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what percentage of homosexuals have been molested / raped as children?

 
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I think if you were to look at the numbers would see that the reason people become homosexuals is because they were abused, raped as kids, and that wires their sexuality in the opposite direction. Has there been studies on this? I would wager it is true, these things don't come out of thin air.
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Of all the bullshit that has been posted here!
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I think if you were to look at the numbers would see that the reason people become homosexuals is because they were abused, raped as kids, and that wires their sexuality in the opposite direction. Has there been studies on this? I would wager it is true, these things don't come out of thin air.
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This is purely anetodal, but from the people I have spoken with it is quite high. But OP this is truly Un-PC in todays world
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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JUST YOU !! chuckle
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It would appear that the majority of the responses so far are from religious fundamentalists by the way they mock and seem unwilling to even entertain a reasonable, objective question posed by OP.
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It would appear that the majority of the responses so far are from religious fundamentalists by the way they mock and seem unwilling to even entertain a reasonable, objective question posed by OP.
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I think the OP is a religious fundamentalist.
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I think the OP is a religious fundamentalist.
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How can you tell? OP posted a question, asking whether it may hold any validity, and you scoffed at it with the short-bus smiley. Which of the two of you appears less open-minded?
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It would appear that the majority of the responses so far are from religious fundamentalists
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How can you tell?

they mock and seem unwilling to even entertain a reasonable, objective question posed by OP.
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Stupid fucking question more like.
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I think if you were to look at the numbers would see that the reason people become homosexuals is because they were abused, raped as kids, and that wires their sexuality in the opposite direction. Has there been studies on this? I would wager it is true, these things don't come out of thin air.
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Yes there has been studies and what you say is not true. What is so very hard to understand about being aroused by one kind of sexual organ over another?

I personally think it is primarily genetic but that childhood experiences are very important too; like bonding with the mother but not the father.

Homosexuality has always existed and it always will. Deal with it.
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My opinion is a person chose to be homosexual before they were born to know that particular experience in life.
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I think if you were to look at the numbers would see that the reason people become homosexuals is because they were abused, raped as kids, and that wires their sexuality in the opposite direction. Has there been studies on this? I would wager it is true, these things don't come out of thin air.

This is purely anetodal, but from the people I have spoken with it is quite high. But OP this is truly Un-PC in todays world
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Then it shows how little you know mathetes. Google is your friend and many psychological studies have been performed.

What I find very Un-PC in my world is ignorance.
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Same sex attraction is usually something people are born with, just like being straight. The question posed by this thread is as ridiculous as saying being straight is due to being being sexually abused as children. As usual, the subtext of the question implies that same sex attraction is somehow wrong or bad by using false information to create ridiculous stereotypes in peoples minds that dehumanise gay people. Nazi's did the same thing to Jewish people, gypsies, etc.
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My opinion is a person chose to be homosexual before they were born to know that particular experience in life.
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Ying/yang in one body. They could be "bodhisatvas" or old souls. Many "shamans" were psychics.
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It would appear that the majority of the responses so far are from religious fundamentalists

How can you tell?

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There seems to be a mindset among a significant portion of GLP participants that religious fundamentalists are narrow-minded and can't or won't discuss unfamiliar ideas rationally, and instead tend to condemn some things with a knee-jerk dismissal and/or self-righteous derision. My apologies if the shoe doesn't fit as I had initially suspected.
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I can't believe people think homosexualism is something "natural"

Some Questions;
- WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF SEX?
A: TO PROCREATE!!
- CAN YOU HAVE CHILDREN STICKING YOUR PENIS IN ANOTHER GUY ASSHOLE FULL OF SHIT?
A: NO!!
- CAN YOU GET A LOT OF DISEASES BY STICKING YOUR PENIS IN A HOLE FULL OF SHIT?
A: YES!!!

USE YOUR COMMON SENSE PEOPLE!!!
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I think if you were to look at the numbers would see that the reason people become homosexuals is because they were abused, raped as kids, and that wires their sexuality in the opposite direction. Has there been studies on this? I would wager it is true, these things don't come out of thin air.

This is purely anetodal, but from the people I have spoken with it is quite high. But OP this is truly Un-PC in todays world

Then it shows how little you know mathetes. Google is your friend and many psychological studies have been performed.

What I find very Un-PC in my world is ignorance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 307141

Are these the same psychologists and psychological studies that classified homosexuality as a perversion and disease until the 1970's? Up until 1992 the World Health Organization categorized homosexuality as a mental illness. Why the changes? I contend pressure from homosexual groups and how many psychologists are homosexual who conduct these studies? Are these not valid questions?
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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I think if you were to look at the numbers would see that the reason people become homosexuals is because they were abused, raped as kids, and that wires their sexuality in the opposite direction. Has there been studies on this? I would wager it is true, these things don't come out of thin air.

This is purely anetodal, but from the people I have spoken with it is quite high. But OP this is truly Un-PC in todays world

Then it shows how little you know mathetes. Google is your friend and many psychological studies have been performed.

What I find very Un-PC in my world is ignorance.

Are these the same psychologists and psychological studies that classified homosexuality as a perversion and disease until the 1970's? Up until 1992 the World Health Organization categorized homosexuality as a mental illness. Why the changes? I contend pressure from homosexual groups and how many psychologists are homosexual who conduct these studies? Are these not valid questions?
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I find it a very valid question. Anyone ever read 1984? Wasnt the main characters job in the ministry of information to change facts to suit the purpose of the people in power?
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I think if you were to look at the numbers would see that the reason people become homosexuals is because they were abused,
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Homosexuals are BORN that way, it's a genetic thing, their brains are wired differently from heterosexuals.
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Well, considering these statistics, I would say a good number of children who are sexually abused do not become homosexual.
* 1 in 4 girls is sexually abused before the age of 18.
* 1 in 6 boys is sexually abused before the age of 18.
* 1 in 5 children are solicited sexually while on the internet.
* Nearly 70% of all reported sexual assaults (including assaults on adults) occur to children ages 17 and under.
* An estimated 39 million survivors of childhood sexual abuse exist in America today.

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I think if you were to look at the numbers would see that the reason people become homosexuals is because they were abused, raped as kids, and that wires their sexuality in the opposite direction. Has there been studies on this? I would wager it is true, these things don't come out of thin air.

This is purely anetodal, but from the people I have spoken with it is quite high. But OP this is truly Un-PC in todays world

Then it shows how little you know mathetes. Google is your friend and many psychological studies have been performed.

What I find very Un-PC in my world is ignorance.

Are these the same psychologists and psychological studies that classified homosexuality as a perversion and disease until the 1970's? Up until 1992 the World Health Organization categorized homosexuality as a mental illness. Why the changes? I contend pressure from homosexual groups and how many psychologists are homosexual who conduct these studies? Are these not valid questions?


I find it a very valid question. Anyone ever read 1984? Wasnt the main characters job in the ministry of information to change facts to suit the purpose of the people in power?
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Basically rewriting history.
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Well it seems that in the GLP data profiling log they should add homosexuals, manic depressives, schizophrenics, paranoids ,etc., to the list of MENTAL DISEASES of the users that frequent this kind of websites. For marketing purposes only, you will add STUPID too if you think the government will waste a penny keeping track of a bunch of harmless loonies like you guys
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I have looked at those stats. They were among the questions asked by both Masters and Johnson and Kinsey when they did their reports on human sexuality. There is not greater chance for a homosexual male to have been molested as a child than there is for a heterosexual male to have been.

There is no correlation between being molested and being gay...

NONE.

But there is some evidence that many lesbian women were molested as young girls or young women. Often by fathers or uncles or step fathers. This of course could easily make it impossible for her to trust any man who comes near her later on in life. It seems that the bond between father and daughter and it's impact on a woman's sexuality is far greater than the same bond is on males and their future sexual identity. Don't know why? But the stats are pretty clear that the prevalence of being a female victim of child sexual abuse (and any contact sexually with an adult when one is under 12 years of age is automatically categorized as "ABUSE" whether or not violence or force was involved. The theory is that a person under 12 years of age cannot possibly give truly "informed consent" and in the absence of consent the encounter is automatically labeled as an abusive one.)

Many young men report that if they were sodomized in their teens that they feel guilty about it, and feel unsure of their own maleness for decades to come. Scientists have speculated that this is due to male anatomy being as it is. The insertion of a penis into the anus is probably going to bring (the penis) into contact with the prostate gland. If this happens, the young man being sodomized is going to experience extreme pleasure and may well ejaculate. If he does not know or understand his own physiology then he may be guilt ridden about this experience and feel ashamed because he erroneously interprets as being an indication of his wanting this or desiring to be sodomized when in fact it is nothing more than a new, and here-to-fore unknown (to him) physical response to the stimulation of a penis bumping agianst his prostate gland while inside his rectum.

Maybe the above is a bit too much info for some of you. But the facts are the facts. This how men are built and there is no denial of it. When these young guys find themselves being penetrated in any circumstance - be in willing participation or a forced act, they have the same physical response and to most it is quite shocking to say the least. If it's a forced act ,and they ejactulate and it feels good, then the guy is left with this self-doubt and there's generally no one around to tell him or explain to him what has really happened and why he should not fear it or blame himself for his body reacting the way that it did.

Life really is a banquet - and truly - most poor sucker are starving! Enjoy the ride baby.
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I think if you were to look at the numbers would see that the reason people become homosexuals is because they were abused,


Homosexuals are BORN that way, it's a genetic thing, their brains are wired differently from heterosexuals.
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Yea, that's right, repeat like a parrot what the MEDIA has told you, Good boy, here, take a cracker.....
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Re: what percentage of homosexuals have been molested / raped as children?
Well, considering these statistics, I would say a good number of children who are sexually abused do not become homosexual.
* 1 in 4 girls is sexually abused before the age of 18.
* 1 in 6 boys is sexually abused before the age of 18.
* 1 in 5 children are solicited sexually while on the internet.
* Nearly 70% of all reported sexual assaults (including assaults on adults) occur to children ages 17 and under.
* An estimated 39 million survivors of childhood sexual abuse exist in America today.

[link to www.darkness2light.org]
 Quoting: 2XSecretAgent

No one is saying ALL children who are molested become homosexual, btw those numbers are very disturbing and sad
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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My opinion is a person chose to be homosexual before they were born to know that particular experience in life.

Ying/yang in one body. They could be "bodhisatvas" or old souls. Many "shamans" were psychics.
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And in many many indignious tribes a homosexual person was revered and of course there is this:

"Indian mythology is full of instances where people (read Gods) change gender at will, often for sexual purposes, to satisfy another person, political reasons, or even ego-directed reasons. Lord Krishna did it, and even the sagely Brahma is known to have taken the female form, but then that is not in the purview of homosexuality. The only thing these instances serve to highlight is that sex, change of sex or sexual behaviors was never taboo in ancient India. India, and indeed, most cultures of the East, was very accepting in these matters. While love for a man for a boy was institutionalized in ancient Greece, the Arab culture makes no distinction between sex with a woman and sexual relations with a boy. Arab medieval travelers claim, 'women were for home and hearth, while boys were for pleasure'. These cultures offer no synonym for same-sex intercourse, it was not even a practice that needed separate identification. In ancient India, however, things were much more organized. We today have temple carvings, treatises, books and of course, ancient law books to turn to. "
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it is only in recent history that Homosexuality has been condemned probably more due to the popularity of the Jewish Septuagant (Jewish Law) which was melded with Xianity. Also one of the greatet warriors in history, Alexander the great, was gay, and the Roman army promoted relations between men. Ancient Greeks thought nothing of relatons between men. Also homosexulatity in Arab countries (based on an NPR report on a new documentary about the subject) is also only recently condemned by Islam...but it's still there.
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I find it hard to believe that all homosexuals throughout history were abused as children.
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I have looked at those stats. They were among the questions asked by both Masters and Johnson and Kinsey when they did their reports on human sexuality. There is not greater chance for a homosexual male to have been molested as a child than there is for a heterosexual male to have been.

There is no correlation between being molested and being gay...

NONE.

But there is some evidence that many lesbian women were molested as young girls or young women. Often by fathers or uncles or step fathers. This of course could easily make it impossible for her to trust any man who comes near her later on in life. It seems that the bond between father and daughter and it's impact on a woman's sexuality is far greater than the same bond is on males and their future sexual identity. Don't know why? But the stats are pretty clear that the prevalence of being a female victim of child sexual abuse (and any contact sexually with an adult when one is under 12 years of age is automatically categorized as "ABUSE" whether or not violence or force was involved. The theory is that a person under 12 years of age cannot possibly give truly "informed consent" and in the absence of consent the encounter is automatically labeled as an abusive one.)

Many young men report that if they were sodomized in their teens that they feel guilty about it, and feel unsure of their own maleness for decades to come. Scientists have speculated that this is due to male anatomy being as it is. The insertion of a penis into the anus is probably going to bring (the penis) into contact with the prostate gland. If this happens, the young man being sodomized is going to experience extreme pleasure and may well ejaculate. If he does not know or understand his own physiology then he may be guilt ridden about this experience and feel ashamed because he erroneously interprets as being an indication of his wanting this or desiring to be sodomized when in fact it is nothing more than a new, and here-to-fore unknown (to him) physical response to the stimulation of a penis bumping agianst his prostate gland while inside his rectum.

Maybe the above is a bit too much info for some of you. But the facts are the facts. This how men are built and there is no denial of it. When these young guys find themselves being penetrated in any circumstance - be in willing participation or a forced act, they have the same physical response and to most it is quite shocking to say the least. If it's a forced act ,and they ejactulate and it feels good, then the guy is left with this self-doubt and there's generally no one around to tell him or explain to him what has really happened and why he should not fear it or blame himself for his body reacting the way that it did.

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Kinsey also believed that children were predisposed to
sexual activity from the moment of birth and that adult-child sex was natural and ok. So anything that fraud says is suspect
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Re: what percentage of homosexuals have been molested / raped as children?
Well, considering these statistics, I would say a good number of children who are sexually abused do not become homosexual.
* 1 in 4 girls is sexually abused before the age of 18.
* 1 in 6 boys is sexually abused before the age of 18.
* 1 in 5 children are solicited sexually while on the internet.
* Nearly 70% of all reported sexual assaults (including assaults on adults) occur to children ages 17 and under.
* An estimated 39 million survivors of childhood sexual abuse exist in America today.

[link to www.darkness2light.org]

No one is saying ALL children who are molested become homosexual, btw those numbers are very disturbing and sad
 Quoting: mathetes

True, we would need to find similar statistics for homosexuals and see if more than 1 in 4 lesbians and more than 1 in 6 gay males, have been sexually abused.
I don't have any links or facts in hand, but I don't think there is a higher prevalence of abuse in homosexuals. You will probably find similar rates of abuse across the board.
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Homosexuals are BORN that way, it's a genetic thing, their brains are wired differently from heterosexuals.
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AGAIN!!! PLEASE PEOPLE USE YOUR COMMON SENSE!! is unbelievable we are discussing this, next will be the pedophiles, "is not their fault, they were born that way", or "in some cultures pedophilia is higjly accepted", C'mon!!
I can't believe people think homosexualism is something "natural"

Some Questions;
- WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF SEX?
A: TO PROCREATE!!
- CAN YOU HAVE CHILDREN STICKING YOUR PENIS IN ANOTHER GUY ASSHOLE FULL OF SHIT?
A: NO!!
- CAN YOU GET A LOT OF DISEASES BY STICKING YOUR PENIS IN A HOLE FULL OF SHIT?
A: YES!!!

USE YOUR COMMON SENSE PEOPLE!!!
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Homosexuals are BORN that way, it's a genetic thing, their brains are wired differently from heterosexuals.



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"Italian geneticists may have explained how genes apparently linked to male homosexuality survive, despite gay men seldom having children. Their findings also undermine the theory of a single “gay gene”."...."Camperio-Ciani's team questioned 98 gay and 100 straight men about their closest relatives - 4600 people in total. They found that female relatives of gay men had more children on average than the female relatives of straight men. But the effect was only seen on their mother’s side of the family.

Mothers of gay men produced an average of 2.7 babies compared with 2.3 born to mothers of straight men. And maternal aunts of gay men had 2.0 babies compared with 1.5 born to the maternal aunts of straight men.

“This is a novel finding," says Simon LeVay, a neuroscientist and commentator on sexuality at Stanford University in California. “We think of it as genes for ‘male homosexuality’, but it might really be genes for sexual attraction to men. These could predispose men towards homosexuality and women towards ‘hyper-heterosexuality’, causing women to have more sex with men and thus have more offspring.”

[link to media.newscientist.com]

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