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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318049
10/27/2007 8:03 AM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
fair enough, I'm cool as well, but don't think ''they'' have our best interests at heart, because they DO NOT!
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| FreeFlow
User ID: 51202
10/27/2007 8:06 AM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
I never said it is coming at us. Nor did free flow either, I don't think. I haven't read ALL the thread though, so I might be wrong about that.
.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318049
Yes I never said that except when I made that joke to 8....
I am trying to concentrate on what caused it and that NASA doesn't provide pics hints that they are involved in the incident.
Remember NASA is not what it appears, they are actually a space defense agency and they have a lot of highly advanced secret crafts at their disposal, IMO.
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 186755
10/27/2007 8:11 AM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Mabus then will soon die, there will come
of people and beasts a horrible rout:
Then suddenly one will see vengeance,
hundred, hand, thirst, hunger when the comet will run.
well we know that mabus when looked at backwards in a mirror says sudam, which is a reference to saddam hussain and given he has now been hanged thats the first part fullfilled, now another marker in this quatrain is when the comet will run....
a comet run is growing----- yes or no ? seen with the naked eye....
Holmes makes this the comet! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 199381
10/27/2007 8:16 AM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
I am trying to concentrate on what caused it and that NASA doesn't provide pics hints that they are involved in the incident.
Remember NASA is not what it appears, they are actually a space defense agency and they have a lot of highly advanced secret crafts at their disposal, IMO. Quoting: FreeFlow
Then it could be Cassani (wrong spelling) since would they want that stain on their record? |
| 89446
User ID: 252155
10/27/2007 8:21 AM
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Well theres a problem with assuming we're being kept in the dark, if it was coming at us we'd know about it because of all the independent observatories who are no doubt interested in this comet's brightneing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 199381
Maybe the independent observatories have the tools to observe, but not to compute orbits or trajectories. The Nearth Earth Object site is owned by NASA. Do you have an example of independent observatory having something similar to NEO?
One thing is sure - the scientist claim they don't know what, why, how. What they know is that it's probably going to get bigger.
And like I showed a couple of pages back, this Comet behaves like the comet that came closest to the Earth in 200 years in 1983. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 199381
10/27/2007 8:24 AM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Maybe the independent observatories have the tools to observe, but not to compute orbits or trajectories. The Nearth Earth Object site is owned by NASA. Do you have an example of independent observatory having something similar to NEO?
One thing is sure - the scientist claim they don't know what, why, how. What they know is that it's probably going to get bigger.
And like I showed a couple of pages back, this Comet behaves like the comet that came closest to the Earth in 200 years in 1983. Quoting: 89446
Ah but they can tell whether its coming our way and if you say no to that then neither do you. |
| 89446
User ID: 252155
10/27/2007 8:41 AM
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Ah but they can tell whether its coming our way and if you say no to that then neither do you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 199381
Can you explain why this sky map hasn't been updated in 3 days?
[link to www.spaceweather.com]
What would it mean if the comet gets bigger but it stays around the same constellation in the sky, not moving much? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318049
10/27/2007 8:47 AM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
it's either coming straight AT us, or going straight AWAY from us?
Heads, or tails? |
| 89446
User ID: 252155
10/27/2007 8:56 AM
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it's either coming straight AT us, or going straight AWAY from us?
Heads, or tails? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318049
Well comet Iras-Araki-Alcock passed very close to Earth ( 0.0312 AU or 4.7 million km) and yet was rather hard to spot from the usual urban or suburban environment.
[link to www.seds.org]
This is supposed to be way way beyond us, and yet not only it is visible but it's supposed to grow. So... nobody knows shit. :) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318049
10/27/2007 8:59 AM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
I agree 89466. Something is VERY odd about this, speaking as a layman of course.
I'd say a few experts are scratching their heads about this as well, and I'd also say there are one or two on this planet who know EXACTLY what is going on. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318049
10/27/2007 9:00 AM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
* 89446
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318099
10/27/2007 9:03 AM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Discovered by Edwin Holmes on November 6, 1892 whilst conducting regular observations of the Andromeda Galaxy (M31).
Aphelion distance: 5.2004 AU
Perihelion distance: 2.1655 AU
Semi-major axis: 3.618 AU
Eccentricity: 0.4120
Orbital period: 7.0679 a
Inclination: 19.1877°
Last perihelion: May 11, 2000
Next perihelion (predicted): May 4, 2007
Most comets are extra solar, in other words they come into and move out of our solar system....
However not all do.
Holmes is a comet that has an oblique orbit within our solar system....its orbit is within the orbits of Jupiter and Mars.
How big is it?
My guess is its probably somewhere in size between a large office building and a nimitz class aircraft carrier or two.
So its not really big....most comets aren't.
My other guess is that somehow its surface has warmed sufficiently to "out gas"....in other words, the ice began to melt....and evaporate off its surface.
No Tail?
Its possible, that the tail is behind it as its viewed from earth.
To understand what a "comet tail" really is you must understand that water or ice vapor and or "dust particles" is literally blown away from the sun, by what is called "solar wind"....the particles ejected by the sun are strong enough to move vapor away from a comet and give the appearance of a "Tail".
(think dirty snowball)
Additionally, this comet may have struck an asteroid, or come near enough to one that its surface was agitated. It does move through the asteroid belt twice in each orbit
Is this a big deal, as in earth shattering end of life as we know it event?
No.
Is it going to hit earth?
No.
Are people on various forums freaking out....
Yes.
I've been an amature astronomer since my teens and have an 18 inch Dobsonian "Obsession" telescope. But considering all the trouble it takes to move it out to the country to "Dark Sky's" I'm not going to make a special trip just to view Holmes. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 275504
10/27/2007 9:27 AM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Discovered by Edwin Holmes on November 6, 1892 whilst conducting regular observations of the Andromeda Galaxy (M31).
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No Tail?
Its possible, that the tail is behind it as its viewed from earth.
To understand what a "comet tail" really is you must understand that water or ice vapor and or "dust particles" is literally blown away from the sun, by what But considering all the trouble it takes to move it out to the country to "Dark Sky's" I'm not going to make a special trip just to view Holmes. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318099
well that settles it
guess you know it all
[link to mallincam.tripod.com] |
| 89446
User ID: 252155
10/27/2007 9:27 AM
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No Tail?
Its possible, that the tail is behind it as its viewed from earth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318099
Thanks for the detailed answers. 
But then:
Dust particles form the first tail. This comet tail generally points back along the comet path (so if the comet is traveling right, the dust tail extends to the left).
[link to www.windows.ucar.edu]
So if the tail is behind this comet from our point of observation, the comet is traveling this way. No? |
| FreeFlow
User ID: 51202
10/27/2007 9:38 AM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
89446 I think we all got what you are assuming, you must not repeat and endlessly continue to underline it.
Your theory would be good for an own thread, it would mean this is not comet Holmes what they are observing but an unknown one if you were correct.
And I must disagree again, that comet from 1978 you brought up as a comparison never brightened up for a factor of a million within 24 hours, and those 24 hours only say it was discovered the next night, the explosion itself was much shorter I strongly have to suppose.
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318099
10/27/2007 9:44 AM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
No Tail?
Its possible, that the tail is behind it as its viewed from earth.
Thanks for the detailed answers.
But then:
Dust particles form the first tail. This comet tail generally points back along the comet path (so if the comet is traveling right, the dust tail extends to the left).
[ link to www.windows.ucar.edu]
So if the tail is behind this comet from our point of observation, the comet is traveling this way. No?
You didn't read what I said....go back and read it.
There is no wind in space except solar wind....now think about it
This comet has been in orbit around the sun for a long time....again read what I said....
IT IS NOT HEADING TOWARDS EARTH! |
| Starseeder
User ID: 316037
10/27/2007 9:45 AM
 | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 11132
10/27/2007 9:48 AM | | FreeFlow
User ID: 51202
10/27/2007 9:49 AM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Thanks for that vid!
Especially the animated view on the solar system from above was telling and shows we should see a tail indeed if it had one ...
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 275504
10/27/2007 9:49 AM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
This comet has been in orbit around the sun for a long time....again read what I said....
IT IS NOT HEADING TOWARDS EARTH!
no one knows what will happen next
they can't explain what is happening
disturbance in the field baby |
| FreeFlow
User ID: 51202
10/27/2007 9:50 AM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
IT IS NOT HEADING TOWARDS EARTH!
no one knows what will happen next
they can't explain what is happening
disturbance in the field baby Quoting: Anonymous Coward 275504
Exactly!
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
| 89446
User ID: 252155
10/27/2007 9:51 AM
| | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
You didn't read what I said....go back and read it.
There is no wind in space except solar wind....now think about it
This comet has been in orbit around the sun for a long time....again read what I said....
IT IS NOT HEADING TOWARDS EARTH! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318099
Where the heck did I say anything about wind in space??? |
| 89446
User ID: 252155
10/27/2007 9:53 AM
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89446 I think we all got what you are assuming, you must not repeat and endlessly continue to underline it.
Your theory would be good for an own thread, it would mean this is not comet Holmes what they are observing but an unknown one if you were correct. Quoting: FreeFlow
I see. So what do you want to talk about on this thread? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318049
10/27/2007 9:54 AM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
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| exxile
User ID: 317915
10/27/2007 10:00 AM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Then is a Gravitational magnifying glass effect!  |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 279081
10/27/2007 10:00 AM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
I made a comment yesterday about how the comet appeared to be the victim of an impactor...most likely an asteroid...that would explain the sudden brightening, however i never said that the comet was headed towards Earth, it looks like it is headed directly away from Earth.
However, the impact with the asteroid, and i do believe that is what happened, and also the huge increase in outgasing could very well have perturbed its orbit, so in another 7 years when it comes by again its trajectory could have changed.
I feel that NASA or whomever the powers that be who are studying this are trying to pinpoint the change in the trajectory at this very moment.
Could be a good thing it got smacked or could be a bad thing, just have to wait and see. |
| FreeFlow
User ID: 51202
10/27/2007 10:03 AM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
I made a comment yesterday about how the comet appeared to be the victim of an impactor...most likely an asteroid...that would explain the sudden brightening, however i never said that the comet was headed towards Earth, it looks like it is headed directly away from Earth.
However, the impact with the asteroid, and i do believe that is what happened, and also the huge increase in outgasing could very well have perturbed its orbit, so in another 7 years when it comes by again its trajectory could have changed.
I feel that NASA or whomever the powers that be who are studying this are trying to pinpoint the change in the trajectory at this very moment.
Could be a good thing it got smacked or could be a bad thing, just have to wait and see. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 279081
I said the same almost at the beginning of this thread, it must have been hit by something.
Tho the orbit simulation actually suggests it's more like running parallel than going away from us, tho this depends on the angle of view.
edit:
An amount of trajectory change is likely if it was an impact, only how much is the question.
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318049
10/27/2007 10:16 AM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
if it was an impact, we'd have to be INCREDIBLY unlucky for it now to be on collision course with us.
I reckon you'd be far more likely to win tonight's Lotto draw. |
| Randa
User ID: 113496
10/27/2007 10:26 AM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Hit by the barksdale nuke that went missing? |
| FreeFlow
User ID: 51202
10/27/2007 10:36 AM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
A gaseous cloud is racing away from the comet's core almost doubling in size from night to night. This sequence of images was captured by Wah! of Hong Kong using a Meade 8-inch LX200 on Oct 25th and 26th (details).
[link to spaceweather.com]
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
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