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| FreshLaundry
User ID: 304962
10/3/2007 2:31 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
What evidence do you have that these systems didn't work? Given that the same systems, or derivatives of them, are used on the Shuttle and Space Station, are you claiming that they are hoaxes too? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 177477
No, I have no reason to doubt the space station astronauts or the shuttle passengers and that was an unnecessary tactic. In fact, I quite enjoy watching them live in HD.
I have seen the Apollo suits (actually, they might have been reproductions) and they are fabric and don't have any sort of system running through the length of the suits themselves. Whatever they had in the backpacks we aren't allowed to know for whatever reason. Besides, battery technology was horrid back then - being able to regulate for such high and low extremes and block for radiation. I mean, we can agree that the cameras and film weren't radiation shielded except for some silver paint, right?
You can keep knocking down arguments, man, but step back and look at the thing as a whole. Why do you think you need to prop it up? Because it is a weak house.
This post pending review.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 304075
10/3/2007 2:36 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
It's horrifying to think entire populations are capable of being taken in by such huge deception. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 243809
10/3/2007 2:39 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I'm still waiting for you to reply to any of my previous answers. I'll give you one freebie for today, but then I'm not going to dance your dance unless you make some effort to make it a two way discussion. Quoting: Barls Knarkley 177477
Dance, shill boy, dance!
Where are those 26,000 boxes of original Apollo tapes? |
| Barls Knarkley
User ID: 177477
10/3/2007 2:40 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I was ridiculing the subject and refused to even look at the evidence; just like you. Quoting: FreshLaundry
Why do you think that I have never looked at the hoax claims? Perhaps this is another one of the things you choose to believe without any evidence. I have spent a few years now debunking this stuff - I have seen the videos, read the books, and endured the endless ad hominems. I know more about the hoax claims than you probably do.
Whether the different departments went to lunch together or not is really a strawman argument don't you think? Quoting: FreshLaundry
Absolutely not. I explained that they needed constant liaison in order to do their jobs, in complete opposition to the 'compartmentalisation' claims. You, on the other hand, categorised my explanation by saying that they all had lunch together, implying that their interaction was on a social rather than professional level. That is a straw man.
Anyway, I could give a shit if you live in ignorance. Quoting: FreshLaundry
Likewise.
I wasn't trying to convince anyone, I was just suggesting a testable experiment. Quoting: FreshLaundry
With the results of which you would presumably attempt to convince people, neh? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 243809
10/3/2007 2:44 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Barls, why won't you answer why you're so invested in proving this very obvious but massive con job?
How come you're the only one who seems to care so much?
Doesn't that tell you something? |
| FreshLaundry
User ID: 304962
10/3/2007 2:47 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Where are those 26,000 boxes of original Apollo tapes? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 243809
The pictures of that historic footstep and everything else about that and subsequent Apollo moon landings, including flight data and astronaut health readings, were recorded on magnetic tape at three NASA ground tracking stations around the world. The tapes were then shipped to a NASA operations center near Washington, the Goddard Space Flight Center.
In late 1969, the space agency began transferring them and tens of thousands of tapes from other space missions to a nearby U.S. government archives warehouse. NASA says it asked for them back in the 1970s, but now does not know where they are.
"I probably am overly sensitive to the word 'lost.' I do not feel they are lost," said Richard Nafzger, a Goddard Space Flight Center engineer who was in charge of television processing from all of NASA's ground receiving sites.
The space agency has authorized him to set aside his other duties for the foreseeable future and devote his time to the hunt for the tapes. Nafzger says they are stored somewhere.
"We had very good procedures on documenting everything, where it went," he added. "So I think we're tracking paperwork to see if it's in a storage facility outside of Goddard, possibly at Goddard, or were there some other procedures taken to {dispose of} these tapes for some reason. But they would all be documented."
One possible disposition might have been erasure of the tapes for re-use. The Internet website Space.com quotes a retired Apollo tracking station engineer as saying that telemetry recording tapes were expensive, $100 per reel, so they might have been wiped clean as a money saving measure.
This would obviously be a big disappointment to Nafzger and the rest of NASA. The tapes contained the highest resolution images of the moon landing in existence. Because NASA's space video system was incompatible with broadcast standards, it retransmitted the live images to the world by pointing a standard television camera at a TV screen, offering lower quality video still available today.
"It was pretty good, but nowhere near as good as we can do today with the digital technology we could use on the original tapes to convert it to broadcast TV," he noted.
If the tapes are located and still in good condition, we might finally see the moon's surface almost as Neil Armstrong saw it.
ARMSTRONG: "It has a stark beauty all its own. It's like much of the high desert of the United States. It's different, but it's very pretty out here."
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| Barls Knarkley
User ID: 177477
10/3/2007 2:53 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
No, I have no reason to doubt the space station astronauts or the shuttle passengers and that was an unnecessary tactic. In fact, I quite enjoy watching them live in HD. Quoting: FreshLaundry
Why is it an unnecessary tactic to point out that the technology you disbeleive in without explaining why is still in use today?
I have seen the Apollo suits (actually, they might have been reproductions) and they are fabric and don't have any sort of system running through the length of the suits themselves. Quoting: FreshLaundry
I'm not quite sure what 'system' you are referring to, here. Could you elaborate?
Also, if you're not sure if the suit was real or not, how can you use it as evidence?
Whatever they had in the backpacks we aren't allowed to know for whatever reason. Quoting: FreshLaundry
Poppycock.
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
Besides, battery technology was horrid back then - being able to regulate for such high and low extremes and block for radiation.
You are not showing much knowledge of the subject, here. Are you talking about the space suit batteries? If so, then can you be specific about what devices were drawing on that battery? You wouldn't just be making stuff up without being able to back it up, would you?
For the record, there were no low temperatures that the suits needed to deal with, as they were in direcft sunlight the whole time. The majority of the radiant heat was rejected via the high albedo of the external garment, so the majority of the ehat that the liquid fuelled garment had to deal with was the astronauts own metabolic heat. Not huge. Apart from that, there was the radio and the air system. Not really an excessive drain. If you'd like to get down and dirty with actual numbers for each subsystem, they are available on line. Why not look them up, and then tell me what is wrong with them,? Becuase at the moment, you are just displaying wilful ignorance and are making handwaving claims without making any effort to substantiate them.
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
I mean, we can agree that the cameras and film weren't radiation shielded except for some silver paint, right?
No. What sort of radiation are you talking about, for a start?
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
You can keep knocking down arguments, man, but step back and look at the thing as a whole.
Been doing that for years. God, it's beautiful.
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
Why do you think you need to prop it up? Because it is a weak house.
No, because the world is full of the wilfully ignorant, and the unfortunates who occasionally get suckered by them. I am retraining to be a science communicator, so this sort of thing is in my blood. I do this because if ignorance is not confronted it will grow. And because I have a lifelong interest in human spaceflight. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 243809
10/3/2007 2:54 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Where are those 26,000 boxes of original Apollo tapes?
"I probably am overly sensitive to the word 'lost.' I do not feel they are lost," said Richard Nafzger, a Goddard Space Flight Center engineer who was in charge of television processing from all of NASA's ground receiving sites. Quoting: FreshLaundry
"Not lost", yeah, right! It's been well over a year now. Probably destroyed because there's too much controversy and they're a little too high quality and they show too much.
If NASA can't produce the original tapes of mankind's greatest achievement (purportedly), there's absolutely no reason to believe that any of the Apollo missions were real. |
| Barls Knarkley
User ID: 177477
10/3/2007 2:55 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
How come you're the only one who seems to care so much? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 243809
There are plenty of other people who care. Several on this board. Many more have enough sense not to come here only to drown in ad hominems and immature illogicalities. |
| FreshLaundry
User ID: 304962
10/3/2007 2:55 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Come on man. They needed certain liaisons but the men at the top of the nutpile were the only ones who oversaw it all.
A hoodwink on this scale is not as improbable as you think. What if you sent thousands of troops in a 'war against terror' each of whom are specialists in one field or another and coordinate with other people all for the higher goal of said war and every damn one of them could testify that they were there and what they were doing was real and there was no funny business whatsoever --
-- and yet not one of them knows they were actually fighting for oil and it wasn't a war on terror at all.
Possible? Fuck yes it is.
This post pending review.
[link to kindagamey.com] |
| Barls Knarkley
User ID: 177477
10/3/2007 2:57 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Dammit! I've just notices that I accidentally repeatedly pasted the NASA link instead of the quote tags. Wow, that looks professional. D'oh. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 243809
10/3/2007 2:59 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Where are those 26,000 boxes of original Apollo tapes?
If the tapes are located and still in good condition, we might finally see the moon's surface almost as Neil Armstrong saw it.
ARMSTRONG: "It has a stark beauty all its own. It's like much of the high desert of the United States. It's different, but it's very pretty out here." Quoting: FreshLaundry
Don't worry Neil, no one will see that moon that looks "like much of the high desert of the United States." |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 304075
10/3/2007 3:02 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Barls Knarkley have you watched this entire slightly tongue-in-cheek French documentary about the Apollo program that lends weight to the theory that aspects of the public space program were faked? If this isn't real how do explain the cooperation of so many high-level government officials in the production of this film? Clearly they're sending a real message here along with some "noise" for plausible deniability. If you believe the Apollo programs was entirely real why have these top former White House and cabinet officials participated in this show? [link to youtube.com] |
| Barls Knarkley
User ID: 177477
10/3/2007 3:03 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Come on man. They needed certain liaisons but the men at the top of the nutpile were the only ones who oversaw it all. Quoting: FreshLaundry
Why, because you say so? Again, go and talk to someone who actually works on a project this size, like a big oil refinery or similar. Wait for them to laugh in your face.
Also, given that the rockets undeniably launched into orbit, and that the Apollo capsules undeniably worked in low Earth orbit, and that all the other systems passed rigorous testing that showwed that they worked - at what point did all of this break down? What, for you, was the critical technology that failed, and thus made necessary the biggest deception in history?
A hoodwink on this scale is not as improbable as you think. What if you sent thousands of troops in a 'war against terror' each of whom are specialists in one field or another and coordinate with other people all for the higher goal of said war and every damn one of them could testify that they were there and what they were doing was real and there was no funny business whatsoever --
-- and yet not one of them knows they were actually fighting for oil and it wasn't a war on terror at all.
Possible? Fuck yes it is. Quoting: FreshLaundry
Irrelevant to the discussion at hand? Fuck, yes.
You can't use evidence of other deceptions, which I hope you will note I am not denying, as prima facie evidence of another putative deception. Otherwise, it's open slather - David Icke is right about the reptilian shapeshifters because Bill Clinton lied about Monica Lewinsky. You live in a Truman Show spectacular because Dubya dodged the draft. Puh-leeze. |
| FreshLaundry
User ID: 304962
10/3/2007 3:03 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Wow, that looks professional. D'oh. Quoting: Barls Knarkley 177477
Professional? So this is your dayjob then shill! (I kid, I kid... no judgements from me.)
Actually, I appreciated that link. That was something that I've never seen before. I'm sure many men and women worked very hard on building real workable systems. I just wish their labor had not been in vain. Some very greedy and power hungry people took advantage of all of us and as one who respects space travel so much you should be the most outraged of all.
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[link to kindagamey.com] |
| FreshLaundry
User ID: 304962
10/3/2007 3:06 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Ugh. I think that documentary did more harm than good.
I don't think those politicians knew what they were participating in. They were given a script which was planned from the beginning to be cut, twisted, and taken out of context.
I know for a fact that Ms. Kubrick wasn't very happy with the way they re-edited her. The script was strategically written to make for some juicy misstatements out of order.
This post pending review.
[link to kindagamey.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 304075
10/3/2007 3:08 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Ugh. I think that documentary did more harm than good.
I don't think those politicians knew what they were participating in. They were given a script which was planned from the beginning to be cut, twisted, and taken out of context. Quoting: FreshLaundry
They wouldn't have participated if they didn't understand the exact purpose of the documentary, IMO. Look, some of them were the VERY TOP intel people on earth. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 243809
10/3/2007 3:10 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Wow, that looks professional. D'oh.
Professional? So this is your dayjob then shill! (I kid, I kid... no judgements from me.) Quoting: FreshLaundry
Nothing to kid about. It's his job, believe me. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 304075
10/3/2007 3:12 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Ugh. I think that documentary did more harm than good.
I don't think those politicians knew what they were participating in. They were given a script which was planned from the beginning to be cut, twisted, and taken out of context.
I know for a fact that Ms. Kubrick wasn't very happy with the way they re-edited her. The script was strategically written to make for some juicy misstatements out of order. Quoting: FreshLaundry
But the reason for all that would have been to create plausible deniablity for the participants, IMO. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 177477
10/3/2007 3:25 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Barls Knarkley have you watched this entire slightly tongue-in-cheek French documentary about the Apollo program that lends weight to the theory that aspects of the public space program were faked? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 304075
Yes. It was a mockumentary, a joke. Go and read IMDB.
If this isn't real how do explain the cooperation of so many high-level government officials in the production of this film? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 304075
They wanted a laugh. Just because I detest many of them as human beings, like Kissinger and Rumsfeld, doesn't mean that they don't possess a sense of humour. Before you say that people this powerful wouldn't be that frivolous, have you ever seen that video Clinton made just before he left the Whitehouse of him riding a bike in the corridors and seeing Hillary off to work? Have you ever seen the APEC leaders dressed up in their silly national outfits? How about Tony Blair doing a cameo on The Simpsons?
Clearly they're sending a real message here along with some "noise" for plausible deniability. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 304075
Whatever. As always, the true believers on this site will use whatever rationalisation like that that they feel is necessary to prop up their wilful delusions. The borderline undecided, who mistrust authority but need proof before coming to conclusions, are usually smart enoug to see this sort of thing for the self delusion it really is. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 304075
10/3/2007 3:28 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Barls Knarkley have you watched this entire slightly tongue-in-cheek French documentary about the Apollo program that lends weight to the theory that aspects of the public space program were faked?
Yes. It was a mockumentary, a joke. Go and read IMDB.
If this isn't real how do explain the cooperation of so many high-level government officials in the production of this film?
They wanted a laugh. Just because I detest many of them as human beings, like Kissinger and Rumsfeld, doesn't mean that they don't possess a sense of humour. Before you say that people this powerful wouldn't be that frivolous, have you ever seen that video Clinton made just before he left the Whitehouse of him riding a bike in the corridors and seeing Hillary off to work? Have you ever seen the APEC leaders dressed up in their silly national outfits? How about Tony Blair doing a cameo on The Simpsons?
Clearly they're sending a real message here along with some "noise" for plausible deniability.
Whatever. As always, the true believers on this site will use whatever rationalisation like that that they feel is necessary to prop up their wilful delusions. The borderline undecided, who mistrust authority but need proof before coming to conclusions, are usually smart enoug to see this sort of thing for the self delusion it really is. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 177477
You think Kissinger, Hague, et all did it as a joke or to make $70? I don't think that's plausible at all regardless of what it says at imdb.com |
| Barls Knarkley
User ID: 177477
10/3/2007 3:32 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Actually, I appreciated that link. That was something that I've never seen before. Quoting: FreshLaundry
Do you accept that maybe there are a great many other things about the program that you don't know? It took me ten seconds of googling to find those drawings. It's clear you have never expended any effort in seeking out this information - you just declare that it is all fake.
I'm sure many men and women worked very hard on building real workable systems. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 304075
So you accept that some of the Apollo systems were real. Can you specify which ones were obviously faked, and why?
I just wish their labor had not been in vain. Some very greedy and power hungry people took advantage of all of us and as one who respects space travel so much you should be the most outraged of all. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 304075
I would be, if you could actaully come up with some evidence that actually backed up your handwaving. You have claimed that data was suppressed, even though you didn't cary out even the most basic of searches that would show it was freely available. You have used your viewing of a display suit that you can't attest was genuine or even complete as evidence that the suits were deficient. I see a pattern developing here. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 304075
10/3/2007 3:33 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
The Apollo program was a cover for the real space program which is something entirely different and under the umbrella of the military |
| FreshLaundry
User ID: 304962
10/3/2007 3:33 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I guess I don't like being 'tricked'. That's what I felt that documentary was trying to do to me and that's what I think it will do to many gullible people who see it. If they don't review any other evidence they will walk away believing that fantasized version.
I agree though that it has a weird vibe with so many high profiles in on the gag. I'd like to know where the funding came from.
--
Anyway, I'm going to bed. There are so many tricks in the Barls arguments above that I would lose the actual point of the conversation trying to untie them all. I am no scientist and have never claimed any scientific knowledge whatsoever so why I'm being judged on that I have no idea. I do, however, have an opinion like every other asshole out there and I have a very good intuition about things; one which tells me that throughout its history NASA has been shady, deceitful, in bed with the military industrial complex and contrary to their stated purpose. I am perfectly willing to be educated and am open to learning things and admitting my mistakes, but I don't want to play logic games with a sniper to find a nugget of truth. What galls me is that I know that you 'misunderstand' things on purpose just to parry a foil. Whatever. You're so addicted to arguing you aren't actually communicating anymore -- if that is going to be your job you better brush up on the human to human skills.
This post pending review.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 243809
10/3/2007 3:36 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
So you accept that some of the Apollo systems were real. Can you specify which ones were obviously faked, and why? Quoting: Barls Knarkley 177477
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
Why? Just LOOK at this laughable POS.
How fucking gullible do you think we are, anyway? |
| FreshLaundry
User ID: 304962
10/3/2007 3:39 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
You have claimed that data was suppressed, even though you didn't carry out even the most basic of searches that would show it was freely available. You have used your viewing of a display suit that you can't attest was genuine or even complete as evidence that the suits were deficient. Quoting: Barls Knarkley 177477
Actually, I did do a search. I didn't find anything. You've been doing this for a year so I'm not surprised that you had one handy.
I believe most of the systems were built to be functional - this would obviously be a historic event that would be scrutinized closely. But I do not believe we ever left the van allen radiation belts. And yes, that is just my belief. Luckily for me, you can't debunk that.
This post pending review.
[link to kindagamey.com] |
| FreshLaundry
User ID: 304962
10/3/2007 3:43 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Why? Just LOOK at this laughable POS. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 243809
Lol, thems some high strength pieces of tape. Gold tissue paper is well known in third grade home ec. classes to deflect solar radiation.
(There is a man right now trying to get a bill through congress to grant immunity for ex-NASA and military insiders who want to come clean to the American public. Perhaps we will hear the real story then; if they don't run out the clock first.)
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 304075
10/3/2007 3:52 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
At this point I'm just waiting to see if they'll go so far as to plant evidence of the Apollo missions on the moon after the fact. Will they use one of the anti grav flying-black-triangles to deposit a lunar module on the lunar surface? lol |
| Barls Knarkley
User ID: 177477
10/3/2007 3:54 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
There are so many tricks in the Barls arguments above that I would lose the actual point of the conversation trying to untie them all. Quoting: FreshLaundry
Oh, please. Point out one 'trick' in what I have written in response to you. That just sounds like you want to handwave away everything that I have said without having to, you know, address my arguments.
I am no scientist and have never claimed any scientific knowledge whatsoever so why I'm being judged on that I have no idea. Quoting: FreshLaundry
Because you are making statements about science and engineering. If I say "It's my unifnformed belief that vaccinations change people's brains so they vote conservative", then it is quite fitting for medical professionals and statisticians, to name just two professions, that may feel that they have the knowledge to point out that I am talking crap.
I do, however, have an opinion like every other asshole out there Quoting: FreshLaundry
And you are entitled to it. But if you choose to publically attest to your opinion, then you have to expect that people will question your beliefs.
and I have a very good intuition about things; one which tells me that throughout its history NASA has been shady, deceitful, in bed with the military industrial complex and contrary to their stated purpose. Quoting: FreshLaundry
So we once again return to the "I believe it without reason, so that makes my opinion just as valid, nay, correct as people that have studied the field their entire lives" defence.
Intuition proves nothing. Intuition is frequesntly wrong, particularly when it is based on incomplete or erroneous information. You can think you are psychic for all I or anyone else cares, it doesn't prove anything. Not even the high gods of hoaxism like Bart Sibrel write books about how they have a gut feeling that the missions were faked - they accept that they have to present arguments, that proof is needed in order to sway the opinions of others. Again, given your call for an 'experiment' on the Moon globe in Arizona, you actually do believe the same thing, you just retreat to your fortress of solipsism when you are challenged on those messy, inconvenient facts.
I don't want to play logic games with a sniper to find a nugget of truth. Quoting: FreshLaundry
I have no idea what you are talking about, just that you are miffed with my questions.
What galls me is that I know that you 'misunderstand' things on purpose just to parry a foil. Quoting: FreshLaundry
Can you provide a specific example, please?
Whatever. You're so addicted to arguing you aren't actually communicating anymore -- if that is going to be your job you better brush up on the human to human skills. Quoting: FreshLaundry
I seem to have no difficulty communicating with non-solipsists. Maybe the problem is at your end. |
| SpaceCadet
User ID: 16644
10/3/2007 3:59 AM
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Guys theres no real point arguing with Barls Knarkley, after all as he keeps on saying about himself, 'He' understands all the 'science' better than most others on here.
Barls and his other Moon Landing proponents can't let it sink into their brains that 'Science' has nothing to do with the faking of the Moon Landings.
Thats why I've always ignored reading anything posted by Barls and his kind for quite a while now.
The twits always want to turn any of these types of postings into arguments about proving everything by 'Science', they are all alot of worst Bozzo the Clowns than myself! |
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