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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 314027
10/18/2007 12:32 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Your still flogging this dead Horse?
Knarls & his team got owned about 5 pages ago.At one stage they got so desperate that they started calling NASA embellisher's.
Who, me? What dead horse would I be flogging?
I only asked if IDW was actually writing a book, and when it would be published if it were true. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 289861
Not you. I meant anyone still listening to Knarls & crew. |
| IDW
User ID: 314074
10/18/2007 12:43 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I dont care how many people include artificial synthesis of analogues of organic molecules into organic chemistry , I dont.
"Analogues"?
If I show yout two samples of urea, one extracted from my urine (man's got to have a hobby...) and one I whipped up in the lab from inorganic precursors, how would you go about telling me which one was organic, and which one was the 'analogue'? Quoting: Barls Knarkley 177477
You know, thats an interesting question, actually. Is there any difference? Well, fucktard, IS THERE? I see a fundamental difference.
ANd just how many organic compounds are duplicatable with artificial synthesis in the lab?
Why is it important that you believe artificial synthesis is organic chemistry? THINK! for a change, think for yourselves.
Now if you could actually synthesize fairly complex organic molecules, compounds like cocaine and heroin for instance, youd be the richest man on earth. The truth is you are taught this definition only to get you to accept the untruth that something produced by artificial means can replicate naturally produced materials. In other words I do think there is a difference between urea produced in the lab and urea produced by natural process, and it concerns me that they are being misrepresented as the same. |
| IDW
User ID: 314074
10/18/2007 12:45 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Your still flogging this dead Horse?
Knarls & his team got owned about 5 pages ago.At one stage they got so desperate that they started calling NASA embellisher's.
Who, me? What dead horse would I be flogging?
I only asked if IDW was actually writing a book, and when it would be published if it were true.
Not you. I meant anyone still listening to Knarls & crew. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 314027
No one is listening to them except themselves.
There has been no one else here.
I am the pinata.
Take a wack
But watch out
this pinata wacks back! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 74444
10/18/2007 1:39 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I think your forgetting, Ive have avoided the attention you think I desire all my life, and I have never agreed with anything just because "everyone" else does, or it's "what we were taught". Quoting: IDW 314074
That's fine.
I am not a public figure, nor do I intend to be. Quoting: IDW 314074
Then maybe you DON'T have a book coming out? Were you lying about that after all?
Because the *second* its out, you're a public figure. No ifs, ands, or buts.
So which is it? Is there a book coming out any moment now, and thus you're a public figure? Or you don't, and you're not a public figure: you were just lying about the book in the first place?
Which is it, IDW?
If you want to start a website for the purpose of discrediting my findings based upon material that intentionally misrepresents what I said, then that would be a libel, intended to harm the credibility. Quoting: IDW 314074
It's based on material that doesn't misrepresent you at all. Heck, most of it YOU wrote yourself.
If you want to ridicule my ideas, such as the possibility the moon does not originate inside this solar system and EMR is composed of electrons in a passive vibration to an oscilating magnetic field, go ahead. Quoting: IDW 314074
Why, thank you for your kind and utterly unnecessary permission.
But keep in mind the likelyhood that these ideas are correct is extremely high. Quoting: IDW 314074
Except that its not.
My intention was to place these ideas where they could be discussed intelligently, not trampled by filthy swine. Quoting: IDW 314074
So, once again, you chose a Conspiracy Message board to do this, rather than a whole host of far more appropriate channels, with those who might have intelligence anywhere near your super-I.Q. It seems to me that you were taking the idea to the kindergarten sandbox rather than testing it with the adults. Why would that be, except your own worry about the weakness of the ideas?
As it were, I had to settle for a shakedown of my ideas, to see if any of you could provide a reasonably adequate arguement against them. You never tryed. That was the odd thing about it. You agrued against ME. Quoting: IDW 314074
This must be the old selective IDW memory in action. Many of your claims regarding Apollo were solidly refuted. So were many of your physics ideas. Your ideas fail to explain facts currently in evidence. And you can't believe your idea was so thoroughly trounced by people who are admitted amateurs here at GLP. But, yet, you were.
And YOU argue against people ALL THE TIME. You can say 'you started it,' or other such childish excuses. But the fact of the matter is that NO ONE argues more with the poster personally, rather than the idea, than you, yourself. You're FAMOUS for it.
The ones that met with organized resistance usally involved a conspiracy by the federal government to either lie to, defraud or harm the American people. Quoting: IDW 314074
I still have no evidence that such a conspiracy exists, and quite a bit that it doesn't. There's nothing organized about the people who counter you at all. Better use of resources would just be to ban you from any board that you're on, or make your internet connection so lousy as to be unusable, particularly as its *dial up* for goodness sake. The whole idea of 'organized resistence' is just a way for you to artifically inflate your ego.
When someone is paying ffor an organized campaign such as exposed here to defend against an accusation about something that happened forty years ago, the odds are very high that accusation is the truth. Quoting: IDW 314074
I don't think that's an accurate barometer of gaging truth. And I certainly have not been offered any compensation, financial or otherwise, to oppose your ideas. So, you're just wrong again.
I have said things that many of you repeatedly make the unjustified claim that because it does not agree with consensus, it is automatically wrong. Quoting: IDW 314074
That's not why I disagree with you. I disagree with your ideas because they don't conform to the EVIDENCE. I disagree with them because they are not falsifiable, and not science, but you represent them as such. I disagree with them because they are often wrong. I disagree with the way they are presented, I disagree with your constant barrages of childish name calling and reliance on fallacious argument, I disagree with your bullying tactics.
You simply get all bent out of shape when I point your shortcomings out.
Lawsuit, indeed. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 314131
10/18/2007 2:29 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
NASA did send people to the Moon.
They're going to do it again.
They did it 38 years ago.
There ya go. Do you have anything more specific to say?
Apparently they cannot.
Thats the point of this thread.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 314131
10/18/2007 2:34 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Your still flogging this dead Horse?
Knarls & his team got owned about 5 pages ago.At one stage they got so desperate that they started calling NASA embellisher's. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 314027
Thats why they are talking about "organic" nonsense.
The moon landing was debunked, with relish. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 262563
10/18/2007 3:47 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Then maybe you DON'T have a book coming out? Were you lying about that after all?
Because the *second* its out, you're a public figure. No ifs, ands, or buts.
So which is it? Is there a book coming out any moment now, and thus you're a public figure? Or you don't, and you're not a public figure: you were just lying about the book in the first place?
Which is it, IDW? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444
Tat's the question I want to see IDW answer!
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 289861
10/18/2007 3:58 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
No one is listening to them except themselves.
There has been no one else here.
I am the pinata.
Take a wack
But watch out
this pinata wacks back! Quoting: IDW 314074
Wtf? I only asked if you were really writing a book, and when it would be published. What's all this talk about pinatas? |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 314184
10/18/2007 5:53 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
PINATA II
This Time it's Armed!
Right, now that IDW's gone to bed, did anyone want to talk about the Moon? |
| AlienAbductee
User ID: 312874
10/18/2007 7:16 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Hey nomuse,
Did you know that I'm really YOU? IDW told me so last night. He said he knows exactly who I am...
But I did look into the whole polar orbit thing and I found a website which some will discredit (since it's NASA) and I have an interesting thought about a polar orbit vs a equatorial orbit.
[link to history.nasa.gov]
Why must everyone treat space as 2D? Why could they not have done a polar insertion and then used a corrective burn for lunar targeting once relatively safe from the Van Allen belts?
Any extra fuel needed seems an acceptable trade-off to mitigate the possibility of deep frying our astronauts before they can even leave LEO. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 314184
10/18/2007 7:24 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
IDW's right for the wrong reason here (or is it wrong for the right reason?)
Trouble with the circumpolar orbit is not with making it to the Moon -- the Hohlmann transfer doesn't give a whit if you are in the plane of the orbit of the bodies in question. No, problem is getting there from your equatorial start. There's a reason the Cape is down in Florida; that extra kick you get from being close to the equator! If you decide to make your orbit circumpolar you are tossing all that velocity and adding a different vector instead.
I have this memory, though, that the Apollo flight path did include some plane change. Maybe, tho, it was just the change from Earth equatorial plane to lunar orbit plane. |
| SpaceCadet
User ID: 16644
10/18/2007 7:50 PM
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PINATA II
This Time it's Armed!
Right, now that IDW's gone to bed, did anyone want to talk about the Moon? Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 314184
No one wants to talk about the Moon with you nomuse-hairgel(NIL)
The only things that come out of any replies that you have is, 'Narls & crew' are always right about everything.
Its mildly amusing to see you boys continuing to always congratulate yourselves, and patting each others backs(ides).
I suppose if anything, it gives everyone else something to laugh at.
Do tell have you, Narls, Hazzard & 7444 considered starting up your own chess club? I've heard all the boys really love backing each other up in those clubs, if you know what I mean. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 314184
10/18/2007 7:55 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
The only things that come out of any replies that you have is, 'Narls & crew' are always right about everything. Quoting: SpaceCadet
If you pay close enough attention, you can see how we correct each other. And if you pay close enough attention (aka, read a post or two) you can find plenty of admissions like "I'm not sure," and "I don't know."
There is only one person on this thread with all the answers. Fortunately, he's not here at the moment. The rest of us think that honesty means showing your work and revealing your doubts -- and letting the chips fall where they may. |
| SpaceCadet
User ID: 16644
10/18/2007 8:07 PM
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The only things that come out of any replies that you have is, 'Narls & crew' are always right about everything.
If you pay close enough attention, you can see how we correct each other. And if you pay close enough attention (aka, read a post or two) you can find plenty of admissions like "I'm not sure," and "I don't know."
There is only one person on this thread with all the answers. Fortunately, he's not here at the moment. The rest of us think that honesty means showing your work and revealing your doubts -- and letting the chips fall where they may. Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 314184
You boys keep on telling yourselves that if it comforts you all.
You have to confess though, how can people take any of you guys seriously, as you all supposedly want, if your always hanging out on a site such as GLP posting your scientific pontifications. I can understand all your serious science being posted on science journal sites where readers lap up that sort of stuff. But why here where the majority of people don't even care about it, or even care about your high and mighty judgments on & belittling of everyone elses supposed 'lack of understanding'. It just makes you all look really silly and lacking any credibility when you all do that. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 314184
10/18/2007 8:22 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
This ain't work. This is play.
My serious questions (and answers) are in far different forums than this -- and in far more limited fields. |
| SpaceCadet
User ID: 16644
10/18/2007 8:29 PM
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This ain't work. This is play.
My serious questions (and answers) are in far different forums than this -- and in far more limited fields. Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 314184
As long as its fulfilling some deep seated need within yourself, thats all that matters I suppose.
If its only play, why are you guys so serious about 'trying' to pull apart anything that IDW posts on GLP?
You all consider this your play, to 'try' and torment and harass someone posting what he believes is right. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 314184
10/18/2007 8:34 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Hey, when he plays nice, I'm quite willing to explore his theory. It's interesting, it's different, it's at the very least illuminating of what we think we know, and, heck, there's even a chance he's right!
It's when IDW goes into bully mode that I just can't help but respond. I'm not fond of slug-fests, but I've also never been good at backing down from bullies.
Others on this board feel the same. That's why conversations with IDW inevitably degenerate, to the dis-service of whatever was previously being discussed. |
| SpaceCadet
User ID: 16644
10/18/2007 8:42 PM
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Hey, when he plays nice, I'm quite willing to explore his theory. It's interesting, it's different, it's at the very least illuminating of what we think we know, and, heck, there's even a chance he's right!
It's when IDW goes into bully mode that I just can't help but respond. I'm not fond of slug-fests, but I've also never been good at backing down from bullies.
Others on this board feel the same. That's why conversations with IDW inevitably degenerate, to the dis-service of whatever was previously being discussed. Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 314184
Why do any of you guys bother replying to any of his posts then, it sounds like a weird kind of thing to want to always destroy someone elses internet ramblings. He tends to want to show what he believes is right, however you continually want to 'always' prove that he is wrong about everything. |
| Barls Knarkley
User ID: 177477
10/18/2007 9:53 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Your still flogging this dead Horse?
Knarls & his team got owned about 5 pages ago.At one stage they got so desperate that they started calling NASA embellisher's. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 314027
You keep telling your self that.
I find it amusing that HBs can sometimes insist that NASA is a monolithic entity with all employees in Borglike groupthink, like here with the hyperbole of one science writer, but on the other hand the whole Apollo project was so compartmentalised that everybody thought it was real and only Wernher von Braun, Deke Slayton and a sock puppet knew it was all faked.
One writer engaged in one act of hyperbole. That is all.
I’ll also note that you appear unwilling or incapable of telling me where I was wrong in showing that the Moon is not radioactive. All you can do is wilfully misinterpret my assignation of responsibility. Wow, you’re right. How owned am I. |
| Barls Knarkley
User ID: 177477
10/18/2007 10:10 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
it sounds like a weird kind of thing to want to always destroy someone elses internet ramblings. Quoting: SpaceCadet
As opposed to completely content free trolls, SpaceCadet? |
| SpaceCadet
User ID: 16644
10/18/2007 10:21 PM
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it sounds like a weird kind of thing to want to always destroy someone elses internet ramblings.
As opposed to completely content free trolls, SpaceCadet? Quoting: Barls Knarkley 177477
Well you should know about completely content free trolling, your the master of it. At least here and now i'll praise you Narls as one of the top master trolls.
 <---Narls the Troll Master
 <---Me, looking amazed at the Master of Forceful Trolling |
| AlienAbductee
User ID: 312874
10/18/2007 10:34 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Nomuse,
I was thinking about the switch from equatorial to polar orbit. How much velocity would really be lost with one or two minor adjustments from their original trajectory? If you're on a standard orbit, there's going to be some wobble along the plane anyway due to the tilt. I am imagining swinging a weight and then changing the swing slowly. Mostly I also Imagine bashing myself in the head, too. |
| Barls Knarkley
User ID: 177477
10/18/2007 10:50 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
According to the link below, there was a scheduled plane change of the Apollo CSM after the LM touched down that was cancelled. It would appear to have just been a tweak rather than a big burn.
[link to apollomaniacs.web.infoseek.co.jp]
This explanation of Lunar Orbit Rendezvous talks a fair bit about plane changes, most of them quite small:
[link to history.nasa.gov]
I'm pretty sure that the later missions needed a slightly bigger plane change from the CSM in order to be in place for rendezvous.
I haven't found anything in a cursory search about plane changes after TLI. I'll look a bit further when I can. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 314333
10/18/2007 11:15 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Why do any of you guys bother replying to any of his posts then, it sounds like a weird kind of thing to want to always destroy someone elses internet ramblings. He tends to want to show what he believes is right, however you continually want to 'always' prove that he is wrong about everything. Quoting: SpaceCadet
It's also hard not to feed trolls.
Hey, if IDW said "I have this great new theory, it might not be right, but it could explain a lot of things" people would be much nicer to him.
Instead he says "All you fucktards are brainwashed supporters of fake Jew science. I can explain how physics really works, but I won't bother because everyone but me is too dumb to understand it. Bow down and kiss the feet of your racial superior, asswipes."
Except with a LOT more swearing, insults, bad spelling, funny punctuation, and so forth.
At least he doesn't abuse smileys! |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 314333
10/18/2007 11:19 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Nomuse,
I was thinking about the switch from equatorial to polar orbit. How much velocity would really be lost with one or two minor adjustments from their original trajectory? If you're on a standard orbit, there's going to be some wobble along the plane anyway due to the tilt. I am imagining swinging a weight and then changing the swing slowly. Mostly I also Imagine bashing myself in the head, too. Quoting: AlienAbductee
Think in vectors. A plane change is the difference between those two orbits. In the case of, say, going from a perfect equatorial orbit to a perfect polar orbit, vector math says you basically slow down until you aren't orbiting at all, then speed up again along the other orbit. The total delta-V is that of doing one of those orbits twice as fast. |
| SunSpot
User ID: 240713
10/18/2007 11:53 PM
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Nomuse,
I was thinking about the switch from equatorial to polar orbit. How much velocity would really be lost with one or two minor adjustments from their original trajectory? If you're on a standard orbit, there's going to be some wobble along the plane anyway due to the tilt. I am imagining swinging a weight and then changing the swing slowly. Mostly I also Imagine bashing myself in the head, too.
Think in vectors. A plane change is the difference between those two orbits. In the case of, say, going from a perfect equatorial orbit to a perfect polar orbit, vector math says you basically slow down until you aren't orbiting at all, then speed up again along the other orbit. The total delta-V is that of doing one of those orbits twice as fast. Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 314333
Cost of a plane change is the sine of the angle of change times the orbital velocity at that angle. At the altitude of Hubble, the orbital velocity is about 7,500 meters/second. About the best angle you can get from a Kennedy launch is 52 degrees. So going from there to a polar orbit would require a delta-V of sin(90-52) x 7500 m/second = 0.6 x 7500 = 4500 m/sec (very approximate). Considering that the delta-V it takes to send a spacecraft out of Earth orbit and to the Moon is a little over 3000 m/sec, the cost of a plane change is considerable. |
| IDW
User ID: 314074
10/19/2007 12:21 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
HBs can sometimes insist that NASA is a monolithic entity with all employees in Borglike groupthink Quoting: Barls Knarkley 177477
I never said that, but I wish I had! |
| IDW
User ID: 314074
10/19/2007 12:22 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
By the way, I a not the hoax believer, I am the debunker. You are the hoax believer! At least you claim you believe it. |
| IDW
User ID: 314074
10/19/2007 12:27 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
"All you fucktards are brainwashed supporters of fake Jew science. I can explain how physics really works, but I won't bother because everyone but me is too dumb to understand it. Bow down and kiss the feet of your racial superior, asswipes." Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 314333
I tried to explain it, you are brainwashed, and much of science is either fake or wrong. It has always been that way, and always will be. With Science being the constantly evolving discipline it is, things that are accepted as fact today will be ridiculed 50 years from now.. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 314333
10/19/2007 12:29 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I think that one is already in the dictionary. |
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