actually ON THE MOON?
One would think that they would be really upbeat, but on all the footage I have seen they appear sullen and uncomfortable, just like some schoolboys caught in a prank.
These were all fine and decent men and they obviously hated to participate in this hoax.
[link to youtube.com]
Even Neil Armstrong's famed words, "one small step.." etc as he allegedly stepped on the moon for the first time are totally devoid of emotion.
He just recites the line as if from a telephone catalogue. It's not like he was on the verge of being the first man to step onto another world.
[link to www.historyplace.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 258729
10/8/2007 4:42 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
HAZZARD, I've read enough of your threads to know that you have a definite agenda and thus you're the very last person who should be "teaching" anything.
Interesting how you try to debunk everything except an obvious hoax like Apollo. Reading your baloney about "proof" that the Apollo program was real does nothing but confirm my suspicions.
It's like attempting to learn the truth about UFOs and the paranormal by reading the Skeptical Inquirer. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 258729
10/8/2007 4:45 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
OK, a question to you who believe the moon missions were real:
Can you name just ONE filmed interview with the astronauts after their alleged moon trips where they appeared elated, proud or happy after being actually ON THE MOON?
One would think that they would be really upbeat, but on all the footage I have seen they appear sullen and uncomfortable, just like some schoolboys caught in a prank. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 309741
One analogy I've read is that they look like they're on trial for bestiality with the neighbor's cat. |
| Barls Knarkley
User ID: 28648
10/8/2007 11:12 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
As if every photographer doesn't know the difference between artifacts created by a strong light source passing through the multiple elements of a lens and the light source itself. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 258729
Yep. They do. Which is why there isn't a huge controversy regarding this issue. Unless you believe that every photographer in the world is in on the conspiracy?
I note that you have no answer as to why the long axis of the 'bulb' is always perfectly aligned with the lens flares. |
| Barls Knarkley
User ID: 28648
10/8/2007 11:12 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Can you name just ONE filmed interview with the astronauts after their alleged moon trips where they appeared elated, proud or happy after being actually ON THE MOON? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 309741
How many have you looked for? |
| SpaceCadet
User ID: 16644
10/8/2007 11:36 PM
 | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
One way is for someone to take a court case against all of the Moon Landing ex-astronauts still alive, for partaking in fraud on the USA public & the rest of the world. Since the ones still alive are all now private citizens, it should be easy to do.
Force all of those innocent until proven guilty men to take polygraph tests, and other truth telling tests.
Also test all of them to see if they have had hypnotherapy done on them, to make them all believe the fairy tales they have told about landing on the Moon. |
| Barls Knarkley
User ID: 28648
10/9/2007 12:09 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Would you care to explain why the long axis of your 'globe' is always in line with the other lens flares, in every single picture? Why would it do that if it was an actual object rather than a photographic artifact? Like the post from Education Forum said, it would require that the globe be specifically aligned with the centre of each and every shot. That's one heck of a 'whistle blow'. Alternatively, it isn't a globe.
Duh. For the same reason it would be if you took a picture of an HMI light on a Hollywood set. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 258729
I'm sorry, what? Total rubbish. Care to justify this? Thought not.
The long axis of a lightbulb is under no obligation to perfectly line up with lens flares. In each Apollo sahot it lines up perfectly with the centre of the picture. Would you care to explain what law of optics causes this to happen? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 258729
10/9/2007 12:11 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
As if every photographer doesn't know the difference between artifacts created by a strong light source passing through the multiple elements of a lens and the light source itself.
Yep. They do. Which is why there isn't a huge controversy regarding this issue. Unless you believe that every photographer in the world is in on the conspiracy?
I note that you have no answer as to why the long axis of the 'bulb' is always perfectly aligned with the lens flares. Quoting: Barls Knarkley 28648
You noted wrong. I did answer it.
But as usual, you're spouting crap and answering questions with questions.
So I'll keep posting this link: [link to aulis.com]
NASA says it's the sun, which is impossible. You haven't said anything except imply it's "lens flare", which is ridiculous.
So what is it? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 258729
10/9/2007 12:17 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Would you care to explain what law of optics causes this to happen? Quoting: Barls Knarkley 28648
More questions with questions, like you know what the fuck you're talking about except to try and instill doubt with technical jibberish and minutiae.
Here's MY question -- NASA claims it's the sun.
What say you? And answering a question with a question doesn't count. |
| Barls Knarkley
User ID: 28648
10/9/2007 12:27 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Would you care to explain what law of optics causes this to happen?
More questions with questions, like you know what the fuck you're talking about except to try and instill doubt with technical jibberish and minutiae.
Here's MY question -- NASA claims it's the sun.
What say you? And answering a question with a question doesn't count. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 258729
No, you don't get to dictate the form of my answer just so you can avoid the hard questions. If you think I'm speaking gibberish, then maybe that's just because you are unwilling to admit you know very little about the subject at hand.
It is a lens flare. You have in no way answered my point about it being in line with the centre of each photo and with the other lens flares - you just declared that Hollywood does the same thing with studio lights. I say rubbish.
I've already given one reason why it is lens flare - the perfect alignment. You have provided no reason why your bald assertion could be considered an equally likely possibility. I've lobbed the ball back over the net, now it's your turn. Provide a reason to match the one I've given./ |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 169209
10/9/2007 4:12 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
"LIFTOFF.
Someone were wondering why the whole liftoff from the moon wasnt filmed.
It took me about 3 min to find this clip, its Apollo 17 on its way home.
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov] """
Great video.
But one has to wonder how the camera pans out at the exact moment of liftoff, and then pans up as it goes away.
Maybe they left a guy on the moon to operate the camera?
Like a janitor guy that just came along for the ride?
Lemme guess. They had a super high tech video cam that knew exactly when to zoom out, then automatically pan up as this took place |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 260950
10/9/2007 5:04 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
""LIFTOFF.
Someone were wondering why the whole liftoff from the moon wasnt filmed.
It took me about 3 min to find this clip, its Apollo 17 on its way home.""
Great video.
But one has to wonder how the camera pans out at the exact moment of liftoff, and then pans up as it goes away.
Maybe they left a guy on the moon to operate the camera?
Like a janitor guy that just came along for the ride? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 260950
10/9/2007 5:08 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
"No, you don't get to dictate the form of my answer"
In other words, when I cannot answer, I will just try to sound clever by answering with a question.
Whenever someone answers a question with another question, its a sure sign they cant answer. |
| SpaceCadet
User ID: 16644
10/9/2007 5:15 AM
| | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
But one has to wonder how the camera pans out at the exact moment of liftoff, and then pans up as it goes away.
Maybe they left a guy on the moon to operate the camera?
Like a janitor guy that just came along for the ride? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 260950
I'll beat Barls or Hazzard to this one, they 'apparently' had someone at NASA controlling it by remote. They do everything with countdowns at NASA to Synchronize their watches, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0, blastoff.
Nothing was left to chance, Apollo 11 astronauts even left their TV movie scripts on the Moon, right by the Cast Bronze Plaque & little tin man toy. |
| Barls Knarkley
User ID: 28648
10/9/2007 5:51 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Below is the link to an 80-page interview with Ed Fendell, the guy who designed the camera system used on the rovers. He also operated the camera for Apollo 15, 16 and 17. Starting on about page 55 you will find a description of how he practiced for the takeoff shot, and why it didn't work for Apollo 15 and 16.
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
The secret was lots and lots of practice, along with the astronauts parking the rover in the right spot. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 309980
10/9/2007 6:43 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Read clavius.org Quoting: Barls Knarkley 28648
What the same Clavius.org that claims that L H Oswald was the lone assasin & that 911 was carried out by OBL?
Now i know your full of shit.Just like your explanation regarding the disappearing tracks under the rover's. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 187192
10/9/2007 6:56 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
The astronauts really believe they were up there - thanks MK-ULTRA projects!
Remember, those guys are NOT civilians. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 309982
10/9/2007 6:57 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Read clavius.org
What the same Clavius.org that claims that L H Oswald was the lone assasin & that 911 was carried out by OBL?
Now i know your full of shit.Just like your explanation regarding the disappearing tracks under the rover's. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 309980
Clavius ??? My god Knarls, your more desperate for credibility than those Nazi pop twins.Clavius & its forum regulars are the most pathetic there is. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 187192
10/9/2007 7:04 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
It remains an absolute fact, no matter how you slice it or dice it, there is *NOTHING* that can PROVE we were really on the moon (at least back then). It IS practically concievable and was / is doable to stage the whole operation(s), and would make a helluva lot of sense. Risk failure or have access to a gargantuan amount of taxpayers money to finance decades of nefarious infrastructure of secretive operations such as digging thousands of kilometers of tunnels with nuclear-powered drills, underground cities, mindfucking the general population etc? How would you decide?
Until I get coordinates of the landing site and look up there with a freakin' high powered telescope with at least 1m/pp resolution, there is nothing on the face of this planet that can convince me otherwise. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 260950
10/9/2007 7:05 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Below is the link to an 80-page interview with Ed Fendell, the guy who designed the camera system used on the rovers. He also operated the camera for Apollo 15, 16 and 17. Starting on about page 55 you will find a description of how he practiced for the takeoff shot, and why it didn't work for Apollo 15 and 16.
[ link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
The secret was lots and lots of practice, along with the astronauts parking the rover in the right spot.
Ya kiddin, right? Thats "the secret"? Just practice, old chum! Oh man, you got to be joking.
And another Nasa link. Linking to Nasa for info is like linking to Jeffrey Dahmer's website to hear him say why he is innocent. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 260950
10/9/2007 7:10 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Can you name just ONE filmed interview with the astronauts after their alleged moon trips where they appeared elated, proud or happy after being actually ON THE MOON?
How many have you looked for? Quoting: Barls Knarkley 28648
In other words, Barls can't explain that one. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 66784
10/9/2007 7:19 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Can you name just ONE filmed interview with the astronauts after their alleged moon trips where they appeared elated, proud or happy after being actually ON THE MOON?
How many have you looked for?
In other words, Barls can't explain that one. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 260950
OK. So maybe Barls or HAZZARD or someone else can provide a link to a video clip showing astronauts who alledgedly went to the Moon and landed on it being jolly, carefree and upbeat.
 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 309982
10/9/2007 7:21 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Can you name just ONE filmed interview with the astronauts after their alleged moon trips where they appeared elated, proud or happy after being actually ON THE MOON?
How many have you looked for?
In other words, Barls can't explain that one.
OK. So maybe Barls or HAZZARD or someone else can provide a link to a video clip showing astronauts who alledgedly went to the Moon and landed on it being jolly, carefree and upbeat.
Give him 5 minutes to check on clavius, they have everything on there aparently.Jackass. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 66784
10/9/2007 7:26 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
One way is for someone to take a court case against all of the Moon Landing ex-astronauts still alive, for partaking in fraud on the USA public & the rest of the world. Since the ones still alive are all now private citizens, it should be easy to do.
Force all of those innocent until proven guilty men to take polygraph tests, and other truth telling tests.
Also test all of them to see if they have had hypnotherapy done on them, to make them all believe the fairy tales they have told about landing on the Moon. Quoting: SpaceCadet
I like this idea!
It would never work, of course. A tame grand jury would throw it out, on the orders of TPTB.
However, it might stir things up sufficiently to raise further suspicions among the sheeple. |
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