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APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 309705
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10/8/2007 10:05 PM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
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idw
User ID: 309682
United States
10/8/2007 11:29 PM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
If men walked on the moon from 69 to 72, thier footprints would still be on the moon today. This is the incontrovertable evidence, one way or another. When I come to a conclusion and am positive about something involving science, it is my experience that I am very seldom proved in error, though my advesaries will continuously claim they have without any real eveidence of having done so.
In fact, a record of all of the astronauts activities would exist, imprinted in the lunar surface. Evidence would include the presence of some very large artifacts including the lunar landers' descent stage, experimental equipment, and on some missions a lunar rover.
The thing is, there is no errosion on the moon, no wind or rain or other force to change the scene or alter the evidence. Aluminum and plastic, and all the materials that were used should remain for the most part in thier original condition, with little degredation. Personally, I dont think this evidence will every be independantly confirmed, after al it has been 40 years and NO SUCH CONFIRMATION HAS EVER BEEN MADE. The Russians never DID say the USA went to the moon, they only never said it didnt until recently.
Here we are in 2007, and you know what, dispite the ESA looking in the particular places where the landers were supposed to be, NONE were ever actually found.
no independant investigation has ever revealed the presence of anything indicating such a mission took place.
The science against it, serious issues never addressed, DOZENS of them, and the physical evidence along with the circumstancial evidence and a lack of any incontrovertable proof all combine together into a certainty that Apollo was a hoax, beyond any reasonable doubt.
Now Im going to tell you how the hoax was done. This is revealed for the first time in history, to my knowledge, and this is my personal conclusion about how the hoax was pulled off.
The Apollo spacecraft actually consisted of two main sections and totally independant spacecraft, the command/service module half, and the third stage/LEM.
[[[ NASA's version is that the command module seperated from the third stage, with the LEM on the top of the third stage remaining in place. Then the command module maneuvered itself around using its manevering jets, supposedly, and docked with the ascent stage of the lunar lander in the top of the third stage. None of this is impossible to imagine, NASA had limited success with rendevous and docking with the gemini program. All they would need to do is have the skills to thread a needle with a rocket reaction type manevering jet system, totally possible for men of Aldrins and Armstrongs capabilities. What Aldrin or Armstrong couldnt do, not that it is a fault, is survive the radiation of near earth and interplanetary space for the periods of time neccessary with any likelyhood, not in a virtually unshielded spacecraft,so a solution was thought out that would satisfy all of the onlookers that a mission to the moon by men had actually taken place. The third stage and the Lunar lander continued on to the moon while the manned section (Command/service modules)stayed in as high an orbit as possible to avoid detection.It did not totally succeed, either, as I will explain in greater detail when I publish my findings.
The manned section orbited in a high elliptical orbit to remain as high while traversing populated areas as possible, so as to avoid visual detection. The Soviets (if they wernt in on it themselves)would probably take the bait and follow the third stage /lunar lander to the moon, ignoring the much smaller target assuming it spacejunk left over from the seperation. The communications were smoke and mirrors, and they made dozens of mistakes faking it. Pre recorded telemetry, video and voice communications were relayed from the lunar bound space vehicle and responded to as in a script. There was no way to tell if it was real or not, just by intercepting the signal. This is why two lines of communucation were used, LAUNCH CONTROL and MISSION CONTROL. Launch control kept in contact with the actual manned mission, and Houston the faked lunar mission. The actual communications between the astronauts and launch control were never publically broadcast, only the scripted version coming from Houston. AS the 'missions' progressed, they got better at the fakery. Everyones eyes would be on the larger vehicle, talking and the astronauts bio telemetry, and video and all... This is why so many of the astronauts have mental issues or are angry, because they know they couldve done it but were never given the chance. I believe that. I believe it is possible to do what Kennedy pledged, just not in the rediculous time limit he set. I also believe that the hardware issues were solvable with the application of a different methodology, and the fact that this simple solution was never employed proves the intent was never to actually succeed, but merely appear to succeed and have plausable deniability when confronted by critics. A manned trip to the moon is no pittling task, only the best of ideas could have been successful, and the best idea inexplicably wasnt employed. The solution of course was employing the use of two or more launch vehicles , and to assemble the properly shielded and much heavier spacecraft in orbit by rendevous and docking. The neat little take the whole house packed in the trunk idea just couldnt work. And to accomplish a manned mission to the moon, a tremendous leap in ability from what had been done only few years before, it just defies all reason. Youre talking going from a suborbital 15 minute flight to landing a man on the moon , all in 8 years, and 6 missions without the loss of a single life? |
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IDW
User ID: 310267
United States
10/9/2007 9:33 PM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
The evidence to prove Apollo was a fraud is on this thread. There is also clear evidence of a conspiracy to cover up the the fraud.:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
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IDW
User ID: 310555
United States
10/10/2007 6:21 PM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
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Original link no workie Quoting: Anonymous Coward 309705
The bad astronomy website doesnt have that problem, does it? Of course they have the taxpayers to pay for thier bandwidth, dont they?
I think if I were given the same budget Phil is and the same attention Jay and his pet shills like that cocksucker Sibrel get through the jew media, this whole Apollo issue could be put to rest permanently, and proved a hoax in the minds of the people. People THINK it was a hoax. I want them to KNOW it was ahoax, and why the hoax was done in the first place..
The real questions have never been asked properly, and they certainly have never been answered. |
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IDW
User ID: 310555
United States
10/10/2007 6:31 PM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
Clicking on the link I posted returns the error message "sorry, that message is no longer in the database" yet when I click on the address from my history it goes right to it.
I guess I proved it was a limited hangout to the FBI, anyway. More evidence, it mounts daily |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 310555
United States
10/10/2007 6:32 PM | |
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 310621
 Brazil
10/10/2007 6:54 PM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 3222
 New Zealand
10/10/2007 7:56 PM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
Now Im going to tell you how the hoax was done. This is revealed for the first time in history, ... Quoting: idw 309682
Wasn't that in the other thread? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 299632
United States
10/10/2007 7:59 PM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 299632
United States
10/10/2007 8:01 PM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
The bad astronomy website doesnt have that problem, does it? Of course they have the taxpayers to pay for thier bandwidth, dont they? Quoting: IDW 310555
WHAT in the FUCK made you think www.badastronomy.com was a government funded site??
Moron! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 299632
United States
10/10/2007 8:03 PM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
Aluminum and plastic, and all the materials that were used should remain for the most part in thier original condition, with little degredation. Quoting: idw 309682
Damn, but you're not nearly as smart as you THINK you are... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 3222
New Zealand
10/10/2007 8:10 PM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
It's funny how much ignorance these claims come from.
e.g.
FACT: It would have been impossible for the astronauts to get from the Lunar Module to the conical space capsule, as this section was occupied by the 3 large reentry parachutes, which ejected from the conical end. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 276554
Do these people do no research? The chutes are arranged around the end - which does contain the docking mechanism. What makes them think they have to be "right at the tip"?
e.g. [link to ganymede.nmsu.edu]
(How stupid do they think NASA could be, to have all that detail in the "hoax" but miss something so obvious?)
It seems that this "fact" was copied from nasascam, which also contained the howler that "the crew would not be able to go from the service module to command module through the heat shield"! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 4321
United States
10/10/2007 8:18 PM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
26. When all else fails.... SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM.....
[link to www.watchingyou.com] |
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Man In Black
User ID: 297166
United States
10/10/2007 8:31 PM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
"Nothing to see here people - move along! We went to the moon thats all you need to know - move along, YOU THERE!
I said move along!" |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 254678
United States
10/10/2007 9:44 PM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
It's funny how much ignorance these claims come from.
e.g.
FACT: It would have been impossible for the astronauts to get from the Lunar Module to the conical space capsule, as this section was occupied by the 3 large reentry parachutes, which ejected from the conical end.
Do these people do no research? The chutes are arranged around the end - which does contain the docking mechanism. What makes them think they have to be "right at the tip"?
e.g. [ link to ganymede.nmsu.edu]
(How stupid do they think NASA could be, to have all that detail in the "hoax" but miss something so obvious?)
It seems that this "fact" was copied from nasascam, which also contained the howler that "the crew would not be able to go from the service module to command module through the heat shield"!
Yeah, i burst out laughing when i read that; omgz the 'nauts couldn't get to the lem cuz the 'chutes was in the way.
I swear i think this country is losing its mind. |
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GNFR
User ID: 231023
United States
10/10/2007 10:15 PM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
OP, I was going to post something about you being a huge bullshitter. then I read more. You really changed my opinion. You must be galactically stupid, or naive if you believe even one tenth of that nonsense you post. I wouldn't know where to begin driving the tractor-trailers thru the enormous holes in your "logic". Your "facts" alone are mostly uninformed,{tho emphatically stated},opinion, loaded with reasoning that is laughably dopey. Out of curiosity, how do the audio tapes of the astronauts referencing UFO and alien activity fit into this grand theory of yours? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 308964
United States
10/10/2007 10:20 PM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
People who claim the moon landing was faked are small, sad people. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 283144
United States
10/10/2007 10:23 PM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
People who claim the moon landing was faked are small, sad people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 308964
Armstrong... Is that you?? |
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IDW
User ID: 310555
United States
10/10/2007 11:05 PM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
The bad astronomy website doesnt have that problem, does it? Of course they have the taxpayers to pay for thier bandwidth, dont they?
WHAT in the FUCK made you think www.badastronomy.com was a government funded site??
Moron! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 299632
Because it is?
Pretty stupid question.
Who the hell do you think you're kidding?
Phil Plait recieves compensation for his work from the federal government, doesnt he? WHo pays for bad astronomy? The users? Dont make me laugh, there are none! If you are really unaware of what I claimed, go over to the bad astronomy website and have a look around, but make sure your firewall is updated.
HELLO!
Then google phil plait; nasa
Plait runs BAD ASTRONOMY and works for NASA.
Its pretty clear, fellows. |
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IDW
User ID: 310555
United States
10/10/2007 11:08 PM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
People who claim the moon landing was faked are small, sad people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 308964
Sad, I dont feel that way, small, well I don't fit in that catagory by any 'measure'. Actually I am pissed off. I think it's time we stopped politicising reality. |
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IDW
User ID: 310555
United States
10/10/2007 11:36 PM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
Note that most of the craters have Russian names– that’s because it’s the Moon’s far side, and the first folks to see them were the Soviets! Their probes were the first to circle around the Moon and take images, and that gave them the right to name the features. Quoting: Phil Plait
Yeah, and they were always ahead of us, wern't they Phil?, you freaking liar
The Russians got there first with their robotic proxies, and then the Americans with robots ..... Quoting: Phil Plait
Robots, huh? I didnt know we sent robots to the moon? Maybe he meant ROBOTICS? I dont know. SOunds like a goddamned air head to me.
....and then humans, and now we have the Japanese. Soon there will be Indians and Chinese there, too. Quoting: Phil Plait
Do I detect racial supremecy in your post? You sound a bit agast over the eventuality of the 'unpure races' traveling to the moon.
{quote:Phil Plait]
The high-res cameras will take incredible images, with resolution of features down to a few meters! Next year, when LRO goes, it will have half-meter resolution. We will soon have maps of the Moon that rival those of the Earth. I hope Google is ready for it!
What are you fuckheads going to do, photoshop in the lunar landers? I cant wait to debunk the landing site images. They should be interesting. At 1/2 meter resolution a positive identification should be able to be made of each of the landing sites. We can go back and image a specific location on the surface of mars, 'finding' the landing sites should be easy. The thing is a landing site doesnt neccessarilly mean human activity, it could have been robotic...
To see if there are signs of human activity may soon be possible, if resolution is improved. SInce there is no atmospheric drag, low altitude orbits with no atmospheric distortion should make it a breeze to get down to 6 inch resolution eventually. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 310739
United States
10/11/2007 12:09 AM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
OP is a genius. Debunkers are retards. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 310555
United States
10/11/2007 12:18 AM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
Aluminum and plastic, and all the materials that were used should remain for the most part in thier original condition, with little degredation.
Damn, but you're not nearly as smart as you THINK you are... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 299632
And what do you base that conclusion on? I am assuming of course that the exterior of the spacecraft is aluminum because thats what the material it was made of was. SOme kinds of Plastic will degrade from intense sunlight, we all know that from our experience on this planet, and we can assume it would be more intense on the moon. HOWEVER, most of the material that WOULD degrade from sunlight is not being exposed to it, and even if it DID degrade, enough evidence would remain. Just what is it youre trying to say, the aluminum lander just went away? Was it plastic? I aluminum known to just vaporize and crumble in the space enviroment? What ARE you basing your comment on, REALLY? I would say a vaccuum enviroment with no oxygen and a reasonably low temperature would preserve the material fairly well. The things that will tell the tale wouldnt degrade at all, and thats what I meant and you know it is. |
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IDW
User ID: 310555
United States
10/11/2007 12:21 AM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
OP is a genius. Debunkers are retards. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 310739
I am the only debunker on this thread. I am debunking a hoax. EVeryone else here save a few are hoax perpetrators. NASA's represnetatives here are not, and cannot by definition be called debunkers, since they claim Apollo wasnt a hoax. A debunker attempts to prove a hoax IS a hoax.. |
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LEGION, FOR THERE ARE MANY
User ID: 186213
United States
10/11/2007 12:37 AM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
Excellent post OP...a good read......LEGION |
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IDW
User ID: 310889
United States
10/11/2007 10:53 AM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
I find it interesting (and laughable) how NASA propagandists are already trying to explain why no evidence of a moonlanding will ever be found.
Apprently the Sun just vaporized it!
DO you realize how stupid this arguement sounds? |
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drippy
User ID: 267485
United States
10/11/2007 11:46 AM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
FACT: Neil Armstrong is now suffering with mental illness. A direct result of him putting his name forward as the foundation stone for the biggest lie in history. OR it could be that he has become paranoid by the overwhelming number of web sites, exposing him as a liar.
FACT: Rumor has it that Apollo 12 astronaut Pete Conrad was going public about the fake Moon landings on the 30th anniversary back in July 1999. He was killed in a motorcycle accident one week before the 30th anniversary. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 276554
Complete utter crap. Every one of your so called facts can be ripped apart. Just a snippet of two idiotic 'facts'. How is it a fact that Neil's mental illness is a direct result of him using his name in a lie? Did Neil tell you? You and everyone else continually make up crap and call it a fact.
And how is a rumor a fact in the second snippet? More crap.
The garbage keeps getting propagated over and over by individuals bent on believing the US gov't does nothing but create lies.
FACT: NASA astronauts LANDED on the moon.
-drippy |
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idol_harobed
User ID: 515
Brazil
10/11/2007 11:55 AM
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How could the feather and hammer experiment have succeeded?
I am what I read. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 310954
United States
10/11/2007 1:15 PM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
How does a magician pull a rabbit out of his hat?
I think this is a great post, OP.
The History Channel had a Russian engineer admit that the Soviet Union was the first in everything until the Space Shuttle. No mention of the moon landings because they were hoaxes. The hoaxes were perpetrated upon a very gullible public. Today, they retard and thwart progress. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 310955
United States
10/11/2007 1:39 PM | | Re: APOLLO REALITY: How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off. | Quote |
People who claim the moon landing was faked are small, sad people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 308964
Sorry. Nice try. We did not have the computer technology required for this in 1969. |
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