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Israel Warns World War III May be Biblical War of Gog and Magog

 
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Five Million and Counting -- Iraqi Refugees Weigh on Our National Conscience

Critics of the administration have recently turned to take up the cause of Iraqi refugees as an instantiation of US moral failure in the region, to which Steve Clemons and Nir Rosen among others have drawn attention. But even as politicians rhetorically adopt this position, little is actually being done to attend to the needs of what now amounts to nearly 5 million refugees.

Angelina Jolie -- after visiting the region and making a moving and compelling plea about Iraqi refugees while in conversation with Nick Kristof at the Clinton Global Initiative last week -- has put her money where her mouth is, commiting substantial resources to assist children of conflict. But based on US actions alone, it appears the US government has not suffered the same moral compunctions.

Leave aside the accounts of translators who served with US soldiers and are now being hung out to dry -- caught between tribal militias who have threatened their lives and the department of homeland security that denies most of them access to a country they served -- there has been very little beyond lip service and a pittance of funds. Bill Frelick of Human Rights Watch wrote in the Wall Street Journal in May:

How many Iraqi refugees did the U.S. resettle in 2006? It settled 202. The State Department said it would resettle 7,000 this fiscal year. Halfway through, it has admitted 68. (...)

Whether the U.S. resettles 70 or 7,000, it amounts to a drop in the ocean of Iraqi refugees -- 700,000 in Jordan; more than a million in Syria. Iraq's neighbors are inundated and they need meaningful international support to keep their borders open. Ms. Dobriansky says that "the U.S. has funded 30% of UNHCR's $60 million Iraq appeal" this year. That's $18 million. She says the U.S. "intends" to provide $100 million more. Meanwhile, the U.S. is spending $2 billion per week to wage the war that directly or indirectly has caused four million Iraqis to be forced from their homes.

Unlike the pace of "political reconciliation" in Baghdad, the status, treatment, and resettlement also appears to be something we can wield far more control over if we actually attempt to devise a policy. Senators Smith (R-OR) and Kennedy (D-MA) have been working on legislation for the translators but that still sidesteps the plight of millions of innocent civilians fleeing the scene.

The refugee issue, though treated as a "soft" moral issue, also poses a strategic quandary with grave implications. Jordan has estimated it is costing them almost $1 billion per year to deal with new refugees -- that is roughly 20% of its budget (estimated by the CIA to be $5.5 billion). For a country already in need of substantial economic reform and readjustment, this is simply not sustainable. And should Jordan (or another Arab state) falter under the weight of such a burden, it will create dangerous opportunities for manipulation by al Qaeda, Iran, or another actor.
Nir Rosen, who's been drawing more attention to the complications of the Iraqi refugees than some would like, writes in a new piece:

The crisis in Iraq has the entire region on edge waiting to see if Iraq will come to them. While Sunni leaders in the region, whether in Egypt, Jordan, or Saudi Arabia, have had to pay lip service to anti-imperialism and Arab nationalism by calling for an end to the occupation, the truth is that off the record nothing frightens them more than an American withdrawal from Iraq.

Fear of successive waves of Iraqi refugees resonates throughout the Middle East, and no discussion of Arab governments' reluctance to acknowledge their plight can begin without reference to the Palestinian experience. ... The presence of the Palestinians also contributed to the destabilization of several countries, while in places like Lebanon they were preyed upon by more powerful militias, which slaughtered many of them. Today radical groups based in Palestinian refugee camps are exporting fighters to Iraq.

Unable to return home, running out of savings, carrying with them sectarian grudges and many with military experience, Iraqi refugees may yet destabilize much of the region.

Supporters of the war and now the surge ought to be forced to defend their position by addressing these critical moral and strategic questions -- Is it not our moral obligation to attend to the plight of the millions of refugees we created through this war? And is it not our strategic interest to help resettle refugees to prevent our allied Arab states from buckling and collapsing under the weight of the flood of refugees?

By the same token, an implication of Rosen's argument is that advocates of withdrawal need to be pressed on the same questions. Most Sunni governments expect a second exodus should the US withdraw and, even if it turns out to be in our broader strategic interest to do so, advocates of various paths of withdrawal have to formulate a policy to contend with these regional and ethical concerns.

Rosen's concluding thoughts about our direct ownership of this refugee crisis ought to weigh heavily on all lawmakers seeking to slough off the responsibility:

It has become popular with former supporters of the war to blame the Iraqis for the Americans' failure. The Iraqis did not choose democracy or the Iraqis did not choose freedom, Americans like to say, or the Iraqis have to decide to stop killing each other or Iraqis have to "step up." But such complaints misplace the blame. Sunni and Shia Iraqis protested the American occupation as soon as it began, and demanded elections and sovereignty. The U.S. ignored their demands and instead imposed a dictator on them, Paul Bremer, hoping he would pave the way for an Iraqi strongman to rule in our stead. Other former supporters of the war, echoing the simplistic sentiments heard during the Balkan wars, now blame the alleged "ancient hatred" between Sunnis and Shias, who have been fighting each other for "thousands of years." But Iraq had no history of civil war or sectarian violence even approaching this scale until the Americans arrived. Iraq is not Rwanda, where Hutus and Tutsis slaughtered each other and America could pretend it had no role. We did this to Iraq. And it is time the U.S and the international community "step up" to the resulting humanitarian nightmare.
--Sameer Lalwani
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Muslims haven't invented anything, they appropriate the hard work of others.

All modern science will be regarded as muslim when they take over. All the great literature, the great musicians will be recorded for all posterity as inventions and genius springing from the well of mohammedians.
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I am so sick of hearing you people on this site talk about things like you are the know it alls and have every answer in the book. You are so stupid about what will happen to the US and its allies if this mad man in Iran is not stopped. You hate the President of the US and don't care that he is trying to keep Americans safe!!!!!! You too if you are an American. Your hatred runs deep!!! You hate those who are opposed to anything you say. Your foul language speaks volumes of the contents of your heart. Any knowledgable person knows that Nuclear War is not what anyone wants. But rest assured The US is prepared in the event that it becomes necessary. All will fight me included. Give Iran a shot and they will use it to Kill Americans anywhere in the world possible. The fact that they are messing in Iraq is proof enough for me that they will do what they can to hurt us anyway they can. You are so disillusioned about Isreal it's pathetic. I hope you understand your own hatred. Becuase all of you who are this way need serious therapy.
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Go crawl under your rock you Zionist rat. Iran is no threat to anyone.
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What sickens me about your remark is this. Isreal is not a leach and the very fact that you call them that tells me much aboout your inner hatred. And your wrong about Iran! They are now killing our soldiers in Iraq. If your looking for or think you have found someone uninformed or out of the loop your gravely mistaken. You have no idea how close to information I actually am. Actually your foul language also speaks volumes about your inner self. I wish for you the ability to see deeply into your own eyes and see how vile you are now being with your remarks. You do hate the president as I have not heard you mention one good thing about him. When the Iranian leader shows up in a private situation and physically picks a knife to kill and is also guilty of holding American hostage himself. That's tantamount to hurting Americans. Check your FACTS and then tell me I am misinformed.




That's because THERE ISN'T ONE GOOD TRAIT ABOUT THE SOB. He's a colossally misbegotten cretin impolitic coward quisling romancing Israel, using our good men and women as (poorly) paid mercenaries for his and his cronies' evil agenda. The main reason we're in the middle east is fighting for Israel. Wake the fuck up, turn off your TV, start doing your homework. You ARE misinformed, terribly, like most Americans who believe the spew coming out of the idiot box. Did you actually read the transcript of or hear Ahmedinejad's speech? It seems common sense and truth is now the enemy of the state.

Oh, and learn how to spell and write, too, please, before you post again. I like a good Webster's Collegiate dictionary myself. wtf
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Muslims haven't invented anything, they appropriate the hard work of others.

All modern science will be regarded as muslim when they take over. All the great literature, the great musicians will be recorded for all posterity as inventions and genius springing from the well of mohammedians.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 290186


Funnily enough, you've just described the Jews.

Because they can't create things of beauty, they either appropriate them or destroy them.

Take the Magpie Einstein, who stole all his ideas from European scientists:

Einstein the Incorrigible Plagiarist
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Jews wait until you've built your house. Then they sneak in through the back door and claim it for themselves.

That's why the Jews have always been hated -- getting kicked out of 37 different countries.
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Muslims haven't invented anything, they appropriate the hard work of others.

All modern science will be regarded as muslim when they take over. All the great literature, the great musicians will be recorded for all posterity as inventions and genius springing from the well of mohammedians.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 290186


Funnily enough, you've just described the Jews.

Because they can't create things of beauty, they either appropriate them or destroy them.

Take the Magpie Einstein, who stole all his ideas from European scientists:

Einstein the Incorrigible Plagiarist
[link to home.comcast.net]
[link to home.comcast.net]

Jews wait until you've built your house. Then they sneak in through the back door and claim it for themselves.

That's why the Jews have always been hated -- getting kicked out of 37 different countries.
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Balkanizing the middle east will sure help the MIC and private contractors, who will have many years of fat contracts and quotas to be filled. The U.S must have war to prop up its ailing economy and weakening dollar, so they are going all out to force Iran to comply with demands which they will never go for, thereby setting the stage for yet another round of conflict, with its own flood of refugees which will put more pressure on the region which will be destabilized further causing the need for yet more western intervention with its freedom and democracy at the point of a gun surges to fill the growing power vacuum giving them the excuse to bring order out of chaos. Idol1
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read carefully....the world is going to fight in Israels holy war, "whether they like it or not". 911 was their kickoff party.


WWIII Is Coming 'Whether They Like It Or Not': Top Sharon Aide
Arizona Daily Star
Tucson, Saturday, April 27, 2002
By STEPHANIE INNES
"TUCSON ­­The terror attacks on Sept. 11 and extreme turmoil in the Middle East point to one thing ­­World War III, a spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said Friday during a visit to Tucson. "We've been fighting a war for the past 18 months, which is the harbinger of World War III. THE WORLD IS GOING TO FIGHT, WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT. I'M SURE,'' Ra'anan Gissin, a senior adviser to Sharon, said in an interview Friday."
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LOL

It amazes me how little you all know about the Bible and the REAL battle of GOG and Magog.

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with a ww3.

Do a Bible search and see what it says about it.
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Muslims haven't invented anything, they appropriate the hard work of others.

All modern science will be regarded as muslim when they take over. All the great literature, the great musicians will be recorded for all posterity as inventions and genius springing from the well of mohammedians.


Funnily enough, you've just described the Jews.

Because they can't create things of beauty, they either appropriate them or destroy them.

Take the Magpie Einstein, who stole all his ideas from European scientists:

Einstein the Incorrigible Plagiarist
[link to home.comcast.net]
[link to home.comcast.net]

Jews wait until you've built your house. Then they sneak in through the back door and claim it for themselves.

That's why the Jews have always been hated -- getting kicked out of 37 different countries.
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Jews have always been hated by people like you.Who hate God and Israel.
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read carefully....the world is going to fight in Israels holy war, "whether they like it or not". 911 was their kickoff party.


WWIII Is Coming 'Whether They Like It Or Not': Top Sharon Aide
Arizona Daily Star
Tucson, Saturday, April 27, 2002
By STEPHANIE INNES
"TUCSON ­­The terror attacks on Sept. 11 and extreme turmoil in the Middle East point to one thing ­­World War III, a spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said Friday during a visit to Tucson. "We've been fighting a war for the past 18 months, which is the harbinger of World War III. THE WORLD IS GOING TO FIGHT, WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT. I'M SURE,'' Ra'anan Gissin, a senior adviser to Sharon, said in an interview Friday."
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WW III will start soon after the US stock market crashes. Whenever that may be.
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Exactly the reason for religion to be eliminated.
That may mean having to exterminate all religious people.
That would leave a lot of room for the remaining sane people.
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Do we want WW3?



Who does?

Not me.

I got kids.

I still shake my head in disbelief about when Bush said "bring it on"...

Was he meaning WW3?

Cause these plans have been long-laid.

Surely he meant "bring on WW3"...cause that's directly where we are heading.

BOOM
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WW III will start soon after the US stock market crashes. Whenever that may be.
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If the oil price goes over $100 U.S dollars a barrel, expect sheople like Al Gore "inventor of the Internet" to become real popular.
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bring it on let the war begin!!!!!!!!
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Just think hard before you make such wishes.
I bet you can't face watching all of this, can you?
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I don't claim to be a Bible scholar, but I thought the War of Gog and Magog was in the New Testament.
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If you ever watched the movie "The Secret" its exactly what they talk about. If you talk about/think something its bound to happen.

Instead of talking about world peace, they are talking about World War 3.
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I don't claim to be a Bible scholar, but I thought the War of Gog and Magog was in the New Testament.
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Ezekeil 38,near the back of OT before the Minor prophets.
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I am so sick of hearing you people on this site talk about things like you are the know it alls and have every answer in the book. You are so stupid about what will happen to the US and its allies if this mad man in Iran is not stopped. You hate the President of the US and don't care that he is trying to keep Americans safe!!!!!! You too if you are an American. Your hatred runs deep!!! You hate those who are opposed to anything you say. Your foul language speaks volumes of the contents of your heart. Any knowledgable person knows that Nuclear War is not what anyone wants. But rest assured The US is prepared in the event that it becomes necessary. All will fight me included. Give Iran a shot and they will use it to Kill Americans anywhere in the world possible. The fact that they are messing in Iraq is proof enough for me that they will do what they can to hurt us anyway they can. You are so disillusioned about Isreal it's pathetic. I hope you understand your own hatred. Becuase all of you who are this way need serious therapy.
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Eat shit and die, shlomo.
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If you believe 9/11 was an inside job.
How could you believe anything now?
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What sickens me about your remark is this. Isreal is not a leach and the very fact that you call them that tells me much aboout your inner hatred. And your wrong about Iran! They are now killing our soldiers in Iraq. If your looking for or think you have found someone uninformed or out of the loop your gravely mistaken. You have no idea how close to information I actually am. Actually your foul language also speaks volumes about your inner self. I wish for you the ability to see deeply into your own eyes and see how vile you are now being with your remarks. You do hate the president as I have not heard you mention one good thing about him. When the Iranian leader shows up in a private situation and physically picks a knife to kill and is also guilty of holding American hostage himself. That's tantamount to hurting Americans. Check your FACTS and then tell me I am misinformed.


What sickens me is you ignorance. I seriously doubt you are close to any information you did not think up on your own.
Now you show yourself to be not only ignorant but delusional also.

I used no foul language I used factual language, you are a dumb-ass Israeli shill and nothing you have said changes that.

You support of a rouge nation is what is vile. A nation that steals from, spies on, and occasionally attacks it's alleged ally. A nation that kills children and displaces thousands to steal there land is criminal by any definition of the word. If you support them then you are also a criminal and a murderer by proxy.

The US is far from innocent. It has meddled in the internal affairs of foreign countries for the last hundred years. If you go messing in the beehive you have to expect to get stung eventually. Once again your ignorance shines through.

Israel is a leech by any definition of the word I am sorry your country is a leech but the facts do not lie. If not a leech then a group of thieves. If not return the foreign aid and stop accepting any future payments. Let's see how long Israel lasts without my money.

If the US had not illegally invaded Iraq our brave men and women would not be there to be killed for nothing now would they.
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You used Plenty of foul language and continue to do so!! And it just so much so points out the terrible shape of your heart, or should I ask what heart? It really doesn't matter to me whether you think I am cloase to information or not. Because I know who I am and what I know. And I have no need to prove to you what I do know. But one thing is abundantly clear your hatred is vile and it's eating you alive. For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. If you were to ask me do I think I know all there is to know? I would tell you there are things the President himself is deliberately kept from for reasons beyond my pay grade. But I can tell you this we will have no problem should it come to defending ourselves or Isreal or any ally in a nuclear showdown. This not just about our survival As a nation it's about everyone's survival including Iran. Yet, Iran cannot be trusted. Fact is, the Iranian leader would kill you if it meant some sort of political gain for him. They do support Terrorism!!!!! Like it or not it is also a fact that they are a threat to all the world. They are filled with vile hatred of Isreal as you are. It's just I am willing to call you on it. The foul language does nothing but show the smallness of your mind. Get Therapy!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LOL

It amazes me how little you all know about the Bible and the REAL battle of GOG and Magog.

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with a ww3.

Do a Bible search and see what it says about it.
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Thank you sir and I agree. Point well made.
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I suggest a resurgence of the Kindgom of Judah, in order to quell the uprisings and arrogance of the Kingdom of Israel.
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What sickens me about your remark is this. Isreal is not a leach and the very fact that you call them that tells me much aboout your inner hatred. And your wrong about Iran! They are now killing our soldiers in Iraq. If your looking for or think you have found someone uninformed or out of the loop your gravely mistaken. You have no idea how close to information I actually am. Actually your foul language also speaks volumes about your inner self. I wish for you the ability to see deeply into your own eyes and see how vile you are now being with your remarks. You do hate the president as I have not heard you mention one good thing about him. When the Iranian leader shows up in a private situation and physically picks a knife to kill and is also guilty of holding American hostage himself. That's tantamount to hurting Americans. Check your FACTS and then tell me I am misinformed.




That's because THERE ISN'T ONE GOOD TRAIT ABOUT THE SOB. He's a colossally misbegotten cretin impolitic coward quisling romancing Israel, using our good men and women as (poorly) paid mercenaries for his and his cronies' evil agenda. The main reason we're in the middle east is fighting for Israel. Wake the fuck up, turn off your TV, start doing your homework. You ARE misinformed, terribly, like most Americans who believe the spew coming out of the idiot box. Did you actually read the transcript of or hear Ahmedinejad's speech? It seems common sense and truth is now the enemy of the state.

Oh, and learn how to spell and write, too, please, before you post again. I like a good Webster's Collegiate dictionary myself. wtf
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Isreal has always been there!!!!!!!! It's not me who is misinformed. If you'd like I caan speel a whole lotto worso. I know exactly what's going on your hatred has charred your heart.
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I suggest a resurgence of the Kindgom of Judah, in order to quell the uprisings and arrogance of the Kingdom of Israel.
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I suggest you and all the world leave their sad sinful, and lustfull lives and turn back to the creator.
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I am so sick of hearing you people on this site talk about things like you are the know it alls and have every answer in the book. You are so stupid about what will happen to the US and its allies if this mad man in Iran is not stopped. You hate the President of the US and don't care that he is trying to keep Americans safe!!!!!! You too if you are an American. Your hatred runs deep!!! You hate those who are opposed to anything you say. Your foul language speaks volumes of the contents of your heart. Any knowledgable person knows that Nuclear War is not what anyone wants. But rest assured The US is prepared in the event that it becomes necessary. All will fight me included. Give Iran a shot and they will use it to Kill Americans anywhere in the world possible. The fact that they are messing in Iraq is proof enough for me that they will do what they can to hurt us anyway they can. You are so disillusioned about Isreal it's pathetic. I hope you understand your own hatred. Becuase all of you who are this way need serious therapy.


Go crawl under your rock you Zionist rat. Iran is no threat to anyone.
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Uncover your blindness and you will feel much better within. By the way, your hatred it's gotta hurt??
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Israel Fucking Idiots.

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Israel Fucking Idiots.

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Your's too!!!





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