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| nomuse
User ID: 316856
10/25/2007 3:12 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
... you're NOW suddenly equivocating? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444
Who's there, in the other devil's name? Faith, here's an equivocator, that could swear in both the scales against either scale, who committed treason enough for God's sake, yet could not equivocate to heaven. O, come in, equivocator.
Sorry! :) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 317105
10/25/2007 3:17 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Reproduce the event, or it remains BS. |
| nomuse
User ID: 316856
10/25/2007 3:18 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Nomuse, Kontiki was a redoing of a theorized journey of the past that archaeologists have confirmed took place. It WAS a reproduction.Thor whats his mane, I read the book, flying fish and glowing water and all. Quoting: IDW 316817
Cool book, isn't it?
I think the most stunning thing he mentions, though, is that there was no part of the ocean so remote that they didn't see evidence of mankind in the form of....pollution.
Still doesn't change the problem of the non-reproducible claim. We don't have any early South Seas islanders around today, and last I heard no-one has been idiot enough to take a balsa-wood raft out with primitive navigational equipment since.
What the early islanders may or may not have done is up for debate.
What Thor Heyerdahl did, we have (by this strange definition of "reproducibility") no evidence for. Show me a bearded man on a balsa-wood raft, on the ocean, TODAY, and we'll have a piece of evidence to this same strange standard. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 316817
10/25/2007 3:20 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
The Pope is not your ally, and niether is the banker or the president, they all have thier own false realities to protect.
Our the continuation of our existance is dependant on caring for each other nomatter what color we are , religion we practice or beliefs we hold dear. We have been judged, and found lacking. There are forces at work that I cannot explain, I just know they are protecting and preserving me, working not to bring down humanity, but to preserve the best of it. If I fail we all lose.
This may sound like the ravings of a madman, and I agree, on the face of it it might seem so. But tread carefully in the waters of such an accusation.
I was born knowing more than any of you will ever know. |
| nomuse
User ID: 316856
10/25/2007 3:21 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Reproduce the event, or it remains BS. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 317105
Broken record much? Better get out your dogsleds. According to you neither Scott NOR Amundsen made it to the South Pole.
(I'm sure you'd get a great response if you chanted that in Borge, Norway. Or at Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station!) |
| nomuse
User ID: 316856
10/25/2007 3:23 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
The Pope is not your ally, and niether is the banker or the president, they all have thier own false realities to protect.
Our the continuation of our existance is dependant on caring for each other nomatter what color we are , religion we practice or beliefs we hold dear. We have been judged, and found lacking. There are forces at work that I cannot explain, I just know they are protecting and preserving me, working not to bring down humanity, but to preserve the best of it. If I fail we all lose.
This may sound like the ravings of a madman, and I agree, on the face of it it might seem so. But tread carefully in the waters of such an accusation.
I was born knowing more than any of you will ever know. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 316817
I am so tempted to make a Merlin crack. But I'm being nice.
Maybe because I'm not a papist. Or those other guys, either! (I'm a proud Pastafarian, let me hear Ramen! Ahrrr!) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 74444
10/25/2007 3:25 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
The Pope is not your ally, and niether is the banker or the president, they all have thier own false realities to protect.
Our the continuation of our existance is dependant on caring for each other nomatter what color we are , religion we practice or beliefs we hold dear. We have been judged, and found lacking. There are forces at work that I cannot explain, I just know they are protecting and preserving me, working not to bring down humanity, but to preserve the best of it. If I fail we all lose.
This may sound like the ravings of a madman, and I agree, on the face of it it might seem so. But tread carefully in the waters of such an accusation.
I was born knowing more than any of you will ever know. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 316817
Wow. IDW. IS. Morpheus.
And, yeah, IDW -- they DO sound like the rantings of a madman. But so much of your stuff does -- and you are SO illiterate when it comes to the scientific method, or logical argument, and have SUCH a difficult time changing your mind, that I highly doubt you can come up with a convincing case.
That said -- if you slowly, logically, politely, completely, and in tiny, tiny steps, carefully lay out your train of thought, I'll look at it. But be prepared for me (and others) to, as usual, point out your several missteps. |
| nomuse
User ID: 316856
10/25/2007 3:29 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
BTW -- you are at the BAUT, 7444? Or the other place of which we dare not speak the name? (No, not Randi's -- the Apollo one!)
Some day I may get in trouble for using the same moniker across the web. But I just don't feel like being a coward. Even somewhere like here. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 317105
10/25/2007 3:30 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Reproduce the event, or it remains BS.
Broken record much? Better get out your dogsleds. According to you neither Scott NOR Amundsen made it to the South Pole.
(I'm sure you'd get a great response if you chanted that in Borge, Norway. Or at Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station!) Quoting: nomuse 316856
Ive made no claims about Amundsen or Kitty Hawk, so irrelevant.
Reproduce the event, or it remains BS. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 316817
10/25/2007 3:31 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
The Pope is not your ally, and niether is the banker or the president, they all have thier own false realities to protect.
Our the continuation of our existance is dependant on caring for each other nomatter what color we are , religion we practice or beliefs we hold dear. We have been judged, and found lacking. There are forces at work that I cannot explain, I just know they are protecting and preserving me, working not to bring down humanity, but to preserve the best of it. If I fail we all lose.
This may sound like the ravings of a madman, and I agree, on the face of it it might seem so. But tread carefully in the waters of such an accusation.
I was born knowing more than any of you will ever know.
I am so tempted to make a Merlin crack. But I'm being nice.
Maybe because I'm not a papist. Or those other guys, either! (I'm a proud Pastafarian, let me hear Ramen! Ahrrr!) Quoting: nomuse 316856
I dont ever get in an arguement about religion, because no one can argue with my religious beliefs. I have none. Religion is a tool of control, a distortion of reality imposed upon the human race.
Now on the subject of spirituality I do have an opinion and a belief system. Your conscience is there to guide you, let it and you can do no wrong. The conscience is driven out of our minds by indoctrinations intended to do just that. Ask yourself, can it ever be right to bomb a village? To lie for personal gain? To deny anothers right to exist?
How did you ever believe it? |
| nomuse
User ID: 316856
10/25/2007 3:33 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Wow. IDW. IS. Morpheus. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444
"That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth."
"What truth?"
"There is no electron." |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 74444
10/25/2007 3:34 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
BTW -- you are at the BAUT, 7444? Or the other place of which we dare not speak the name? (No, not Randi's -- the Apollo one!) Quoting: nomuse 316856
Nope. I'm pretty much just here.
Some day I may get in trouble for using the same moniker across the web. But I just don't feel like being a coward. Even somewhere like here. Quoting: nomuse 316856
Thou art braver than I. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 74444
10/25/2007 3:35 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Wow. IDW. IS. Morpheus.
"That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth."
"What truth?"
"There is no electron." Quoting: nomuse 316856
Okay.
Just.
Died.
Laughing. |
| nomuse
User ID: 316856
10/25/2007 3:36 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Ive made no claims about Amundsen or Kitty Hawk, so irrelevant.
Reproduce the event, or it remains BS. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 317105
Au contraire. You have picked out one particular event from history to hold to a double standard.
Why? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 316817
10/25/2007 3:38 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Wow. IDW. IS. Morpheus. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444
And how did this film effect your opinion of me?
DO you think I believe we live in a computer simulation? Do you believe that I cant effect our reality on a singular basis? DO you deny the possibility a person can be born knowing more than you ever will?
DO you regularly partake of the entertrainment that hollywood pushes? DO you think that just maybe it is a method of brainwashing?
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| nomuse
User ID: 316856
10/25/2007 3:42 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Nope. I'm pretty much just here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444
BAUT's been quiet since they kicked the 9-11'ers off. Still a great place to chat observational astronomy, the physics of Doctor Who (there IS such a thing?) and so on.
I think you'd enjoy ApolloHoax, as quiet as it's been of late. Great bunch of guys, both practicing space sciences people and the rest of us. Here one doesn't even get the the end of the beginning before the conversation runs off in some other direction. There, you can really get into some meaty stuff about space sciences -- and lots of other things.
Snicker -- really want to hide your email but still post it here? Put it an algebriac form that has to be solved, or code it up in c (broken among numerous variable of course, with integer-to-ascii conversion), or... |
| nomuse
User ID: 316856
10/25/2007 3:45 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
And how did this film effect your opinion of me?
DO you think I believe we live in a computer simulation? Do you believe that I cant effect our reality on a singular basis? DO you deny the possibility a person can be born knowing more than you ever will?
DO you regularly partake of the entertrainment that hollywood pushes? DO you think that just maybe it is a method of brainwashing? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 316817
Oddly enough, I've never seen it.
Phillip Glass and that sort of thing, remember? |
| IDW
User ID: 316817
10/25/2007 3:47 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
How many of you can remember anything occuring before you were born?
Anyone? DO you think humans have souls? How do you explain the sudden ceasation of life and the almost instantaneous disapation of life force withen? Where does the energy go?
How do idiot savants know so much that they have never learned? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 74444
10/25/2007 3:49 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
And how did this film effect your opinion of me? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 316817
My opinion of you didn't change in light of the film. I don't think your arguments reflect well with or without Matrix. It was cool, but my opinion of you is limited to what I've seen here -- in a simulation of a simulation of real conversation.
And I think the film would have been much less well received if Morpheus had been "You're a fucktard, Neo! I'm right because I SAY I'm right!" He would have been a far less sympathetic character.
And don't get me started on the huge logical holes in Matrix, either. It has the same problems as the solipsism in general.
DO you think I believe we live in a computer simulation? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 316817
I have no idea. Doesn't matter to me much, honestly.
Do you believe that I cant effect our reality on a singular basis? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 316817
I cannot parse this sentence.
DO you deny the possibility a person can be born knowing more than you ever will? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 316817
Nope. But I'd need to see *evidence* of such. And, in that, you've been sorely lacking.
Tell me this: How do you tell the difference between a madman, and what you are claiming to be? (And what ARE you claiming to be?)
DO you regularly partake of the entertrainment that hollywood pushes? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 316817
Not recently. Writing has gone way downhill in the last decade, or so.
DO you think that just maybe it is a method of brainwashing? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 316817
Nope, for the same reason I don't believe in other conspiracies. Too big, too many people, and we, as a species, can't keep secrets worth a crap. It certainly is an OPIATE of the masses, but as far as "brainwashing" goes, it isn't like the "They Live" motif you seem to adore. |
| IDW
User ID: 316817
10/25/2007 3:50 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Is it possible for a genius to also be born knowing things they were never taught or even known in this life? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 74444
10/25/2007 3:52 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
BAUT's been quiet since they kicked the 9-11'ers off. Still a great place to chat observational astronomy, the physics of Doctor Who (there IS such a thing?) and so on. Quoting: nomuse 316856
I have a neighbor with telescopes, who's explained how Nancy Lieder is wrong. It's fun to go out and see them in action.
Never could quite get into Doctor Who.
I think you'd enjoy ApolloHoax, as quiet as it's been of late. Great bunch of guys, both practicing space sciences people and the rest of us. Here one doesn't even get the the end of the beginning before the conversation runs off in some other direction. There, you can really get into some meaty stuff about space sciences -- and lots of other things. Quoting: nomuse 316856
That's different than the Bad Astronomy Board? I'll have to Google it.
Snicker -- really want to hide your email but still post it here? Put it an algebriac form that has to be solved, or code it up in c (broken among numerous variable of course, with integer-to-ascii conversion), or... Quoting: nomuse 316856
I *WISH* I had thought of that! That would have been a great puzzle! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 316817
10/25/2007 3:57 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
There are things that you believe are insane that are actually the purest form of truth.
One of them is that you can effect the whole of reality, not just for yourself, but for us all. Our perception of reality is created withen our minds, collectively. We can make it a paradise or a hell. And one of us can make a difference. That is the most frightening of all truths to those who do not wish for you to know this. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 74444
10/25/2007 3:57 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
How many of you can remember anything occuring before you were born? Quoting: IDW 316817
Not I. Heck, sometimes I can't remember things from last week!
Anyone? DO you think humans have souls? Quoting: IDW 316817
Dunno. Fairly irrelevant.
How do you explain the sudden ceasation of life and the almost instantaneous disapation of life force withen? Where does the energy go? Quoting: IDW 316817
Dunno again. Where does the energy go when you stop and deactivate a car? Stored and used for other things.
My molecules are destined to be a whole lot of other things in the course of this Universe. The need to continue beyond a single life is ego. My nitrogen is rented.
If I come to the end of life, and happen to be wrong, that'll be a pleasant surprise. But it won't alter how I've lived my life thus far, and plan to continue to.
How do idiot savants know so much that they have never learned? Quoting: IDW 316817
Well, usually they HAVE learned it -- they've just parsed and accessed the information in a different way. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 316817
10/25/2007 4:00 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Do you believe that I cant effect our reality on a singular basis?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 316817
I cannot parse this sentence.
Let me simplify it a bit. Do you think one person can make a difference in how we all percieve reality? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 74444
10/25/2007 4:01 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
There are things that you believe are insane that are actually the purest form of truth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 316817
And how, precisely, do you tell the difference between those truthful ideas, and the insane ones?
One of them is that you can effect the whole of reality, not just for yourself, but for us all. Our perception of reality is created withen our minds, collectively. We can make it a paradise or a hell. And one of us can make a difference. That is the most frightening of all truths to those who do not wish for you to know this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 316817
Except that I've been wishing, really hard, for YEARS that you'd be a polite, careful, intelligent poster who actually documents his sources, doesn't use fallacious arguments, doesn't call names, and admits when he's been proven utterly, utterly wrong, and it's never worked.
You're not going to go start quoting "The Secret," now, are you? |
| nomuse
User ID: 316856
10/25/2007 4:03 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
I seem to recall a recent study on idiot-savant mathematicians that revealed that -- rather to the experiment's disappointment -- they didn't actually calculate in any new way. No fancy mental algorithms, no sudden insights: just lots of ordinary addition and subtraction done very quickly and without the usual hesitation. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 74444
10/25/2007 4:06 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Let me simplify it a bit. Do you think one person can make a difference in how we all percieve reality? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 316817
ALL of us? No.
After all, with six billion of us, and six billion perspectives, there are going to be a great many who never hear about the difference the one person is making.
But, on the other hand, one person can make a difference in how a majority of us perceive reality. An example (and you'll hate this) is Einstein, and how time and space are perceived as parts of the same whole -- and how energy and matter are merely reflections of each other. The same stuff.
So, that was one person making a difference in how a majority see reality. But I doubt the Bushmen of the Kalahari really care what Einstein, or the rest of us, think about high energy physics and celestial mechanics. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 316817
10/25/2007 4:07 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Not I. Heck, sometimes I can't remember things from last week! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444
Maybe you did, but you forgot somewhere along the way. Most people I know cannot remember details from thier early childhood, and I cant remember the 70's. At least not that well. But I can remember being a baby in diapers, and many details of that time period down to the carpeting on the floors and color of a butterfly that landed on my hand. In fact I find it difficult to forget ANYTHING that impresses me.
Dunno. Fairly irrelevant. Quoting: 74444
It is more relevant than anything else you have ever disussed.
Well, usually they HAVE learned it -- they've just parsed and accessed the information in a different way. Quoting: 74444
Thats not true at all. You need to look into the phenomenon. It proves reality is not at all what you think. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 74444
10/25/2007 4:13 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
Maybe you did, but you forgot somewhere along the way. Most people I know cannot remember details from thier early childhood, and I cant remember the 70's. At least not that well. But I can remember being a baby in diapers, and many details of that time period down to the carpeting on the floors and color of a butterfly that landed on my hand. In fact I find it difficult to forget ANYTHING that impresses me. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 316817
That's nifty.
It is more relevant than anything else you have ever disussed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 316817
No, it's not. I haven't been discussing the metaphysical with you -- as every answer is the right one. I've been discussing very straightforward facts, and carefully compliling the times when you, often and quite maliciously, bully those who disagree with you while bringing no tangible data to the table yourself.
Thats not true at all. You need to look into the phenomenon. It proves reality is not at all what you think. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 316817
Well, let's see your sources for this remarkable claim. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 316817
10/25/2007 4:14 AM | | Re: APOLLO MOON LANDINGS ------- FAKED OR REAL !!?? | Quote |
There are things that you believe are insane that are actually the purest form of truth.
And how, precisely, do you tell the difference between those truthful ideas, and the insane ones? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444
It isnt easy. The truth about many things is falsly labeled as insane thinking, and for an easily understood reason. I suggest carefully reviewing every word I have typed on the last two pages and attempt to discover my selfish motivation for lying, if you think there is one.
Except that I've been wishing, really hard, for YEARS that you'd be a polite, careful, intelligent poster who actually documents his sources, doesn't use fallacious arguments, doesn't call names, and admits when he's been proven utterly, utterly wrong, and it's never worked. Quoting: 74444
Maybe thats because your not being honest with yourself. Maybe youre holding me up to an impossible standard, out of neccessity in preserving your delicate reality.
You're not going to go start quoting "The Secret," now, are you? Quoting: 74444
I have read of this idea on this board, and found it to be a misrepresentation of my own views. |
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