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| IDW
User ID: 315829
10/22/2007 9:59 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
By the way, Nomuse, the HIGHER the number when reading resistance, the greater the impeadance. A reading of near ZERO ohms indicates continuity, not a high number. If you got a reading of near zero ohms between the backup battery and the chassis, the computer cannot be operational. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 316058
10/22/2007 10:02 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Not going to check the battery, then?
I have three computers here and the resistance between the negative of the backup battery and the chassis is infinite in all three. There is nothing wrong with any of them. PERHAPS< you dont know how to place the multimeter selector to measure resistance, you dont know how to read it, or you are lying. It is one of the three. Quoting: IDW 315829
I don't know if I'm prepared to believe you. Not enough time has passed to crack the cases on three computers. Nor has anything you have posted in the past give me the impression you are the sort to have multiple computers lying around.
But I can not say for certain. The only thing I am sure of is the test I just performed. In my current desktop computer, the battery is indeed grounded. |
| IDW
User ID: 315829
10/22/2007 10:06 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
By the by, voltages are referenced to ground. Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 316058
If the negative of the voltage you were measuring was connected to the ground, HOW would this be possible?
[quoteNoMuse]
You can have multiple voltages reference a single ground. I've worked with op-amp circuits with +/- 12V supplies referenced to common ground.
(You can also have an isolated "signal ground" that is not connected to chassis ground; some audio gear uses this.)
You are confusing the use of the term "ground" in a dc circuit meaning the negative side of the circuit with an actual ground. The negative side of a dc circuit is not a ground, nor is it earth gorunded, but it is often called a ground by amateurs. The voltage differences you are measuring are actually voltage drops. |
| IDW
User ID: 315829
10/22/2007 10:08 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Not going to check the battery, then?
I have three computers here and the resistance between the negative of the backup battery and the chassis is infinite in all three. There is nothing wrong with any of them. PERHAPS< you dont know how to place the multimeter selector to measure resistance, you dont know how to read it, or you are lying. It is one of the three.
I don't know if I'm prepared to believe you. Not enough time has passed to crack the cases on three computers. Nor has anything you have posted in the past give me the impression you are the sort to have multiple computers lying around.
But I can not say for certain. The only thing I am sure of is the test I just performed. In my current desktop computer, the battery is indeed grounded. Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 316058
Your right, I dont have three computers lying around, i actually have seven. I tested three. ANd no, your cmos battery is not grounded because if it were your computer would not be working, it simply is not possible. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 264194
10/22/2007 10:24 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
that is IDW talk for - i just lost the debate.
you are such a prdictable woo woo.
You two working together against me are like two raccoons tag teaming a grizzly.
Remember, I enjoy this. Theres a reason. Quoting: IDW 315829
hahahahahahah,someone is not only paranoid and uneducated,now your also a bear!! |
| IDW
User ID: 315829
10/22/2007 11:08 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
that is IDW talk for - i just lost the debate.
you are such a prdictable woo woo.
You two working together against me are like two raccoons tag teaming a grizzly.
Remember, I enjoy this. Theres a reason.
hahahahahahah,someone is not only paranoid and uneducated,now your also a bear!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 264194
You have the unmitigated gall to call me uneducated when you don't recognize a simile (or is it a metaphor!).Is that what you wanted to see? Whether I am proficient in the language arts? I can answer that for you and save you some time. NO. A brain is much like a computer in that only so many things can be stored in its memory, priorities need to be established.
LMAO! And then you call me paranoid, yet I exhibit no signs that would indicate I am afraid.
You're really not that bright, are you? Paranoia is the irrational fear of a non existant enemy by most peoples undeerstanding. You really believe youre non existant. |
| IDW
User ID: 315829
10/22/2007 11:12 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
The motherboard of your computer is carefully isolated from the chassis ground. I have a suggestion for you Numuse. Run a lead from the cmos backup batterys' negative terminal to the chassis and then we wont have to listen to you for awhile, anyway. |
| IDW
User ID: 315829
10/22/2007 11:20 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
edit:
Paranoia is the irrational fear of a non existant enemy by most peoples understanding. Do you really believe you're non existant, and that I am afraid of you or what you represent?
Why? |
| IDW
User ID: 315829
10/22/2007 11:44 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
The dumb fucker probably did try it!
NoUse, you should have listened. In fact just attempting to use a multimeter set on OHMS X ? on your motherboard might have fried it if you wernt very careful and COMPETENT. You cant use it just anywhere in that circuit! I found that out the HARD way. |
| IDW
User ID: 315829
10/23/2007 12:48 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Nomuse, that wasnt a government issue computer was it? Are you supposed to be tampering with it?
LMAO!
What a fucking maroon. Whether you like someone personally or not it is illogical to discount what they tell you when you've repeatedly been schooled.
Level of education is frequently measured by years spent achieving that education. The problem with that theory is that some of us can learn more on our own in a much shorter period of time than others can being spoonfed lies for many years. |
| IDW
User ID: 315829
10/23/2007 1:13 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Sorry about that. Took a few minutes to shut down my desktop, pull it out to where I could open it up, check for continuity and put it back in working order again.
Continuity established, battery negative pin to chassis ground, also chassis ground to electrical ground.
Now, I dare you to do the same. Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 316058
I am not as stupid as you are. If there was ANY electrical energy leaking to ground in your home ,apartment or cardboard box , your computers' motherboard would be instantly fried.
Actually, I've got a better idea. Every reader of this thread who hasn't yet been convinced of IDW's ignorance, and who has a continuity tester or volt-ohmeter available, crack the case of their own PC and measure from back-up battery, negative terminal, to metal chassis. Quoting: NoUse
They wont unless they want to take a chance of going silent, like you did. Fucking around with a multimeter set on resistance in a sensitive circuit is unadvisable. I just wanted to do without you awhile,NoUse. I only measured defunct and outdated computers which I have no use for.
Hey, if there are enough takers I'll look into getting a t-shirt design set up at Cafe Press! Quoting: NoUse
What will the t shirts say, "I'm as dumb as Nomuse"? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 276554
10/23/2007 1:41 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
FAKED!
Are you guys still arguing this? |
| IDW
User ID: 315829
10/23/2007 3:21 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
FAKED!
Are you guys still arguing this? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 276554
Nah, we've already stabbed Apollo in the heart and drove the blade to the hilt, I was just twisting it to finish it off. It is really amazing to me to see how ignorant some of these people really are, while they seem so confident they are right. |
| IDW
User ID: 315829
10/23/2007 3:30 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
NoUse, when you get your computer fixed maybe you wont be so arrogant the next time.
Consider it a lesson, and learn from the experience. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 314242
10/23/2007 9:39 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
For that matter, the passing of samples was reciprocal -- as indeed the international geology community had access to both groups of samples, as well as the lunar meteorites first identified a decade later. Funny thing. They all seem to be consistent. Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 315941
Baloney. We have already discussed--several times!--that:
1) NASA's alleged moon rocks are now considered "unrepresentative" to the point of worthlessness. Scientists now say that a single lunar meteorite is more valuable than all 800 pounds of NASA's stuff:
[link to www.cosmosmagazine.com]
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A rare, golf-ball-sized lunar meteorite recently discovered in the snow fields of Antarctica can tell us more about the Moon than samples taken directly from the lunar surface, according to researchers.
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2) NASA cannot tell the difference between moon rocks and earth rocks. At least until recently, NASA continued to insist that tektites are lunar, to the vigorous disagreement of the geological community.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Today, the terrestrial origin of tektites is accepted by many geochemical and isotopic studies (e.g. Faul H.(1966), Koeberl C.(1990)).
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From the 1950s through the 1990s, NASA aerodynamicist Dean R. Chapman and others advanced the "lunar origin" theory of tektites.
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3) NASA itself has hinted at the true terrestrial origin of the alleged moon rocks: They are produced by the explosion of hydrogen bombs.
From the same Wikipedia article:
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O'Keefe [of NASA] suggested explosive, hydrogen-driven lunar volcanoes as the original source of tektites.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 314242
10/23/2007 9:51 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Because they've been given before, over and over. So there is at the least some dishonest debating tactics being employed here. Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 315941
If the repetition of one's own weak arguments and the ignoring of the other side's stronger ones is "dishonest," you need to check your nose length in a mirror, Pinocchio.
And in addition, it's become quite the thing to accuse the entire geology community of being morons. Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 315941
You mean when NASA, for several decades at least (and perhaps still), insisted that tektites were of lunar origin, despite the geology community's vigorous disagreement?
The one advantage that NASA (= the American military) has over the geology community is access to hydrogen bomb sites. To my knowledge, the geology community has not been permitted close, detailed, prolonged access to hydrogen bomb sites in order to examine the characteristics of the rocks produced by such an extraordinarily high-pressure, high-heat process. Much less have geologists been allowed to set up rock formation experiments, in order to see what they can produce in the presence of so much energy.
In contrast, the American military can do all of these. It can not only collect rock samples from hydrogen bomb sites, but also set up experiments in advance, to create rocks with pseudo-lunar characteristics. Since geologists have no access either to H-bomb sites or the moon, they have had no choice but to accept the American military's word as to what came from where.
Until recently, that is. Lunar meteorites now make clear that NASA's alleged moon rocks are bogus--or to avoid the regime's wrath, let us say "unrepresentative." |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 314242
10/23/2007 10:00 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
My father is deceased, so attempting to intimidate him might be beyond your capabilities, extensive though they may be. Quoting: IDW 315829
It is unfortunate that you did not get a video, or at least audio, of your father specifically saying what he thought of NASA's alleged moon landings. That would be powerful evidence, just as E. Howard Hunt's deathbed testimony about the Kennedy assassination is very powerful:
[link to www.rollingstone.com] |
| HAZZARD
User ID: 308422
10/23/2007 10:12 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
This thread has drifted, it seems, out of topic.
Oh well, maybe everything that can be said about the moon hoax claim has been said...
This information has been so debunked. I am amazed that here in almost 2008, stuff that is decades debunked is still being passed around, Oh well.... I guess some stuff on the net just dont die, they keep hoping some new sucker will come along and go, "OMG!! This has to be real...." - No it doesnt, just use a little analytical thinking, a little criticle thinking, even a tad bit of common sense, many times that will do just fine to get to the truth.
Sooner or later someone will post one of those old claims again, you just watch. To them Id like to say...And while youre at it, clearly indicate the empirical evidence that can show to illustrate that they can in some way prove what they say....It sure hasnt happend yet.
Some of the HBs believe they have proof of a hoax...in their own minds they do...in reality they dont.
Whose responsibility is it to prove that the moon landings were real?
There is a widely-held belief that it is NASAs responsibility to prove the conspiracy theorists wrong in order to prove the moon landings were real.
There is a principle which states. The person proposing a theory has the burden of proof.
To paraphrase a common catch cry of hoax theory supporters. "Despite all the evidence, we dont believe the landings were real.
We have proposed our own theory. Unless you prove that we are wrong then we must be right." 0You cannot assume you are right just because someone else has failed to prove you are wrong. Logic dictates that this is not the case.
*Did I just write hoax believers and logig in the same sentence...!? |
| HAZZARD
User ID: 308422
10/23/2007 10:14 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
*Did I just write hoax believers and logic in the same sentence...!? |
| HAZZARD
User ID: 308422
10/23/2007 1:12 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Level of education is frequently measured by years spent achieving that education. The problem with that theory is that some of us can learn more on our own in a much shorter period of time than others can being spoonfed lies for many years. Quoting: IDW 315829
I knew it!!
Most Woo Woos exhibit a lack of academic achievement, in which case they typically assert that academic training in the subject of their crank belief is not only unnecessary for discovering "the truth", but actively harmful because they believe it "poisons" the minds by teaching falsehoods.(!) IDW just said so himself.
Being able to write in your first language does not make you as smart as you think, most people can do that... Tell me, how many other of these do you believe in....Ghosts...Face on Mars...Aliens on Earth, EVP...ESP..Chemtrails..!??
Thats right people, these guys NEVER believe in just one of these.
Also typical with these pseudo-self taught "experts" is that there seems to be some confusion about what constitutes "scientific proof" verses "personal proof".
The standards for what I call proof in science is very different from saying you (personally) have seen enough evidence to prove something is valid. I just doesnt hold water in the scientific community, never has and never will, and rightfully so.
Soo, were do people like this come from and why do they behave like this...??
Could it be that most of these hoax stories are created and believed by people who have never accomplished anything (that they feel is important) in their lives, and want to comfort themselves by believing that they now, finally, has one up on the, government, scientists, NASA, military, etc...
I think that most people are able to deal with fears and accept them as part of life...
But for others, this burden might be too great.
As a result, they chose to ignore the real fears and instead create massive new things to be concerned about.
Enter the conspiracies:
The government isnt a benign entity born of social contract, its a vast, fanged beast with the most evil of agendas.
Is simply more comforting to believe that either their evidence is better, or those disproving their claims are in on the conspiracy.
Thus, the elaborate explanation of a simple event occupies the part of their minds that would otherwise be flooded with insecurities about everyday life.
And while true astronomers, biologists, structural engineers, metallurgists, avionics experts and other scientists, world wide, just blow them off as ignorant fools they still truly belive in their hearts that they are right and everyone else is wrong.
How this can make sense to anyone is beyond me. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 276554
10/23/2007 1:19 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Hazzard, no one listens to your rambling BS.
Your reputation precedes you on every subject. |
| IDW
User ID: 316305
10/23/2007 1:51 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
My father is deceased, so attempting to intimidate him might be beyond your capabilities, extensive though they may be.
It is unfortunate that you did not get a video, or at least audio, of your father specifically saying what he thought of NASA's alleged moon landings. That would be powerful evidence, just as E. Howard Hunt's deathbed testimony about the Kennedy assassination is very powerful:
[ link to www.rollingstone.com]
My book will be dedicated to my fathers memory.
I do not intend to ener into evidence his claims, because as was accurately pointed out it was hearsay. My father would have never allowed himself to be taped or filmed saying this, he was afraid of the reprocussions.
He didnt even allow us to have microphones for our cassette recorders when we were boys, because he thought we might record something he said about his work, He wasnt paranoid, just aware of widespread intellectual theft and corporate espionage. |
| IDW
User ID: 316305
10/23/2007 1:57 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Level of education is frequently measured by years spent achieving that education. The problem with that theory is that some of us can learn more on our own in a much shorter period of time than others can being spoonfed lies for many years.
I knew it!!
Most Woo Woos exhibit a lack of academic achievement, in which case they typically assert that academic training in the subject of their crank belief is not only unnecessary for discovering "the truth", but actively harmful because they believe it "poisons" the minds by teaching falsehoods.(!) IDW just said so himself. Quoting: HAZZARD 308422
The problem with your soliloque is that I was at the top of my class all through my academic career,to the disdain of many just like yourself, achieving a 3.9 gpa in my major . I also occupy the top tenth of the 99th percentile, intelligence wise.
The fact is I am more educated in the sciences than anyone here who represents your cause. Because I atribute most of my knowledge to self edcuation is irrelevant. The most susccesful and innovative people in history discarded conventional thinking as well. |
| IDW
User ID: 316305
10/23/2007 1:57 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Level of education is frequently measured by years spent achieving that education. The problem with that theory is that some of us can learn more on our own in a much shorter period of time than others can being spoonfed lies for many years.
I knew it!!
Most Woo Woos exhibit a lack of academic achievement, in which case they typically assert that academic training in the subject of their crank belief is not only unnecessary for discovering "the truth", but actively harmful because they believe it "poisons" the minds by teaching falsehoods.(!) IDW just said so himself. Quoting: HAZZARD 308422
The problem with your soliloque is that I was at the top of my class all through my academic career,to the disdain of many just like yourself, achieving a 3.9 gpa in my major . I also occupy the top tenth of the 99th percentile, intelligence wise.
The fact is I am more educated in the sciences than anyone here who represents your cause. Because I atribute most of my knowledge to self edcuation is irrelevant. The most susccesful and innovative people in history discarded conventional thinking as well. |
| IDW
User ID: 316305
10/23/2007 2:21 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Oh well, maybe everything that can be said about the moon hoax claim has been said...
This information has been so debunked. Quoting: HAZZARD 308422
You have never 'debunked' a single one of my disqualifications, not even close. NASA consistently balks..
You are confused as to what a debunker is, as well. I am a debunker. I am debunking a hoax. You are shilling one. A debunker trys to disprove a hoax. Are you claiming I am hoaxing my believe that Apollo was a hoax?
My belief is based on real science. Thats why you cant argue against it. |
| IDW
User ID: 316305
10/23/2007 2:26 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Hazzard, no one listens to your rambling BS.
Your reputation precedes you on every subject. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 276554
Hazzard, like his asslick Nomuse both ramble on about what they think are relevant arguements, but a review of this thread will show they are both consistenly wrong about everything. You could completely ignore everything they said and nothing would be lost.
In a debate like this, quality is more important that quantity. Sometimes I think they must get paid pro bono. |
| HAZZARD
User ID: 308422
10/23/2007 3:17 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Hazzard, no one listens to your rambling BS.
Your reputation precedes you on every subject.
Hazzard, like his asslick Nomuse both ramble on about what they think are relevant arguements, but a review of this thread will show they are both consistenly wrong about everything. You could completely ignore everything they said and nothing would be lost.
In a debate like this, quality is more important that quantity. Sometimes I think they must get paid pro bono. Quoting: IDW 316305
Those of us that realise that charlatans are making money from conning people into believing that Apollo was fake care that these lies and dis-information do not spread to more gullible people, if there are such people more gullible then IDW.
Those who believe (totally wrongly) that Apollo was faked care because they think that most of the World is being lied to. They believe that it is symptomatic of corrupt government.
Your point of view is based upon no facts.
Youre sitting there arguing against emprical evidence of well understood phenomenon, thats a weak position to take.
If you have something to contribute then please do so, if not, just keep doing what you have done so far, the ad hominem nonsense, its doing wonders for your case.
If you dont like the discussion, theres no reason for you to be here interjecting silliness into the thread.
You know, switch the channel...youre responsibility...youre like people who moan and wail about the quality of TV, and who do so while holding the remote control in their hand.
Why all this crying, shit throwing and moaning!
Finding out the real truth doesnt require such measures. Its simply a matter of education and knowledge.
Give it a try, go to school, learning is fun.... |
| nomuse
User ID: 316345
10/23/2007 3:36 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Forum glitched. My computer is fine. I've worked on computers before and know enough not to be stupid.
Heck, I even got a handful of posts to this thread after doing it -- enough for IDW to act in character and simply accuse me of lying about it (yeah; big surprise there.)
Since the point was to look for a back-up battery in a piece of electronic equipment that was connected to ground, I cracked the case on a four-hundred-dollar module. And took a photograph of the results.
[link to img88.imageshack.us]
Imagine my annoyance when Godlike Productions took that moment to temporarily ban my IP from responding!
I imagine IDW will impeach this as well. Since the contacts on the button battery are on the back side of the board I could not frame a single photograph that showed battery and the location of the probes. I also can't prove I didn't photoshop the display or the whole image. I can't even prove I took the picture!
But if IDW had a shred of decency or self-respect he'd admit that I had done the test as described -- and stop calling everyone he meets a (expletive) liar. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 262563
10/23/2007 3:39 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
The problem with your soliloque is that I was at the top of my class all through my academic career,to the disdain of many just like yourself, achieving a 3.9 gpa in my major . I also occupy the top tenth of the 99th percentile, intelligence wise.
The fact is I am more educated in the sciences than anyone here who represents your cause. Because I atribute most of my knowledge to self edcuation is irrelevant. The most susccesful and innovative people in history discarded conventional thinking as well. Quoting: IDW 316305
And what do you do with this vaunted super intellect but go pointlessly debate on a Conspiracy webboard rather than actually challenge yourself in any REAL arena.
That's the pathetic loser that you are, IDW. |
| IDW
User ID: 316305
10/23/2007 3:43 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Those of us that realise that charlatans are making money from conning people into believing that Apollo was fake care that these lies and dis-information do not spread to more gullible people, if there are such people more gullible then IDW. Quoting: HAZZARD 308422
I am the least gulible person you have ever engaged. I am skeptical about everything I am told and most of what I am shown. I have learned to recognize a bullshit story when I see it. Furthermore, I have no intentions of making money from my book, it will be available free of charge , with donations accepted going towards further research .
Those who believe (totally wrongly) that Apollo was faked care because they think that most of the World is being lied to. They believe that it is symptomatic of corrupt government.
Your point of view is based upon no facts.
Youre sitting there arguing against emprical evidence of well understood phenomenon, thats a weak position to take. Quoting: Haazard
If that were true I would be here. All of the empiracle and incontrovertable evidence indicates APollo was indeed a fraud.
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