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17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet'

 
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I've thought all along that comet Holmes is no ordinary comet. From the fact that it flared a million times in brightness, when it was 200 million miles from the Sun, while it was moving away from the Sun. From the fact that if there is any historical precedence for this, it's this very same comet, which flared similarly in 1892.

My view is there probably was some kind of impact on comet Holmes. But there is something about the composition of comet Holmes, that an ordinary impact, will cause an extraordinary increase in brightness. The type of impact that wouldn't be noticeable at all on another comet, will be extemely noticeable on comet Holmes.

And what could that be, that would make an ordinary impact extraordinarily bright? I've always thought antimatter, the electrical theory of the universe, nuclear, or a black hole. With all of those, a small impact, could release an intense amount of energy.

After the release of the Hubble pictures of comet Holmes, I'm leaning strongly towards black hole.

The pictures of comet Holmes from Hubble are considered by far the highest resolution, closest view of the core of the comet so far-

[link to imgsrc.hubblesite.org]

Note the 'bowtie' structure that appears in the above Hubble image. Also note that the core appears black.

Now take a look at some images of black holes. Guess what? A loose Bowtie structure, and a black core-

[link to images.google.com]

Also note in a article linked to earlier in this thread, that in a radical new theory, it is proposed that mini black holes are spread throughout the universe, including out own solar system!

Quoting MSNBC-"If a radical new "braneworld" theory of gravity is correct, then scattered throughout our solar system are thousands of tiny black holes, each about the size of an atomic nucleus. Unlike their larger brethren, these mini-black holes are primordial leftovers from the Big Bang and affect space-time differently because of their close association with a fifth dimension."

[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]

Let's say comet Holmes is indeed one of these mini black holes, and that a small impact not noticeable on another comet, releases an extraordinary amount of energy on impact with comet Holmes.

What amount of energy would be released if such a mini black hole like comet Holmes were to hit something large, say a planet?

Running the orbit simulation ahead for comet Holmes, unless it's orbit was changed dramatically by the events, we can rest easy for awhile. The next close approach of comet Holmes to any planet would be Mars in 2028. More ominously, and a much closer approach, would be to Jupiter in 2051-

[link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]

Given the enormous mass of Jupiter, greater than all the other planets in the solar system combined, and the great gravitational pull that entails, a small change in orbit of comet Holmes could indeed suck mini black hole into the great gas giant Jupiter. Which will cause an unimaginable conflagration, soon engulfing all planets in our solar system, inexorably wiping all traces of the human race from the universe, for cryin' in the sink!

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LOL. FreeFlow has risen from the dead!

ALL HAIL COMET HOLMES

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Yes my Holme and me both won't go away lol.

Thanks guys for everything!!!!
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Can someone please post a star chart showing its
current location
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WHERE IS FREE-FLOW.
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Discovery
[link to cometography.com]

E. Holmes (London, England) was a regular observer of the Andromeda galaxy (M31), so he knew the region very well. On the evening of 1892 November 6, with skies that were not very favorable, he finished making a few observations of Jupiter and some double stars with his 32-cm reflector, and then decided to take a quick look at the faint companions of Mu Andromedae and the nearby galaxy M31 before quitting for the night.

Sorry evening can't be, go and check the position of Holmes for Nov 1892 here:
[link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]

Considering the anti-clockwise rotation of earth when the solar system is seen from above this Holmes must have set before the sun then and so could have been visible only in the morning skies.


You cant just run the current orbit back in time to see where it was when it was discovered as its orbit is effected by Jupiter:

Close approaches to planets: During the 20th century, this comet made two close approaches to Jupiter. There are also two close approaches to Jupiter during the 21st century. (From the orbital work of Kazuo Kinoshita and G. W. Kronk)

0.54 AU from Jupiter on 1908 December 9
increased perihelion distance from 2.12 AU to 2.34 AU
increased orbital period from 6.86 to 7.33 years
1.03 AU from Jupiter during 1968 April
decreased perihelion distance from 2.35 AU to 2.16 AU
decreased orbital period from 7.35 to 7.05 years
1.50 AU from Jupiter during 2004 January
decreased perihelion distance from 2.17 AU to 2.05 AU
decreased orbital period from 7.07 to 6.88 years
0.85 AU from Jupiter on 2051 April 8
increased perihelion distance from 2.06 AU to 2.21 AU
increased orbital period from 6.89 to 7.21 years

The above is from [link to cometography.com] at the end of the article
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I THINK OUR SCIENTISTS KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE THEIR OBSERVATIONS SAW SOMETHING SIMILAR ON A LARGER SCALE:


Young Star May Be Belching Spheres of Gas, Astronomers Say

A young star more than 2,000 light-years away in the constellation Cepheus may be belching out spheres of gas, say astronomers who observed it with the National Science Foundation's Very Long Baseline Array (VLBA) radio telescope.

The sphere would be about 1.5 times the size of the Solar System.

Because the arc, and presumably the sphere of which it is part, is so thin and so uniform, the researchers say that it came from a single, short-lived ejection.

"We now have at least one case, we believe, in which a young star has repeatedly ejected mass spherically in short bursts," Guillem Anglada, of the Institute of Astrophysics of Andalucia (CSIC), in Granada, Spain, said.

"In light of our current understanding of star formation, we don't yet understand how this can happen, so we have an exciting new scientific challenge. It is surprising that nature can maintain such perfect symmetry, especially since the environment around the young star must be so varied. This appears to be a triumph of order over chaos," he added.

[link to www.spaceref.com]
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supernova 2006 gy and comet holmes are the same object. why the disinfo regarding this?
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Naked Eye Comet Holmes - The Jelly fish Larger Than The Sun!

[link to eder.csillagaszat.hu]

17P/ Holmes is still thrilling observers all over the world since it increased a million times in brightness on Oct 23rd from magnitude +17 to +2.2 in less than 24 hours. The images now appearing on the internet taken by amateur astronomers are simply incredible. The above image was captured by Ivan Eder from Budapest, Hungary (Europe) on Nov 4th 2007 (visit his website). On this image and on many others comet Holmes looks like a giant Jelly Fish. The 'head' of this fish is composed of gas and dust larger than the diameter of the Sun making Holmes the largest object in the solar system. The 'tentacles' are a series of extremely complex Ion tails getting buffeted by changes in the solar wind. The dust is leaving the tiny 3km icy nucleus at some 600m/sec after it exploded into view as an intruder in the constellation Perseus two weeks ago.

This is the largest cometary outburst ever observed since records began making Holmes a most unusual comet and a once in a life time object for star gazers and members of the public alike.
believe that the comet's nucleus collided with a small asteroid or the comet itself had a companion nucleus which impacted the primary component. If correct then this is the 2nd impact ever witnessed in our solar system since Shoemaker-Levy-9 collided with planet Jupiter in 1994. Holmes is expected to stay visible for some as it gradually fades from view however there could be another outburst at the beginning of 2008 so don't take your eyes of this comet!.

[link to www.nightskyhunter.com]



"What exactly happened is still a mystery however scientist..."

"... however there could be another outburst at the beginning of 2008 so don't take your eyes of this comet!."

I am curious about the apparent contradiction of professed ignorance regarding Holmes and the following
prediction of another outburst.

Is it a planetary alignment they are acknowledging which would, IMO, support the electrical theory rather than their gravitational theory?

Just a little perplexed by the professional logic I guess.
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Okay, I am finally checking out this Comet Holmes.

I don't know why I was never compelled to get excited about it. I took no interest in this thread. I never went outside to look for it. I find that strange because I was all over Comet Neat.

Anyhoo, I looked at some of the pictures/videos posted and I have come to the gut conclusion that this is NOT a comet as defined by science.

This phenomenon is a spirit energy putting out a very strong burst of energy. If this spirit were physically here on Earth then they would be enlightened emitting a very strong aura. A golden child, a Christ, or whatever label you choose to use.

I just get the feeling that it is a soul...not a chunk of ice or dust particles per se...but is an energy--A soul energy.

I have seen and personally experienced an amazing event that happened right before my eyes in a waking state. Out of the night sky, just to the right of a crescented moon....what appeared to be twinkling star began to blink and dance in the sky. My husband and I were walking and it went through all types of aerial gymnastics to get our attention. "Hey look at me!!!" is what feeling we got. So, we stopped and paid attention and then outbursted. As my husband and I watched in amazement oyr mouths dropped open and we were frozen in awe.

Our ears were ringing and whooshing, pressurising and de-ressurizing, and then this star energy began to pulsate. The sound frequencies/vibrations/pressures were musical in a sense. We were being talked to...telepathically or celestialpathically. <<<< I made that word up ;)

After it was finished with its sky show....it basically sent the message that "it had to go and to take care" and collapsed within itself...once it was gone...we could hear a very high pitched "peek" sound...similar to turning off a television.

Now, my usband and I had just suffered a miscariage. I was released from the hospital the day before. We feel that experience was meant for us who were full of grief and sorrow. We know that light, sound, and energy we felt was the soul energy of our child who wasn't able to manifest here and had returned to the heavens. It was an "I'm okay...See" message.

So, my point is...that the immediate feeling I got when I looked at the pics and videos in this post was that it was not a "rock of ice and gas" but an "entity". Perhaps this entity was using the rock as a easy way to travel into this dimension--a conservationist, no doubt. When the time was right, it outbursted...sending waves of energy out larger than the sun....

I am curious WHO is this energy that is so loudly screaming "look at me"? Is it telepathically communicating with anyone/anything on Earth? I haven't looked outside and maybe I will now. But, since I wasn't initially drawn to look outside I don't think there was a message for me, directly. No downloads here. But, I can say my ears have been a bit sensitive lately.



Yes i do agree ..spirits do create. That intangible world is limitless in the creation abilities. All that needs to come will come. All that needs to happen will happen. Love MUST manifest itself into its purest form. Start with the greatest quality there is and there is no limit.

When a person is scared of a new scary world they pray hard for love and peace. thats purity. the is the core. The singularity : )
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COMET 17P/Holmes
Total-magnitude and coma-diameter estimates (visual unless otherwise noted):
2007 Nov.
28.08, 3.4, 30' (W. Souza, Sao Paulo, Brazil, 3x40 opera-glass monocular) ;
27.86, 2.9, 45' (M. Meyer, Limburg, Germany, 3.5x15 opera glasses);
27.83, 3.1, & 48' (A. Pereira, Cabo da Roca, Portugal, 5x22 monocular);
27.81, 2.9, 40' (J. J. Gonzalez, Leon, Spain, 4x30 opera glasses);
27.77, 3.4, -- (R. Y. Shida, Garching bei Muenchen, Germany, naked eye);
27.75, 3.7, 55' (U. Pilz, Leipzig, Germany, naked eye);
27.75, 2.7, 60' (T. Scarmato, Calabria, Italy, naked eye);
27.73, 3.4, 36' (P. Morel, Douai, France, 7x20 binoculars);
27.70, 3.1, 50' (K. Hornoch, Vohancice, Czech Republic, 1x50 monocular);
27.67, 3.0, 40' (B. H. Granslo, R{aa}holt, Norway, 6x30 monocular);
27.09, 4.0, 40' (M. Goiato, Aracatuba, Brasil, 7x50 binoculars; moonlight);
27.03, 3.5, 40' (A. Amorim, Florianopolis, Brazil, 10x50 binoculars; light pollution);
27.02, 3.5, 40' (P. Morel, Paris, France, 7x20 binoculars);
27.01, 3.1, & 45' (A. Pereira, Cabo da Roca, Portugal, 5x22 monocular; moonlight);
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Other possiblities

1. We are looking into an end point of a worm hole, either naturally occuring or created by other beings traveling to our solar system
2. Alien Mothership/Star Cruiser
3. Spontaneous fusion/fission reaction from unstable elements
4. Fusion/fission/chemical reaction from NASA slamming it for research
this is an interesting theory
5. The Sun is acting as a radio tower and the "comets" mass is in a "right spot/time" acting as a reciever in harmony with the Sun radiating solar energy. Just like Nikola Tesla had done with electricity.
6. A severe gravity distortion spinning large amounts of energy and mass. Like a vortex spinning in and out together. The "Bow Tie" look from hubble pics supports such a theory
7. Energy from another dimension/Zero-Point Energy is bursting through
8. The beginning of the alignment with the Galaxy center coming in 2012 (whether that be 2007 or 2012, depends on calender)
9. A form of life. Either supernatural or mortal
10. A device built by our ancestors timed to go off signalling something
11. A secret human spaceship catastrophically being destroyed
12. A gravity/magnetic knot bursting. Just like solar disturbances

I'm deeply interested by #5. I read a lot about Nikola Tesla and this could very well be a frequency anomaly. Several pages earlier in this forum I remarked about the sun expressing a strange vibration seen in a SOHO image with link to pic. Somehow Zero-Point Energy might be involved as well.

I can get with a few of these possibilities...we shall soon see.

Unfortunately, it is rainy and cloudy tonight so I guess I can't look for the first time.
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supernova 2006 gy and comet holmes are the same object. why the disinfo regarding this?
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The Monster of the Night Skies

The comet 17P/Holmes has astronomers around the world scratching their heads in confusion. The heavenly body just keeps getting bigger -- and is now twice the diameter of our sun.

Comets, of course, are no rarity. And it seems like every couple of years or so, one becomes big and bright enough that it can easily be seen from Earth. But the behavior of 17P/Holmes has mystified both hobby astronomers and professionals around the globe.

Rather than shrinking as it gets further from the sun as most comets do, this one just keeps getting bigger and brighter. At the beginning of the week, the cloud of dust and gas surrounding the comet's core -- called the coma -- had already grown larger than the sun. Now, just a few days later, the coma's diameter is twice that of the sun -- the dust cloud measures some 2.7 million kilometers across whereas the sun is just 1.39 million kilometers across. And there is no sign that it is finished.

"The comet is now a long ways away, but the dust cloud is still growing," Dr. Maciej Mikolajewski from the Torun Center for Astronomy at Nicolaus Copernicus University told SPIEGEL ONLINE. "It's the first time I've ever seen such a thing. I've never seen such a bright comet in my life."

Even more interesting than the celestial body's sheer size, however, is that scientists aren't totally sure why it suddenly exploded in brightness throughout October and November. The comet is no longer close enough to the Earth to be readily visible without a telescope, but the head scratching in the scientific community continues.

Mikolajewski, whose institute has been following the path of the comet for more than a month, says that a chemical reaction within the core of 17P/Holmes could be to blame for the explosion in size and brightness. Or, he says, it could have run into an asteroid as it sped through the inner part of the solar system. "Both of those hypotheses are possible," he says.

Frank Brenker, a comet researcher at the University of Frankfurt, likewise thinks that the comet may have run into something. "The impact theory is most plausible," he told SPIEGEL ONLINE. Most comets do gain in size and brightness as they get closer to the sun. But this comet, oddly, doubled in size as it was traveling away from the sun, making it unlikely that the sun was to blame.

The comet 17P/Holmes was discovered in 1892 by the British astronomer Edwin Holmes. That year, the comet was briefly bright enough to be visible with the naked eye before disappearing once again into the nether reaches of the solar system. Every seven years, the four-kilometer wide chunk of ice swings through the center part of the solar system before once again being catapulted back out into space.

Comets often achieve impressive sizes when they are warmed by the sun, and tails can sometimes stretch for thousands of kilometers. "A gigantic comet is nothing all that special," confirms Ulrich Christensen, head of comet and planet research at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research. "But a diameter larger than the sun is certainly unusual."

It could be that researchers never find out exactly what happened to 17P/Holmes. It has been speeding away from the Earth ever since Nov. 7 according to the US space administration NASA. It will be back in 2014.

[link to www.spiegel.de]
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NO GAS

NO DUST

PLASMA

ERUPTION IS THE ELECTRICAL MACHINING OF THE SURFACE, EXPECTED.

ROUND SHAPE IS DUE TO

1. RELATIVELY CIRCULAR ORBIT OF HOLMES
2. SECTOR OF SPACE AND THE EFFECTS OF JUPITER

EXAMPLE, STICK A IRON BAR IN A EGULAR RADIAL MAGNETIC FIELD AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

DEPENDING ON ITS CHARGE DIFFERENCE, IT WILL EITHER FADE OR AS IT MOVES BACK INTO "SYMMETRICAL SPACE" IT WILL DEVELOP A SMALL TAIL.

WHEN YOUR NEON LIGHT IS SWITCHED OFF, LIGHT EQUALS ZERO.

APPLY POWER, VOLTAGE AND IT BURSTS INTO BRILLIANCE.

IN FACT INFINITE BRIGHTER.

NO BIG DEAL.

ELECTRIC CURRENTS AND MAGNETIC FIELDS ALL MOVE AND ACCELERATE CHARGED "PARTICLES" IN A PLASMA.

THOSE ON CRT TUBE MONITORS.

YOU HAVE AN ELECTRON EMITTER, A MAGNETIC COLLAR ACCELERATES THESE TO HIGH VELOCITY BEFORE THAT STRIKE THE SCREEN AND CAUSE COATINGS TO EMIT SYNCHROTRON RADIATIONS, LIGHT.

SAME THING.

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Holmes=Blue Kachina ?
[link to digitally-dominated.110mb.com]
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If it's blue it is heading toward us, red it is moving away or is it vice versa?
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Holmes=Blue Kachina ?
[link to digitally-dominated.110mb.com]
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supernova 2006 gy and comet holmes are the same object. why the disinfo regarding this?









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Hey, what ever happened to HOlmes?
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AAVSO Special Notice #168

Outburst of the symbiotic star Z Andromedae
September 25, 2009

The bright symbiotic star Z Andromedae is currently in outburst, having
risen from magnitude 10.3 to 9.3 over the past 30 days. Rapid brightening
from approximately magnitude 10 to its current brightness occurred over the
past 10-15 days. Both visual and instrumental photometry of Z And are
requested at this time.

Z And is an interacting binary system, where mass is transferred from an M
giant secondary star to a white dwarf primary, where it can undergo
thermonuclear burning on the white dwarf's surface. The star undergoes
outbursts peaking at magnitude 8.5 to 9.5 and typically separated by about
630 days. Larger outbursts occur much less frequently, with recurrence
times of 10-20 years. Observations are requested at this time to assess
whether Z And will brighten significantly beyond the more common outburst
range. Both visual observers and instrumental observers are strongly
encouraged to observe; instrumental observers are asked to make filtered
observations, with Johnson V being the primary filter, and Johnson B being
secondary; other filters may also be used if available, but V and B are
preferred.


Z And is located at the following (J2000) coordinates:

RA: 23:33:40.00 , Dec: +484906.0


Charts for Z And may be plotted with the AAVSO Variable Star Plotter:

[link to www.aavso.org]

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2 days to 2nd anniversary of the comet outburst.
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FIRST TIME IN OVER 500 YEARS MAYA COUNCIL SPEAKS ON 2012...TRUTH FINALLY
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[link to www.fyi-fla.com] AUDIO FILE


THE "END OF TIME" WINDOW HAS BEEN VERIFIED BY MAYAN COUNCIL AND IT BEGAN ON OCTOBER 24, 2007. COMET HOLMES EXPLOSION VERIFIED AS THE BLUE KACHINA.

TOTAL LOSS OF MAGNETOSPHERE WILL SIGNAL A MAGNETIC POLE REVERSAL WHICH WILL SIGNAL A PHYSICAL POLE SHIFT 16 TO 17 DEGREES INTO RUSSIA. IT WILL TAKE APPROX. 20HRS AND THE WORLD WILL BE IN TOTAL DARKNESS FOR 30HRS.


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Sounds about right to me! ohyeah
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Hey Holmes, still thinking of you!
Will be celebrating your anniversary!
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Happy Birthday Comet Holmes :)

What a great show, and dammit I am glad I saw the whole thing! Soon, in summer 2011 the cloud will reach us.....
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Happy Anniversary! Holmes Fan Club President.What a long,agonising 2 years it's been.
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Sorry I missed the party Holmes, I was out looking at Perseus that night and remanicing. I wonder if the new Ukranian Flu is the first wave of debris leading up to the summer of 2011? Anyway, thanks for all the memories Holmes,


Holmes

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:Holmes 2:

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What happened to my beloved GLP????.
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What an awesome pic compilation PhaseSphere!
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What an awesome pic compilation PhaseSphere!
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Thank you, I've got about 100 more and they all came from this thread. I never missed a day at first and I saved every pic from every poster. It took awhile to say the least. Still alot of unanswered questions about Holmes, and it is my opinion that this is still the most important thread on GLP, we are in approach mode now and whatever caused Holmes, or whatever Holmes left behind, may become visible soon. Peace to everyone, even our enemies. Later
What happened to my beloved GLP????.

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