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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 314648
10/19/2007 6:15 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Another thing: what about the repetitive background in most pictures? no one has debunked that, either in apollohoax or in badastronomy.
As always you hoaxbeliever are confused..As much as I like to help you that are interested in the Apollo missions, the burden of proof is the responsibility of the accuser, not the accused.
But sure Ill try and answer this question for you.
The above example, which was presented in the FOX TV program, is just one of many hoax claims about "identical backgrounds" and "artificial backdrops".
If someone is going to claim the backgrounds are identical, they had better be IDENTICAL.
In this case, as in all such claims, the backgrounds are clearly not identical.
If you examine the photos with scrutiny, differences can be easily identified. For example, look closely at the hill on the right of each photo and you will notice that the angles of view are significantly different.
[ link to www.braeunig.us]
It is obvious the photos were taken from different camera positions, thus we see different foreground terrain. In the right photo it appears the LM is off-camera to the left.
Another factor to consider is, due to the lack of an atmosphere, distant objects on the Moon appear clearer than they do on Earth, thus the background mountains may be more distant than they appear to be.
As such, a change in camera position may, at first observation, have a nearly unperceivable affect on the appearance of the background.
However, close examination will reveal otherwise.
Are you kidding me???? they are identical!!!! exactly the same! |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 314617
10/19/2007 6:21 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Are you kidding me???? they are identical!!!! exactly the same! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 314648
Do a blink comparison. Simple way is to use PhotoShop, line up the same area on two different layers, and adjust the transparency. Just eyeballing it isn't anywhere near accurate enough. |
| IDW
User ID: 314748
10/19/2007 11:02 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
If they werent taking the world we live in with them, I would be content to say nothing, and let men believe what they are told by those seeking to enslave thier minds.
We have entered a dark age of science, where revolutionary
ideas that challenge the status quo while providing a better explaination are not met with eager enthusiasm but with disdain and ridicule, and even overt threats of violence.
By the time you realize I was on working on your behalf and not against you, it will be too late. You have been lied to. Much of what you believe is science fact is totally fabricated ,this to keep you from ever knowing the truth, that you are the master of your own reality and destiny. What you think matters, it is a powerful tool to be used against you or to your benefit. |
| IDW
User ID: 314748
10/19/2007 11:06 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
The lunar rover never traveled more than 300 yards from the LEM. Where is it in the panarama shot I posted?
It should be somewhere in the panarama. Its not. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 314704
10/19/2007 11:11 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Cease and desist , we did go to the moon , didnt we ?? |
| IDW
User ID: 314748
10/19/2007 11:15 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Thoughtful post, Lt.
He will not give his work, he does not want anyone to replicate and validate it. Instead he insists "You aren't smart enough to understand." Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 314617
Ive went into great detail proving my points, and if they wernt good ones you wouldnt be assigned to me along with your comrades.
But perhaps there lies the other distinction. To me, all ideas can be approached critically, regardless of source. Quoting: NoUse
Well isnt that nice! Reagrdless of source! You sound like you might think alot of yourself. No one else does.
Perhaps the style of GLP is that all ideas should be absorbed uncritically, and given a chance to flower before the sharp shears of rationality are applied to prune them. Quoting: NoUse
Rationality or rationalization? Do you know the difference? Rationality means you let the facts decide your opinion and rationalization means you adjust the facts to suit your needs. |
| IDW
User ID: 314748
10/19/2007 11:17 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Cease and desist , we did go to the moon , didnt we ?? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 314704
No.
At least not on a manned landing mission.
The probability is so near to 100% that the lunar missions were fraudulent that I am confident enough to answer your question with one word and not worry about anyone ever proving me wrong,
NO |
| IDW
User ID: 314748
10/19/2007 11:53 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
The ONE thing that makes the Apollo story so intriguing to most people is why anyone would need to defend something that supposedly isnt in question. Propagandists caused the suspicion. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 314774
10/20/2007 12:52 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
It makes me suspicious people try to attack Apollo. I mean, come on, a decades-old journey from the early days of the space program? How does that affect anyone today?
Suspicious people might think this is a cheap bit of anti-American propaganda being paid for by overseas interests. Doesn't take much to spread a few scurrilous rumors.
Cuts both ways, IDW. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 314774
10/20/2007 1:07 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Actually, what is much more likely is...here's something cool and scientific-sounding from far enough ago that most people have very little idea what actually happened.
So it's easy to make up stories about. Like making up stories about who "really" built the pyramids, or if Tesla had a death ray up his sleeve, or how Harry Houdini really felt about ghosts.
It takes so little research and time. Unlike perhaps, say, making up stories about the Lusitania, if you pick Apollo you get to make use of huge government archives of public-domain photographs. You can make a book or a video with very little money spent or other effort on your part.
And even as an amateur in the hoax, all you need to do is watch one or two Google videos. Since the people you work with or go to school with haven't even done that much, you can impress them with your knowledge of a terrible hoax they never even imagined.
But, you know, you start spreading stories about Pearl Harbor, or the Anasazi, or quantum entanglement, and eventually you will run into some obsessive closet geek on the subject. A Pacific War buff, A tribal historian, a physics nut. And they'll tear into you; from that heady combination of pride in their field, a desire to show off their knowledge, and disgust at the spread of misinformation.
In the case of Apollo, sure the great unwashed doesn't know much about the program, and probably cares less. But there is a frightening number of people who know something about the space sciences.
Even more, if you pin the made-up evidence of your hoax theory on photography or radio or particle physics you are bound to run into someone who works professionally in those fields and just can't help putting you straight.
Apollo sits astride too many subjects that too many people obsess about. Astronomy, amateur radio, history, space sciences -- which of course attracts at least some number of the science fiction and wargaming crowd. I don't think you can swing a "no stars in the pictures!" cat in a crowded room without hitting someone who will take it upon himself or herself to set the record very, very straight. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 74444
10/20/2007 3:55 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
The probability is so near to 100% that the lunar missions were fraudulent that I am confident enough to answer your question with one word and not worry about anyone ever proving me wrong, Quoting: IDW 314748
You know, you should talk to this guy on this thread about rationalization. He says its about bending facts to suit your needs, and how wrong that is. Perhaps he could convince you to stop doing it... |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 314774
10/20/2007 3:57 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Notice he's backing off from IDW's Current Laws? Wanna bet he realized someone might actually have a voltmeter and two resistors and thus prove him wrong? |
| Bored and Forgetful Moonies
User ID: 253665
10/20/2007 5:45 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Is it true that all of Earths laws don't apply on the Moon?
Maybe thats why all of the astronauts that walked on the Moon can't remember what it felt like, the emotions of being on the Moon seems to elude them in all of their memories.
Or maybe the whole experience of being on the Moon was so boring for all the atronauts, maybe thats why the Moon walkers of Apollo 11 almost fell aspleep and looked completely bored in their post-landing news conference. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 289912
10/20/2007 6:04 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Is it true that all of Earths laws don't apply on the Moon?
Maybe thats why all of the astronauts that walked on the Moon can't remember what it felt like, the emotions of being on the Moon seems to elude them in all of their memories.
Or maybe the whole experience of being on the Moon was so boring for all the atronauts, maybe thats why the Moon walkers of Apollo 11 almost fell aspleep and looked completely bored in their post-landing news conference. Quoting: Bored and Forgetful Moonies 253665
Yes I've heard what you said as well, I'm thinking maybe alot of hypno-therapy was used on those hard astronaut men. To make them all into sniffling, tearful cry babies. Thats what actually happens when these guys would have trouble remembering what it was like to be on the Moon. Also there violent response to anyone that dares mention to them that they never landed on the Moon. |
| Publius
User ID: 314843
10/20/2007 6:09 AM
 | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
real
I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. |
| Real
User ID: 270409
10/20/2007 6:23 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
real |
| Bad
User ID: 270409
10/20/2007 6:24 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
real
real Quoting: Real 270409
Bad |
| Hoax
User ID: 270409
10/20/2007 6:24 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
real
real
Bad Quoting: Bad 270409
Hoax |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 289861
10/20/2007 8:25 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Maybe thats why all of the astronauts that walked on the Moon can't remember what it felt like, the emotions of being on the Moon seems to elude them in all of their memories. Quoting: Bored and Forgetful Moonies 253665
[link to www.youtube.com]
Buzz Aldrin seems to know pretty well how things went. He even recalls having the urge to... well, it's around 6:10 when he says it.
On the other hand, if you believe Aldrin didn't walk on the moon it doesn't count. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 289861
10/20/2007 8:28 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
By that I mean that you say "all of the astronauts THAT WALKED ON THE MOON can't remember what it felt like" (emphasis mine). |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 315038
10/20/2007 4:35 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Are you kidding me???? they are identical!!!! exactly the same!
Do a blink comparison. Simple way is to use PhotoShop, line up the same area on two different layers, and adjust the transparency. Just eyeballing it isn't anywhere near accurate enough. Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 314617
I did. They are identical, for all intentions and purposes. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 315038
10/20/2007 4:36 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Are you kidding me???? they are identical!!!! exactly the same!
Do a blink comparison. Simple way is to use PhotoShop, line up the same area on two different layers, and adjust the transparency. Just eyeballing it isn't anywhere near accurate enough. Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 314617
I did use Photoshop. The backgrounds match almost 100%. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 315025
10/20/2007 4:40 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Did you use the little images from that link you provided, or find some bigger ones? |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 315025
10/20/2007 4:42 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Nice work, by the way. If you export it as a gif animation you can post it for other people to see.
I didn't mention making sure you were using large pictures before, because (honestly) I'm not used to people on this thread doing their own work. So salutes again.
Hey...I should do a study like that at Death Valley. I had same experience hiking there, when I walked over four miles and the Panamints remained absolutely identical (they were over twenty miles away). |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 315025
10/20/2007 4:54 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Hrm. Just set up the "braenig" pictures in PhotoShop Elements. Had to rotate AS15-82-11082 slightly, but still couldn't get them to line up that closely. At the best I could do, the right-hand outcrop is in almost identical position between the photographs but the left-hand ridge (particularly the distant center peak) visible retreat "behind" it.
I would state with some certainty the the photographer moved at least ten meters to the right before taking the second picture. I can see some creep of the features on the right-hand slope that also support that.
Anyone care to check the surface record to confirm this guess? |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 315025
10/20/2007 5:10 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
All right...
[link to img86.imageshack.us]
Quick gif animation. Dunno about you, but I can see the camera's shift to the right very clearly. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 264194
10/21/2007 4:40 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
i heard that our science guy HAZZARD got banned by trinity for his last post on page 36.
thats right, in this fucking madhouse filled with screaming paranoid idiots he is the one that got banned.
trinity....explain please. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 313395
10/21/2007 5:01 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
My own opinion:
1.-The trip was real
2.-The landing was real
3.-The photos ,videos and even some radio transmissions (?)were faked !!
WHY ?? The Moon was busy and taken by .... !!
It was a cease and desist action !!
[link to perso.wanadoo.es] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 216563
10/21/2007 5:56 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
>>one small detail from the space missions themselves - and this will be a little "out there" for some, I guess - according to researcher Michael Tsarion, which should be known around this forum, there is a form of (occult/supernatural) *barrier* around earth, in effect providing a form of quarantine for the earth, from outer space influence. But also stopping us from going out of it (stopping any biological entities - not machinery). And, incredibly, the functional machinery to operate (or dispel) the barrier, is located on the moon. And, interestingly, the "elites" such as Illuminati, for many reasons, are desperate to have the possibility of leaving earth OPEN to them at any and all times (some disaster in the future they know about?). But they can't do anything to change or dispel the barrier (again, all this according to Tsarion).
Actually, in some ways, the moon missions displayed the subconscious wishes of the elites running this world, to go to the moon, "have complete control," and if they so wished, to remove the barrier at any time (in their dreams). I can not verify this or stand for it as a *certainty* but I do believe Michael Tsarion has a lot of knowledge and has seen him disseminate a lot of impressive facts previously, so it's tempting to believe him. But I would also agree it seems very 'far out' and kind of unbelievable, so it's not a belief I'd defend very eagerly - but just a possibility to consider.
But the ultimate point remains - the moon missions were ultimately an occult and *alchemic* consciousness-changing event, in many ways, a "psy-op" on humanity to change our perceptions of what is possible for mankind - and also to bring multitudes more into materialistic, atheistic, humanistic (=satanic, non-spiritual) ways of thinking - the ways of modern science - and away from superstition and spirit-beliefs. And, as I mentioned, it was a repeat-run of the building of the Tower of Babil, just in another form. By the way, interesting that the United States is the melting pot of all the world today...... JUST like the Tower of Babel once was in the ancient Babylon, for the world at that time.<<
posted by ecolion
book of thoth forum |
| IDW
User ID: 315497
10/21/2007 6:23 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
It makes me suspicious people try to attack Apollo. I mean, come on, a decades-old journey from the early days of the space program? How does that affect anyone today?
Suspicious people might think this is a cheap bit of anti-American propaganda being paid for by overseas interests. Doesn't take much to spread a few scurrilous rumors.
Cuts both ways, IDW. Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 314774
I would love to be able to believe it. I could bring up the fact that my fathers work helped make the mission possible, and things he designed actually landed on the moon with the LEM. Because if Apollo was real, then those proud moments in his memory would be true, and something to have pride in. |
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