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Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 240181
10/8/2007 3:46 AM
Report abusive post | Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds
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Ed's been "dissappeared" just like they did in the Soviet Union and like they do today in China.
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[link to makethestand.com]
We would like everyone who can to give the U.S. Marshal's office in New Hampshire a call and ask them to locate Ed. Ask why Ed has not been handed over to to the Federal Bureau of Prisons yet. Ask them how Ed is being treated, if he has been hospitalized, if he's still alive even (we have no way of knowing), if he is being submitted to "diesel therapy" as described in the last post we made.
Take down names, employee numbers, dates/times to reference the call, whatever you can to have a record! DEMAND for answers! They've got Ed like they always wanted, why isn't he handed over to the prison? WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO HIM? HOW IS HE BEING TREATED?!?!
We don't and can't give legal advice of any kind. We believe it may be perfectly "legal" or lawful to record your conversations with the Marshal's office if you tell them that you are recording. If you do, you can send us the sound file or post it on the Internet somewhere.
WE NEED A RECORD. Please read the story below about former Congressman George Hansen to see what we mean by diesel therapy!!!.
U.S. Marshall''s office 603-225-1632
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We think we may have located Elaine:
[link to bop.gov]
We still show that Ed is "NOT IN BOP (BUREAU OF PRISONS) CUSTODY"
Could Ed be currently subjected to "Diesel therapy" or some other form of torture? It's EASY to torture prisoners through purposeful neglect and mistreatment.
[link to www.uwsa.com]
Excerpt:
The harassment and torture that befell Congressman Hansen came from prison officials, in the form of neglect for serious medical problems and health hazards in the prison work place. The torture also came from the Federal Marshals who cruelly transported him from one prison to another.
Political prisoners (ED: Political prisoners? In America?? You betcha!!!) and those who are considered trouble makers arc given what prisoners call, "diesel therapy". "Diesel therapy" consists of being put on diesel busses or airplanes and being transported from prison to prison for weeks and months at a time (ED: ALL at the expense of the taxpayers!).
On the surface it sounds benign. What could be the problem with making a prisoner ride in a bus for hours at a time?
Torture American Style
Before the prisoner is put on the bus, he is put in handcuffs and shackles (leg irons). The handcuffs are tightened by a black box that stiffens the chains and puts the wrists in a 90 degree bind that painfully cuts circulation and damages the nerves. It takes several weeks for the circulation and nerves to return to normal. The handcuffs are connected with chains to a waist chain, which is in turn connected by another chain to the shackles which go around the ankles The prisoner can barely move once the shackling process is complete.
He is then placed in a small seat on a bus or airplane. (ED: George Hansen is a BIG man, standing well over 6'-3" and -- before his ordeal -- tipping the scales at well over 220 pounds.) Because of the shackles, the prisoner is forced to sit in one position for up to 20 hours at a time. And the guards will rarely go to the trouble of unshackling a prisoner. Prisoners who understand "diesel therapy" know that "fasting" is the only way to handle the ordeal without messing or wetting yourself.
But even those who are smart enough to abstain from food and drink, still have to suffer the stench of urine and feces which soon fills the bus or plane.
One other painful aspect of diesel therapy is the shoes that prisoners are forced to wear. They become too small. The cramped position and tight shackles cause the feet and ankles to swell. The shackles cut into the legs and cut off circulation. The blood pools in the feet and causes the feet to swell. The toes are forced up against the tops of the too small shoes, and unbelievable pressure is put on the toenails. The toenails soon become deformed, infected and painful.
Each day the metal shackles are put back onto raw and infected legs before the prisoner boards the bus. After weeks and months of diesel therapy, the ankles and shins have raw, infected and open wounds that will not heal.
Hour after hour, the prisoner sits in a cramped & painful position, with shackles cutting into already infected, raw flesh. Arthritis and bursitis compound the misery of the prisoners. The ingrown, infected toenails, which are jammed inside of purposely small shoes, cripple the prisoner to the point that he can barely walk or move when he is finally released from the shackles.
During the weeks and months of diesel therapy, the prisoner is out of contact with the rest of the world. In the case of Congressman Hansen, his wife did not know if he was dead or alive. His lawyer could not find him and therefore could not file court papers on time. Even the members of congress who were still trying to help him, could not locate him. During his diesel therapy" he disappeared into the black hole dug and run by the United States Marshals.
After "diesel therapy", Hansen was forced to operate on his feet himself. His toenails were so deformed that they pointed straight up. He could not wear shoes without excruciating pain. The only remedy that was open to him was to pull the toenails out by the roots. Our prisoners of war in SE Asia had their fingernails and toenails pulled out by their torturers. Congressman Hansen had to become his own torturer in an effort to stop the pain.
Several weeks ago, Congressman Hansen was testifying before his former colleagues in the House of Representatives. He told the story of his trip into Iran during the Iran hostage crisis in 1979. He was the only United States official to get into Iran to try to negotiate an end to the crisis.
While he was there, he was shown the horrible human suffering that was inflicted upon the Iranian people by the Shah of Iran and his secret police.
He told his former colleagues about the horrors of the Shah's torture chambers. Ankles that had been smashed by heavy clubs. Legs that had been smashed and permanently scarred. Hands and feet that had no nails because they were repeatedly pulled out.
Then he stood up and walked around in front of his table. Leaning lightly on the table, he pulled up his pant leg and showed his former colleagues the raw, red scars on his own legs -- scars that stretched many inches, from his ankles up his shin bones. He told his former colleagues about his toenails, which have never grown back properly. He ended his "show and tell" session by informing the House that they did not have to travel to foreign countries to witness torture. All they had to do is visit any American prison and they would quickly find the effects of purposeful abuse and neglect on certain prisoners.
If his former colleagues have any sense, they will quickly reform the prison system, before any more of them end up there.
The scars on his legs and the lack of toenails were minor problems for Hansen. The major pain came from his teeth and deteriorating bones. These problems came from hazardous chemicals he was forced to work around during his job assignment in the prison power plant. The chemicals caused his bones to weaken and his teeth to become infected and turn to mush. (ED: Where oh where is OSHA and the EPA when ya' REALLY need 'em?). The pain' of abscessed teeth was unbearable. To be able to function each day, without even an aspirin to dull the pain, he picked up a plastic cap used to splice electric wires. He placed the cap in the infected area and bit down on it all day and night.
During his four years in prison, he lost most of his teeth through willful neglect on the part of the prison officials.
Hansen was forced to sell his homes in Virginia and Idaho. Everything he and his wife had accumulated during years of hard work went to lawyers or to pay the fine. Even though his retirement was not supposed to be touched, through some nefarious deal, it was tapped to pay fines, thereby denying his wife the means to live. She was approaching sixty, had a heart condition and diabetes, but she was put out of her home and didn't even have the money to rent an apartment. With the help of their children and a job, she just barely made ends meet until Hansen was released.
They are now in their 60s and they are starting over with nothing. He still has health problems associated with prison life, and still needs further dental work. He drives a leased Honda and lives with his wife in a rented apartment in Pocatello, Idaho. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 284299
10/8/2007 3:56 AM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
Jesus. Who is this Congressman Hansen?
Who are the atty's for the Browns? |
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Forever_Midnight
User ID: 305947
10/8/2007 3:59 AM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
Who are the atty's for the Browns? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 284299
Who can find out? This seems like the first step.
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In my mouth taste bitter sands —
Grass is burning, pulse is slow —
Drip by drip my backwards growth —
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 309493
10/8/2007 4:02 AM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
Jesus. Who is this Congressman Hansen?
Who are the atty's for the Browns? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 284299
I feel for all US citizens. I hope enough people can get on the phone or email congress in order to stop torture. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 272925
10/8/2007 4:02 AM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
When did this happen and why did they put him in the prison system...what did he do against the government. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 299632
10/8/2007 4:03 AM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 284299
10/8/2007 4:04 AM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
Okay, I read the link on Hansen. I remember him.
Where the hell is Ed Brown??? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 284299
10/8/2007 4:04 AM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
When did this happen and why did they put him in the prison system...what did he do against the government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 272925
Spoke up against the IRS! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 309493
10/8/2007 4:05 AM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 299632
Insensitive a***le. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 284299
10/8/2007 6:56 AM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 203126
10/8/2007 7:33 AM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
They are given him the Padilla treatment, soon he won't even be able to make a coherent statement. Shame on any American that is a part of system that treats another human that way. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 309541
10/8/2007 8:19 AM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
Man that operation must have cost $ tens of mills
all those feds, 24 hr guard nite and day
Ed and Eliane must have been holed up for at least 2 1/2 months |
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Grafted Promise
User ID: 309627
10/8/2007 12:00 PM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
Bumping for Ed and wife! |
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^TrInItY^  
Forum Administrator
10/8/2007 12:02 PM
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the guy had his property rigged with IEDS
he;s probably being held as a terrorist now
Few will listen,
Of the few who listen, fewer still will understand,
Understanding does not mean believe,
Of the handful who believe, most may not know what to do,
Those who even know, how many will actually do ?
And the rare ones who have done it.......
Need not listen to you anymore.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 284299
10/8/2007 1:13 PM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
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American BadAss
User ID: 284648
10/8/2007 1:20 PM
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the guy had his property rigged with IEDS
he;s probably being held as a terrorist now Quoting: ^TrInItY^
Yes and when they come for you one day, they will probably say the same thing. All the evil doers seem to have an IED if they are raided for not going along with the program.
I'd Rather Be A Shootin' Yankees! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 309605
10/8/2007 1:50 PM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
...and so this is what it has come down to...
America, the once great American Dream has
turned into a nightmare!
People, rise up now! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 139190
10/8/2007 2:09 PM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
THEY DIDN'T PAY THEIR TAXES.
I guessing a bunch of you guys would prefer to live in a country where there was no maintained public infrastructure, you had no military, there was no police force, no fire service, no non-commercial scientific research, no Space programme, no help for the poor or unwell etc etc etc...
You'd just all sit around in log cabins, hunting elk with your rifles and looking after number one.
Give me a break.
This couple are RICH douche's who tried to get round the system... and failed. They are now paying for it. All this Wild West frontier freedom shit is just that: shit. Please tell me any other advanced country in the world where you wouldn't get put away for not paying what's due. It's not even as if you guys in the States even have that high tax rates. Try living in Scandinavia, or France, or the UK. |
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NightWisp
User ID: 307976
10/8/2007 7:32 PM
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Office closed today for holiday ( Columbus Day) |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 232327
10/8/2007 7:50 PM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
That's probably exactly what they are doing to Ed. When people call the Marshalls they will say "he is in transport" or something like that. Then if you call the Bureau of prisons they will just tell you he "has not been received yet" thereby leaving him in an unaccountable no-man's land where they give some "pay back".
Evil pricks. All federal agents are evil pricks. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 232327
10/8/2007 8:01 PM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
Man that operation must have cost $ tens of mills
all those feds, 24 hr guard nite and day
Ed and Eliane must have been holed up for at least 2 1/2 months Quoting: Anonymous Coward 309541
Yep, exactly. Think about this aspect of this case. They spent the entire summer up there bringing out all kinds of their "toys" and every federal agent on the case getting overtime all summer long. They spent millions of dollars to imprison US CITIZENS for a law that doesn't exist. Yet, these same cocksuckers (the federal government) tells us (US CITIZENS) that there nothing they can do to stop all the illegal aliens. This entire operation this summer illustrates for us all that they sure could stop the illegals. The federal government is a criminal enterprise. There is no other way to put it. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 279635
10/8/2007 8:08 PM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
All this reminds me of Titon. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 303980
10/8/2007 8:24 PM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
I guessing a bunch of you guys would prefer to live in a country where there was no maintained public infrastructure, you had no military, there was no police force, no fire service, no non-commercial scientific research, no Space programme, no help for the poor or unwell etc etc etc... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 139190
Given a choice of no government or a government that is against it's own people. I'll take no government. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 152307
10/8/2007 8:31 PM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
People keep trying to make Ed Brown a poster child for "tax honesty" but he was never convicted of any tax crime, for the simple reason that he never had any income.
He was convicted of conspiring to defraud the United States (18 USC 371), conspiring to structure
financial transactions to evade reporting requirements (18 USC 371), and structuring financial transactions to evade reporting requirements (31 USC 5324(a)(3), 5325, 18 USC 2).
The twelve jurors who heard the case obviously knew this. They heard both the law and the evidence and voted unanimously that the Browns were guilty of the crimes they were charged with beyond any reasonable
doubt. |
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Anonymous Coward
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10/9/2007 8:51 AM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
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Grafted Promise
User ID: 310319
10/9/2007 11:07 PM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
Did a search from:
[link to bop.gov]
and got this:
[link to bop.gov]
Name Register
Number Age Race Sex Release Date
Actual / Projected Location
1. ED BROWN 11015-074 60 White M 05-14-2017 ASHLAND FCI
Could this be Ed? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 303939
10/9/2007 11:16 PM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
The release date is a bit far in the future, isn't it, when their sentence is for 60 some odd months, about 5 years, not 10. |
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TEXAS UNCENSORED
User ID: 310339
10/9/2007 11:18 PM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
How much did it cost for this entire action against the Browns, compared to what they owed ?
I'll just bet it was way out of line with the amount they alledgedly owed.
* Taxes are not paying for the goverment programs that are good for the country and citizens. Taxes are paying for the interest on the fake money being printed by the illegal Federal Reserve Bank, which isn't federal, or connected to the goverment. It is a private counterfieting operation that the citizens of this country are being forced to pay for.
Wages are not profits and gains. Wages are considered an equal trade for labor. Therefore, not taxable. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 303939
10/10/2007 12:16 AM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
Grafted Promise,
He's also 64, and not 60, years old.
N.H. couple evade death and taxes
[link to www.latimes.com]
with pictures of the Brown's
They really ought to let him see a lawyer and not keep him out of communication with the public. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 208180
10/10/2007 12:45 AM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
The twelve jurors who heard the case obviously knew this. They heard both the law and the evidence and voted unanimously that the Browns were guilty of the crimes they were charged with beyond any reasonable
doubt. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 152307
Of course if you were on the jury and voted "not guilty" you'd *might* expect to get audited yourself.....oh, no wait how silly of me things don't really work that way. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 208180
10/10/2007 12:52 AM | | Re: Ed Brown "Dissappeared" by Feds | Quote |
I've been there. Corrections officers make cops seem like good ol' buddies. |
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