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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 269949
10/28/2007 1:14 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Could it be a secret satellite equipped with a nuke stolen from Minot? |
| FreeFlow
User ID: 51202
10/28/2007 1:20 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Hope this figure clears up the confusion where the tails points to:
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318602
10/28/2007 1:21 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
SHIT IT'S COMING CLOSER!!! LOOOK!!!!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 179644
10/28/2007 1:22 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Once again the 'fire the grid' idiots have screwed us. How many more disasters will they cause? |
| FreeFlow
User ID: 51202
10/28/2007 1:24 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Once again the 'fire the grid' idiots have screwed us. How many more disasters will they cause? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 179644
Reminds me of the old witch hunts.
No I say if even then fire the grid only caused some personal probs for those who participated, everything else is pure scapegoat spin ...
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 315298
10/28/2007 1:26 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
comet: A chunk of frozen gasses, ice, and rocky debris that orbits the Sun. A comet nucleus is about the size of a mountain on earth. When a comet nears the Sun, heat vaporizes the icy material producing a cloud of gaseous material surrounding the nucleus, called a coma. As the nucleus begins to disintegrate, it also produces a trail of dust or dust tail in its orbital path and a gas or ion tail pointing away from the Sun. Comet comas can extend up to a million miles from the nucleus and comet tails can be millions of miles long. There are thought to be literally trillions of comets in our solar system out past Neptune and Pluto, but only once per decade or so does one become near and bright enough to see easily without binoculars or a telescope. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318609
10/28/2007 1:36 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
That question is fairly easy, a comets tail is "mainly" composed of light materials able to be affected by the solar wind, ice crystals etc.
The debris cloud is composed of matter flung out by the impact explosion, without gravity and friction the ejected matter continues in the direction it left the impact site.
If you imagine flinging a handful of sand in space it will continue in the same direction but will spread out over time. Quoting: Prof-Rabbit 148352
I agree with part of what you say. Matter will continue to fly away from an object without gravity after it has been impacted and fragmented. However, that material should still be affected by solar wind and develop a visible tail unless the object is moving directily in line with Earth and Sun...toward Earth or away from it. It is akin to tossing the handful of sand into the air. While much of the sand will continue in the direction that it is tossed, some may also be scattered in a cross direction by the Earth's wind (solar wind in space).
IF this "comet" is on a trajectory toward us, while the sun is on the opposite side of Earth from the comet, then that would explain the lack of a visible tail since the solar wind would be blowing the tail directly away from us...but that would also indicate that the comet is heading toward us. Not so good.
There does seem to be the possibility, however, that, even IF this thing is coming toward us it may be intercepted by the moon, for the moon can move quite a distance in a short time, and it may well act as a shield if it is positioned in a direct line between the comet and Earth when the comet(?) reaches our little corner of the universe. What, I wonder, would be the effects on the moon and on the Earth if any if a comet collides with our moon? |
| FreeFlow
User ID: 51202
10/28/2007 1:48 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
The denser offset dust cloud says it doesn't move towards us, the outer halo itself is gas which sticks with the comet obviously.
I don't see anything which hints it is traveling towards us ...
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318518
10/28/2007 1:55 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
i'm like a dog w/a bone on this hubblecraft thing. haven't been able to find any reports on it being parked high in the nw sky for 3 days, moving and returning the 25th and on the 27th moved away to the se. someone said they heard on the news it was going to be moved from the nw sky, so that adds up, but the hubblecraft is supposedly kept in a low orbit 28.5* and it flys fast, 17,000mph. and what i saw was moving faster than a plane but not 17,000mph. and is only 45.5 ft. long. this doesn't match what i seen. i scoured the hubblecraft website and no mention was made of it being moved or serviced. it just doesn't add up. i'm wondering if it was something else i saw, not a ufo but something else nasa has up there. i would truly appreciate if anyone could set me straight on this. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318518
10/28/2007 1:59 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
The denser offset dust cloud says it doesn't move towards us, the outer halo itself is gas which sticks with the comet obviously.
I don't see anything which hints it is traveling towards us ... Quoting: FreeFlow |
| FreeFlow
User ID: 51202
10/28/2007 2:02 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Something's fishy I don't deny that but it's not coming at us.
It's moving quite parallel to earth currently so no wonder the sky charts show no significant change of position.
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318594
10/28/2007 2:07 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
it has gotten brighter and faded off and on throughout the years. seems to be right on track. |
| 9net
User ID: 318629
10/28/2007 2:16 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
This is one weird comet,because such explosion requires quite a lot of material/energy.Doesn't seem like a comet to me. |
| 89446
User ID: 252155
10/28/2007 2:20 PM
 | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Something's fishy I don't deny that but it's not coming at us.
It's moving quite parallel to earth currently so no wonder the sky charts show no significant change of position. Quoting: FreeFlow
You're talking about sky charts showing position. Do you have a link to a recent sky chart that shows the position of the comet? And I'm not talking about the October 24 one. |
| 89446
User ID: 252155
10/28/2007 2:21 PM
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Mines not really conspiricy based, more of a dusty ball unluckily getting hit... and I mean REALLY dusty. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 199381
It's a cospiracy theory as well! |
| 89446
User ID: 252155
10/28/2007 2:22 PM
| | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
FFS DUDE, THE TAIL POINTS AWAY FROM THE SUN! How many times do you have to be told this before you comprehend this ? So, if a comet was moving AWAY from the sun, it would be moving INTO its own tail, as the solar winds push the particles AWAY from the sun.
Moving TOWARDS the sun, the tail would be behind it.
Now, as its in orbit, where ever the comet is, what ever it is doing, the tail will always be pointing away from the sun.
Clear ? Good. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318597
Take a chill pill.
EDIT - like the OP showed to you, the dust tail always points away from the comet's direction of movement.
With this comet we have a very large dust emission which cannot be caused by the Sun because allegedly the comet is far away, but the theory is that it's dust and gas emitted by the comet "for an unknown reason".
Well, all that stuff should be seen trailing sideways it if it was moving sideways from our vantage point, but it's not. So it's either trailing in front of it or behind it or the "thing" is stationary. Comprende? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 222335
10/28/2007 2:23 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
That question is fairly easy, a comets tail is "mainly" composed of light materials able to be affected by the solar wind, ice crystals etc.
The debris cloud is composed of matter flung out by the impact explosion, without gravity and friction the ejected matter continues in the direction it left the impact site.
If you imagine flinging a handful of sand in space it will continue in the same direction but will spread out over time.
I agree with part of what you say. Matter will continue to fly away from an object without gravity after it has been impacted and fragmented. However, that material should still be affected by solar wind and develop a visible tail unless the object is moving directily in line with Earth and Sun...toward Earth or away from it. It is akin to tossing the handful of sand into the air. While much of the sand will continue in the direction that it is tossed, some may also be scattered in a cross direction by the Earth's wind (solar wind in space).
IF this "comet" is on a trajectory toward us, while the sun is on the opposite side of Earth from the comet, then that would explain the lack of a visible tail since the solar wind would be blowing the tail directly away from us...but that would also indicate that the comet is heading toward us. Not so good.
There does seem to be the possibility, however, that, even IF this thing is coming toward us it may be intercepted by the moon, for the moon can move quite a distance in a short time, and it may well act as a shield if it is positioned in a direct line between the comet and Earth when the comet(?) reaches our little corner of the universe. What, I wonder, would be the effects on the moon and on the Earth if any if a comet collides with our moon? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318609
I got this big 165 pound Saint Bernard. If he farts into the wind, at just the right time, after eating a box of prunes, while docked at the Skylab, his gas can deflect one of Jupiter's moons. So, nothing to fear; I am on the phone with NASA as I type this...
Oh, NASA just said Skylab went down? Who has been lying to me all this time!!!! Its a conspiracy I tell you! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318518
10/28/2007 2:26 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
This is one weird comet,because such explosion requires quite a lot of material/energy.Doesn't seem like a comet to me. Quoting: 9net 318629 |
| FreeFlow
User ID: 51202
10/28/2007 2:29 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
You're talking about sky charts showing position. Do you have a link to a recent sky chart that shows the position of the comet? And I'm not talking about the October 24 one. Quoting: 89446
I don't have any new ones but look at the charts here and see it takes a month or so to change its position significantly:
[link to www.aerith.net]
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 164765
10/28/2007 2:30 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Awfully strange.
Shouldn't this be pinned? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 235208
10/28/2007 2:30 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
This is one weird comet,because such explosion requires quite a lot of material/energy.Doesn't seem like a comet to me.
thats what i keep saying, such a huge cloud yet it does not appear to have lost any of its mass or density. it seems less like a comet all the time. and i guess its in orbit, apparently with us. the suspense is getting to me, and wont somebody please come up with something about the hubble craft with which i am obsessing? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318518
I been in touch with NASA and they say everythings ok they're just experiencing a little 'hubble trouble' |
| A_G1RL
User ID: 273050
10/28/2007 2:30 PM
 | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Again with my two cents.
You aren't going to find anything about them moving Hubble BECAUSE THEY DON'T. It's in ORBIT and basically 'falls' around the earth. Just like the ISS orbits, and other things at that distance from the surface and such high speed ORBIT. They don't move the whole thing around.
I don't know who came up with this move and park stuff about the Hubble, but I'm calling bullhockey on that story. As far as what you're seeing in the sky that is moving and parking.... I have no idea what it is but it's NOT Hubble.
"When freedom is at stake, silence is not golden....it's yellow" ?
[link to BoldVoices.TV] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 222335
10/28/2007 2:32 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
I hereby predict that the night of this 31st will be a special one for us Earthlings.
Dumb GLP forum Dictator Guy is still pinning the wrong threads... |
| A_G1RL
User ID: 273050
10/28/2007 2:33 PM
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such a huge cloud yet it does not appear to have lost any of its mass or density. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318518
Theory, if something did hit it but Holmes has not lost any of IT'S mass, couldn't this cloud therefore be the remains of the thing that hit it?
"When freedom is at stake, silence is not golden....it's yellow" ?
[link to BoldVoices.TV] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318609
10/28/2007 2:38 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
such a huge cloud yet it does not appear to have lost any of its mass or density.
Theory, if something did hit it but Holmes has not lost any of IT'S mass, couldn't this cloud therefore be the remains of the thing that hit it? Quoting: A_G1RL
Aboslutely could be. It may have been hit more than once and may be hit again if whatever struck it is part of some swarm of meteors or asteroids or some "other." |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318620
10/28/2007 2:39 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
PIN THIS!!! |
| FreeFlow
User ID: 51202
10/28/2007 2:41 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
such a huge cloud yet it does not appear to have lost any of its mass or density.
Theory, if something did hit it but Holmes has not lost any of IT'S mass, couldn't this cloud therefore be the remains of the thing that hit it? Quoting: A_G1RL
Please again, check out how Tempel reacted to the impact then, HOLMES one shows exactly the same behavior albeit a magnitude higher ...
It 's the typical reaction of a comet when hit by a large or powerful (<---- hint hint) object
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318609
10/28/2007 2:42 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
I hereby predict that the night of this 31st will be a special one for us Earthlings.
Dumb GLP forum Dictator Guy is still pinning the wrong threads... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 222335
Tsk! Tsk! Let's show a little respect for our Mod Squad. After all, they have the "GLP radio needs hits" thread pinned. These peope are professionals. PROFESSIONALS I tell ye! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 235208
10/28/2007 2:44 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
PIN THIS!!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318620
They won't, regardless of thread activity, the more we say PIN, the more they say no, evidently mod pride/power is more important than what us stupid users want. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318481
10/28/2007 2:51 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
such a huge cloud yet it does not appear to have lost any of its mass or density.
Theory, if something did hit it but Holmes has not lost any of IT'S mass, couldn't this cloud therefore be the remains of the thing that hit it?
Please again, check out how Tempel reacted to the impact then, HOLMES one shows exactly the same behavior albeit a magnitude higher ...
It 's the typical reaction of a comet when hit by a large or powerful (<---- hint hint) object Quoting: FreeFlow
why would ''they'' hit an object this far away from us though, which has virtually NO chance of impacting us? Unless they are trying to turn virtually no chance, into a viable possibility of impacting us?
Was the Tempel impact a trial run for this? Did they get vital trajectory calculations from that experiment, and utilise them with 17p?
What better way to depopulate the planet, than a comet impact? A lot cleaner than a nuke war.
just thinking outside of the box. |
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