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Call me crazy, but, I have stated over and again John Haggee is a false teacher and a blatant heretic. Now in his new book he states:

* The Jewish people, as a whole did not reject Jesus as Messiah.

* Jesus did not come to Earth to BE the Messiah.

* Jesus refused by word and deed to be the Messiah.

* The Jews cannot be blamed for not accepting what was never offered.

Think I'm crazy? Follow the link below and hear it from his own lips.

The Threshing Floor [link to threshingfloor.onevoicemm.net]

In Christ Jesus, the Messiah and the Living Son of the Living God Who came to "confirm the covenant to many" (Isa 42:6, 49:8, Dan. 9:27, Rom. 15:8, Heb. 6:17, Mt. 26:28, Mk. 14:24), among men that was "confirmed" in heaven 430 years BEFORE the law. Galatians 3:17.

Pray for Haggee as he has twisted God's Word to placate the Jews of Israel and preaches lies and false doctrine. If you follow his teachings I would stop immediately and ask the Lord to open your heart to the truth. We were warned false teachers would come in the last days "making merchandise of His body" , Haggee is only one of many. (2 Peter 2:1-3)




It would seem he is more easily identified as someone Titus warned about in Titus 1:10-14 as it is plain Haggee seeks to sell his new book and be as the following states;

10: For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:

11: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

12: One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.

13: This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

14: Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

He is lying to the Jews for the sake of monetary gain (filthy lucre). The Greek says:

"...aischros (filthy, dishonour) kerdos (gain, advantage)..."

The Greek word "kerdos" (ker'-dos) 2771 can mean both monetary gain and position or status, which is exactly what this charlatan is doing. He is trying to sell books and make the Jews and others believe he is some major authority when, in fact, he is a blasphemer and false teacher.

I'm not really all that surprised after listening to this obese windbag in the past. All one can do is pray. [link to p103.ezboard.com]
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I was getting that feeling more and mroe lately.. I just really feel terrible my Mom 92 looks at him as one of the last real champions of truth out there.. it's so disheartening, sad and disappointing..

Yet we were warned with for good reason that these days would be like this. Thanks for the post. hf


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I wonder when he's going to send out the command to drink the poison Kool Aid?
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Well ... things happen when you don't understand Yeshua as the KINSMAN and REDEEMER.

Yeshua was able and willing to do what He did. Trouble starts when you take your eyes off of Him ... as perhaps Haggee is doing and looking to manmade solutions.
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I wonder when he's going to send out the command to drink the poison Kool Aid?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 309319


It is not going to happen. He drank all the Kool Aid with the 20 cases of Ding Dongs in the name of Jesus, hence the pudge around the middle.
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in 25 words or less, who heck is this
person of whom I have never heard?
Sure, I can try to surf a little
and still please add your thoughtful
summary.
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He speaks quickly and uses psychological techniques to get people all emotional and they don't pay attention to what he says...It's quite clear he has an agenda with satan.

I pray for him and those in the lake with him because according to Scripture, those who twist God's teaching and mislead people intensionally will have a very heavy price to pay...very bad for him....
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Of COURSE he said that...DON'T FORGET TO MAIL YOUR CHECK (MADE PAYABLE TO JOHN HAGEE MINISTRIES) SO HE CAN "SEND IT OVER TO ISRAEL" TO HELP THEM OUT!!!

Fuck that dude. False prophet, apostate TRASH who uses his "ministry" as a TAX SHELTER.

Google him and see how rich he's become from "GOD'S work."
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Jesus was not supposed to be the Mesiah of the hebrew religion, this John Haggee is right.

Jesus had nothing to do with the old testament, seriously, just notice how terrible the contradictions between the old testament and Jesus' teachings are.
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in 25 words or less, who heck is this
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Sure, I can try to surf a little
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 Quoting: afs 312768

Someone who my grandma watches on tv and hangs on his every word. Probably sends him her social security money and he will influence how she votes. He is feeding the fire for this war with his propoganda towards christians about Israel.
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This guy is one of the most vocal religious leaders that advocates entering IRAN militarily.

And he's spreading this trash during his "sermons."
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SUN-WORSHIPERS THE LOT!!!!
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Is this the same book where Hagee talks about the crusades, the holocaust, Martin Luther and how terrible the world has treated the innocent Jewish people? I swear, everytime this man wants to sell a book he viciously attacks Martin Luther.

.......NEVERMIND THAT JEWS HAVE KILLED GENTILES DOWN THROUGH WORLD HISTORY. DID HAGEE BY ANY CHANCE MENTION THE BOLSHEVIK JEWS THAT MURDERED "MILLIONS OF PEOPLE?" DID HE BY ANY CHANCE MENTION "KARL MARX", THE INNOCENT JEW THAT STARTED IT ALL. NO, I THINK NOT. HE AND HIS FELLOW ILK ARE INTO accepting the "Noahide" (Talmud) Laws just like our U.S. Congress, Bush, Sr. and, I believe, the United Nations.

Can you imagine, our stupid Congress and President incorporated the "Noahide Laws" into PUBLIC LAW 102-14 (102 P.L. 14; 1991 H.J. Res. 104; 105 Stat. 44) establishing March 26, 1991 as "Education Day!" THEY ACTUALLY IGNORED THE "TEN COMMANDMENTS" in favor of the "Seven Noahide Laws." Why? It looks like these are the anti-christ's laws. THEY ALSO APPLY TO ALL UNBELIEVERS. When implemented, we will accept their God and deny Jesus Christ on pain of death.

I have a separate subject going on the NOAHIDE OR NOACHIDE LAWS, but I am in such a rage right now that I'm having trouble focusing and staying with it.

I totally lost my cool when I saw Pastor Hagee on TBN pushing his book and castigating Martin Luther. He does this all the time. In the process of mentioning the Holocaust, he never talks about the millions of Christians that stood up for righteousness and also went to the gas chambers. NEVER SAYS A WORD ABOUT IT!

What makes this so sad is that I liked Pastor Hagee and listed to him for years. Sometimes it distresses me that I even have to talk like this BUT, ALL OF A SUDDEN THE HOLY SPIRIT STARTS SHOWING US THINGS ... and that's when we have to stand up.

BY THE WAY, THERE IS NOTHING IN SCRIPTURE ABOUT ANY "NOAHIDE LAWS" THAT WERE GIVEN TO ADAM OR NOAH. Adam never said anything about it, nor Abraham, Jacob or Isaac, nor Moses, nor the Judges, nor the Kings, nor the Prophets, NOR JESUS, nor the apostles, etc. From Moses on, they referred to the Ten Commandments. This seems to be a figment of their imagination; namely, the Bolshevik Jews controlling the Talmud.
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Hagee must be reading the book of Barnabas:

"'He shall come with truth more clear than that of all the prophets, and shall reprove him who useth the world amiss. The towers of the city of our father shall greet one another for joy; and so when idolatry shall be seen to fall to the ground and confess me a man like other men, verily I say unto you the messenger of God shall be come.'"
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Thank you for posting this. hf
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Thank you for posting this. hf
 Quoting: Edelweiss 313526

I forgot to ADD



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and


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* The Jewish people, as a whole did not reject Jesus as Messiah.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 147736



Considering that Jesus and his entire flock of followers were all jewish, and that christianity, such as it was, was a jewish subsect, meant I suppose, to be a return to purer times (jewish priesthood was in bed with romans so they say).. that statement is pretty true.

Wasn't until after jesus faded away that the followers came up with new traditions and worship practices that allowed the gentiles to take part that it stopped being a form of judism.

At least, assuming the whole think wasn't made up or heavily.. edited.. to suit some powermongler's needs.

This is according to them biblical scholar types from the church, eh.
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The bum is a false prophet which is why he spews blasphemies such as denying that Jesus Christ is the Messiah.
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The bum is a false prophet which is why he spews blasphemies such as denying that Jesus Christ is the Messiah.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 314133


i don't like him anymore than any of you infidel's do, but to be fair he didn't say Jesus was not the messiah.

as usually some glp'er has things all balled up and confused, but he said only 2 things that were even kinda similar to op's title....

1. jesus didn't come to be the messiah.
2. jesus wouldn't proclaim he was the messiah.

neither of these statements are accurate reflections of op's title.

both john hagee and op are dumbass morons.

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Watch this closely though, because this is the Zionist plan for conversion in America, and it's working pretty well...

Christian Zionists!

lmao

Who would have ever thought?
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I was getting that feeling more and mroe lately.. I just really feel terrible my Mom 92 looks at him as one of the last real champions of truth out there.. it's so disheartening, sad and disappointing..

Yet we were warned with for good reason that these days would be like this. Thanks for the post. hf


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 Quoting: Dee 536

Haggee is falling off the deep end. I would suggest he go back to reading the scriptures and preaching the Gospel=Good news which is Jesus Christ is the Son of God and takes away sin. Instead of being political!

And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Call me crazy, but, I have stated over and again John Haggee is a false teacher and a blatant heretic. Now in his new book he states:

* The Jewish people, as a whole did not reject Jesus as Messiah.

* Jesus did not come to Earth to BE the Messiah.

* Jesus refused by word and deed to be the Messiah.

* The Jews cannot be blamed for not accepting what was never offered.

Think I'm crazy? Follow the link below and hear it from his own lips.

The Threshing Floor [link to threshingfloor.onevoicemm.net]

In Christ Jesus, the Messiah and the Living Son of the Living God Who came to "confirm the covenant to many" (Isa 42:6, 49:8, Dan. 9:27, Rom. 15:8, Heb. 6:17, Mt. 26:28, Mk. 14:24), among men that was "confirmed" in heaven 430 years BEFORE the law. Galatians 3:17.

Pray for Haggee as he has twisted God's Word to placate the Jews of Israel and preaches lies and false doctrine. If you follow his teachings I would stop immediately and ask the Lord to open your heart to the truth. We were warned false teachers would come in the last days "making merchandise of His body" , Haggee is only one of many. (2 Peter 2:1-3)




It would seem he is more easily identified as someone Titus warned about in Titus 1:10-14 as it is plain Haggee seeks to sell his new book and be as the following states;

10: For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:

11: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

12: One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.

13: This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

14: Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

He is lying to the Jews for the sake of monetary gain (filthy lucre). The Greek says:

"...aischros (filthy, dishonour) kerdos (gain, advantage)..."

The Greek word "kerdos" (ker'-dos) 2771 can mean both monetary gain and position or status, which is exactly what this charlatan is doing. He is trying to sell books and make the Jews and others believe he is some major authority when, in fact, he is a blasphemer and false teacher.

I'm not really all that surprised after listening to this obese windbag in the past. All one can do is pray. [link to p103.ezboard.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 147736




Agreed! Rev Hagee comes across as a good ol' boy with honest to G-d intentions but, that facade is certainly showing serious cracks and his Zionist nature is becoming very apparent-transparent even!

Rev Hagee has basically, abandoned his true-Christian roots and pretty much adopted a hybrid Jewish/Christian abomination-doctrine that soldiers the Zionist creed/cause. In his warped mind he believes (and wants his followers to believe) that by "taking care of Israel" he will be blessed (if not saved) by G-d. Of course, this is complete & utter nonsense but, it is the basis of his crusade.

Rev Hagee, like so many of us, confused the present state of Israel and the Jewish People (of the Bible.) Modern Israel is a Zionist creation and scripturally at odds with the coming Messiah (Messiah is suppose to bring about what the Zionist are doing.) Zionist are not to be mistaken as zealots of the Jewish Cause-their interest is purely greed/power, etc. For the most part, every prime minister of Israel has cared less about the religious aspect of the Jews and more for "wordly" gain-not one of them was a true believer.

Anyway, Rev Hagee through ignorance or via an agenda has become a pawn of the Zionist. His worst lie (and, this is only one "known" example) is claiming that the President of Iran, Ahmadinejad, has called for Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth! An outright lie that he spread and most people believe.

These are Ahmadinejad real words, "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time". Obviously, a world away from Hagee's lie. Here is the full transcript of the speech in farsi, archived on Ahmadinejad's web site (English version available at a click.)

[link to www.president.ir]

More direct info concerning the "truth" of this statement/lie made by Rev Hagee.

[link to www.globalresearch.ca:80]

Pastor Hagee, is simply perpetuating a lie to coincide with his Zionist agenda and to elevate the sale of his book (promoting the Zionist cause-step by step.) Rev Hagee continues to spew this lie, knowing full well the grave consequences-to hell with the truth.

Such a man as Rev Hagee, should not be given the benefit of doubt (not trusted on any level) but, completely ignored-discounted as nothing more than a Zionist-puke! Tarring and feathering this dreg would be too good for him considering the flock he leads astray.

Dismas

ps - An interesting side note;

"The Zionists, I want to tell you, are NOT Jews.

That's the biggest deception we've ever faced.

Zionists are Zionists. Period.

They are not Jews.

They are not Christians.

They are not Muslims.

They are a POWER group - a POWER party."

--Ahmadinejad
[link to www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com]
Dismas Zoathan

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Haggee is falling off the deep end. I would suggest he go back to reading the scriptures
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He is out there. He's not a preacher. He is someone who tries to over interpret a simple message. The Atonement and Repentance.

The rest is simply "...wresting with the scriptures unto their own destruction". Trying to make it mean something more complicated than it is, and make it mean something it doesn't.
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Somebody should give him a good kick in the ass.
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Haggee is falling off the deep end. I would suggest he go back to reading the scriptures

He is out there. He's not a preacher. He is someone who tries to over interpret a simple message. The Atonement and Repentance.

The rest is simply "...wresting with the scriptures unto their own destruction". Trying to make it mean something more complicated than it is, and make it mean something it doesn't.
 Quoting: King Neptune

Very well said!
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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[link to www.jhm.org]
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Call me crazy, but, I have stated over and again John Haggee is a false teacher and a blatant heretic. Now in his new book he states:

* The Jewish people, as a whole did not reject Jesus as Messiah.

* Jesus did not come to Earth to BE the Messiah.

* Jesus refused by word and deed to be the Messiah.

* The Jews cannot be blamed for not accepting what was never offered.

Think I'm crazy? Follow the link below and hear it from his own lips.

The Threshing Floor [link to threshingfloor.onevoicemm.net]

In Christ Jesus, the Messiah and the Living Son of the Living God Who came to "confirm the covenant to many" (Isa 42:6, 49:8, Dan. 9:27, Rom. 15:8, Heb. 6:17, Mt. 26:28, Mk. 14:24), among men that was "confirmed" in heaven 430 years BEFORE the law. Galatians 3:17.

Pray for Haggee as he has twisted God's Word to placate the Jews of Israel and preaches lies and false doctrine. If you follow his teachings I would stop immediately and ask the Lord to open your heart to the truth. We were warned false teachers would come in the last days "making merchandise of His body" , Haggee is only one of many. (2 Peter 2:1-3)




It would seem he is more easily identified as someone Titus warned about in Titus 1:10-14 as it is plain Haggee seeks to sell his new book and be as the following states;

10: For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:

11: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

12: One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.

13: This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

14: Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

He is lying to the Jews for the sake of monetary gain (filthy lucre). The Greek says:

"...aischros (filthy, dishonour) kerdos (gain, advantage)..."

The Greek word "kerdos" (ker'-dos) 2771 can mean both monetary gain and position or status, which is exactly what this charlatan is doing. He is trying to sell books and make the Jews and others believe he is some major authority when, in fact, he is a blasphemer and false teacher.

I'm not really all that surprised after listening to this obese windbag in the past. All one can do is pray. [link to p103.ezboard.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 147736


If Jesus "saved" the world, then explain to me why the world is still such a pathetic spiritual shit hole?

You have been deceived. Wake up.
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Always the optimist.
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Call me crazy, but, I have stated over and again John Haggee is a false teacher and a blatant heretic. Now in his new book he states:

* The Jewish people, as a whole did not reject Jesus as Messiah.

* Jesus did not come to Earth to BE the Messiah.

* Jesus refused by word and deed to be the Messiah.

* The Jews cannot be blamed for not accepting what was never offered.

Think I'm crazy? Follow the link below and hear it from his own lips.

The Threshing Floor [link to threshingfloor.onevoicemm.net]

In Christ Jesus, the Messiah and the Living Son of the Living God Who came to "confirm the covenant to many" (Isa 42:6, 49:8, Dan. 9:27, Rom. 15:8, Heb. 6:17, Mt. 26:28, Mk. 14:24), among men that was "confirmed" in heaven 430 years BEFORE the law. Galatians 3:17.

Pray for Haggee as he has twisted God's Word to placate the Jews of Israel and preaches lies and false doctrine. If you follow his teachings I would stop immediately and ask the Lord to open your heart to the truth. We were warned false teachers would come in the last days "making merchandise of His body" , Haggee is only one of many. (2 Peter 2:1-3)




It would seem he is more easily identified as someone Titus warned about in Titus 1:10-14 as it is plain Haggee seeks to sell his new book and be as the following states;

10: For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:

11: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

12: One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.

13: This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

14: Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

He is lying to the Jews for the sake of monetary gain (filthy lucre). The Greek says:

"...aischros (filthy, dishonour) kerdos (gain, advantage)..."

The Greek word "kerdos" (ker'-dos) 2771 can mean both monetary gain and position or status, which is exactly what this charlatan is doing. He is trying to sell books and make the Jews and others believe he is some major authority when, in fact, he is a blasphemer and false teacher.

I'm not really all that surprised after listening to this obese windbag in the past. All one can do is pray. [link to p103.ezboard.com]


If Jesus "saved" the world, then explain to me why the world is still such a pathetic spiritual shit hole?

You have been deceived. Wake up.
 Quoting: Saxon 194696

Easy answer, free will! The gift of salvation is a free gift,one that cannot be bought or sold and more importantly ....forced!
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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If Jesus "saved" the world, then explain to me why the world is still such a pathetic spiritual shit hole?

You have been deceived. Wake up.



It's your Life thats a pathetic spiritual shit hole,
the "saved" are Happy..

Your a Fool!!

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