Morgellon's may be in some chemtrails

i hear ya. i have the nanobots, i go to a morgellons forum occasionally and it's creepy, so much disinfo, then theres the freakish morgellons wannabes, its a mess. moregellons is nanobots, it was deliberate, it's real, and it's making me closer to suicide every day i endure the horror, so all you who debunk it, you are ignorant, part of the complications even. the stark truth is 10s of 1000s and surely more have been deliberately tortured and murdered with it, its a fucking crime people, and if it happened to you, you'd be hollerin, anybody take kindly to being murdered? i hate a hippocrit.

you dont exist cause youre too stupid to live.

agro bacterium is one of the parts of the nano, just off the top of my head from my research, they take a lyme bacteria because it is long, good for genetic work, the agrobacterium is spliced into it because it is the key that lets the sv40/green monkey virus into the dna. it has a lot more components, but too complex to really discuss in this forum, as are the ethical ramifications, and the cover up...etc. it's a mess.

if you researched this, if you had intelligence, you would indeed be horrified to learn it is indeed real. any one who bashes mexicans is a hippocritical dog in my book anyway, and i don't think karma is going to be gentle with you when it comes around.

IT IS NANOBOTS FROM YOUR BRAINWASHING MURDERING USA GOVERMENT.

and furthermore to the sheeple who dote on the debunkers, it naturally occurs to a person to think, if they had this they would sure change their tune. but i would not wish any of you sheeple to have this, as hateful and stupid as you are, because to wish a horror like this on anyone would be truly evil, thats how real and bad it is. i wish i was the only one who had it.

Well, what research I have done is kind of 'either-way'. But since the CDC is actually investigating it, I figure we should take the possibility of its existence seriously.

As for the "chem-trail" thing -- well, I don't suppoise it really hurts to believe in them -- as long as you don't try to shoot down a "chem-trail" airplane LOL!!

Had you formatted your post so that a reader could tell what my comments were and what your responses to those were, it'd probably be easier to read.

Tex, the "anonymous coward" post quoting you, posted yesterday afternoon, was mine. I had gone off to do work and came back and finished my post, not realizing that I'd timed out and had been "anonymized". My apologies.

Duncan, I haven't returned to this thread until today while looking for other info.

Since this thread, I have been in personal contact with Marc Neumann, and he is not a doctor or scientist. He is a tech engineer who has taken upon himself the task of documenting and researching simply out of necessity where this condition is being ignored and people are being forced to suffer - himself included. He is hoping others more qualified will find his observations and hypotheses useful for more scientific investigations. Simply because he is not a scientist in title does not mean his work should be discarded. Observation is the first step of the scientific method, as you well know.

Regarding MDs and medical professionals researching as well as treating - and in a few cases suffering from - "Morgs", this is a list I compiled during some of my investigation:

William T. Harvey, MD, MPH
Michael Ledtke, MD
Ginger Savely, RN, FNP-C
Raphael B. Stricker, MD
Gregory V. Smith, MD, FAAP

Rhonda Casey, D.O.

Randy S. Wymore, Ph.D., Assistant Professor of Pharmacology & Physiology, Oklahoma State University

Vitaly Citovsky, Ph.D., Department of Biochemistry and Cell Biology, State University of New York

Robert F. Smith, BS Genetics, MS (Chemistry)

Jenny Haverty, Clinical Microbiologist

Nurses:

[link to www.cherokeechas.com]

And, finally, as to your comment about articles in peer reviewed journals, there are a handful I located; however, I don't have access to confirm content:

Harvey WT.
Morgellons disease.
J Am Acad Dermatol. 2007 Apr;56(4):705-6.

Savely VR, Leitao MM, Stricker RB.
The mystery of Morgellons disease: infection or delusion?
Am J Clin Dermatol. 2006;7(1):1-5. Review.

Koblenzer CS.
The challenge of Morgellons disease.
J Am Acad Dermatol. 2006 Nov;55(5):920-2. Review.

Waddell AG, Burke WA.
Morgellons disease?
J Am Acad Dermatol. 2006 Nov;55(5):914-5.

Marris E.
Mysterious 'Morgellons disease' prompts US investigation.
Nat Med. 2006 Sep;12(9):982. Epub 2006 Aug 30.

TXP

Duncan, you might also find the following position statement from Randy S. Wymore, PhD, Director, OSU-CHS Center for the Investigation of Morgellons Disease, Assoc. Professor of Pharmacology and Physiology, Oklahoma State University, interesting. I provide an excerpt:

"...Preliminary observations were presented at the annual Molecular Medicine TriConference during late January/ early February in San Francisco, with a title of: "Physical Evidence in Morgellons Disease".

7. This conference was attended by physicians and biomedical scientists from various universities, biotechnology companies and major pharmaceutical companies. Those scientists and physicians who viewed the presentation from the preliminary evidence through to the conclusions made no attempt to "debunk" the presentation. They asked the kind of rigorous questions that are expected from a highly trained, skeptical and critical audience. Their reactions tended to be surprise, shock and puzzlement. Not one single person tried to convince his/her colleagues, or me, that I was mistaken in the conclusion that Morgellons Disease is real physical pathology of unknown cause.

8. Amateur debunkers carry no weight in academia and have no relevance in the discussion of Morgellons Disease in the scientific and medical community. Since the clinicians (both D.O. and M.D.) and scientists at the conference I mentioned above did not debunk a formal presentation on the topic of Morgellons Disease, why would an amateur think that they could?

An amateurish debunking approach is often nothing more than a type argumentative arrogance. A person, or persons, manages to attract an audience that will participate in the argument and it gives the debunker a sense of power. What goes on at debunking sites is most definitely NOT scientific debate and critical inquiry. Critical scientific debate occurs at conferences (regional, national or international), during seminars and during the editorial review when scientific manuscripts are submitter.

If an amateur debunker (unless the debunker is paid for the debunking services, in which case she/he would be a professional debunker) feels that they can compete in the professional scientific arena, let them submit an abstract to a conference or a manuscript to a scientific journal (a legitimate, peer-reviewed scientific journal). The results would be laughable; probably not to the debunker, but the reality of the world is that none of the mainstream journals that are peer- reviewed would publish such a manuscript.

The internet is a wonderful forum for discussions of all sorts and a place where information can be obtained on just about any subject imaginable. If a person, or group of people, wish to spend time deconstructing the words, comments and images of others, or to try to debunk what they view as unreal, then that is certainly their option in life. I personally do not find that it would be very personally satisfying. In my mind, such efforts are, at the very least, a waste of valuable time and at the worst, hurtful. What good can come of it? If the Morgellons community TRULY was delusional, then a debunking site would not convince them not to be delusional."

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I have done a little looking into "Dr." Staninger's background.

Turns out her PhD is from Kensington University, a notorious diploma mill that has since been closed. She never lists this in her bio, but did mention it on one of her Rense.com appearances.

Even more interesting is the fact that she is/was a part owner of 5R Health -- a company that franchises strip mall spas in California and elsewhere. They were disciplined and perhaps even shut down by the State of California recently. 5R Health appears to make its money by selling Far Infrared saunas to the franchisees. Her co-owner is a Korean businessman who is involved with MPS Global which -- you guessed it -- imports infrared saunas.

And, believe it or not, I happened upon a copy of her much touted "Comprehensive Handbook of Toxicology." Suffice it to say, I hope the Safety Officer at my local chemical plant is not relying on this august tome.

i dont follow no fad, but i done seen it with my own eyes, chemtrails are like part 2 to the killin epoxy. WORD.

well i got morgel/sv40 but i had not made a connect to chemt's. now it is looking like part 2 of the epoxy to kill....it's ok my 1/3, the doom for us is a boomarang to cut off the head of the beast. we have overcome. see you in the new world.

The government is poisoning us and Ron Paul says nothing. All those who promote this shill make me sick. Time for civil disobediance and a mass strike.

WE GOT IT COVERED COMRADE.

They are still spraying us, so you don't have ot covered.

sv40 killed the beast.

Seriously how many people have the so-called Morgellons?

I do not know any people that have it nor do I know of any people who know somebody who has it.

Since this is the case and we are supposedly bombarded with so-called chemtrails on a daily basis; where are all the cases you would expect?

Taking what seems to be an EXTREMELY rare malady and blaming it on chemtrails is a bit ludicrous.

Another thing you don't have is a sample/samples from the so-called chemtrails themselves. Until you have that this is all baseless speculation and specious argument.

But since you all seem happy to carry on a completely ridiculous propaganda campaign, don't cry and whine when people that are grounded in science, technology and physics point out that you are basically on a witch hunt.

Morgellons
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First of all, Morgellons disease is not a "bug".

"Morgellons is a disease that affects humans and animals with a minimum of 93 or more symptoms. Humans experience different colored fibers growing out of their skin with the presence of lesions that ooze a gel like material or may have the feeling of hot burning glass ripping through the underside of their skin as a needle. Toxicological Pathology evaluations of specimens taken from a patient who was diagnosed with this disease and was having a knee replacement operation revealed that the specimen contained silica and silicone.2 Further analysis of these specimens using Micro Raman technology revealed that the fibers that grew out of this same patient were composed of a two part polyester, like a plastic straw within a straw with a head that was made up of silicone (Figure 1 -2 & 1-3). Polyester is a definite man-made material. It is "nylon" by another name. Nylon is a compound that is a lipophatic compound, just as silicone. In addition, high density polyethylene fibers were found in a different patient's heel of their foot. (Figure 1-4). The difference in these compounds and ones that are man-made in a chemical factory are that they have a size, which is measured at a 'NANO' level."
( [link to www.rense.com]

And, as far as where they come from...
"Plants, humans and other animals are constantly exposed in their environment to a vast array of chemicals that are foreign to their bodies. These foreign chemicals, or xenobiotics, can be of natural origin or they can be man-made. In general, the more lipophilic (fat loving) compounds are readily absorbed through the skin, across the lungs, or through the gastrointestinal tract. Constant or even intermittent exposure to these lipophilic chemicals could result in their accumulation within the organism, unless effective means of elimination are present. Indeed, chemicals can be excreted unchanged into urine, bile, feces, expired air, and perspiration. Except for exhalation, the ease with which compounds are eliminated from the body largely depends on their water solubility. This is particularly true for non-volatile chemicals that are eliminated in urine and feces, the predominant routes of elimination. Lipophilic compounds that are present in these excretory fluids tend to diffuse into cellular membranes and are reabsorbed, whereas water soluble compounds are excreted. Therefore, it is apparent why lipophilic xenobiotics could accumulate within the body; They are readily absorbed but poorly excreted."
( [link to www.rense.com]

Secondly, for those of you who believe fluoride is put into everyday things like toothpaste, water and some antidepressants for good reasons:

"2) The research on fluoride and the brain has been fueled by 18 human studies from China, India, Iran, and Mexico finding elevated levels of fluoride exposure to be associated with IQ deficits in children. Fluoride's impact on IQ is exacerbated among children with low-iodine exposure. "
( [link to www.fluoridealert.org]

Fluoride makes people more docile. Don't take my word for it, do the research yourself.

You want some fucking proofs ? Take a cotton swab , a 3% peroxide bottle , apply it 3-4 times to a perfectly clean wound or a thin skin area.


Now watch those fucking black fibers stick to your cotton swab.

Enjoy.








Also those nanobots demonstrate a survival mindset. I putted my toothbrush in a small perfectly clean up and filled it with peroxide to clean it up. When I looked it up this morning some fibers assembled themselves as roots at 3 distinctive places around the cup in an attempt to get out........ The place around the cup was perfectly clean and untouched.


Btw english isnt my native language.

Soon ill try the same fucking thing but i will film it to see it in action.