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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 311719
10/13/2007 7:56 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
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""You see cables holding up the astronuts?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311276
No. Got an example we can examine together?""
[ link to youtube.com]
We will not be examing it together, as I already have seen it.
This shows several clips from several "moon missions" where one can see the wires.
Pay special attention to the seen with the 2 astronauts with the golf club.
More lens flare, I'm sure.
Dude.. those are the antenna's on the back packs that are reflecting sunlight/studio light. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 311736
10/13/2007 8:48 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Barls said: "So you do everything you can to hide them. So, to support your theory, you need to explain why the wires were a bright silvery colour rqather than a more sensible, and industry stadard, black."
Nope. Flawed logic
I do not need to explain why they used silver or black wires.
Nasa can explain that if they like, I was not part of it.
The wires are obviously visible. The fact that they did a poor job of it requires no explanation from me.
In the scene where one guy falls down, he is obviously lifted up in a way that it is obvious a wire took his weight.
As for where it is attached- same thing. Requires no explanation from me or anyone else. Its there, we see it. Where they attached it to him is irrelevant to anything.
Where they attached Peter Pans wires- equally irrelevant.
We see them. That aint no antenna. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 311736
10/13/2007 8:53 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
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""You see cables holding up the astronuts?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311276
No. Got an example we can examine together?""
[ link to youtube.com]
We will not be examing it together, as I already have seen it.
This shows several clips from several "moon missions" where one can see the wires.
Pay special attention to the seen with the 2 astronauts with the golf club.
More lens flare, I'm sure.
Dude.. those are the antenna's on the back packs that are reflecting sunlight/studio light.
Studio light, huh? Indeed, lol. Are you saying it was filmed in a studio?
Antenna's? I doubt that. Unless they have a magical property that can lift them up when they are on the ground. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 308933
10/13/2007 9:19 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
these two have repetedly answered all your questions,and still you ignorant fools keep throwing shit at them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 264194
The above statement is quite laughable, because it shows a total lack of understanding of what Truth and Proof are.
It really doesn't matter what "answers" the two debunkers give. Indeed, it doesn't even matter what "answers" NASA gives, unless those answers are in the form of corroborated testimony under oath in open court.
Our society's historical legal system rightly scorns any "answers" that are not under oath in open court, and indeed we scorn any "evidence" unless those who created and/or preserved the evidence testify to their actions under oath in open court. Of course, this assumes that a significant fraction of the ordinary population is unwilling to grievously offend God by committing perjury.
What we really need is a taxpayer's lawsuit against NASA, alleging fraud. NASA would then be obliged to make all its original evidence available for examination, and all its current and former employees available for sworn testimony. Our society as a whole--including politicians, the media, etc.--would have to send a clear message to those testifying that we want the truth, regardless of what it is.
By the way, there is another standard of proof, used in the scientific world: reproducibility. Nothing in science is considered "proven" until the same experiment has been repeated by multiple independent parties with the same results. Obviously, the alleged moon mission utterly fails to meet this standard.
I once again must invoke the famous words of Professor Lindenbrook in the 1959 film, "Journey to the Center of the Earth":
A scientist who cannot prove what he has accomplished has accomplished nothing. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 297306
10/13/2007 11:29 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Maybe the missing boxes would include photos/videos of a visible flame coming from the ascent engine. Even the shuttle's thrusters show exhaust. I would expect more than a few sparklers from a 3500lb thrust engine.
We cannot see any flames from the lander takeoff from the moon because the lander rockets used a combination of hydrazine and dinitrogen tetroxide.
These substances burn with practically an invisible flame in a vacuum. So no flame would be seen.
..but doesn't the shuttle use the same combo, and exhaust can be seen from it's thrusters.....????? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 297306
..no rebuttal? For my part, the ascent was the part that looked least real. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 132975
10/13/2007 11:47 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Of course the exposure time is longer for taking pics of the stars at night on Earth, and also on the Moon, bacause of the clash of 'other' light sources.
However very quick shutter speeds are all that is required when a pic is being taken of the stars through the window of any of the Apollo's on the way to and from the Moon. This of course is when the Sun is on the opposite side of the any of the Apollo ships from where the window is. The Earth & Moon also not being in the view from any of the Apollo ships window. Also with the lights turned off inside the Apollo ships.
Utterly untrue. The exposure time needed to capture something depends on the brightness of it. Excluding any bright planets from the view of the cameras doesn't make the stars more bright; they're just as faint as always. The difference is that the stars are relatively more bright (all of the other factors that make the stars relatively dim are excluded). However, the most important thing to know that "relatively more bright" means nothing for a photo camera.
Just to explain: if you make a picture of a plant lit a certain way with a dark background, the plant can look very bright. However, if you take a a picture of the plant (with the light setup), only this time with a very bright background, your plant would be just as bright as before on a camera (using the same exposure settings), but it would be relatively far less bright. That's the difference.
(BTW, I took my plant example from this video: [ link to www.youtube.com] )
Oh, shut up about the photography, already!
Why did the Apollo astronauts "not recall" seeing stars at ANY TIME during the missions?
Yuri Gagarin certainly saw a magnificent vista of stars when he orbited well above Earth's atmosphere. So did test pilots who flew experimental aircraft as high as they could go.
WHY were the Apollonauts DIFFERENT? Were they half-blind? What? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 311736
10/13/2007 12:28 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Barls sayeth "You also need to explain why whoever directed the hoax footage would allow such a 'giveaway' into the released footage."
This is a common theme in Barl's whole belief system.
He keeps saying to us " Well, YOU must explain why they did such a bad job of it. If YOU cannot expain why they botched it so bad, then you are wrong". (Paraphrasing here)
Its all nonsense. We have all seen really, really bad movies where the special effects were horrid, laughable, even.
Of course, we were thinking, "how the hell could they do that so badly?"
But we watch the movie, laugh it off, and go about our daily business. Same here.
We have zero responsibility to explain the the numerous obvious errors in this comedy skit.
The whole thing looks like a Junior High School Audio/Visual Club production. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 132975
10/13/2007 12:55 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Barls sayeth "You also need to explain why whoever directed the hoax footage would allow such a 'giveaway' into the released footage."
This is a common theme in Barl's whole belief system.
He keeps saying to us " Well, YOU must explain why they did such a bad job of it. If YOU cannot expain why they botched it so bad, then you are wrong". (Paraphrasing here)
Its all nonsense. We have all seen really, really bad movies where the special effects were horrid, laughable, even.
Of course, we were thinking, "how the hell could they do that so badly?"
But we watch the movie, laugh it off, and go about our daily business. Same here.
We have zero responsibility to explain the the numerous obvious errors in this comedy skit.
The whole thing looks like a Junior High School Audio/Visual Club production. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311736
As the late, great Frank Zappa wrote, about cheesy B-movies;
".. the strings on the giant spider"
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| HAZZARD
User ID: 308422
10/13/2007 1:06 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
WIRES!!??
Many of the assertions made, LIKE THIS ONE, clearly show that no independent research whatsoever has been carried out, they are merely repeating information as if it were a proven fact, when in fact its utter nonsense.
Do you seriously believe that you have found "a smoking gun", REAL EVIDENCE OF A HOAX, and its wires(!)...And the world wide scientific comunity missed it for over thirty years!??
I am sometimes accused of treating hoax believers as if they are stupid.
The problem I face here is that if I am asked a really stupid question, or a really stupid claim, it is very difficult, if not impossible, to answer without making them appear to be stupid.
Some HBs tend on average to know very little about science - spaceflight, vacuum, gravity, geology, astro-photography, radiation, orbital mechanics, thermodynamics, etc.
Yet they feel amply qualified to challenge real astronomers, enginers, and known facts on these subjects.(!)
This last part at least make sense, for if they knew the facts they wouldnt believe it was a hoax! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 297306
10/13/2007 1:20 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
[link to internet.ocii.com]
Another image from Allen's book also shows flame and visible exhaust from the Orbital Maneuvering Subsystem. Orange-coloured exhaust, from a single 26400 N (6000 lb) OMS firing, is caused by the oxidizer, nitrogen tetroxide.
However, images and video of the lunar ascent and descent modules (LM), allegedly taken from the surface of the moon and from the Apollo Command/Service Module (C/SM), do not show flame or exhaust. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 132975
10/13/2007 1:52 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
[ link to internet.ocii.com]
Another image from Allen's book also shows flame and visible exhaust from the Orbital Maneuvering Subsystem. Orange-coloured exhaust, from a single 26400 N (6000 lb) OMS firing, is caused by the oxidizer, nitrogen tetroxide.
However, images and video of the lunar ascent and descent modules (LM), allegedly taken from the surface of the moon and from the Apollo Command/Service Module (C/SM), do not show flame or exhaust.
Ah, you see, they were using the "Premium grade" nitrogen tetroxide for Apollo.
Only the best that money could buy, for the "I don't recall seeing any stars" Apollonauts!
No (taxpayer) expense spared!
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 311736
10/13/2007 1:54 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Hazzard wrote: "Do you seriously believe that you have found "a smoking gun", REAL EVIDENCE OF A HOAX, and its wires(!)...And the world wide scientific comunity missed it for over thirty years!??""
Smoking gun? Call it what you will.
But the wires are there. And in the clip I posted, where the astroguy is on his knees, something obviously lifted him up. It is plain as day.
The "scientific community" can say anything they want. They can claim the sky is green if they want, but it doesnt change the reality that the sky is blue.
Scientists, governments, so-called "experts" can claim whatever they want.
But if shit doesnt add up, it doesnt add up.
Sorry. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 132975
10/13/2007 2:06 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
C'mon, debunkeristas;
"Why did the Apollo astronauts "not recall" seeing stars at ANY TIME during the missions?
Yuri Gagarin certainly saw a magnificent vista of stars when he orbited well above Earth's atmosphere. So did test pilots who flew experimental aircraft as high as they could go.
WHY were the Apollonauts DIFFERENT? Were they half-blind? What?£
Answer the question!
:scram: |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 132975
10/13/2007 2:38 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
C'mon, debunkeristas;
"Why did the Apollo astronauts "not recall" seeing stars at ANY TIME during the missions?
Yuri Gagarin certainly saw a magnificent vista of stars when he orbited well above Earth's atmosphere. So did test pilots who flew experimental aircraft as high as they could go.
WHY were the Apollonauts DIFFERENT? Were they half-blind? What?£
Answer the question!
:scram: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 132975
Answer the Goddamn question, you paid-shill debunker bastards!
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 289861
10/13/2007 3:03 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I was going to type out quite a lengthy response to that, but then I read your last post and decided you weren't worth the effort. I'm not a paid shill debunker.
Is throwing around insults a normal thing to do on this board? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 132975
10/13/2007 3:07 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I was going to type out quite a lengthy response to that, but then I read your last post and decided you weren't worth the effort. I'm not a paid shill debunker.
Is throwing around insults a normal thing to do on this board? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 289861
Yes, it is, and you are so fucking obvious that it's boring.
Fuck off, and let a proper paid-shill debunker respond to the question.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 311736
10/13/2007 3:12 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
""This last part at least make sense, for if they knew the facts they wouldnt believe it was a hoax!""
Then lets see it reproduced. Send 3 men to the moon. In 2007.
Hell, by now, almost 40 years later, they should have strip clubs on the moon. It should be a vacation spot, where we can all rent a lunar golf cart and tool around on film and then post it on Youtube for everyone to watch.
Yet no one can go there.
The greatest achievement in human history, and we cannot replicate it.
This many decades after the "fact", a trip to the moon should be an everyday occurence.
Like a trip to europe , or the US, used to be only for the extremely wealthy, now it is an everday event. Thats a natural progression.
We went from ´bi-planes to 747's. Progress.
But the moon is off-limits, we cannot replicate the earlier 1960's trips.
Think. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 216563
10/13/2007 3:17 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Hell, by now, almost 40 years later, they should have strip clubs on the moon. It should be a vacation spot, where we can all rent a lunar golf cart and tool around on film and then post it on Youtube for everyone to watch. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311736
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 132975
10/13/2007 3:18 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
""This last part at least make sense, for if they knew the facts they wouldnt believe it was a hoax!""
Then lets see it reproduced. Send 3 men to the moon. In 2007.
Hell, by now, almost 40 years later, they should have strip clubs on the moon. It should be a vacation spot, where we can all rent a lunar golf cart and tool around on film and then post it on Youtube for everyone to watch.
Yet no one can go there.
The greatest achievement in human history, and we cannot replicate it.
This many decades after the "fact", a trip to the moon should be an everyday occurence.
Like a trip to europe , or the US, used to be only for the extremely wealthy, now it is an everday event. Thats a natural progression.
We went from ´bi-planes to 747's. Progress.
But the moon is off-limits, we cannot replicate the earlier 1960's trips.
Think. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311736
Yep. The debunkers always say that "we've been there, looked around, got a few samples, set up some laser reflectors, and there's just no need to go back there anymore"!
Lunar tourism, operated by the private sector of visionaries and entrepreneurs, would be a multi-trillion dollar industry by now, if we COULD actually get there.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 289861
10/13/2007 3:35 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I was going to type out quite a lengthy response to that, but then I read your last post and decided you weren't worth the effort. I'm not a paid shill debunker.
Is throwing around insults a normal thing to do on this board?
Yes, it is, and you are so fucking obvious that it's boring.
Fuck off, and let a proper paid-shill debunker respond to the question.
lol. I guess it's a compliment to be called a paid shill. The paranoia makes me laugh most. What, exactly makes you think I'm a paid shill? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 132975
10/13/2007 3:36 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I was going to type out quite a lengthy response to that, but then I read your last post and decided you weren't worth the effort. I'm not a paid shill debunker.
Is throwing around insults a normal thing to do on this board?
Yes, it is, and you are so fucking obvious that it's boring.
Fuck off, and let a proper paid-shill debunker respond to the question.
lol. I guess it's a compliment to be called a paid shill. The paranoia makes me laugh most. What, exactly makes you think I'm a paid shill?
Well, go on then.
Type out the screed that you initially threatened me with, and we'll see. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 132975
10/13/2007 3:38 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I can understand why Shill-Barls isn't responding.
He's in Australia, and is probably fast asleep.
But Shill-HAZZARD should still be on the ball. Where is he? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 289861
10/13/2007 3:38 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Nope. Sorry, I'm not your slave either. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 132975
10/13/2007 3:41 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Nope. Sorry, I'm not your slave either. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 289861
I'm not asking you to be my slave, asshole.
YOU posted that you were going to provide a long reply to MY post.
Go ahead. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 132975
10/13/2007 4:12 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Nope. Sorry, I'm not your slave either.
I'm not asking you to be my slave, asshole.
YOU posted that you were going to provide a long reply to MY post.
Go ahead. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 132975
Anytime, sweetheart. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 308933
10/13/2007 4:14 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Yet they feel amply qualified to challenge real astronomers, enginers, and known facts on these subjects Quoting: HAZZARD 308422
Astronomers and engineers can be liars like anyone else can. When you have sworn testimony taken in open court, let us know. Until then, you have proven nothing. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 308933
10/13/2007 4:23 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Then lets see it reproduced. Send 3 men to the moon. In 2007. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311736
This is precisely the standard used in both science and exploration: reproducibility.
Over the centuries, many a scientist has claimed astonishing experimental results. If other, independently operating scientists reproduce these results, it goes down in history as a breakthrough. If they cannot, it is written off as an anecdote.
Over the centuries, many an explorer has claimed an astonishing tale of exotic new lands. If other, independently operating explorers see these lands for themselves, it goes down in history as a discovery. If they cannot, it is written off as a legend.
At this point, the moon walks are clearly an anecdotal legend. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 132975
10/13/2007 4:27 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Nope. Sorry, I'm not your slave either.
I'm not asking you to be my slave, asshole.
YOU posted that you were going to provide a long reply to MY post.
Go ahead.
Anytime, sweetheart. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 132975
Still waiting.
Where's your astonishing and lengthy rebuttal?
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| SpaceCadet
User ID: 16644
10/13/2007 4:38 PM
 | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
C'mon, debunkeristas;
"Why did the Apollo astronauts "not recall" seeing stars at ANY TIME during the missions?
Yuri Gagarin certainly saw a magnificent vista of stars when he orbited well above Earth's atmosphere. So did test pilots who flew experimental aircraft as high as they could go.
WHY were the Apollonauts DIFFERENT? Were they half-blind? What?£
Answer the question! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 132975
Thats the problem with guys with unofficial titles like Jack Barls and Jack Hazzard, they present themselves as 'Jack of all Sciences', however they are all 'Masters of None'. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 289861
10/13/2007 4:41 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Still waiting.
Where's your astonishing and lengthy rebuttal?
My astonishing and lengthy rebuttal got lost due to your rudeness. You might find other versions on other websites, though. |
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