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PBS: Expose on Christian Zionism - Bill Moyers

 
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It was CHILLING! Try to locate a copy if you can.

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BILL MOYERS JOURNAL PROFILES CHRISTIANS UNITED FOR ISRAEL
EXAMINES PASTOR HAGEE’S CALL FOR STRIKE AGAINST IRAN


NEW YORK, NY October 4, 2007 Friday night on PBS, Bill Moyers Journal reports on the politically powerful group Christians United for Israel (CUFI), whose leader, Pastor John Hagee, advocates for a preemptive strike against Iran.

When 50 million evangelical bible-believing Christians unite with five million American Jews standing together on behalf of Israel, it is a match made in heaven, says Hagee. It is time for America to consider a military preemptive strike against Iran to prevent a nuclear holocaust in Israel and a nuclear attack in America. To preview a short clip:

[link to www.youtube.com]

The report is followed by an interview led by Moyers with Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor of Tikkun, a Jewish journal of politics, culture, and spirituality, and Dr. Timothy P. Weber, an evangelical Christian, historian, and author of On The Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend. Lerner and Weber provide theological and political context behind CUFI’s mission and Hagee’s statements.

This is one group in a long line of similar groups that began to organize in the late '70s and early '80s which combined a firm belief of Bible prophecy and a particular political agenda that has gained more and more power as the years have gone on, says Weber.

There are an awful lot of people who genuinely care about Jews; decent good people in this movement who, unfortunately, are being manipulated for a political agenda, says Lerner. That isnot at all in the best interests of the Jewish people or in the best interest of Israel.

The Bill Moyers Journal report on CUFI airs Friday, October 5 at 9 p.m. on PBS (check local listings). The episode will be available online immediately following the broadcast at www.pbs.org/moyers.

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Hagey is either having a glandular problem or he is taking part in one of the seven deadly sins.GLUTTONY
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You can bet they will be promoting it not exposing the errors of, you would need to tune into 3ABN for that.
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It was a very good expose. The first 1/2 hour was watching John Hagee spew from the pulpit featuring some surprising political figures like McCain and Gingrich.

The closing was an interview with two level headed people - a baptist and presbyterian theologian and Rabbi Lerner.

Thank God for the last two people cause we have a serious problem folks!
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The report is followed by an interview led by Moyers with Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor of Tikkun, a Jewish journal of politics, culture, and spirituality, and Dr. Timothy P. Weber, an evangelical Christian, historian, and author of On The Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend. Lerner and Weber provide theological and political context behind CUFI’s mission and Hagee’s statements.
 Quoting: ButchHowdy

How did evangelicals become Israel's best friend?

And can somebody explain this Armageddon stuff?
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Did anyone else hear Joe Bidden say he was

a zionist, on TV? Look for jewville to get behind Bidden.

"I'm a zionist, you don't have to be jewish to be a zionist"
~joe bidden~
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God brought Israel back, just like He said He would. A nation born in a day. Too many miracles for it to be a coincidence. I don't think everything Israel does is right, because they are back in unbelief. But it is God's will, and they will eventually claim Jesus Christ as their Messiah. That is enough to make me a supporter of Israel.
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Hagee claims to be a Christian, but teaches that Jews need not be converted to Christianity. He calls that a "dual covenant." I'd say that makes Hagee a hypocrite.
"Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis." Karl Denninger

Don't blame me; I voted for Ron Paul.


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The report is followed by an interview led by Moyers with Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor of Tikkun, a Jewish journal of politics, culture, and spirituality, and Dr. Timothy P. Weber, an evangelical Christian, historian, and author of On The Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend. Lerner and Weber provide theological and political context behind CUFI’s mission and Hagee’s statements.

How did evangelicals become Israel's best friend?

And can somebody explain this Armageddon stuff?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 91985


I believe it is part of a 150 year old Zionist agenda that gained momentum with Oxford University sponsoring Cyrus Scofield's CORRUPTED study bible which became a staple in the Assemblies of God by 1910, then off to the Dallas Theological Seminary which was a breeding ground for many of the Who's Who in Evangelica today.

Genesis 12:3 is where they get their basis - the infamous "I will bless those who bless you and curse those . . . " The Ziochristians say God is talking to Israel but God is talking to Abram and his SPIRITUAL seed.

I personally don't believe in the Armegeddon Scenario. The Revelation of Jesus Christ IS The Revelation of Jesus Christ and it's all good!
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Zio-Bill repeated that "ahmadinejad said 'Israel should be wiped from the map'" crap--mistranslation, at best--but Bill surely doesn't speak Farsi, so he relied on the MEMRI-Hagee translation--how convenient.
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God brought Israel back, just like He said He would. A nation born in a day. Too many miracles for it to be a coincidence. I don't think everything Israel does is right, because they are back in unbelief. But it is God's will, and they will eventually claim Jesus Christ as their Messiah. That is enough to make me a supporter of Israel.
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Please name ONE miracle.
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God brought Israel back, just like He said He would. A nation born in a day. Too many miracles for it to be a coincidence. I don't think everything Israel does is right, because they are back in unbelief. But it is God's will, and they will eventually claim Jesus Christ as their Messiah. That is enough to make me a supporter of Israel.


Please name ONE miracle.
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That Truman took the bribe and "recognized" the new "state of israel" in thirty seconds ?
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That Truman took the bribe and "recognized" the new "state of israel" in thirty seconds ?
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Oh man, that made my sides hurt!
"Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis." Karl Denninger

Don't blame me; I voted for Ron Paul.


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1 Chronicles 5:2 indicated that the birthright of Israel belonged to Joseph's sons Ephraim and Manassah and they vanished with the dispersion.

That didn't mean the name Israel was up for grabs. It was stolen and usurped, sort of as if a New York Yankee decided to use the #3 or #7 on his uniform today.

Yes there will be a NEW Israel and a NEW Jerusalem but is has nothing to do with a dusty old desert
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Hagee claims to be a Christian, but teaches that Jews need not be converted to Christianity. He calls that a "dual covenant." I'd say that makes Hagee a hypocrite.
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He sounds more like a heretic than a hypocrite if he said that. It sounds like he thinks that ideologcal expediency is more important than spiritual salvation.
Let the truth be your religion.
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What ever happened to the verse in the Bible ,,,when Christ died the curtain was torn down the middle and all bets are off?
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What ever happened to the verse in the Bible ,,,when Christ died the curtain was torn down the middle and all bets are off?
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Verse is still there . . . It means one can go directly to God without a Levitical or Aaronic priest.

But most people still prefer having their spiritual food pre-chewed for them.
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How did evangelicals become Israel's best friend?
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Money and stealth Jews who changed their name and pretend to be Christians.

And can somebody explain this Armageddon stuff?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 91985
after the Jews took over they changed the biblical teaching to Pre-millinieum rapture. That convinced the christians they didn't need to stand up to evil because it was god's will that there would be a WW111 and the Christians were obligated to help god get it started because god is too weak to do it all himself. Then these idiot christians will be rewarded by god by being "raptured" into heaven when the the war starts. So the Christians get it started but don't have to suffer because god takes them to heaven before they have to suffer. Of course the Christians don't give a rats ass that you and me will suffer and die because of the war they started.

The truth is there is no such thing as pre-millinium rapture. God does not need anyones help to get Armageddon started. In fact if you think god is weak and cannot do his will without the Christians forcing it then you have no faith in god and thus will not get anywhere close to heaven.

They are decieved and will be punished for blindly supporting a fake isreal who is ruled by Saten. It is so bad that the christians cheered when Israel bombed the Christians in lebanon. That type of evil be be punished severely by god not rewarded.
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I watched that show last night. I love Bill Moyers.

It was quite frightening and I cried the entire time watching those "christians" who are trying to push us into WWIII. These people are dangerous, not only to the US, but the world.

His last segment profiled the Amish community that lost their little girls and how they opened up to the killer's family. I cried again, particularly watching the "mainstream christians" who couldn't understand their forgiveness.

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It will be interesting to see if the far-religious-right carries out to their plan to split the republican party if it doesn't choose a candidate that's crazy enough for their taste. You know. One like president cucoobananas.

They won't throw their support behind Mike Huckabee (who's actually an evangelical minister) because he's not hateful enough -- he actually cares about poor people and the environment.

The way I see it, the repub party has two choices: let the religious right continue to dictate their policy, thus becoming irrelevant in a few years (I truly think the repub party will die out if they continue to let these fascists have such influence).

Or they can stand up to them, which will save the party in the long run, but will cause a democratic win in 2008.

I hope and pray they stand up to them. I miss my repub friends who actually believed in science and knowledge, who could give me a good debate on issues without throwing jesus into the mix.
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God brought Israel back, just like He said He would. A nation born in a day. Too many miracles for it to be a coincidence. I don't think everything Israel does is right, because they are back in unbelief. But it is God's will, and they will eventually claim Jesus Christ as their Messiah. That is enough to make me a supporter of Israel.
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God didn't bring Israel back. Rothschild did.

He who has the gold makes the rules
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The report is followed by an interview led by Moyers with Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor of Tikkun, a Jewish journal of politics, culture, and spirituality, and Dr. Timothy P. Weber, an evangelical Christian, historian, and author of On The Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend. Lerner and Weber provide theological and political context behind CUFI’s mission and Hagee’s statements.

How did evangelicals become Israel's best friend?

And can somebody explain this Armageddon stuff?


I believe it is part of a 150 year old Zionist agenda that gained momentum with Oxford University sponsoring Cyrus Scofield's CORRUPTED study bible which became a staple in the Assemblies of God by 1910, then off to the Dallas Theological Seminary which was a breeding ground for many of the Who's Who in Evangelica today.

Genesis 12:3 is where they get their basis - the infamous "I will bless those who bless you and curse those . . . " The Ziochristians say God is talking to Israel but God is talking to Abram and his SPIRITUAL seed.

I personally don't believe in the Armegeddon Scenario. The Revelation of Jesus Christ IS The Revelation of Jesus Christ and it's all good!
 Quoting: ButchHowdy


Make a long term plan. Publish predictions. Make them happen. Claim prophecy. You can definitely fool a lot of people a lot of the time, Just read threads on GLP.
Belief is the Enemy of Truth
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How did evangelicals become Israel's best friend?
Money and stealth Jews who changed their name and pretend to be Christians.

And can somebody explain this Armageddon stuff?
after the Jews took over they changed the biblical teaching to Pre-millinieum rapture. That convinced the christians they didn't need to stand up to evil because it was god's will that there would be a WW111 and the Christians were obligated to help god get it started because god is too weak to do it all himself. Then these idiot christians will be rewarded by god by being "raptured" into heaven when the the war starts. So the Christians get it started but don't have to suffer because god takes them to heaven before they have to suffer. Of course the Christians don't give a rats ass that you and me will suffer and die because of the war they started.

The truth is there is no such thing as pre-millinium rapture. God does not need anyones help to get Armageddon started. In fact if you think god is weak and cannot do his will without the Christians forcing it then you have no faith in god and thus will not get anywhere close to heaven.

They are decieved and will be punished for blindly supporting a fake isreal who is ruled by Saten. It is so bad that the christians cheered when Israel bombed the Christians in lebanon. That type of evil be be punished severely by god not rewarded.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 303980


A lot of Christians got raptured in the Jewish Soviet Gulags.
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Hagee and that whole bunch frighten me,,,Israel firsters and world war 111,,,,woo we ,,,,,,everything down the drain and they be loving it.........
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Hagee divorced his first wife and married his secretary. Didn't JC forbid divorce? BTW he makes a million dollars a year, selling stuff that Jesus gave away for free.

If you follow this shallow greedy hypocrite, you have to be demented.
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God brought Israel back, just like He said He would. A nation born in a day. Too many miracles for it to be a coincidence. I don't think everything Israel does is right, because they are back in unbelief. But it is God's will, and they will eventually claim Jesus Christ as their Messiah. That is enough to make me a supporter of Israel.
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Wrong! God did not bring Israel back. The combined forces of evil did. Orthodox Jews do not believe they have a right to Israel as long as there are Jewish people not following Torah. This is written. Israel was brought to being by the pedophile cults that pose as religions and control most of the worlds banks. They want to rebuild the temple so they can defile it, again. Ever wonder why Orthodox Jews don't serve in the Israeli Army?
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The report is followed by an interview led by Moyers with Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor of Tikkun, a Jewish journal of politics, culture, and spirituality, and Dr. Timothy P. Weber, an evangelical Christian, historian, and author of On The Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend. Lerner and Weber provide theological and political context behind CUFI’s mission and Hagee’s statements.

How did evangelicals become Israel's best friend?

And can somebody explain this Armageddon stuff?


I believe it is part of a 150 year old Zionist agenda that gained momentum with Oxford University sponsoring Cyrus Scofield's CORRUPTED study bible which became a staple in the Assemblies of God by 1910, then off to the Dallas Theological Seminary which was a breeding ground for many of the Who's Who in Evangelica today.

Genesis 12:3 is where they get their basis - the infamous "I will bless those who bless you and curse those . . . " The Ziochristians say God is talking to Israel but God is talking to Abram and his SPIRITUAL seed.

I personally don't believe in the Armegeddon Scenario. The Revelation of Jesus Christ IS The Revelation of Jesus Christ and it's all good!
 Quoting: ButchHowdy



agree with you about the dispensationists-goes back further than that. (but matt. 24 has not been fulfilled yet~)
one body, neither jew, nor gentile

-please check out the thread on the templars and the vatican-

the pope just forgave the templars. the templars have the temple relics. so many groups i don't know what to call them for just one name- want to reinstate temple ritual, law, and soon a new - messiah. talk for years of israel and the plo having the un give 'special authority' over jerusalem to the pope~
also ties into da vinci code, cloning, resurrection-ascention, etc.

just remember most of the christians who follow what is in this tv program have no clue-they would never support this if they knew. also the zionists were/are secular-not the jewish people.

a massacre is planned as shown on the masons denver airport murals. not just jews this time, many more...'left behind' how would anyone know...? like sheep to the slaughter, the wolves have entered in.

there is a war going on - eph.6
what i am saying is not just conspiracy-i am blood to someone who is on the 'other side' high as i've seen written about and then went and became a preacher. that's chilling.
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God brought Israel back, just like He said He would. A nation born in a day. Too many miracles for it to be a coincidence. I don't think everything Israel does is right, because they are back in unbelief. But it is God's will, and they will eventually claim Jesus Christ as their Messiah. That is enough to make me a supporter of Israel.

Wrong! God did not bring Israel back. The combined forces of evil did. Orthodox Jews do not believe they have a right to Israel as long as there are Jewish people not following Torah. This is written. Israel was brought to being by the pedophile cults that pose as religions and control most of the worlds banks. They want to rebuild the temple so they can defile it, again. Ever wonder why Orthodox Jews don't serve in the Israeli Army?
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yes, torah only jews believe that they are in diaspora. ya has not forgotten them (romans)


a people or a country is not 'israel' or 'babylon'-
by your heart he sees you...come out of her my people...

some are over there and he will preserve them at petra.
some elsewhere.
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How did evangelicals become Israel's best friend?
Money and stealth Jews who changed their name and pretend to be Christians.

And can somebody explain this Armageddon stuff?
after the Jews took over they changed the biblical teaching to Pre-millinieum rapture. That convinced the christians they didn't need to stand up to evil because it was god's will that there would be a WW111 and the Christians were obligated to help god get it started because god is too weak to do it all himself. Then these idiot christians will be rewarded by god by being "raptured" into heaven when the the war starts. So the Christians get it started but don't have to suffer because god takes them to heaven before they have to suffer. Of course the Christians don't give a rats ass that you and me will suffer and die because of the war they started.

The truth is there is no such thing as pre-millinium rapture. God does not need anyones help to get Armageddon started. In fact if you think god is weak and cannot do his will without the Christians forcing it then you have no faith in god and thus will not get anywhere close to heaven.

They are decieved and will be punished for blindly supporting a fake isreal who is ruled by Saten. It is so bad that the christians cheered when Israel bombed the Christians in lebanon. That type of evil be be punished severely by god not rewarded.


A lot of Christians got raptured in the Jewish Soviet Gulags.
 Quoting: rodin


by atheists. and i think you're getting ready for another try...from all the foam-at-the-mouth hate around here.
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GOD exiled the jews...because they made money their god
He told them to stay out of the "holy lands" until Messiah called them back

the Zionists ignore God...and have re established Israel via genocide of their brothers and sisters

the jews KNOW better than to cross God
the zionist are not practicing the jewish religion
Israel is an abomdination to God

do not be fooled by the zionists...read your scriptures and do not support the nation of Israel, or you will reap what they have sown.

Know ye the tree by the fruit there of...Israel is evil

wake up christians, zionists are against everything jewish.
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A lot of Christians got raptured in the Jewish Soviet Gulags.


by atheists. and i think you're getting ready for another try...from all the foam-at-the-mouth hate around here.
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Actually, it's quite pithy.

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