Yet, somehow, none of these real-world design constraints -- power, telemetry, navigation, sample return, temperature control -- need apply to the fanciful and entirely hypothetical robotics they wish to employ to return lunar samples.)
Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 313713
I claim no robotics.
I just claim the Apollo mission is pure BS.
Go back 38 years later, or its all BS.
You cannot.
So its BS.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 313560 10/17/2007 6:06 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
Nope. What was lost by the double trip to the moon and back was gained by the capsule being close to Earth.
Easy to handwave, hard to back up.
Do you know how bright the Apollo capsule was in LEO? It did two orbits of the Earth before being boosted on to the Moon, and people were looking out for it. It was far brighter than any satellite. If it had stayed in LEO, people would have noticed. Also, there are photos of it, taken by amateurs, showing the capsule en route after the Trans Lunar Injection burn that sent them on their way.
Did the photos show the astronauts in it as well??? :-)
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 313731
Heretic!
If you post again, we will mention the holocaust!!
nomuse (NLI) User ID: 313713 10/17/2007 6:06 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
The thousands of scientists around the world who have studied the Apollo samples agree... They could not have come from Earth.
How can the HBs say, -THEY ARE ALL WRONG!!??
Unlike Earth rocks, the lunar samples are totally devoid of water, even within their crystal structures. Their chemical compositions, in particular the ratio of iron and manganese, set them apart from any of Earths native rocks. They are extraordinarily ancient, some almost as old as the solar system.
Perhaps, most importantly, their surfaces show the effects of bombardment by high-speed micrometeorites and subatomic particles from the solar wind—neither of which can affect terrestrial rocks because our atmosphere screens them out.
These so-called "zap pits" would have also been wiped out had the rocks fallen to Earth as lunar meteorites; the tremendous heat generated by their high-velocity passage through our atmosphere would have erased any such surface features.
The Apollo samples must have been brought back from the Moon—and indeed they were hand-delivered.
But nooo, the HB is right and the thousands of scientists around the world are wrong.
How this can make sense to anyone is beyond me!
Some good may yet come of this. Hopefully, people who might be swayed by the skeptics will do a little research and learn the real story behind the Apollo missions. When they do, they will find out that the "Moon hoax" has no more substance than the vacuum of space.
Quoting: HAZZARD 308422
You have not explained to us the repetitive backgrounds.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 313560 10/17/2007 6:20 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
Let us, just for a minute, go into hypothetical mode. Let's say tomorrow there's a big news announcement about a new crew going to the moon unexpectedly, to celebrate the fact Lee Harvey Oswald was born 68 years ago (hey, it's hypothetical mode!).
Now, in a few weeks from (or whatever time it takes for them to finally get them there), the astronauts land on the moon.
Would that change your opinion of Apollo?
Anonymous Coward User ID: 289861 10/17/2007 6:23 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
Let us, just for a minute, go into hypothetical mode. Let's say tomorrow there's a big news announcement about a new crew going to the moon unexpectedly, to celebrate the fact Lee Harvey Oswald was born 68 years ago (hey, it's hypothetical mode!).
Now, in a few weeks from (or whatever time it takes for them to finally get them there), the astronauts land on the moon.
Would that change your opinion of Apollo?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 289861
What?
Anonymous Coward User ID: 289861 10/17/2007 6:29 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
Those who make the HB claim are precisely those who know the least about the subject. IDW is a prime example.
True.
IDW is what I call a hardcore HB. He is not only wrong and closed minded, he is also rude and uneducated. He would rather die then admit that he has been wrong all these years.
Quoting: HAZZARD 308422
And yet you have never came close to proving I am wrong about any of my disqualifications.
I noticed you dont ever mention the real problems with apollo
Anonymous Coward User ID: 289861 10/17/2007 6:42 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
Of COURSE he'd still think it was a hoax. Every single time the Hoax Believer crowd has come up with their perfect litmus test, and every single time that photograph or journal entry or kitchen-table science experiment is provided that answers that test....whoosh, there go the goalposts, racing down the field.
Shoot far, not a single person has responded when I showed them pictures of the damned laser. That's the routine. Say "I might believe if someone just had a picture of..." and then run away when said picture is provided.
IDW User ID: 313758 10/17/2007 6:48 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
Hazzard, I would like to add as well that your last post contained several lies. I am uneducated? Close minded? Sounds like your describing you won ilk. You seem to forget it was your group that convinced me totally that Apollo was a fraud through your outright lies. A liar dosent just lie once and stop there.
The only way to rationalize your statement is to admit your a liar.
nomuse (NLI) User ID: 313713 10/17/2007 6:49 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
And yet you have never came close to proving I am wrong about any of my disqualifications.
I noticed you dont ever mention the real problems with apollo
Quoting: IDW 313758
Yes. The experienced electrical wizard who doesn't believe in voltage drops in a series circuit (oh, but now you do. Convenient, that.)
The person with a wide understanding of chemistry who thinks water is an organic compound.
The guy who built his own 75' antenna and listened to the astronauts on his own ham radio -- but doesn't know what S-band is.
You've demonstrated your qualifications effectively and succinctly in these pages.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 289861 10/17/2007 6:50 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
Well, I was just wondering whether your implied argument "they can't do it now, so it was faked then" would have meant that Apollo wasn't faked if they actually did do it now. I thought that was a fair question.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 313765 10/17/2007 6:53 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
No...try to recreate some of the musical sounds produced in the 70`s etc ...you`ll find it`s often not possible because the technology used then is no longer available...
Anonymous Coward User ID: 88145 10/17/2007 6:57 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
And yet you have never came close to proving I am wrong about any of my disqualifications.
I noticed you dont ever mention the real problems with apollo
Yes. The experienced electrical wizard who doesn't believe in voltage drops in a series circuit (oh, but now you do. Convenient, that.)
The person with a wide understanding of chemistry who thinks water is an organic compound.
The guy who built his own 75' antenna and listened to the astronauts on his own ham radio -- but doesn't know what S-band is.
You've demonstrated your qualifications effectively and succinctly in these pages.
Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 313713
How hilarious! IDW, proves his lack of knowledge with every post. I'd be very surprised if he got any farther than about the third grade with all the "intelligence" he's demonstrated.
No...try to recreate some of the musical sounds produced in the 70`s etc ...you`ll find it`s often not possible because the technology used then is no longer available...
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 313765
Ah, like making the pyramids and other sites using megalithic stones with millimeter precision?
Total sideline, but we live in such a retro society it is always surprising just what is available now.
Back fifteen years ago tube gear was expensive and fragile. No-one made tubes. Almost no-one even knew how! Every musical instrument or audiophile amplifier or vintage gear had to use dusty 20-year old tubes rescued from some old warehouse.
First companies back in the game were in Eastern Europe, only a few years out of the tube age themselves. Others followed, rediscovering the technology. Now tubes are back. Heck, I think someone out there might even be blowing nixie tubes now (the only ones I know about are, again, thirty-year-old surplus).
There is a company out there that makes Edison bulbs; hand-blown, lamp-black and silk filament.
There are of course people now who can make you a nearly-authentic lute, right down to gut strings (not cat gut these days, though. Cow or sheep). People who can pound period horseshoes from bloom iron. People trundling heavy plates of glass and caustic chemicals out to make glass-plate photographs.
No-one's _quite_ replicated a Stradivarius yet. Not for lack of trying. They've gotten very, very close. Others have finally figured out just how Michelangelo made his pigments.
This is a great age for re-creationists. Back ten, twenty years ago, good luck at putting together an accurate Civil War re-enactment, or repairing a Model T, or forming a Renaissance consort. Now, today, it is almost an embarrassment of riches.
(Okay...a good friend is an SCA member, I play a couple of Early Music instruments, and another friend collects historical firearms. So I'm kind of up on this whole re-creationist thing).
IDW User ID: 313758 10/17/2007 7:46 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
And yet you have never came close to proving I am wrong about any of my disqualifications.
I noticed you dont ever mention the real problems with apollo
Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 313713
Yes. The experienced electrical wizard who doesn't believe in voltage drops in a series circuit (oh, but now you do. Convenient, that.)
There is NO voltage drop in a series circuit. Voltage is constant in a series circuit and if measured across the power supply negative and positive or between the negative and any place in the circuit, voltage remains constant. By adding a parallel circuit to the - and + of any resistor in the circuit, a reduced voltage can be produced. Again, voltage is constant in a series circuit.
The person with a wide understanding of chemistry who thinks water is an organic compound.
Quoting: NoUse
Water, though not technically an organic compound, is present in all biologicals, plant and animal. It is not considered an organic compound because it is not produced by organic processes.
The guy who built his own 75' antenna and listened to the astronauts on his own ham radio -- but doesn't know what S-band is.
Quoting: NoUSe
S band refers to a frequency range around 2 ghz. In the beginning of my inquiry,I believed one of the shills was refering to SSB, and not a frequency range. An easy mistake to make, especially when I really do always assume you have it wrong. I have to .
As for what we heard, and what we heard it on:
a)it wasnt me who did it, I was just there and helped.
b)Communications from the spacecraft on its way to the moon were recieved only intermittently through manual allignment of a conventional beam antenna , but ground based communications never faded, and in the time that communications were being intercepted response time was generally quicker than expected. In some cases while the spacecraft was in lunar orbit , reponses were instantaneous.
Is that what youre babbling about? AT least get it right.
There is NO voltage drop in a series circuit. Voltage is constant in a series circuit and if measured across the power supply negative and positive or between the negative and any place in the circuit, voltage remains constant. By adding a parallel circuit to the - and + of any resistor in the circuit, a reduced voltage can be produced. Again, voltage is constant in a series circuit.
Quoting: IDW 313758
Are you wriggling, or missing? There is no voltage drop in ANY circuit, in as much as the individual voltage drops (positive and negative) add up to zero. There are voltage drops across any NODE.
Take again the simple circuit of 9V battery and two resistors of arbitrary but equal resistance. Measure each node of the circuit individually. Resistor 1, +4.5V. Resistor 2, +4.5V. Battery, -9V. 4.5 + 4.5 - 9 = 0. The circuit balances.
The polarity and order of the resistors is unimportant in this example. And across each resistor appears a smaller voltage than across the sum of both resistors.
Water, though not technically an organic compound, is present in all biologicals, plant and animal. It is not considered an organic compound because it is not produced by organic processes.
Quoting: IDW 313758
You got so close but then you veered away. Wrong again. To be an organic compound, one thing and one thing only MUST be present. And I'm not going to give the game away by telling you yet! (I'm too entertained by your answers).
S band refers to a frequency range around 2 ghz. In the beginning of my inquiry,I believed one of the shills was refering to SSB, and not a frequency range. An easy mistake to make, especially when I really do always assume you have it wrong. I have to .
Quoting: IDW 313758
Good work admitting the mistake. An apology to all those people who defined S-band to you, and were insulted in return, would be an even better gesture on your part.
Perhaps if you didn't start out assuming you were the only sapient mammal in the room, you might not leap to so many wrong conclusions. Try, just for a laugh, assuming the other guy sometimes knows what he is talking about.
nomuse (NLI) User ID: 313713 10/17/2007 8:02 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
Someone posted this Hoagie interview called "NASA's Deceptions" on my youtube subscriptions and I thought you guys might enjoy it.
And by 'you guys' I mean both sides of the moon hoax argument -- I mean, who doesn't find Hoagie enjoyable on some level? :)
Quoting: FreshLaundry
Oh, Hoagland is great fun. I enjoy his pastoral vision of Mars, where fluffy white bunnies frolic under the blue skies, feasting on fields of fresh blueberries, while in the distance the vast remains of Martian schoolhouses and airbases sink slowly into the verdant green plains.
Not only that, he's a better scientist than IDW!
IDW User ID: 313758 10/17/2007 8:15 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
All the compounds in my organic chemistry 101 book have carbon as a base. This is usually the accepted difinitive charcteristic, but not all carbon molecules originate from biologicals. By the strictest definition, an organic compound is formed by organic process. I have always maintained that since water is incorporated into all living things, water is an organic compound. Water is what makes life possible, and the fact that it is excluded by organic chemistry by a specific and flawed definition, does not mean it is not neccessary for organic processes to take place
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