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How to invoke demons into your body

 
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blah blah blah

You're still an idiot.
And, sport, I'm not even a Christian.




The burden of proof is on your end, you claim I am an idiot, why is that? Have you ever actually tried to contact demons? Make an honest effort, then talk.


They're essentially psychic vampires, who feed on human energy.
In exchange they give, or can arrange all sorts of pretty things, by "conicidence."
They can even look and smell really nice.They can pass themselves of as your favourite fantasy (and have a superb sense of even hiden vulnerablities.)And they can beam pretty light in your face.
But that's just a cover for the essential nothingness at their core.
IF you let yourself be possessed by one-and what's the matter, don't you have an adequate sense of self esteem?-you will become like them.
Sucked dry-after you've enjoyed whatever toys they flick your way-and dead inside.

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You just described my ex-wife....
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Only in the hopes that someone can change the OP's mind. Don't open Pandoras box if you haven't done so.
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this seems weak

learn to master the mind, and youll have the combined powers of all beings in the universe, if youd like

demons are just a shortcut which doesnt pay-off or give freedom in the long run
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blah blah blah

You're still an idiot.
And, sport, I'm not even a Christian.



Sucked dry-after you've enjoyed whatever toys they flick your way-and dead inside.



You just described my ex-wife....
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LOL. That was my post and you reminded me that I could have been describing my first girlfriend too.
Ah, the little lessons life sends our way!
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There are methods of invoking demons into your body. By doing so you can share the power of the demon you have invoked. For instance, by invoking a fire demon, you can share your body with this being and gain an ability to conjure fire for various purposes. To do such invoking one must meditate and open their third eye. There is more to this that I shall explain, but for now, the most important things one must know before doing this sort of thing:


1. Ignore negativity. This includes atheists telling you demons do not exist, and most certainly christian zealots condemning this practice. There is nothing at all evil or wrong about invoking demonic beings into you. Demons themselves are not evil by nature, and an evil demon to a christian can be a savior angel to another.

2. You will not lose your soul. This is a lie. You and the demon share control of the body. The demon speaks to you telepathically and can make suggestions for you to act on, but you do not have to do them. However in times of distress a demon can take temp control of the body to protect the host from danger. For instance, if you are in danger of being attacked by a gang, the demon within you can fend off the attackers and even kill them to protect you.

3. Do NOT listen to anyone telling you to get an exorcism. Not only will it not work, but it is very offensive to the demon. You offer this being the chance to reside within you to share its power, so to try and kick them out is very rude and disrespectful.

I shall post the information soon, as I know many people now are interested in demonic beings. People are waking up to the lies perpetrated by christians, warmongering monsters who have shown full support to the genocidal US administration. People are waking up, and demons are the final catalyst for true awakening.
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You are truly, the dumbest motherfucker walking the face of planet earth.
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There are methods of invoking demons into your body. By doing so you can share the power of the demon you have invoked. For instance, by invoking a fire demon, you can share your body with this being and gain an ability to conjure fire for various purposes. To do such invoking one must meditate and open their third eye. There is more to this that I shall explain, but for now, the most important things one must know before doing this sort of thing:


1. Ignore negativity. This includes atheists telling you demons do not exist, and most certainly christian zealots condemning this practice. There is nothing at all evil or wrong about invoking demonic beings into you. Demons themselves are not evil by nature, and an evil demon to a christian can be a savior angel to another.

2. You will not lose your soul. This is a lie. You and the demon share control of the body. The demon speaks to you telepathically and can make suggestions for you to act on, but you do not have to do them. However in times of distress a demon can take temp control of the body to protect the host from danger. For instance, if you are in danger of being attacked by a gang, the demon within you can fend off the attackers and even kill them to protect you.

3. Do NOT listen to anyone telling you to get an exorcism. Not only will it not work, but it is very offensive to the demon. You offer this being the chance to reside within you to share its power, so to try and kick them out is very rude and disrespectful.

I shall post the information soon, as I know many people now are interested in demonic beings. People are waking up to the lies perpetrated by christians, warmongering monsters who have shown full support to the genocidal US administration. People are waking up, and demons are the final catalyst for true awakening.
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Yeah... Funny how demons like to blame Christians for warmongering....


chuckle
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There are methods of invoking demons into your body. By doing so you can share the power of the demon you have invoked. For instance, by invoking a fire demon, you can share your body with this being and gain an ability to conjure fire for various purposes. To do such invoking one must meditate and open their third eye. There is more to this that I shall explain, but for now, the most important things one must know before doing this sort of thing:


1. Ignore negativity. This includes atheists telling you demons do not exist, and most certainly christian zealots condemning this practice. There is nothing at all evil or wrong about invoking demonic beings into you. Demons themselves are not evil by nature, and an evil demon to a christian can be a savior angel to another.

2. You will not lose your soul. This is a lie. You and the demon share control of the body. The demon speaks to you telepathically and can make suggestions for you to act on, but you do not have to do them. However in times of distress a demon can take temp control of the body to protect the host from danger. For instance, if you are in danger of being attacked by a gang, the demon within you can fend off the attackers and even kill them to protect you.

3. Do NOT listen to anyone telling you to get an exorcism. Not only will it not work, but it is very offensive to the demon. You offer this being the chance to reside within you to share its power, so to try and kick them out is very rude and disrespectful.

I shall post the information soon, as I know many people now are interested in demonic beings. People are waking up to the lies perpetrated by christians, warmongering monsters who have shown full support to the genocidal US administration. People are waking up, and demons are the final catalyst for true awakening.
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If you're really interested in demons, have a look at The Lesser Key of Solomon:

[link to www.sacred-texts.com]

First rate demon invocation and evocation as practiced since antiquity. Edited by Mathers and Crowley.
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I truly hope that is sarcasm at its finest. Otherwise, have fun in hell. Demons are called demons for a reason, they're fucking evil.
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bump

www.spiritlessons.com

I suggest the OP read this; it might just make him realise how foolish it is to be deceived to think demons are play puppets!
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There are methods of invoking demons into your body. By doing so you can share the power of the demon you have invoked. For instance, by invoking a fire demon, you can share your body with this being and gain an ability to conjure fire for various purposes. To do such invoking one must meditate and open their third eye. There is more to this that I shall explain, but for now, the most important things one must know before doing this sort of thing:


1. Ignore negativity. This includes atheists telling you demons do not exist, and most certainly christian zealots condemning this practice. There is nothing at all evil or wrong about invoking demonic beings into you. Demons themselves are not evil by nature, and an evil demon to a christian can be a savior angel to another.

2. You will not lose your soul. This is a lie. You and the demon share control of the body. The demon speaks to you telepathically and can make suggestions for you to act on, but you do not have to do them. However in times of distress a demon can take temp control of the body to protect the host from danger. For instance, if you are in danger of being attacked by a gang, the demon within you can fend off the attackers and even kill them to protect you.

3. Do NOT listen to anyone telling you to get an exorcism. Not only will it not work, but it is very offensive to the demon. You offer this being the chance to reside within you to share its power, so to try and kick them out is very rude and disrespectful.

I shall post the information soon, as I know many people now are interested in demonic beings. People are waking up to the lies perpetrated by christians, warmongering monsters who have shown full support to the genocidal US administration. People are waking up, and demons are the final catalyst for true awakening.



Yeah... Funny how demons like to blame Christians for warmongering....


chuckle
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The difference between demons and God? the difference between winners and losers. Take your pick. Thou shalt die vs. Thou shalt not surely die....oh and get ready to fight, cause its gonna go down, big time.
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The giving up of ones will to anything will never have a good outcome, Whether it be another person, a government or some spirit we call a demon. IT is foolish to believe that one will gain advantage by giving away ones freedom. The idea that power exist under the yoke of another is one of the most hideous forms of slavery.
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Ok, let's say this is legit (just for Sh*ts & Giggles).

I want to call down the power (or up...theo-spatially speaking) of a minor ice demon. Let's call him Ghelgath. I find Ghelgath's sigil and prepare myself as a vessal for Ghelgath. I invoke and chant, and all that entails the ritual...only to find that someone else has beaten me to it and got Ghelgath to themselves. That would piss me off royally!

Is there some sort of directory that one uses to know if a demon is available or on assignment?

It would be embarrassing to go through the trouble of envoking demon after demon, only to find they are all already "loaned out" to every political and religious leader in the world.

Ghelgath (taken)
Lilith (taken)
Asmodeus (retired in Las Vegas)
Cthulhu (sleeping)
Azazel (taken)
Abaddon (up for grabs! 1/2 price)
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Ok, let's say this is legit (just for Sh*ts & Giggles).

I want to call down the power (or up...theo-spatially speaking) of a minor ice demon. Let's call him Ghelgath. I find Ghelgath's sigil and prepare myself as a vessal for Ghelgath. I invoke and chant, and all that entails the ritual...only to find that someone else has beaten me to it and got Ghelgath to themselves. That would piss me off royally!

Is there some sort of directory that one uses to know if a demon is available or on assignment?

It would be embarrassing to go through the trouble of envoking demon after demon, only to find they are all already "loaned out" to every political and religious leader in the world.

Ghelgath (taken)
Lilith (taken)
Asmodeus (retired in Las Vegas)
Cthulhu (sleeping)
Azazel (taken)
Abaddon (up for grabs! 1/2 price)
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lmao
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Come into my web, said the spider to the fly. It won't hurt you.

Take the hand of one leading you into the Abyss at your own peril.
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Ok, let's say this is legit (just for Sh*ts & Giggles).

I want to call down the power (or up...theo-spatially speaking) of a minor ice demon. Let's call him Ghelgath. I find Ghelgath's sigil and prepare myself as a vessal for Ghelgath. I invoke and chant, and all that entails the ritual...only to find that someone else has beaten me to it and got Ghelgath to themselves. That would piss me off royally!

Is there some sort of directory that one uses to know if a demon is available or on assignment?

It would be embarrassing to go through the trouble of envoking demon after demon, only to find they are all already "loaned out" to every political and religious leader in the world.

Ghelgath (taken)
Lilith (taken)
Asmodeus (retired in Las Vegas)
Cthulhu (sleeping)
Azazel (taken)
Abaddon (up for grabs! 1/2 price)
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coffee4 "Goodmorining!!" hmm?..(just for Sh*ts & Giggles).

laugh
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i read all your posts OP, but with the intention of using the information to invoke angels and perhaps god himself or maybe even jesus christ. I'm sure one of the archangels will have a lot more power than any of your mere demons without all the evil from those lower realms. evil does exist in this world, being an empath, i can sense it when an evil entity is nearby, and even negative emotions from people. I have fought with demons before but i use the elements and other psychic defense mechanisms for protection. I have even turned a very dark agressive and evil demon to the good side, although accidentally he was converted so to speak. You don't need to summon a demon to be able to use fire. Its one of the 5 basic elements and easily accesseble to anyone right this very moment if they know how, but seeing as knowledge is power and you are obviously under-educated and being mislead, i will retain that knowledge for your own sake, and the sake of others.
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There are methods of invoking demons into your body. By doing so you can share the power of the demon you have invoked. For instance, by invoking a fire demon, you can share your body with this being and gain an ability to conjure fire for various purposes. To do such invoking one must meditate and open their third eye. There is more to this that I shall explain, but for now, the most important things one must know before doing this sort of thing:


1. Ignore negativity. This includes atheists telling you demons do not exist, and most certainly christian zealots condemning this practice. There is nothing at all evil or wrong about invoking demonic beings into you. Demons themselves are not evil by nature, and an evil demon to a christian can be a savior angel to another.

2. You will not lose your soul. This is a lie. You and the demon share control of the body. The demon speaks to you telepathically and can make suggestions for you to act on, but you do not have to do them. However in times of distress a demon can take temp control of the body to protect the host from danger. For instance, if you are in danger of being attacked by a gang, the demon within you can fend off the attackers and even kill them to protect you.

3. Do NOT listen to anyone telling you to get an exorcism. Not only will it not work, but it is very offensive to the demon. You offer this being the chance to reside within you to share its power, so to try and kick them out is very rude and disrespectful.

I shall post the information soon, as I know many people now are interested in demonic beings. People are waking up to the lies perpetrated by christians, warmongering monsters who have shown full support to the genocidal US administration. People are waking up, and demons are the final catalyst for true awakening.
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Hey didn't Jesus cast demons out of people because their relatives asked him to, why do you suppose they aked for that?
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Is there a lottery winning demon?
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is this the SAME idiot that posted this gem

"Sexual Intercourse with Devils: Everything you need to know"

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Alright, can you say paid poster???

Was not getting PWNED in the other forum enough for you???

IDIOT LOL
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is this the SAME idiot that posted this gem

"Sexual Intercourse with Devils: Everything you need to know"

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Alright, can you say paid poster???

Was not getting PWNED in the other forum enough for you???

IDIOT LOL
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haha yeah but you need to realise they hide the truth in plain sight, so there is valuable info within disinfo if you can read between the lines and decode the bullshit.

you could use that info to have sex with an angel from heaven.. wouldn't that be nice ;)
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Bump for a true post OP
bump
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You don't have to open the "third eye" or mediate or anything like that. Each Demon can have several manifestations at the same time (there is however a certain limit). You will need the following: 1 (or 2) bottles of rum (100% proof or more), several packs of candles (black or white), several packs of cigarettes, live animal (at least 2 adult male chickens or 1 adult sheep), sweet smelling powder or air freshner (cause demons will smell like death), 2 new "crystal" champagne glasses, white ceramic or glass plate, knife & fork (silver), a sharp knife, chalk or string to draw a circle of protection, bible, fresh clean water, wood to make a small fire, 10 25cent pieces, and the invocation prayers memorized (you cannot read this from a book as most likely you will be in darkness). ALL ITEMS MUST BE BRAND NEW!

You need to know:
1. Which demon you are going to invoke.
2. The cardinal direction of the demon (be it east, west, north, south, ne, nw, se, sw, etc...).
3. The hour that you can call them forth. Most times are during night, beginning at 9pm, 12am (midnite) or 3am.


You will need to go to the cemetary. On a tomb you will
1. sprinkle the powder and/or spray the air freshner all around the tomb.
2. light the candles around the tomb.
3. place the plate at the head of the tomb along with the two champagne glasses. Stick the knife and fork in a cross position.
3. light 3 cigarrets and place them on the knife and fork.
4. light a small fire. you can use some rum to light the fire.
5. draw a circle around yourself for protection.
6. prayer psalm 23, recite the apostle's creed (i believe in god the father almighty....).
7. pour water into one champagne glass and rum in the next (full them).
8. pour rum around the tomb and light it.
9. cut the throat of the animal(s) and let the blood full the plate.
10. invoke the demon!

when you're done, dismiss the demon by first thanking him for coming, then ask him to leave in a peaceful manner to whence he came without hurting anything in his path. Recite Genesis 1.

recite psalm 23 and the apostle's creed.

Good luck and be very careful! it is best not to go alone.
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There are methods of invoking demons into your body. By doing so you can share the power of the demon you have invoked. For instance, by invoking a fire demon, you can share your body with this being and gain an ability to conjure fire for various purposes. To do such invoking one must meditate and open their third eye. There is more to this that I shall explain, but for now, the most important things one must know before doing this sort of thing:


1. Ignore negativity. This includes atheists telling you demons do not exist, and most certainly christian zealots condemning this practice. There is nothing at all evil or wrong about invoking demonic beings into you. Demons themselves are not evil by nature, and an evil demon to a christian can be a savior angel to another.

2. You will not lose your soul. This is a lie. You and the demon share control of the body. The demon speaks to you telepathically and can make suggestions for you to act on, but you do not have to do them. However in times of distress a demon can take temp control of the body to protect the host from danger. For instance, if you are in danger of being attacked by a gang, the demon within you can fend off the attackers and even kill them to protect you.

3. Do NOT listen to anyone telling you to get an exorcism. Not only will it not work, but it is very offensive to the demon. You offer this being the chance to reside within you to share its power, so to try and kick them out is very rude and disrespectful.

I shall post the information soon, as I know many people now are interested in demonic beings. People are waking up to the lies perpetrated by christians, warmongering monsters who have shown full support to the genocidal US administration. People are waking up, and demons are the final catalyst for true awakening.
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GO TO HELL?
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damned2 Your mother sucks cocks in hell


See what happens when you ask demons inside you.
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Invocation has been safely performed for thousands of years. Ignorant Christians love to issue dire warnings, but the fact is that it's mostly harmless.

The misinformation stems in the belief of a soul, in the Christian sense, and the belief that an otherworldly being can "kick out" or devour the soul. The soul, if you choose to call it that, does not operate in this manner. It is attached to the body until death, unless you're a raja yoga master perhaps. Also keep in mind that the soul is indestructible and immortal. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed.
And anyway, these spirits and such that we summon (everyone invokes spirits whether they realize or not) are at least 50% psychological.

A good idea would be to invoke a relatively benign spirit the first time. Hermes is often used as a first invocation
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I hate to tell ya this..But you don't need to invoke any demons..There is one INSIDE you right now..That you need to WAKE UP and kill..

"LOCK UP THE WOLVES..OR IT'S OVER"..

As for some of the guidelines in OP's original post...Well all I can do is shake my head..SUCH LIARS..SUCH LIES..They are feeding the people in this place....

Tsk...Tsk...As usual..
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Why Rituals don't Work Reading Pete Carroll's mathematical exgesis of magic, I sometimes get the impression that if a ritual goes wrong, it's because someone got a decimal point wrong somewhere. The explanations that we often use to describe how magick works - you know, morphic fields, Butterflies flapping their wings, and so forth, are all very well, but reading them, I often get the impression that magick shouldn't, all things considered, miss the mark. In some circles, occultists fall back on the argument of 'ah well, the tides were against that particular working' or 'it wasn't my Karma for that spell to work' - spot the cop-out clause? Under these arguments - if your rite works, then its 'ego-stroking-time', if it didn't, then it's the fault of some cosmic agency.

And anyway, what do I mean when I say 'Rites that go Wrong'? In the case of Results Magick (Sorcery) this would refer to spells to bring about a specific condition that haven't manifested yet. In which case I might argue my way out of that one and say that 'the Universe is still working to manifest that one' - i.e. The cheque's in the post. For Invocations, 'going wrong' might be when the deity being summoned fails to turn up. Well, I'll go into that one in a while. Of course, a lot of magick doesn't require hardcore results - subtle stuff like personal development & so forth, where you can only judge the 'results' over time.

Results Magick
Results Magick or Sorcery is concerned with bringing about specific changes in your conditions. One of the simplest approaches to Sorcery is using Sigils. The important thing about Sigils, I would stress, is getting your intent as precise as possible - vague 'wishing' tends to give rise to vague results, in my experience. However, there are other factors to bear in mind as well.

Right then. Sex.

Hands up everyone who's ever done a sigil to get laid.

Me too.

Works doesn't it? Well, most of the time.

A while ago, I did a TOPY sigil with the intended result of bringing about a much-desired sexual fantasy, and no, I'm not telling you the details. Needless to say, it hasn't worked ... yet. And for what it's worth, I'll treat you to my own reasoning behind this. A core part of the sigilisation process is allowing the desire to become latent - that is, you don't allow it to resurface into consciousness. Seeing as the sigil was for an extremely powerful desire - an obsession, even. I'm probably too bound up with that particular scenario to let it become 'latent' and so manifest. To do so, I'd probably have to rework some of my lust-complexes. If I did, and then the opportunity arose to 'manifest' the result. I might no longer be interested. Then again...

A 'traditional' magical line is that you shouldn't place too much strain on the Universe. There is the old adage of a magician who does a spell for money and waits for the multiverse (like Santa) to provide. He doesn't do anything to 'help' the desire manifest, and so his result manifests by him getting insurance compensation after tripping over a loose stair carpet in the dole office and breaking both legs. A succesful result, but not in the way he expected it. Which if nothing else shows that the Multiverse has a slappy sense of humour.

Invocations
I've often been at group rituals where the deity being called upon descends, not into the chosen priestess or priest, but into someone else. This can be embarrassing for all concerned, especially as in most of the rites where I've seen this occurr, the whole thing as gone ahead as normal, whilst one of the celebrants is standing/sitting there totally zapped. Only afterwards do you get the mutters of 'Kali was in me, not so-andso', etc. The other point to mention is that after an invocation, not all entities will obligingly go away. Some refuse point-blank, and have to be cajoled, threatened, or plied with alcohol. This isn't so much 'failure' though, as an unexpected level of success. Magicians should beware the unexpected. A friend of mine once did some conjurations of 'Dark Gods' in his flat. Good Chaos Magician that he was, he banished with laughter. However, 'something' was still around and whatever it was, it literally kicked him out of bed....Laugh that one off.

York, 1985 and I was performing an invocation of Baphomet with the High Priestess of the coven I was then half-in. Again, 'something' in the room objected. Whatever it was pulled a heavy poster off the wall - it didn't just slide off, oh no, it looked for all the world like someone was peeling it back from the wall, at a right angle. After that went, my stereo speaker plinth started rocking. We took the hint, banished, and went down the pub.

Group Magic
I don't like working magic with people who I have nagging doubts about - or simply don't like them for very clear reasons. Why I've set this rule up goes back to an incident in 1986. I was in a group, and a big meeting was planned - lotsa people coming in that were 'invited' specially because of the 'importance' of this working. Two of the people who came down for the do spent the whole time bickering with each other, and generally bringing a bad vibe (man) to the whole thing. I was pissed off, and would have much preferred not to have taken part. Couldn't back out tho', as I was playing a key role in the ritual. So I went ahead with it. I forget what other people thought but I came out of that temple thinking 'yecch' and just wanting to get out of the place. Since it was 3am, I was stuck there, so I went into a spare bedroom, laid me down, and decided to go for a bit of an astral wander. Like you do.

Whilst I was happily floating round the Tree of Life, 'somebody' else came in and decided that I was under astral attack by demons, as well you might if you come across someone lying peacefully on the floor. If you've ever been forcibly dragged out of a deep trance to find a large person sitting on you, wielding an athame and shouting 'out vile spirit', you'll know what it was like for me. Not a happy pixie.

I declined to take part in the next day's working and departed, thinking "never again". Wait for it though. Here's the best bit. As British Rail whisked me back to the relative sanity of York, the people I'd been working with were en route to their next working. Somebody got a flash message from the astral guardians and, while I'm sitting on the train drinking Newcastle Brown and thinking of taking out a subscription to New Scientist, my astral body is under attack (again!) and the group have pulled over onto the hard shoulder, linked hands, and are battling for my soul. On returning home, I sought the advice of an elder colleague, who agreed that the whole thing had been a cock-up and that my best route was to steer clear of "daft buggers" in future. Advice which I have, with one or two exceptions, mostly followed.

The result of this particular shebang was that I left that particular group and soon after, joined another one, with an accordant change of magical direction. And a conviction never to do any serious kind of magick with people I didn't trust.

Sometimes, I have thought that a ritual had gone wrong, when in fact it hadn't. Two illustrations spring to mind here. The first is when a colleague and I attempted to get through to the wizard Amalantrah - one of A.C's inner-plane contacts. We were setting up a new magical group at the time (Dark Star), and, flying in the face of discussions in the 'zines about HGA's etc, decided to have an 'inner-planes adept' or two heading the Order. I recall the rite fondly, as a circle of fairy lights and a chocolate easter egg were part of the temple props. To cut a long story short, we got through to old whatzis-face, but he wasn't interested in sponsoring our temple, as it were.

Second one is an invocation of Thoth. Again, during an attack of Thelema. The whole thing went smoothly, except Thoth didn't manifest in any discernable way - no 'inner voices', no visions, nowt. What a let down etc. Except the next night, I was asked to do a tarot reading using the Thoth deck. It went on and on - for about five hours, and I realised that I had a lot of realisations about the cards etc. Again - the unexpected.

Talking about 'unexpected results' there's Eris to consider. She's got one helluva an odd sense of humour. We did a working once on behalf of someone with Eris as the powering current. The rite worked for that person, only they got a whole heap of shit with their result to work through as well. As for me; the following day, I locked myself out of my top-floor flat - neccessitating a climb over the roof (it was raining) to get back in; my computer monitor suddenly 'died' on me, and a condom split, neccessitating a few days of anxiety for myself and the other person concerned. Hail Eris!

Nowadays I tend to more-or-less hold the belief that if I do a working, it's going-to-bloody-well-work! Having said that, I'm careful to only attempt things which have a good chance of coming off - not straining the fabric of the wossname too much.

I can recall, many years ago, doing a pentagram ritual and thinking "oh shit - I just did all the pentagrams wrong - and, like, nothing noticed." And if they did, I haven't been stitched up by something nasty - yet. In the first proper group I was in, I was brought up to believe that if you crossed a ritual circle once it was set up, then it gave you a nasty turn. Consequently I was somewhat taken aback when I was visiting another group one time, and they were in and out of the circle like yo-yos. Still, I suppose it was good practice in disciplining people to do their wee-wees before the ritual and not halfway through the invocations ... mind you, for some people that is their idea of ritual.

But this isn't answering the question of why do Rites Go Wrong? I think Group Dynamics, or perhaps, the lack of awareness of, can explain some occult gaffs. A typical example is the instance where no one really knows what they're doing but is either too nervous to voice this, nor to they wish to look a prat in front of their colleagues. To maintain magi-cred, it's not usually considered good form to say "er, I don't understand why we're doing this bit". Mind you, if it turns out that nobody else does, then this could mean trouble all round.

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