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| shameless
User ID: 298864
10/9/2007 7:47 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
This is a mute question, cuz we will never know for sure, along with JFK and the grassy knoll the whole twin towers thing, doubts are all we have.
Do I think we went to the moon ? I honestly dont know, could the moon landings have been faked ? anything is possible.
If you really want to know build your own rocketship and land on the moon and see for yourself.
Same for the twin towers, rebuild the structures and fly two remote controlled planes into them.
Or you could just let it go and learn to live with not having all the answers. |
| HAZZARD
User ID: 308422
10/9/2007 9:31 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
This is realy funny! The hoaxbelievers are asking us --How was the takoff filmed--Flag waiving-- LRV fit in the Lander--bla,bla,bla...etc.
When we answer the question with hard scientific fact that the entire world of science, and not all US friendly countrys, agrees with as FACT. What do the HBs do!!??
Do they stop and think for a minute...!?
No way, they just jump on the woo woo train again and shoots out another claim or question.
If you dont trust the "debunkers" AND ALL OUR ANSWERS then how about the Soviet union!!
Remember that going to the moon had nothing to do with science as much as the race with the Soviet Union.
It is impossible that the moon landings were faked.
The Soviets had sent spacecraft (albeit unmanned vehicles) around the moon before America, so they were capable of tracking Apollo.
We know that the Soviet missions were not fake because they were tracked from the west. Some of the first pictures of the far side of the moon were release by Jodrell Bank Radio Telescope in the UK BEFORE the Soviets released them.
So if we could track their missions they could track the US.
The only way Apollo could possibly be faked is if the Soviet Union was part of the cover up, but as the Soviets were trying to beat the USA why would thet lie? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 310040
10/9/2007 10:25 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
This is realy funny! The hoaxbelievers are asking us --How was the takoff filmed--Flag waiving-- LRV fit in the Lander--bla,bla,bla...etc. Quoting: HAZZARD 308422
Yeah that is funny, Rocket thrust from lander wasn't powerful enough to kick up a lot of dust, but was capable of nearly blowing the flag to pieces.
The only way Apollo could possibly be faked is if the Soviet Union was part of the cover up, but as the Soviets were trying to beat the USA why would thet lie? Quoting: HAZZARD 308422
So they wouldn't have to fake going themselves. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 308933
10/9/2007 10:34 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I think you all need more experience in the investigation of alleged crime.
When in doubt as to whether a crime such as fraud has actually occurred or not, the first step is to ask: Is anyone obstructing justice? In other words, are witnesses refusing to give testimony? Are holders of evidence refusing to produce that evidence for examination--or worse, destroying the evidence, claiming that it has been "lost," or claiming that it never really existed? Those who obstruct justice are already committing a serious crime by that very fact; but they are almost certainly covering up a much more serious crime.
Some people will object that the legal crime of obstructing justice only applies when the Law Enforcement Complex officially requests the evidence or testimony. But we are speaking here of the moral crime of obstructing justice. Since the American citizenry is supposed to own and control its government, it follows that the government has a moral obligation to answer honestly and completely when called to account by its owners, the citizens. The government has absolutely no moral right ever to lie to citizens, nor may it withhold information or testimony, except for short periods in rare circumstances.
Thus, in the case of the alleged moon landing hoax, these are to me some of the most pertinent allegations:
1) That the true cause of the Grissom disaster was covered up, and its witnesses silenced:
[link to history.nasa.gov]
---
Ironically, Baron and all his family died in a car-train crash only a week after this exposure to congressional questioning.
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2) That the original high-quality recordings of the 1969 moon walk are "missing":
[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
3) That some evidence from the Apollo missions is still classified, otherwise hidden, or destroyed.
4) That some testimony, such as the absence of stars, contradicts recent unbiased testimony:
[link to www.flysouth.co.za]
---
"Seeing the bright blue sky turning pitch-black and seeing stars appear while it is day time is absolutely mind-blowing."
---
Etc.
The key point here is not to engage in purely scientific debates with NASA. NASA will always "win" in the public's mind because NASA is deemed to be the "expert."
Rather, look for obstruction of justice. It is a crime in itself and almost always indicates coverup of a much greater crime. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 308933
10/9/2007 10:38 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
The only way Apollo could possibly be faked is if the Soviet Union was part of the cover up, but as the Soviets were trying to beat the USA why would thet lie? Quoting: HAZZARD 308422
The most obvious response to this is:
Today, Russia knows very well that our government itself carried out the 9/11 attacks. Yet Russia does not publicly expose our leaders' fraud.
The reason is obvious. Exposure of another country's fraud yields at best some short-lived propaganda gain, will often not be believed anyway, and exposes one's own country to similar charges, justified or not; whereas a conditional agreement to participate in the coverup yields large long-term blackmail possibilities.
In short, long-term blackmail is much sweeter to most world leaders than a quick I-told-you-so. |
| HAZZARD
User ID: 308422
10/9/2007 11:37 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Yeah that is funny, Rocket thrust from lander wasn't powerful enough to kick up a lot of dust, but was capable of nearly blowing the flag to pieces. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 310040
Ok, lets do this one more time...
WHY THERE WAS NO BLAST CRATER.
First, lets consider several facts... (1) Although the Lunar Module descent engine was capable of 10,000 lbs of thrust (the usual hoax advocate's claim), it was throttled down to below 3,000 lbs as it neared the lunar surface.
While still several feet above the ground, the descent engine was shut down as probes, extending 5 feet below the footpads, sensed contact with the surface.
(2) The LM descended at an angle, moving laterally across the ground. When the astronauts identified a suitable landing site, the LM leveled off and dropped to the surface.
The LM did not hover over its final landing site for any significant length of time.
3) The Moons surface is covered by a rocky material called lunar regolith, which consists of fine dust particles, glass spheres and a jumble of large boulders and rocky debris.
And listen now....Lunar regolith has many unique properties, the most obvious being that the particles are very jagged, which causes them to interlock. When subjected to pressure, the regolith will resist, almost like solid rock.
(4) In a vacuum exhaust gases expand rapidly once exiting the engine nozzle.
When one considers these facts the truth becomes obvious -
The exhaust stream was NOT powerful enough or centralized enough to displace the regolith and blast out a crater.
Under Apollo 11 one can see some discoloration and a general lack of dust, which was blown away. After the dust was removed a hard surface was exposed.
The End. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 310076
10/9/2007 12:02 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
And listen now....Lunar regolith has many unique properties, the most obvious being that the particles are very jagged, which causes them to interlock. When subjected to pressure, the regolith will resist, almost like solid rock.
The End. Quoting: HAZZARD 308422
Conveniently.
"Like solid rock"!, yet the astronots said that the surface was mostly like fine volcanic beach sand.So fine infact that they still had moondust in their skin & under their fngernails for weeks after they returned!Doesn't sound like the Apollo friendly surface you speak of. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 260950
10/9/2007 12:02 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
"3) The Moons surface is covered by a rocky material called lunar regolith, which consists of fine dust particles, glass spheres and a jumble of large boulders and rocky debris."
And listen now....Lunar regolith has many unique properties, the most obvious being that the particles are very jagged, which causes them to interlock. When subjected to pressure, the regolith will resist, almost like solid rock"
Well, we have no idea what the moon's surface is covered in, as we havent been there. All we have is the claims of the same agency that put out these silly films that are looking more and more silly as time goes by.
No dust disturbed under the lander? Well, no problem- they turned it off way before it landed; problem solved.
No stars? No problem. Ya see, you cant see stars in space, Forget what Yuri Gagarin said about them, forget what SR-71 pilots have said. These fine astronauts just never saw stars, not on the moon, not on the ride, not leaving the atmosphere, no where. Nobody ever saw stars on Apollo trips.
As for Russia, here is the deal. You should view governments like the way you view organized crime families. When the Gambino family has someone whacked out, the Genovese family doesnt show up at the local police station to give info on the crime.
At the end of WW2, at least 12-20,000 US servicemen got sent to Russian gulags, never to be heard from again. Never heard that one, huh? The US government never said a word about it.
If you want to believe this moon landing nonsense, fine, but dont think everyone is as gullible as you. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 132975
10/9/2007 12:09 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I think you all need more experience in the investigation of alleged crime.
When in doubt as to whether a crime such as fraud has actually occurred or not, the first step is to ask: Is anyone obstructing justice? In other words, are witnesses refusing to give testimony? Are holders of evidence refusing to produce that evidence for examination--or worse, destroying the evidence, claiming that it has been "lost," or claiming that it never really existed? Those who obstruct justice are already committing a serious crime by that very fact; but they are almost certainly covering up a much more serious crime.
Some people will object that the legal crime of obstructing justice only applies when the Law Enforcement Complex officially requests the evidence or testimony. But we are speaking here of the moral crime of obstructing justice. Since the American citizenry is supposed to own and control its government, it follows that the government has a moral obligation to answer honestly and completely when called to account by its owners, the citizens. The government has absolutely no moral right ever to lie to citizens, nor may it withhold information or testimony, except for short periods in rare circumstances.
Thus, in the case of the alleged moon landing hoax, these are to me some of the most pertinent allegations:
1) That the true cause of the Grissom disaster was covered up, and its witnesses silenced:
[ link to history.nasa.gov]
---
Ironically, Baron and all his family died in a car-train crash only a week after this exposure to congressional questioning.
---
2) That the original high-quality recordings of the 1969 moon walk are "missing":
[ link to www.washingtonpost.com]
3) That some evidence from the Apollo missions is still classified, otherwise hidden, or destroyed.
4) That some testimony, such as the absence of stars, contradicts recent unbiased testimony:
[ link to www.flysouth.co.za]
---
"Seeing the bright blue sky turning pitch-black and seeing stars appear while it is day time is absolutely mind-blowing."
---
Etc.
The key point here is not to engage in purely scientific debates with NASA. NASA will always "win" in the public's mind because NASA is deemed to be the "expert."
Rather, look for obstruction of justice. It is a crime in itself and almost always indicates coverup of a much greater crime.
Excellent post!
But, do you think a lawsuit as mentioned above could have a hope in hell of ever getting to the "discovery" phase, never mind bringing justice? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 260950
10/9/2007 12:28 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
And listen now....Lunar regolith has many unique properties, the most obvious being that the particles are very jagged, which causes them to interlock. When subjected to pressure, the regolith will resist, almost like solid rock.
The End.
Conveniently.
"Like solid rock"!, yet the astronots said that the surface was mostly like fine volcanic beach sand.So fine infact that they still had moondust in their skin & under their fngernails for weeks after they returned!Doesn't sound like the Apollo friendly surface you speak of. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 310076
Alice in Wonderland.
See, solid rock and fine dust really are one and the same, you see.
Just ask the Mad Hatter and the Cheshire cat.
Stars? There are no stars, silly. But I can see them.
You can only see them on Earth. In space, of course, they vanish. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 310087
10/9/2007 12:38 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
And listen now....Lunar regolith has many unique properties, the most obvious being that the particles are very jagged, which causes them to interlock. When subjected to pressure, the regolith will resist, almost like solid rock.
The End.
Conveniently.
"Like solid rock"!, yet the astronots said that the surface was mostly like fine volcanic beach sand.So fine infact that they still had moondust in their skin & under their fngernails for weeks after they returned!Doesn't sound like the Apollo friendly surface you speak of.
Alice in Wonderland.
See, solid rock and fine dust really are one and the same, you see.
Just ask the Mad Hatter and the Cheshire cat.
Stars? There are no stars, silly. But I can see them.
You can only see them on Earth. In space, of course, they vanish. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 260950
LOL OP must feel like a total c*nt. Like rocks my ass,even a 3 year old can see that his statement is horseshit. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 310087
10/9/2007 12:53 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
& that's the reason why so many have doubts about Apollo, because they say one thing that contradicts, something else they've already said earlier. |
| Lt.
User ID: 287683
10/9/2007 2:45 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
>>The only way Apollo could possibly be faked is if the Soviet Union was part of the cover up, but as the Soviets were trying to beat the USA why would thet lie?<<
Hazzard,
Russians were always famous to welcome their guests (and, especially, their friends) with bread and salt, lol... And you don't seem to know your history. Read about detente negotiations that started in 1969 (Apollo-11 - first landing) and achieved first results in 1972 (Apollo-17 - last landing) - so called SALT I. Also read about the grain sales agreement of 1972 between the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. aka "the Great Grain Robbery"... Don't get me wrong, though, I do not try to defend lies and unfair deals, just answering your question, lol...
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[link to www.sweetliberty.org]
Admiral Elmo Zumwalt has described the situation in this hardly flattering but frankly accurate passage:
"The Soviets see the United States right now as a great placid bovine chewing its cud in the sun and with two huge udders extended to them, one labeled grain and the other labeled technology. It stands there letting itself be milked dry, twitching its tail contentedly, too lazy and too placid to notice."
Of the myriad deals Herr Kissinger has arranged for his Soviet friends in the past eight years, only one almost became a public scandal. It wasn't all that more important than the Secretary's other pacts and promises, it was just a lot more obvious.
We're referring, of course, to the "great grain robbery" of 1972. It was a performance that made the Brink's robbery seem like a kindergarten heist of four marbles and one slightly licked lollipop.
Before most Americans knew what was happening, the Soviets had purchased a whopping twenty-five percent of the U.S. wheat crop at bargain-basement prices. The sale created a wheat shortage in the United States, with the result that bread prices suddenly shot through the ceiling.
But that was just part of the story. We financed the loan, so the Soviets could make the purchase, and we also subsidized the freight to get the grain to them.
Kissinger followed up this Soviet success with a five-year agreement, signed in October 1975, which entitles the Soviets to buy a minimum of six million metric tons of U.S. grain annually, beginning with the 1976 crop year. It is a "swap deal" -- we are supposed to keep the usually empty Soviet larder stocked, while in return the Soviets will sell us ten million metric tons of oil and oil products each year.
Part of the deal allows the Russians to buy up to seven million more tons of U.S. grain before the five-year agreement takes effect in the fall of 1976. Oren Staley, President of the national Farmers Organization, called the deal an "outrageous interference with American farmers' free markets." Staley said the agreement represented "government dictatorship with a vengeance" and added that American farmers have been "lied to, betrayed and sold down the river".
While russia was placing orders for American wheat, American corn, and American rice, food prices in the U.S. were rising 29 percent in two years. Under the circumstances, it was indeed strange to see Kissinger and his cronies begging the Communists to cart away American grain.
But the madness of detente did not stop there. By 1975 it reached such ridiculous extremes as the U.S. government authorizing a private American firm to sell two sets of plans for a sophisticated new cargo ship to the Soviets for $500,000 each -- after the Defense Department had invested $57.5 million in the project. And on and on it goes.
...
Testifying at a Congressional hearing on detente, Meany also assailed the Export-Import Bank for its giveaway credit rates:
"What American can get a loan at six percent? This isn't trade. This is a welfare program for Russia."
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| HAZZARD
User ID: 308422
10/9/2007 3:19 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
AND ONE MORE TIME -FOR THE CHEAP SEATS.
Lunar regolith has many unique properties, the most obvious being that the particles are very jagged, which causes them to interlock.
When subjected to pressure, the regolith will resist, ALMOST like solid rock.
How hard can it be to read and understand this simple fact!? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 260950
10/9/2007 3:36 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
AND ONE MORE TIME -FOR THE CHEAP SEATS.
Lunar regolith has many unique properties, the most obvious being that the particles are very jagged, which causes them to interlock.
When subjected to pressure, the regolith will resist, ALMOST like solid rock.
How hard can it be to read and understand this simple fact!? Quoting: HAZZARD 308422
So its only sand/dust when the "astronauts" are driving around in their moon-mobile?
Or when they are playing golf on the "moon"?
When they are landing, then its like solid rock type stuff, dude.
Its whatever they want it to be, whenever they want it to be.
Now that I think of it, why would you bring a dune buggy to the moon??
Suppose you flip the thing over and your space-suit tears? Wouldnt that be a death sentence? I mean, those suits didnt look all that tough. Suppose you break an arm, or worse, your neck??
But those guys were tearing around in that dune buggy, waving, having a grand old time.
And how come no film of them unloading that cool dune buggy on the moon? Shouldnt we have seen some pics of that?
And where did they stow the golf clubs? Did they bring the golf clubs back? Are they in the Golf hall of Fame? |
| HAZZARD
User ID: 308422
10/9/2007 3:55 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Ralph Rene is a charlatan, at best.
Many of Renes comments reveal that he has a poor grasp of engineering and scientific knowledge, which is a consequence of his being self-taught.
There is more undisputed evidence for the landing on the moon.
Ever heard of the Lunar laser ranging experiment???
Does the Apollo 11-14 and 15 retroreflectors on the Moon ring a bell!??
The experiment was made possible by a retroreflector array installed on July 21, 1969, by the crew of the Apollo 11.
Two more retroreflector arrays left by the Apollo 14 and Apollo 15 missions have contributed to the experiment.
Scientists have reflected lasers off these to measure the distance between Earth and the Moon.
The distance has been measured repeatedly hundreds of times/year over a period of more than 35 years.
As of 2002 work is progressing on increasing the accuracy of the Earth-Moon measurements to near millimeter accuracy.
Some of the findings of this long-term experiment are...
-The moon is spiraling away from Earth at a rate of 3.8 cm per year, due to the Earth's ocean tides.
-The moon probably has a liquid core of about 20% of the Moon's radius.
-Einsteins theory of gravity (the general theory of relativity) predicts the moons orbit to within the accuracy of the laser ranging measurements.
-The undeniable presence of the reflectors on the Moons surface is now also being used to refute claims that the Apollo landings were faked....
But then again, for the people that are still pulling the old "no stars" and "waiving flag" routine, the retroreflector arrays means nothing.
Why should it. |
| HAZZARD
User ID: 308422
10/9/2007 3:59 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
And how come no film of them unloading that cool dune buggy on the moon? Shouldnt we have seen some pics of that?
And where did they stow the golf clubs? Did they bring the golf clubs back? Are they in the Golf hall of Fame? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 260950
Ok, what if I showed you exactly were they "stowed" the LRV! And the "unloading"... would that convince you!? |
| Lt.
User ID: 287683
10/9/2007 4:36 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
>>There is more undisputed evidence for the landing on the moon.
Ever heard of the Lunar laser ranging experiment???
Does the Apollo 11-14 and 15 retroreflectors on the Moon ring a bell!??<<
Hazzard,
Have you ever heard of the Soviet Lunokhod 1 and 2 ? They are the proof that you don't have to send a manned mission to the Moon to deliver the retroreflector arrays and make them work. Or is that the proof that the Russians landed on the Moon too according to your logic, lol? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 260950
10/9/2007 4:48 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Ralph Rene is a charlatan, at best.
Many of Renes comments reveal that he has a poor grasp of engineering and scientific knowledge, which is a consequence of his being self-taught.
There is more undisputed evidence for the landing on the moon.
Ever heard of the Lunar laser ranging experiment???
Does the Apollo 11-14 and 15 retroreflectors on the Moon ring a bell!??
The experiment was made possible by a retroreflector array installed on July 21, 1969, by the crew of the Apollo 11.
Two more retroreflector arrays left by the Apollo 14 and Apollo 15 missions have contributed to the experiment.
Scientists have reflected lasers off these to measure the distance between Earth and the Moon.
The distance has been measured repeatedly hundreds of times/year over a period of more than 35 years.
As of 2002 work is progressing on increasing the accuracy of the Earth-Moon measurements to near millimeter accuracy.
Some of the findings of this long-term experiment are...
-The moon is spiraling away from Earth at a rate of 3.8 cm per year, due to the Earth's ocean tides.
-The moon probably has a liquid core of about 20% of the Moon's radius.
-Einsteins theory of gravity (the general theory of relativity) predicts the moons orbit to within the accuracy of the laser ranging measurements.
-The undeniable presence of the reflectors on the Moons surface is now also being used to refute claims that the Apollo landings were faked....
But then again, for the people that are still pulling the old "no stars" and "waiving flag" routine, the retroreflector arrays means nothing.
Why should it. Quoting: HAZZARD 308422
No doubt you can show us film of them setting up the "retro-reflector display" on the moon from July, 1969? This surely was worthy of film.
This claim is always good.
When you ask for photos or film of the "retro-reflector" display on the moon, all you hear is crickets chirping.
"The undeniable presence of the reflectors on the Moons surface"
Undeniable? I deny it. Show it to me.
This must have been some task on the moon in 1969. No doubt they have film of this reflector being erected.
I mean, come on. They filmed the dune buggy drives, the golf playing, surely they filmed the installation of the "retro-reflectors"?
I mean, like, right? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 260950
10/9/2007 4:53 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
And how come no film of them unloading that cool dune buggy on the moon? Shouldnt we have seen some pics of that?
And where did they stow the golf clubs? Did they bring the golf clubs back? Are they in the Golf hall of Fame?
Ok, what if I showed you exactly were they "stowed" the LRV! And the "unloading"... would that convince you!? Quoting: HAZZARD 308422
You have not addressed how dangerous a dune buggy would be on the moon, while wearing space suits.
No air, killer heat,yet they would be driving around like they were on a golf course.
Suppose they flip the dune buggy?
A tear in the space suit?
A broken limb or neck??
Cheap seats, indeed.
Somtimes you have a better view in the cheap seats. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 260950
10/9/2007 5:20 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
"Ralph Rene is a charlatan, at best."
charlatan
noun
a flamboyant deceiver; one who attracts customers with tricks or jokes
Rene benefits very little from the moon hoax. He self printed a book on the moon hoax, quite well documented, if you read it.
NASA made billions.
Who benefits more? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 260950
10/9/2007 6:43 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Chirp Chirp.
Crickets. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 132975
10/9/2007 7:05 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Hey, Barls, HAZZARD, whoever,
Got a link or two to videos of happy-camper Apollo astroguys looking proud and happy after the amazing feat of being the first few humans to actually walk on the Moon?
Didn't think so.
There's only that post-mortem vid of Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins looking shifty, guilty and ashamed. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 260950
10/9/2007 7:50 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
And how come no film of them unloading that cool dune buggy on the moon? Shouldnt we have seen some pics of that?
And where did they stow the golf clubs? Did they bring the golf clubs back? Are they in the Golf hall of Fame?
Ok, what if I showed you exactly were they "stowed" the LRV! And the "unloading"... would that convince you!? Quoting: HAZZARD 308422
I think you would have if you could. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 262563
10/9/2007 8:20 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I think you would have if you could. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 260950
You avoided his question.
Ok, what if he showed you exactly were they "stowed" the LRV! And the "unloading"... would that convince you!?
Would it or wouldn't it? |
| Dune Buggy Leaps of Faith!
User ID: 215760
10/9/2007 9:27 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
There is a pic on Youtube somewhere showing the dune buggy being unloaded from the side of a lunar lander, I've watch it a couple of times. It was all folded up quite small and compact, the astronaut is seen pulling a cord, and out unfolds the buggy.
Then they place the chairs and equipment in it, and away they drove doing burnouts over the sandhills. Also leaping over hills and being susspended in the air for 6 times than it normally would being on Earth. After all the gravity is meant to be 6 times lighter on the Moon! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 310422
10/10/2007 8:49 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
AND ONE MORE TIME -FOR THE CHEAP SEATS.
Lunar regolith has many unique properties, the most obvious being that the particles.... Quoting: HAZZARD 308422
Do whatever Hazard needs them to do. Like they said above, you must feel like a total fanny for writing the shit you write & have it shown to be BS by some noivce on GLp no less.
Wanker. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 310458
10/10/2007 10:30 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 308933
10/10/2007 10:46 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
But, do you think a lawsuit as mentioned above could have a hope in hell of ever getting to the "discovery" phase, never mind bringing justice? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 132975
Not without a major shakeup in the political power structure. Sorry. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 302256
10/10/2007 11:27 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
And how come no film of them unloading that cool dune buggy on the moon? Shouldnt we have seen some pics of that?
And where did they stow the golf clubs? Did they bring the golf clubs back? Are they in the Golf hall of Fame?
Ok, what if I showed you exactly were they "stowed" the LRV! And the "unloading"... would that convince you!?
You have not addressed how dangerous a dune buggy would be on the moon, while wearing space suits.
No air, killer heat,yet they would be driving around like they were on a golf course.
Suppose they flip the dune buggy?
A tear in the space suit?
A broken limb or neck??
Cheap seats, indeed.
Somtimes you have a better view in the cheap seats. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 260950
The latest arguments supporting the notion of a hoaxed landing have gotten more specious than I thought possible.
The astronauts flew from the earth to the moon, and you would have us believe that the dangers of the lunar rover would be a decisive factor for determining if the whole thing was a hoax?
You HBs must have holes in your heads as big as the holes in your arguments. (Yes, that was an ad- hom, but I long ago concluded you HBs are beyond reason) |
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