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| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 313713
10/18/2007 4:46 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I must be getting sleepy. Took me this long to remember that many new pharmaceuticals are organic compounds that never existed before. Many new drugs are discovered by taking a known drug and tweaking the molecular structure; adding an atom there, trimming an atom there, reversing part of the structure so it points in the other direction.
Lines are going to get real blurry in the next decade, though. Already they've inserting genes to code artificial proteins into organisms. Pretty soon they'll have spiders spinning dacron and polyesther. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 74444
10/18/2007 4:46 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
You split me up on two threads thinking you could overtax my ability to respond.. Quoting: IDW 313865
Come now, IDW, every debunker knows that your ability to respond can NEVER be overtaxed.
Can your ability to get actual facts be overtaxed? Oh, yes.
Your logic? Sure.
Your ability to write coherently? That, too.
Your ability to resort to fallacious argument? You'll never run out of gas on that one.
Your ability to document your sources and show your work? Well, you so rarely do that, so I don't know if it can be overtaxed or not.
Your ability to admit error? Similarly used so rarely as to prevent a baseline.
But your ability to just respond? It will never be overtaxed. It seems to be a large portion of your life. |
| Barls Knarkley
User ID: 177477
10/18/2007 4:48 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
You cannot call artififcal synthesis organic chemistry and be correct nommater how many people are doing it. Quoting: IDW 313865
Unbelieveable. It doesn't matter if universities have been teaching the common definition of the word for decades, IDW is the sole arbiter of reality. He isn't wrong! The whole freakin' system is wrong!
you really are one of a kind, IDW. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 313713
10/18/2007 4:54 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Neat, Barls!
I'll have to content myself with my new fun in the realm of physical computing. Finally sat down and learned enough C to compile a sensor-reader and MIDI-message generator.
Hazzard, I've thought over this. I think when it comes to message boards, what we have is the successful version of Monty Python's "Argument" sketch.
Basically, people come here to debate. The Apollo Hoax is mostly an excuse. For others, it is 9-11, or if J-lo is still "hot," or if the Marianas Turkey Shoot would have come off differently if the Japanese had a couple more Zeros.
The battle lines are so clearly drawn it is no effort to walk in and pick out the arm band in your team's colors.
But that means a lot of talking past each other. The Apollo Buff comes in this room thinking "Oh, look, people with poor skills in science I can try to educate!" The Hoax Believer comes in with "Oh, look, government disinfo agents all lined up for me to snipe at!"
It is really a surprise that much gets done besides the barnyard posturings and the deep suspicions of motive. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 74444
10/18/2007 4:55 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
you really are one of a kind, IDW. Quoting: Barls Knarkley 177477
Thank goodness. |
| IDW
User ID: 313865
10/18/2007 4:56 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Artificial synthesis is not organic chemistry, nomatter who you reference as making the claim. That fact is self evident except to the most thoroughly brainwashed. While it is impossible to respond to this kind of multithread tag teaming, it is not to your benifit to do it because it only serves to prove exactly what I was trying to prove, that an organized conspiracy exists to conceal the apollo hoax, and I rate an organized team costing the taxpayers thousands of dollars. Thats all I was trying to prove.
I dont care how many people include artificial synthesis of analogues of organic molecules into organic chemistry , I dont. I have never accepted the jewish definition of antisemite, either.
I call it integrity and honesty. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 313713
10/18/2007 4:58 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Impenetrability! That's what _I_ say! |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 313713
10/18/2007 5:01 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
You could try sticking to one thread.
But then it would be even more obviously you are avoiding the hard questions. |
| Barls Knarkley
User ID: 177477
10/18/2007 5:03 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I dont care how many people include artificial synthesis of analogues of organic molecules into organic chemistry , I dont. Quoting: IDW 313865
Is that succinct enough for The List, 74444? |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 313713
10/18/2007 5:03 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Say, 7444, have you considered starting an IDW dictionary? He's got more unique definitions for words than does Ambrose Bierce (Mr. Bierce's dictionary is funnier, though. "...and in Scotland, fed to the people" indeed!) |
| Barls Knarkley
User ID: 177477
10/18/2007 5:05 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Ha! Once I was the ninja student, now I am the master! |
| IDW
User ID: 313865
10/18/2007 5:06 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Here is my definition of "organic chemistry posted three pages back, at the beginning of this discussion, note that it is essentially identical to the definition below it. The last sentence is my opinion based on something so few of you seem to be able to grasp, common sense:
All the compounds in my organic chemistry 101 book have carbon as a base. This is usually the accepted difinitive charcteristic, but not all carbon molecules originate from biologicals. By the strictest definition, an organic compound is formed by organic process. Quoting: IDW
organic chemistry
(Science: chemistry) A branch of chemistry that deals specifically with the structures, synthesis and reactions of carbon-containing compounds.
Retrieved from " [link to www.biology-online.org] |
| IDW
User ID: 313865
10/18/2007 5:07 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I dont care how many people include artificial synthesis of analogues of organic molecules into organic chemistry , I dont.
Is that succinct enough for The List, 74444? Quoting: Barls Knarkley 177477
So publish your list. Put my name on it and you'll be looking down the barrel of a libel lawsuit.
Otherwise, whats the point in compiling it? Can you prove I said a cow jumped over the moon? |
| Barls Knarkley
User ID: 177477
10/18/2007 5:08 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I dont care how many people include artificial synthesis of analogues of organic molecules into organic chemistry , I dont. Quoting: IDW 313865
"Analogues"?
If I show yout two samples of urea, one extracted from my urine (man's got to have a hobby...) and one I whipped up in the lab from inorganic precursors, how would you go about telling me which one was organic, and which one was the 'analogue'? |
| IDW
User ID: 313865
10/18/2007 5:08 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Ha! Once I was the ninja student, now I am the master! Quoting: Barls Knarkley 177477
You are nothing but an arrogant blowhard with an ego out of proportion to your intellect. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 74444
10/18/2007 5:10 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Is that succinct enough for The List, 74444? Quoting: Barls Knarkley 177477
Way ahead of you, Barls.
Say, 7444, have you considered starting an IDW dictionary? He's got more unique definitions for words than does Ambrose Bierce (Mr. Bierce's dictionary is funnier, though. "...and in Scotland, fed to the people" indeed!) Quoting: Nomuse
I have a better idea than even that, though I may incorporate an IDWdictionary...but such an ideas launch will probably be when the List hits the big version 6.0...
Besides -- the IDWdictionary of ANY term would simply be defined as "whatever makes IDW right and everyone else wrong." |
| IDW
User ID: 313865
10/18/2007 5:10 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Say, 7444, have you considered starting an IDW dictionary? He's got more unique definitions for words than does Ambrose Bierce (Mr. Bierce's dictionary is funnier, though. "...and in Scotland, fed to the people" indeed!) Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 313713
Actually my definition of organic chemistry is correct. Youre not supposed to be taught anything that makes sense, and you wernt. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 313713
10/18/2007 5:11 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
For some reason, Barls, you reminded me of a great golden age story in which the unhappy engineers in an early lunar colony decide to turn their talent and energy towards synthesizing milk. |
| Barls Knarkley
User ID: 177477
10/18/2007 5:12 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
The last sentence is my opinion based on something so few of you seem to be able to grasp, common sense: Quoting: IDW 313865
No, IDW. It is not common sense to ignore the unanimous consensus of the entire scientific community's definition of a word.
By the strictest definition, an organic compound is formed by organic process. Quoting: IDW 313865
This is the bit of your definition that we have been hammering you on, IDW.
organic chemistry
(Science: chemistry) A branch of chemistry that deals specifically with the structures, synthesis and reactions of carbon-containing compounds. Quoting: IDW 313865
And this does not address the point we have been correcting you on. In the chemistry sense of the word, organic does not equate to biological. |
| IDW
User ID: 313865
10/18/2007 5:12 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Look at what youve done on these two threads in the past three hours, idiots!
You never fucking learn, do you?
And you believe I and the american people should have to pay the federal government for this ?
LMAO! |
| Barls Knarkley
User ID: 177477
10/18/2007 5:14 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I have a better idea than even that, though I may incorporate an IDWdictionary...but such an ideas launch will probably be when the List hits the big version 6.0... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444
Wiki! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 74444
10/18/2007 5:15 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
So publish your list. Put my name on it and you'll be looking down the barrel of a libel lawsuit. Quoting: IDW 313865
Really? How would you expect to win such a suit?
Firstly: They're quotes. You wrote 'em, I just compiled them.
Secondly: How do the quotes DAMAGE you? They don't.
Thirdly: Laws about PARODY are very strict in this country. The second your book is published (assuming it exists, of course) you're in the public eye. And I can tease you and your ideas as much as I like. I can create a website "IDWisabigfatidiot.com" and you can't say boo about it.
It's hard to be a celebrity.
Tough luck, big guy. |
| HAZZARD
User ID: 308422
10/18/2007 6:41 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
The Apollo Buff comes in this room thinking "Oh, look, people with poor skills in science I can try to educate!" The Hoax Believer comes in with "Oh, look, government disinfo agents all lined up for me to snipe at!"
It is really a surprise that much gets done besides the barnyard posturings and the deep suspicions of motive. Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 313713
You do have a point here.
But you are forgetting the "people on the fence", the ones that dont know what to believe. Im not fighting for their imortal souls or anything as noble as that, Im just trying to provide answers to some of their questions, in the end its up to them to use logical reasoning and draw their own conclusions, as I have.
People like IDW...Well, lets just say that physics is not his strong suit...
Do you remeber the "rooster tails", the dust and sand kicked up by the LRV, the mooncar, it conclusively proved that the dust was in fact thrown up in 1/6 g and in a vacuum, due to their rate of fall (as did the feather and hammer demonstration done by Dave Scott on Apollo 15).
Their height was a factor of the impulse applied to the dust, which could be calculated by the LRVs velocity at the time, rotational velocity of the wheels, etc... and the effect that the fenders of the LRV, which deflected alot of the dust, had on the path of the dust.
Ive never done that calculation, however...because it was not necessary in view of the fact that the fall rate to the surface was perfectly consistent with 1/6 g, and the absence of dust clouds being generated clearly showed it was a vacuum environment.
The only place we know of where this can happen is in fact, on the Moon.
Japanese scientists did in fact do studies on the lunar films, and they confirmed that the movements in them were consistent with 1/6 g vacuum movements. They were very attentive, and it was very interesting to see their analysis of these things back in the day.
But again...these aspects have all been pointed out to our rather obsessive friend... |
| Publius
User ID: 313688
10/18/2007 6:42 AM
 | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
real
I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. |
| HAZZARD
User ID: 308422
10/18/2007 6:56 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
So, IDW is back on the lawsuit train again. I wouldnt worry about it. Back in the days, when debating "chemtrails" and making a fool out of himselfe, as he is now, he wrote...
"I have long since decided not to argue about the reality of arial obscuration with paid debunkers, I just send thier IP addresses to the proper authorities for future prosecution on charges of conspiracy to commit mass murder.
They will argue they didn´t know, but it will do them no good. If you were paid to lie, and you knew what you were lying about was killing people, you are by definition guilty of conspiracy to commit murder and obstuction of justice."
Robert W. Hawkins
User ID: 9147
8/5/2005
3:40 am EDT
Somewhere there is a room full of "proper authorities" laughing their asses off...if he does not do this anonymously, then I think there might be some involuntary commitment in his future. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 289861
10/18/2007 8:31 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
IDW, are you writing a book?
When will it be published? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 314027
10/18/2007 11:21 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Your still flogging this dead Horse?
Knarls & his team got owned about 5 pages ago.At one stage they got so desperate that they started calling NASA embellisher's. |
| IDW
User ID: 314074
10/18/2007 12:18 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
So publish your list. Put my name on it and you'll be looking down the barrel of a libel lawsuit.
Really? How would you expect to win such a suit?
Firstly: They're quotes. You wrote 'em, I just compiled them.
Secondly: How do the quotes DAMAGE you? They don't.
Thirdly: Laws about PARODY are very strict in this country. The second your book is published (assuming it exists, of course) you're in the public eye. And I can tease you and your ideas as much as I like. I can create a website "IDWisabigfatidiot.com" and you can't say boo about it.
It's hard to be a celebrity.
Tough luck, big guy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444
I think your forgetting, Ive have avoided the attention you think I desire all my life, and I have never agreed with anything just because "everyone" else does, or it's "what we were taught". I am not a public figure, nor do I intend to be. If you want to start a website for the purpose of discrediting my findings based upon material that intentionally misrepresents what I said, then that would be a libel, intended to harm the credibility. Now Phil Plait and Jay Weasely...theyre public figures, by thier own choice.
If you want to ridicule my ideas, such as the possibility the moon does not originate inside this solar system and EMR is composed of electrons in a passive vibration to an oscilating magnetic field, go ahead. But keep in mind the likelyhood that these ideas are correct is extremely high. My intention was to place these ideas where they could be discussed intelligently, not trampled by filthy swine. As it were, I had to settle for a shakedown of my ideas, to see if any of you could provide a reasonably adequate arguement against them. You never tryed. That was the odd thing about it. You agrued against ME.
The ones that met with organized resistance usally involved a conspiracy by the federal government to either lie to, defraud or harm the American people. When someone is paying ffor an organized campaign such as exposed here to defend against an accusation about something that happened forty years ago, the odds are very high that accusation is the truth. I have said things that many of you repeatedly make the unjustified claim that because it does not agree with consensus, it is automatically wrong. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 289861
10/18/2007 12:18 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Your still flogging this dead Horse?
Knarls & his team got owned about 5 pages ago.At one stage they got so desperate that they started calling NASA embellisher's. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 314027
Who, me? What dead horse would I be flogging?
I only asked if IDW was actually writing a book, and when it would be published if it were true. |
| IDW
User ID: 314074
10/18/2007 12:28 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
So, IDW is back on the lawsuit train again. I wouldnt worry about it. Back in the days, when debating "chemtrails" and making a fool out of himselfe, as he is now, he wrote...
"I have long since decided not to argue about the reality of arial obscuration with paid debunkers, I just send thier IP addresses to the proper authorities for future prosecution on charges of conspiracy to commit mass murder.
They will argue they didn´t know, but it will do them no good. If you were paid to lie, and you knew what you were lying about was killing people, you are by definition guilty of conspiracy to commit murder and obstuction of justice."
Robert W. Hawkins
User ID: 9147
8/5/2005
3:40 am EDT
Somewhere there is a room full of "proper authorities" laughing their asses off...if he does not do this anonymously, then I think there might be some involuntary commitment in his future. Quoting: HAZZARD 308422
And what does this prove? You think the 'proper' authorities are controlled by the agenda you represent and not anyone who would ever give me a chance to come against you? Youre not as popular as you think, and not getting any more popular. In fact, the authority you represent is hated, corrupted to its rotten core, and illigitamate, as well as unrepresentative of the people of this country and this world as a whole.
I decided not to argue the chemtrial issue any longer when I was totally satisifed that thier existance , purpose and effects had been thoroughly scrutinized. |
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