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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 262563
10/24/2007 7:18 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
The fudgepacker one really bothered you, didnt it?
LMAO!! Quoting: IDW 316817
And how I predicted THAT would be the line you'd focus in on, carefully avoiding all the terribly ironic statements you continue to make and personify!
LOL! For a supra-intellect you sure are predictable. |
| IDW
User ID: 316817
10/24/2007 7:21 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Jay and Phil might not be fudgepackers, but iMHO they are most likely homosexuals.
In science we base conclusions on physical evidence.
In life we based them on instinct and intuition, as well as evidence. I havent photgraphed phil mounting another man, so I dont have evidence, but I am so convinced I am right I am willing to take the chance of being wrong, and called a liar. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, its a duck. |
| nomuse
User ID: 316856
10/24/2007 7:21 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Nomuse, what you actually did is damage the motherboard on your computer doing something stupid that I knew in advance would do so, and make a lame excuse of how youd been banned to explain your absence after you did. I told you point blank what happened, and why. Quoting: IDW 316817
You made a not-unreasonable guess (at least, not unreasonable given your own peculiar ideas about basic electronics).
Unfortunately I'm not about to give you the names of people who could verify I'm using the same computer, and that it is far from damaged. Why? Because it wouldn't do any good. You'd call them all liars too. The same would go for forums, ISP's, mail servers, and others that logged my continuing activity over the period you claimed my computer was dead -- and the places that are capable of reading my MAC number and assuring that it remains unchanged.
How many times can you be wrong in one post? You "knew" I was going to lie about doing the test, then you "knew" I was going to do it wrong. Now you both "know" I blew up my computer, and "know" I'm lying about doing it at all.
How many different ways are you going to have it?
Oh, yes, and a little bit of experimenting was all that was necessary to find out why the forum blocked me. I'm tempted to show you how to achieve the same end (it has to do with a particular content in a post, detected by forum software). However, you'd be sure to blow it into some huge conspiracy spear-headed by the NSA and aimed only at inconveniencing the mighty IDW.
I don't much pretend you'll learn anything from this post, however. On the other hand, the three people at GLP who haven't figured out what a blowhard you are, might find this last exchange informative. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 262563
10/24/2007 7:22 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I would never run such a test, and have never claimed I would. SO how does this prove anything about my honesty? Quoting: IDW 316817
And BEHOLD: IDW personified.
IDW has SAID it. THEREFORE it is SO!
TEST my idea? Don't be silly! It is MY idea, THEREFORE it is SO!
PROVE anything? REPEATABILITY? REPRODUCIBILITY? Bah! Those are merely for those of limited intellect, who can't see that the idea is MINE, THEREFORE it is SO!
Like the Windows Calculator again! I LOVE that one from 74444. It's example makes your actions and reactions so utterly clear. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 316817
10/24/2007 7:24 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
The fudgepacker one really bothered you, didnt it?
LMAO!!
And how I predicted THAT would be the line you'd focus in on, carefully avoiding all the terribly ironic statements you continue to make and personify!
LOL! For a supra-intellect you sure are predictable. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 262563
Yes, like a high quality computer with equally high quality programming. The same conclusion should be reached consistenly when the same problem is presented.
As for the fudgepacker comment, dont get me started. When a guy acts like a faggot, he ususally is. |
| IDW
User ID: 316817
10/24/2007 7:26 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Nomuse, what you actually did is damage the motherboard on your computer doing something stupid that I knew in advance would do so, and make a lame excuse of how youd been banned to explain your absence after you did. I told you point blank what happened, and why.
You made a not-unreasonable guess (at least, not unreasonable given your own peculiar ideas about basic electronics).
Unfortunately I'm not about to give you the names of people who could verify I'm using the same computer, and that it is far from damaged. Why? Because it wouldn't do any good. You'd call them all liars too. The same would go for forums, ISP's, mail servers, and others that logged my continuing activity over the period you claimed my computer was dead -- and the places that are capable of reading my MAC number and assuring that it remains unchanged.
How many times can you be wrong in one post? You "knew" I was going to lie about doing the test, then you "knew" I was going to do it wrong. Now you both "know" I blew up my computer, and "know" I'm lying about doing it at all.
How many different ways are you going to have it?
Oh, yes, and a little bit of experimenting was all that was necessary to find out why the forum blocked me. I'm tempted to show you how to achieve the same end (it has to do with a particular content in a post, detected by forum software). However, you'd be sure to blow it into some huge conspiracy spear-headed by the NSA and aimed only at inconveniencing the mighty IDW.
I don't much pretend you'll learn anything from this post, however. On the other hand, the three people at GLP who haven't figured out what a blowhard you are, might find this last exchange informative. Quoting: nomuse 316856
Youre unwilling to give your own name. WHy is that? My name is known to you. The fact is you do not wish to be held accountable for what you have said, and conciel your identity. |
| IDW
User ID: 316817
10/24/2007 7:29 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I would never run such a test, and have never claimed I would. SO how does this prove anything about my honesty?
And BEHOLD: IDW personified.
IDW has SAID it. THEREFORE it is SO!
TEST my idea? Don't be silly! It is MY idea, THEREFORE it is SO!
PROVE anything? REPEATABILITY? REPRODUCIBILITY? Bah! Those are merely for those of limited intellect, who can't see that the idea is MINE, THEREFORE it is SO!
Like the Windows Calculator again! I LOVE that one from 74444. It's example makes your actions and reactions so utterly clear. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 262563
Yeah, that was BIG victory. You proved I didnt know I had a scientific calculator on my computer! I probably have a whole hell of alot of other things on it I dont know about, and I bet you do too!
What does that prove, again? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 88145
10/24/2007 7:30 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Facts dont matter. Quoting: IDW 316817
You said it, not us. Clearly, your universe is not the same as the rest of ours.
BTW, how about that motherboard? |
| IDW
User ID: 316817
10/24/2007 7:34 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Facts dont matter.
You said it, not us. Clearly, your universe is not the same as the rest of ours.
BTW, how about that motherboard? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 88145
Intentionally taking a statement out of context is the same as lying. What does that make you? When I said "facts dont matter' I was CLEARLY refering to your side of the debate at the time.
SO I have again proved you are a liar through your own willfull actions. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 88145
10/24/2007 7:36 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
You proved I didnt know I had a scientific calculator on my computer! I probably have a whole hell of alot of other things on it I dont know about, Quoting: IDW 316817
Like a grounded motherboard to start with! |
| IDW
User ID: 316817
10/24/2007 7:36 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Facts dont matter.
You said it, not us. Clearly, your universe is not the same as the rest of ours.
BTW, how about that motherboard? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 88145
I tell you what, fucktard, you take a lead and run it from th negative terminal of the cmos battery to the shell of your computer, and get back with me when you get it fixed. |
| IDW
User ID: 316817
10/24/2007 7:38 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
You proved I didnt know I had a scientific calculator on my computer! I probably have a whole hell of alot of other things on it I dont know about,
Like a grounded motherboard to start with! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 88145
Youve had three days to porve a motherboard is earth grounded. If it was, that information would be available in plain text, somewhere on the internet. Yet all of the realinformation states that grounding must be carefully avoided. |
| nomuse
User ID: 316856
10/24/2007 7:45 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I have three computers here and the resistance between the negative of the backup battery and the chassis is infinite in all three. There is nothing wrong with any of them. PERHAPS< you dont know how to place the multimeter selector to measure resistance, you dont know how to read it, or you are lying. It is one of the three. Quoting: IDW 315829
Your right, I dont have three computers lying around, i actually have seven. I tested three. ANd no, your cmos battery is not grounded because if it were your computer would not be working, it simply is not possible. Quoting: IDW 315829
I would never run such a test, and have never claimed I would. SO how does this prove anything about my honesty? Quoting: IDW 316817
The proof is excellent, and thank you for providing it. |
| nomuse
User ID: 316856
10/24/2007 7:50 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Screws are inserted through the openings in the chassis and into the openings that are provided in the motherboard for this purpose. The mounting holes on the motherboard are often surrounded by a grounding pad. The grounding pad is a conductive surface that is used as an electrical ground for the motherboard
[link to www.electronics-manufacturers.com]
Boy, that was hard to find! |
| nomuse
User ID: 316856
10/24/2007 7:54 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
7444, care to post a link to the new list?
I want to see if;
"IDW knows a radium-dial wristwatch is a nuclear reactor,"
"IDW knows no rocket ever made a controlled descent before 1969 (if you redefine the Bell Rocket Belt as "not really a rocket,")"
and,
"IDW knows the motherboard is never grounded on a personal computer, and to do so would destroy it instantly,"
are on it! |
| nomuse
User ID: 316856
10/24/2007 7:56 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I'd also like to know if;
"IDW knows that hundreds of people die every year due to lightening passing through the protective grounds inside their own homes. This, despite the fact that less than 20 of the yearly fatalities even occur indoors,"
is going to make it (suitably edited, of course). |
| w
User ID: 316817
10/24/2007 7:56 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
LOW VOLTAGE DC CIRCUITS ARE NOT TYPICALLY EARTH GROUNDED, BECAUSE THERE IS NO DANGER OF ELECTRIC SHOCK.A COMPUTER HAS A GROUND PRONG [i}]ONLY BECAUSE THE AC INPUT TO THE POWER SUPPLY IS HIGH ENOUGH TO CAUSE ELECTRICAL SHOCK.
TRANSMITTERS ARE ONE EXCEPTION, BUT WILL FUNCTION WITHOUT AN EARTH GROUND ANYWAY IF ATTACHED TO A LARGE ENOUGH GROUND PLANE.
A COMPUTER MOTHERBOARD IS A HIGHLY SENSITIVE DC CIRCUITTHAT WOULD NEVER BE CONNECTED TO EARTH GROUND THROUGH THE COMMON, BECAUSE DOING SO WOULD DAMAGE THE SENSITIVE CIRCUITY BY ALLOWING AN UNINTENED FLOW PATH TO EXIST IN THE CASE OF HOUSEHOLD SHORT OR LIGHTNING STRIKE TO THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE DC CIRCUIT IS MOST CAREFULY ISOLATED, AND ANY TRUE EARTH GROUND PATHS THAT EXIST THROUGH THE CIRCUITBOARD CANNOT ACTUALLY BE CONNECTED TO THE DC CIRCUITRY.MY PERSONAL EXAMINATION OF A MOTHERBOARD CONCLUDES THAT THE ACTUAL DC CIRCUIT IS ISOLATED FROM EARTH GROUND VERY CAREFULLY. THERE IS AN EARTH GROUND PATH RUNNING THROUGH THE CIRCUIT THAT IS NOT INTERCONNECTED TO THE DC CIRCUIT, THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO PREVENT ELECTRIC SHOCK IN THE CASE OF THE POWER SUPPLY INPUT VOLTAGE REACHING THE MOTHERBOARDS CIRCUITRY UNINTENDEDLY. |
| IDW
User ID: 316817
10/24/2007 8:00 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
In other words, nomuse, youre wrong again. The cmos battery is not grounded. The earth ground path through the motherboard is there only to disapate 120vac should it reach the motherboard, and has no other purpose or interconnection to the actual dc circuit. |
| nomuse
User ID: 316856
10/24/2007 8:02 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
In other words, you'll lie boldly then ignore clear documentation that you did so. |
| IDW
User ID: 316817
10/24/2007 8:03 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I can just imagine people with laptops running around driving a rod into the ground to get thier computers to function! |
| IDW
User ID: 316817
10/24/2007 8:08 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
In other words, you'll lie boldly then ignore clear documentation that you did so. Quoting: nomuse 316856
My motherboard on my presario, the one I already have dissasembled, uses two metal spacers, one on each corner of the motherboard. The motherboard has a copper pad where the metal spacer makes contact with it. Carefully examining the circuitboard under light magnification reveals this circuit is independant of the motherboards dc circuitry, and does not connect with it at any point. The obvious reason for it is to prevent electrical shock should ac accidently reach the motherbaord through a malfunction. it is not neccessary to the operation of a computer that a motherboard be earth grounded, thats rediculous.There is nole reason why and earth ground path exists at all in the motherboard. There is no actual link between it and the dc circuit. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 88145
10/24/2007 8:08 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
You proved I didnt know I had a scientific calculator on my computer! I probably have a whole hell of alot of other things on it I dont know about,
Like a grounded motherboard to start with!
Youve had three days to porve a motherboard is earth grounded. If it was, that information would be available in plain text, somewhere on the internet. Yet all of the realinformation states that grounding must be carefully avoided. Quoting: IDW 316817
How's this...here's a paper from Intel themselves suggesting various methods of grounding PC motherboards...
www.formfactors.org/developer%5Cspecs%5Cnlxclip.pdf
From the book "PC Hardware in a Nutshell"
[link to books.google.com]
"Make sure to install a mounting secrew in every position. In addition to securing the motherboard physically, these screws also ground the motherboard to the chassis. These positions are carefully calculated by motherboard designers with grounding in mind. Leaving one or more screw positions vacant can cause improper grounding, which may cause instability or high RFI emissions."
This article talks about how the PC power supplies are grounded and the voltages are referenced to chassis ground.
[link to home.sprynet.com]
From Electronic Manufacturers information page:
[link to www.electronics-manufacturers.com]
"The mounting holes on the motherboard are often surrounded by a grounding pad. The grounding pad is a conductive surface that is used as an electrical ground for the motherboard."
Do you need any more references? Do you still claim that a motherboard isn't grounded? |
| nomuse
User ID: 316856
10/24/2007 8:09 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Think, for once in your life. What happens if a hot lead comes loose inside the case? If it were to contact the ground plane of the motherboard then every peripheral connected to the computer, from mouse to headphones, would become a shock hazard.
Unless, of course, that ground plane is a common ground.
Also, think what happens in dry weather, a dusty computer with a fan spinning along inside the case. Static charges build up inside. Suddenly one leaps across a gate in a CMOS circuit, destroying it!
Unless, of course, there is a near-infinite sink provided for static charge to drain into. Such as the ground plane on each circuit board, which in turn is tied to earth.
Can you make a circuit safely without earthing it? Can you prevent static build-up without earth ground? Does an ipod work? Well, duh!
Earthing is there, it works, it protects from AC, and the only downside is the ground planes function as antenna for external RF. Which can be squashed somewhat by "islanding" the ground planes -- check out any introductory material on laying out a PCB and you'll see discussion of that. |
| nomuse
User ID: 316856
10/24/2007 8:13 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
My motherboard on my presario, the one I already have dissasembled, uses two metal spacers, one on each corner of the motherboard. The motherboard has a copper pad where the metal spacer makes contact with it. Carefully examining the circuitboard under light magnification reveals this circuit is independant of the motherboards dc circuitry, and does not connect with it at any point. The obvious reason for it is to prevent electrical shock should ac accidently reach the motherbaord through a malfunction. it is not neccessary to the operation of a computer that a motherboard be earth grounded, thats rediculous.There is nole reason why and earth ground path exists at all in the motherboard. There is no actual link between it and the dc circuit. Quoting: IDW 316817
So which time were you lying?
The time you claimed to have taken apart three computers to test them?
Or the time you said you never did the test and never would do the test?
Or now, when you claim to be doing it to your Presario (would that be the desktop or the notebook?) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 88145
10/24/2007 8:15 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
"A COMPUTER MOTHERBOARD IS A HIGHLY SENSITIVE DC CIRCUITTHAT WOULD NEVER BE CONNECTED TO EARTH GROUND THROUGH THE COMMON, BECAUSE DOING SO WOULD DAMAGE THE SENSITIVE CIRCUITY BY ALLOWING AN UNINTENED FLOW PATH TO EXIST IN THE CASE OF HOUSEHOLD SHORT OR LIGHTNING STRIKE TO THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE DC CIRCUIT IS MOST CAREFULY ISOLATED, AND ANY TRUE EARTH GROUND PATHS THAT EXIST THROUGH THE CIRCUITBOARD CANNOT ACTUALLY BE CONNECTED TO THE DC CIRCUITRY"
Oops...IDW proven dead wrong yet again! |
| nomuse
User ID: 316856
10/24/2007 8:17 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
And proven a direct liar.
He claimed to have tested three computers.
Pages later he insisted that not only hadn't he done so, he would never do so. |
| IDW
User ID: 316817
10/24/2007 8:19 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I'd also like to know if;
"IDW knows that hundreds of people die every year due to lightening passing through the protective grounds inside their own homes. Quoting: nomuse 316856
Stop right there and youre being honest about what I said. Keep in mind, I said PEOPLE, and africans and autralians are people too, though some might not agree! Now so long as you take it like I said it, I have no trouble with it being attributed to me. Almost all household lightning deaths occur because of contact with an earth grounded object.
This, despite the fact that less than 20 of the yearly fatalities even occur indoors,"
is going to make it (suitably edited, of course). Quoting: Nomuse
The problem is, those are your words. They might be true, but I didnt say them. 20% are killed indoors worldwide we can assume , how many of them were in contact with a ground?
Hundreds? Maybe a few thousand even? There are 6 billion people in this world, not 300,000million, DO the math. |
| IDW
User ID: 316817
10/24/2007 8:22 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
And proven a direct liar.
He claimed to have tested three computers.
Pages later he insisted that not only hadn't he done so, he would never do so. Quoting: nomuse 316856
I said I tested three computers, and I did. I tested them to see if they would come on!
LMAO! You were had. I knew you were so arrogant you would jump to the conclusion you did and test your own, believing I had done so. If you want to call it a lie, go ahead, but I just took advantage of the fact that you are not too bright and dont pay close attention to detail. |
| idw
User ID: 316817
10/24/2007 8:23 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I'd also like to know if;
"IDW knows that hundreds of people die every year due to lightening passing through the protective grounds inside their own homes.
Stop right there and youre being honest about what I said. Keep in mind, I said PEOPLE, and africans and autralians are people too, though some might not agree! Now so long as you take it like I said it, I have no trouble with it being attributed to me. Almost all household lightning deaths occur because of contact with an earth grounded object.
This, despite the fact that less than 20 of the yearly fatalities even occur indoors,"
is going to make it (suitably edited, of course).
The problem is, those are your words. They might be true, but I didnt say them. 20% are killed indoors worldwide we can assume , how many of them were in contact with a ground?
Hundreds? Maybe a few thousand even? There are 6 billion people in this world, not 300,000million, DO the math. Quoting: IDW 316817
typo, 300 million |
| nomuse
User ID: 316856
10/24/2007 8:25 PM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Oh, look, a page on grounding a home solar power system....including tying negative battery lead to earth ground.
[link to www.wholesalesolar.com] |
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