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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 311736
10/13/2007 4:45 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Well, I think this thread was won, hands down, by the folks who know we never got anywhere near the moon.
Ya can fool some of the people, some of the time.
But not all. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 132975
10/13/2007 4:47 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Still waiting.
Where's your astonishing and lengthy rebuttal?
My astonishing and lengthy rebuttal got lost due to your rudeness. You might find other versions on other websites, though.
Jesus H. Pole-Vaulting Christ.
Just go away, please, and forget you ever found this site, you utter and complete lamer.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 289861
10/13/2007 4:49 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I will. There is little point in debating people who are mainly out to insult you instead of spreading the truth, anyways. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 311906
10/13/2007 4:51 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Holy FSM. Where did THIS group of gape-mouthed yokel hoax yappers come from? Barls, this time I disagree with you. What is on this thread comes from people who must be intellectually challenged by the task of tying their own shoes.
I don't see any reason to pretend debate is possible with them. Let them go about their self-imposed ignorance. With any luck Darwin will catch up with them before they breed. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 132975
10/13/2007 4:58 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Holy FSM. Where did THIS group of gape-mouthed yokel hoax yappers come from? Barls, this time I disagree with you. What is on this thread comes from people who must be intellectually challenged by the task of tying their own shoes.
I don't see any reason to pretend debate is possible with them. Let them go about their self-imposed ignorance. With any luck Darwin will catch up with them before they breed. Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 311906
Do you have anything constructive to contribute, or are you just a snide, passive-aggresive, bloviating asshole?
Answer the question as to why plenty of other spacefarers saw magnificent star vistas, but, somehow, the functionally blind Apollonauts "didn't recall" seeing any stars at all during their missions. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 289861
10/13/2007 4:59 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
As far as I know, only one of the Apollo astronauts said something about not recalling seeing any stars. When and where did the other 11 state that? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 132975
10/13/2007 5:00 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
The paid shills and debunkers are reduced to ad hominem attacks.
That's all they've got left!
They can't even address the last question in any meaningful way!
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 289861
10/13/2007 5:01 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
The paid shills and debunkers are reduced to ad hominem attacks. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 132975
ROFLOL
Oh, the irony. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 132975
10/13/2007 5:06 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
The paid shills and debunkers are reduced to ad hominem attacks.
ROFLOL
Oh, the irony. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 289861
Hahahaha!
Yes, how ironic.
Check this out, and I'll be expecting an "attack the messenger" rebuttal, shortly.
[link to www.erichufschmid.net] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 132975
10/13/2007 5:10 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Stars would be visible from Earth in the daytime, according to NASA, if out atmosphere didn't scatter light.
[link to www.iamthewitness.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 289861
10/13/2007 5:12 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 132975
In that case, you'll be let down. Checked it out; not worth rebutting.
I am actually hoping to get an anwer on the photography issue from SpaceCadet, seeing as he was wrong about his "excluding other light sources enables you to capture the stars" claim. Until then I'll just sit here and be amused about the number of debunked claims around here. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 289861
10/13/2007 5:13 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 132975
And I will ask again: Where and when did the astronauts talk about not being able to see stars on the lunar surface? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 311736
10/13/2007 5:13 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
As far as I know, only one of the Apollo astronauts said something about not recalling seeing any stars. When and where did the other 11 state that? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 289861
None of them "recall" seeing any stars.
Its almost as if they were told , before "liftoff", something like this; "dont expect to see any stars, you know, you cant see them up there. You can only see them down here. Only we see stars. In space, no stars. Got it? Repeat after me. No stars"
Then they told them "Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 289861
10/13/2007 5:14 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
None of them "recall" seeing any stars. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311736
Prove it. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 311736
10/13/2007 5:27 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
None of them "recall" seeing any stars.
Prove it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 289861
I encourage your research on the topic.
But I have no motive to prove anything to you.
If you wish to find out more, you will investigate it. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 311906
10/13/2007 5:40 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
The paid shills and debunkers are reduced to ad hominem attacks.
That's all they've got left!
They can't even address the last question in any meaningful way! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 132975
Because there are neither meaningful questions, nor meaningful response, nor the slightest sign that reason is being applied to either the asking or the reception.
All that has been in the game so far has been unsourced claims, ignorant science, and a blatant attitude of "don't you dare bring facts into this!"
Show a desire to engage intellectually, and someone might make the effort to respond in kind. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 216563
10/13/2007 5:41 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Now, I am thoroughly confused. Edgar Mitchell of Apollo 14 (and founder of the Institute for Noetic Sciences) believes he landed on the moon (and experienced a profound 'epiphany' upon his return).
[link to www.edmitchellapollo14.com]
"Keywords: space travel, exploration, quantum mechanics, planets, consciousness, relativity"
"The opportunity to explore the lunar surface with Alan Shepard in 1971 was certainly the apogee of my twenty-five year career as a pilot, test pilot and astronaut. Second only to that event was an encounter in 1972 when as astronaut delegate to a NASA futures planning conference I was in residence for a week with Wernher von Braun and Arthur C. Clarke, two of the most visionary thinkers of our century."
***it's full of stars*** |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 289861
10/13/2007 5:42 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I encourage your research on the topic.
But I have no motive to prove anything to you.
If you wish to find out more, you will investigate it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311736
Well, I couldn't find any records of astronauts not recalling seeing any stars.
However, I did find this. Stars were used to navigate. The astronauts talk a lot about stars; I found this in the Apollo transcripts.
I found nothing that proves your claim. I found a lot that refutes your claim. You seem to be wrong about none of the Apollo astronauts recalling seeing stars. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 311736
10/13/2007 5:46 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
The paid shills and debunkers are reduced to ad hominem attacks.
That's all they've got left!
They can't even address the last question in any meaningful way!
Because there are neither meaningful questions, nor meaningful response, nor the slightest sign that reason is being applied to either the asking or the reception.
All that has been in the game so far has been unsourced claims, ignorant science, and a blatant attitude of "don't you dare bring facts into this!"
Show a desire to engage intellectually, and someone might make the effort to respond in kind. Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 311906
I disagree.
Go back to the moon, film it, 38 years later.
Lets discuss it.
But you cant. Until you can, its nonsense, an urban legend, with silly photography. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 311736
10/13/2007 5:50 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I encourage your research on the topic.
But I have no motive to prove anything to you.
If you wish to find out more, you will investigate it.
Well, I couldn't find any records of astronauts not recalling seeing any stars.
However, I did find this. Stars were used to navigate. The astronauts talk a lot about stars; I found this in the Apollo transcripts.
I found nothing that proves your claim. I found a lot that refutes your claim. You seem to be wrong about none of the Apollo astronauts recalling seeing stars. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 289861
Then please show the pictures of the stars that the astronuts used to guide them to the moon.
They could see the moon. The moon would be what would guide them, not stars.
It would be a "direct lay" in military terms. Thats when you can see your target. Stars would be unneccessary.
You just point your vessel towards the target. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 289861
10/13/2007 5:56 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Then please show the pictures of the stars that the astronuts used to guide them to the moon.
They could see the moon. The moon would be what would guide them, not stars.
It would be a "direct lay" in military terms. Thats when you can see your target. Stars would be unneccessary.
You just point your vessel towards the target. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311736
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
Here is a whole section where they are using stars in order to face their LM the right way, apparantly. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 311906
10/13/2007 5:56 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Then please show the pictures of the stars that the astronuts used to guide them to the moon.
They could see the moon. The moon would be what would guide them, not stars.
It would be a "direct lay" in military terms. Thats when you can see your target. Stars would be unneccessary.
You just point your vessel towards the target. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311736
I am glad you are not my navigator. You would probably point a sailboat in the direction you wanted to go, to, whether it was downwind or upwind.
For a general read, try looking up "Hohmann Transfer Orbit." It isn't an exact description of how, say, Apollo got from point A to point B, but it will get you on the right track. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 311736
10/13/2007 5:56 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
"The astronauts talk a lot about stars; I found this in the Apollo transcripts."
Do tell, as supposedly, one cannot see stars in space. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 311736
10/13/2007 5:58 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
"I am glad you are not my navigator. You would probably point a sailboat in the direction you wanted to go, "
Yeah, I might do that. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 289861
10/13/2007 6:00 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
"The astronauts talk a lot about stars; I found this in the Apollo transcripts."
Do tell, as supposedly, one cannot see stars in space. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311736
I'm not sure where you got the idea that one cannot see stars in space. But here's a link.
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov] |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 311906
10/13/2007 6:03 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Add "reaching," "close-hauled," "beating" and "luffing" into your search terms. And also learn why you don't approach a pier from windward! (Not unless you want to buy a new boat). |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 311736
10/13/2007 6:03 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
"The astronauts talk a lot about stars; I found this in the Apollo transcripts."
Do tell, as supposedly, one cannot see stars in space.
I'm not sure where you got the idea that one cannot see stars in space. But here's a link.
[ link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
Barls , the Apollo nuts already said stars cannot be seen in space.
Then you link to NASA.
There are no stars in space!
Astronuts cannot see them!
They can only see the sun/studio lighting, or earth.
NO STARS! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 289861
10/13/2007 6:05 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Barls , the Apollo nuts already said stars cannot be seen in space.
Then you link to NASA.
There are no stars in space!
Astronuts cannot see them!
They can only see the sun/studio lighting, or earth.
NO STARS! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311736
I'm not Barls. I don't know who these "Apollo nuts" you talk about are, and what their line of reasoning is. I don't even know if they said that; all I have is your word on them saying that. Source please. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 311736
10/13/2007 6:06 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Add "reaching," "close-hauled," "beating" and "luffing" into your search terms. And also learn why you don't approach a pier from windward! (Not unless you want to buy a new boat). Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 311906
So I should sail away from my desired target?
Im no sailor, but I will take that into consideration if I am sailing.
Sail away from my desired target.
Ok. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 311906
10/13/2007 6:07 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Where ARE you getting this from?
NASA says you can see stars.
Various of the astronauts described seeing stars.
Any amateur astronomer can tell you that under some of the conditions described for Apollo it would be possible to see stars.
Where is this claim otherwise coming from? From the same place monkeys fly out of? |
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