All the compounds in my organic chemistry 101 book have carbon as a base. This is usually the accepted difinitive charcteristic, but not all carbon molecules originate from biologicals. By the strictest definition, an organic compound is formed by organic process. I have always maintained that since water is incorporated into all living things, water is an organic compound. Water is what makes life possible, and the fact that it is excluded by organic chemistry by a specific and flawed definition, does not mean it is not neccessary for organic processes to take place
Quoting: IDW 313758
7 points out of 10.
Organic compounds have carbon as part of their essential molecular structure. Not all compounds with carbon are considered "organic compounds" (for historical reasons.) Biologic origin is not required. "Organic Chemistry," as a term, is not intended to draw lines around materials of biological origin; it is an organizational classification regarding molecular structure.
And carbon itself is not of organic origin. It is one of the building blocks of life, but it itself originates in stellar processes.
idw User ID: 313758 10/17/2007 8:33 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
Unlike you, I do not consider having to admit a mistake an accomplishment.
Quoting: idw 313758
Which is why you learn so slowly.
If an apology was due, it would be forthcoming. As it is, the only thing that is due is firm bitchslapping.
Quoting: idw 313758
So you were wrong, they were right, you called them stupid, but you are still in the right? How does that work, anyhow?
Have you noticed yet that the more you use your favorite insults, the more likely it is you are wrong? When your insults subside to a dull roar is when you are most likely to be right. One might forgive the casual reader, indeed, if they simply ignored you every time you started into swearing.
Like I said, In your case that would result in continuos laughter.
Quoting: idw 313758
I don't believe you've managed to find me wrong more than a time or two.
By the by, do you still think I'm wrong about series circuits? This is soooooooo easy to put to the test...
IDW User ID: 313758 10/17/2007 8:45 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
All the compounds in my organic chemistry 101 book have carbon as a base. This is usually the accepted difinitive charcteristic, but not all carbon molecules originate from biologicals. By the strictest definition, an organic compound is formed by organic process. I have always maintained that since water is incorporated into all living things, water is an organic compound. Water is what makes life possible, and the fact that it is excluded by organic chemistry by a specific and flawed definition, does not mean it is not neccessary for organic processes to take place
7 points out of 10.
Organic compounds have carbon as part of their essential molecular structure. Not all compounds with carbon are considered "organic compounds" (for historical reasons.) Biologic origin is not required. "Organic Chemistry," as a term, is not intended to draw lines around materials of biological origin; it is an organizational classification regarding molecular structure.
And carbon itself is not of organic origin. It is one of the building blocks of life, but it itself originates in stellar processes.
Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 313713
As Ive repeatedly said, youre not qualifed to judge me, and you've proved it thoroughly. This last post , for instance, Taken right from a textbook, but do you ever understand what youre saying?
If you did, how could you mistake what i said as significantly different from the textbook explaination?
See what I mean, fucktard?
Youre consistent. 7 out of ten indeed!
IDW User ID: 313758 10/17/2007 8:47 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
Organic Chemistry by definition is intended to concern STRICTLY materials of biological origin or process. You are totally full of shit, as usual. WHile all of the building blocks of organic chemistry are inorganic in origin, when combined by chemical biological process they become organic compounds. Carbon IS NOT a compound, niether is hydrogen, and by themselves they are not organic molecules.
IDW User ID: 313758 10/17/2007 8:57 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
I don't believe you've managed to find me wrong more than a time or two.
Quoting: NoUse
Now THAT is funny!
Ge whiz, man, are you fucking dense or something? Ive proved you wrong three times in the past 2 pages!
You want a source. get a fucking DICTIONARY!
nomuse (NLI) User ID: 313713 10/17/2007 9:04 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
This last post , for instance, Taken right from a textbook, but do you ever understand what youre saying?
Quoting: IDW 313758
That is a direct lie.
I challenge you. Use every computer skill you have. Find a primary source that my explanation was copied from.
You won't be able to. Those are my words, drawn from my understanding -- an understanding that came out of decades of flirtations with chemistry (I've always wanted to know more but could never seem to buckle down to study it).
The fact that you can't see the difference between your meandering confusion about biologic origin and the actual current definition of "organic chemistry" shows clearly who, among us, is cribbing their answers without a full understanding behind them.
Now THAT is funny!
Ge whiz, man, are you fucking dense or something? Ive proved you wrong three times in the past 2 pages!
You want a source. get a fucking DICTIONARY!
Quoting: IDW 313758
Then it should be easy for you to quote those exact posts.
Unless you are still claiming "Organic Chemistry" is the chemistry of compounds of biologic origin.
Leaves you in an interesting position, doesn't it? You can either prove you are always right by subtly changing your answers until they agree with the current definition of Organic Chemistry -- or you can prove me "wrong" by sticking with your earlier, incorrect, definition and insisting that everyone else is full of it.
Knowing you, though, you'll try to do both.
nomuse (NLI) User ID: 313713 10/17/2007 9:15 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
Man, the astronauts can't REMEMBER what happened on the moon? Manchurian candidates is right. Listen to Part 5:
I've always wondered why Hoagie was so pro-Apollo, but yet disbelieved everything else about NASA to a paranoid degree. Maybe he's coming around.
Operation Paperclip
Quoting: FreshLaundry
Hoagland's story is refreshingly straight-forward. In his narrative, everything of the Apollo Missions takes place as described in the official story. Except for the actual pictures and video from the surface, of which some had to be doctored or even faked to hide the domes, pyramids, and so forth.
Hoagland's conspiracy theory thus needs no pre-recorded radio, astronauts lurking in Earth orbit, suborned tracking stations, or any of that. It strongly limits the number of people that need to be in on the conspiracy, and it has the added advantage of not having to attack the equipment and space science that support the official story.
Hoagland, in fact, has a whole section on his web site where he tears into the stupidity of the "no stars" crowd -- where he argues as strongly as a Jay Utah for the basic veracity of the Apollo missions.
(And I do have to thank him for the bunnies, and the kilometer-long, spookily translucent sand worms of his lively and intriguing Mars).
IDW User ID: 313865 10/17/2007 10:24 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
Hoagland's story is refreshingly straight-forward.
Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 313713
Coming from you, I'm not suprised you think so.
In his narrative, everything of the Apollo Missions takes place as described in the official story. Except for the actual pictures and video from the surface, of which some had to be doctored or even faked to hide the domes, pyramids, and so forth.
Quoting: NoUse
And you find this rendition more straight forward than my own? YOU ARE A FUCKING BONEHEAD, nomuse. Maybe for a sceince fiction novel.
Hoagland's conspiracy theory thus needs no pre-recorded radio, astronauts lurking in Earth orbit, suborned tracking stations, or any of that. It strongly limits the number of people that need to be in on the conspiracy, and it has the added advantage of not having to attack the equipment and space science that support the official story.
Quoting: NoUse
Not many would need to know the truth for it to succeed in my scenario. I am convinced most of the engineers believe they succeeded in their goals, and that most of them actually did. The ones that would have to know were at mission and launch control, and the astronauts themselves.
Hoagland, in fact, has a whole section on his web site where he tears into the stupidity of the "no stars" crowd -- where he argues as strongly as a Jay Utah for the basic veracity of the Apollo missions.
Quoting: Nomuse
Which makes him either an idiot or a liar. As for the "no stars" in the photgraph arguement, no one who understands photogrpahy has any problem understanding why no stars would be apparent.
Didn't hoagie start out on your side? Isnt he Kent Steaman production? You know, the lying fucking jew? I think hes nuts. If there had been alien structures on the moon, they wouldnt have allowed NASA to crash plutonium (and a large spent rocket stage) into the moon. As for Mars, it seems unlikely that any advanced life form can survive there, what with the magnetic field spent. If there are aliens on the moon they would most likely live under the surface of the moon, and not on the surface, which is higly illogical for several reasons.
IDW User ID: 313865 10/17/2007 10:32 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
Now THAT is funny!
Ge whiz, man, are you fucking dense or something? Ive proved you wrong three times in the past 2 pages!
You want a source. get a fucking DICTIONARY!
Then it should be easy for you to quote those exact posts.
Unless you are still claiming "Organic Chemistry" is the chemistry of compounds of biologic origin.
Leaves you in an interesting position, doesn't it? You can either prove you are always right by subtly changing your answers until they agree with the current definition of Organic Chemistry -- or you can prove me "wrong" by sticking with your earlier, incorrect, definition and insisting that everyone else is full of it.
Knowing you, though, you'll try to do both.
Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 313713
"Biologic"?
Its biological, moron. And yes, you were wrong.
Biochemistry involves the study of biosynthisis and its products and building blocks. Organic means orginating by natural process in the strictest terms, but organic chemistry deals with a SLIGHTLY wider scope. For it to be "organic" chemistry organic process MUST be involved.There is no exception.
What world do you live in? The government pays people to hang out on an out of the way website to discredit you, how important you must feel! They needn't worry, you do a better job yourself every time you post. Do you actually go back and read what you post?
You have an intelligence and education that transcends the average human, yet you spend countless hours arguing with uneducated 'fucktards' and unable to go a few posts without resorting to profanity to try to save face.
You claim that since Apollo is making the claim that they landed on the moon and you don't believe, someone else has the burden of proof. Fine, you tell us that Apollo spent their entire mission in high Earth orbit to avoid detection and being fried like chicken. I don't believe you; by your own argument, you have the burden of proof. Have at it.
Nomuse never said that carbon was a compound, does your seriously advanced intellect compromise your ability to read? See for yourself if the CIA hasn't already altered the post...
You and others claim that Buzz Aldrin's quick jumps of temper when accused of deceit are proof of his guilt. Reminds me of your quick use of profanity.
Also, I wanted to reproduce your poll of the Shreveport area, I used to live there and will be back there again. Can you provide me with some of the 3 digit exchanges you called so I don't duplicate them and invalidate the results? I want to get more than a 100 people in a city of over 200K since that's not too statistically significant...
IDW User ID: 313865 10/17/2007 10:40 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
What world do you live in? The government pays people to hang out on an out of the way website to discredit you, how important you must feel! They needn't worry, you do a better job yourself every time you post. Do you actually go back and read what you post?
You have an intelligence and education that transcends the average human, yet you spend countless hours arguing with uneducated 'fucktards' and unable to go a few posts without resorting to profanity to try to save face.
You claim that since Apollo is making the claim that they landed on the moon and you don't believe, someone else has the burden of proof. Fine, you tell us that Apollo spent their entire mission in high Earth orbit to avoid detection and being fried like chicken. I don't believe you; by your own argument, you have the burden of proof. Have at it.
Nomuse never said that carbon was a compound, does your seriously advanced intellect compromise your ability to read? See for yourself if the CIA hasn't already altered the post...
You and others claim that Buzz Aldrin's quick jumps of temper when accused of deceit are proof of his guilt. Reminds me of your quick use of profanity.
Also, I wanted to reproduce your poll of the Shreveport area, I used to live there and will be back there again. Can you provide me with some of the 3 digit exchanges you called so I don't duplicate them and invalidate the results? I want to get more than a 100 people in a city of over 200K since that's not too statistically significant...
Quoting: AlienAbductee
"Nomuse never said that carbon was a compound"
ANd why are you defending him? I smell dirty socks...
IDW User ID: 313865 10/17/2007 10:44 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
NoMuse, you cannot hide your personality. Its laughable watching you try.
I have no doubt you are an alien abductee. Maybe your illegal alien "parents" kidnapped you in a trailer park and beat you over the head with a hockey stick until you lost all contact with reality..
All the compounds in my organic chemistry 101 book have carbon as a base. This is usually the accepted difinitive charcteristic, but not all carbon molecules originate from biologicals. By the strictest definition, an organic compound is formed by organic process. I have always maintained that since water is incorporated into all living things, water is an organic compound. Water is what makes life possible, and the fact that it is excluded by organic chemistry by a specific and flawed definition, does not mean it is not neccessary for organic processes to take place
7 points out of 10.
Organic compounds have carbon as part of their essential molecular structure. Not all compounds with carbon are considered "organic compounds" (for historical reasons.) Biologic origin is not required. "Organic Chemistry," as a term, is not intended to draw lines around materials of biological origin; it is an organizational classification regarding molecular structure.
And carbon itself is not of organic origin. It is one of the building blocks of life, but it itself originates in stellar processes.
Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 313713
There, you see? Not all compounds with carbon. Wow. Not defending him, I just hate seeing people with superior attitudes strut around getting crap WRONG and not being enough of a man to own up to it.
IDW, you are fun. I think I'll make you my new best friend... I've never met someone so easy to provoke and so paranoid... I am not nomuse and you can't accept that. Holy crap! You are pure entertainment!
IDW User ID: 313865 10/17/2007 10:50 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
I do not believe words are "profane".
I do not believe men are , either, Mason, jew and christian alike. Ideas are profane. WHen the idea is not profane, how can the word be, dipshit?
Words do not offend the creator, they offend men they are directed towards . Some think we ought to limit what is allowed to be said to words approved by others, and I simply do not agree. You call it pottymouth or profanity, and I say get thee away from me , o' hypocrite!
There is no way to say "poor stupid fucking bastard" that gets the point accross as accurately in the mental comprehension of vocalized ideas.
Fucktard is as fucktard does
NoMuse, you cannot hide your personality. Its laughable watching you try.
I have no doubt you are an alien abductee. Maybe your illegal alien "parents" kidnapped you in a trailer park and beat you over the head with a hockey stick until you lost all contact with reality..
Quoting: IDW 313865
Maybe EVERYONE who's posting against you is all the SAME person! That way the government only has to pay one person!
IDW User ID: 313865 10/17/2007 10:53 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
IDW, you are fun. I think I'll make you my new best friend... I've never met someone so easy to provoke and so paranoid... I am not nomuse and you can't accept that. Holy crap! You are pure entertainment!
Quoting: AlienAbductee
I'm just having fun with you, and I know who you are, fucktard. Now sign off and post as NoUse!You screwed up, by the way, you said "crap". WHile not all would agree, I dont think thats the kind of language you would use in a church, so its just as fucking profane as a hearty go fuck yourself, complete with double eagle new york style salute.
IDW User ID: 313865 10/17/2007 10:55 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
NoMuse, you cannot hide your personality. Its laughable watching you try.
I have no doubt you are an alien abductee. Maybe your illegal alien "parents" kidnapped you in a trailer park and beat you over the head with a hockey stick until you lost all contact with reality..
Maybe EVERYONE who's posting against you is all the SAME person! That way the government only has to pay one person!
Quoting: AlienAbductee
There are four regulars and a few oddballs posting disinformation here. ALL of them are playing on your team.
IDW stands for Idiot Dipshit Wanker. A pathetic fucktard himself who needs a case of Prozac and a cask of Jack Daniels to get over himself long enough to realize that he sounds like an impotent child trying to hide behind his tough talk against things he doesn't want to accept. He has to make up realities that fit his own wants rather than step out into the world and gather some actual data and try some real investigation. You have yet to cite some credible proof to back up your stories. You claim that NASA is not credible so you will not accept it. I claim that you are not credible. I ask you for one piece of information. Give me 3 of the 3 digit phone prefixes you called in Shreveport, I used to live there. You said you had the phone bills to prove your claim.
Shit or get off the pot. Your use of language either belies your intelligence or your origin, I haven't made up my mind yet. Like you said 'fucktard is as fucktard does.'
NoMuse, you cannot hide your personality. Its laughable watching you try.
I have no doubt you are an alien abductee. Maybe your illegal alien "parents" kidnapped you in a trailer park and beat you over the head with a hockey stick until you lost all contact with reality..
Maybe EVERYONE who's posting against you is all the SAME person! That way the government only has to pay one person!
There are four regulars and a few oddballs posting disinformation here. ALL of them are playing on your team.
Quoting: IDW 313865
Like I said, I'm a new poster... Boy, you really can't accept anything that doesn't fit your definition of truth. You make up what doesn't fit your reality...
This is going to be interesting.
By the way, what language uses 'Majik'?
IDW User ID: 313865 10/17/2007 11:03 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
Well, at least you proved one thing I said, you're a fucking hypocrite. WHich is actually a type of lying, isnt it? WHich makes you a hypocrite and me simply being honest about the way I feel.
How does that grab you?
Yes, fucktard is as fucktard does, and nowhere do we see this illustrated better than in your posts. They are always as meanigless as your existance.
No, you're not.
See how easy that was? Now who is to be believed? What is your motivation for attacking so quickly, and proving your a hypocrite? Doesnt a wise man stay out of a conflict until he at least knows what hes getting into? New poster my hairy ass.
Nomuse, youre a fucking idiot. You cant be a sock puppet here without me knowing it. Whats the point anyway?
How's the Shreveport information coming? You're so confident you're the best at everything. I want to duplicate your poll of Shreveport. An old friend of mine who live in Dallas is going to do that city. Well? Give me 3 phone prefixes you dialed...
IDW User ID: 313865 10/17/2007 11:12 PM
Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!??
You have yet to cite some credible proof to back up your stories.
Quoting: NewMuse
Assuming that was true, and you are as new as you claim, how do you know that? Have you read all of these threads?
See, Nomuse, nomatter how you try I can see its you fairly easily by how stupid you are setting yourself up to be proved wrong or lying, in this case lying.
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