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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318702
10/28/2007 6:10 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
so now it is confirmed that it is exploding?
"Exploding Comet"
I have not seen anything saying this?!?. can someone point me to the article where is says it is indeed exploding?
Thanks |
| Michael
User ID: 181321
10/28/2007 6:18 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
so now it is confirmed that it is exploding?
"Exploding Comet"
I have not seen anything saying this?!?. can someone point me to the article where is says it is indeed exploding?
Thanks Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318702
EXPLODING COMET
[link to www.spaceweather.com]
Peace |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318518
10/28/2007 6:22 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
that doesnt look like a comet and it doesnt really look like an explosion, its too symetrical, it seems more like a field expanding around it than a cloud of debris. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318702
10/28/2007 6:22 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
so now it is confirmed that it is exploding?
"Exploding Comet"
I have not seen anything saying this?!?. can someone point me to the article where is says it is indeed exploding?
Thanks
EXPLODING COMET
[ link to www.spaceweather.com]
Peace
Ah so it is NOT physically exploding. It's just a term they are using to explain the sudden brightness of it.
Thanks! |
| Michael
User ID: 181321
10/28/2007 6:29 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
so now it is confirmed that it is exploding?
"Exploding Comet"
I have not seen anything saying this?!?. can someone point me to the article where is says it is indeed exploding?
Thanks
EXPLODING COMET
[ link to www.spaceweather.com]
Peace
Ah so it is NOT physically exploding. It's just a term they are using to explain the sudden brightness of it.
Thanks!
Correct...and you are most welcome!
Peace |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 316713
10/28/2007 6:31 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Damn Aliens!   |
| * <----star of destiny
User ID: 279402
10/28/2007 6:35 PM
 | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Some world leader must put out a grand message
Quote
And that message must be this ........"We the people of Earth need peace with each other and our planet or future generations will suffer horribly for our inaction. We must find a way to create a sustainable life here on Earth with all life. The functioning with all life is connected with our actions. Peace is of the utmost importance now more so than ever before. Whether you are a God fearing person or a nature fearing person...you must understand that this grand force is trying to get our attention in a most amazing ways. These signs will increase more and more until we human beings fall in line with the rules of this grand force. And the rules are ....peace and love ...love for our families and neighbors and friends and peace so we may love in a world with no problems."
This is the message that some leader must put out to the entire world.
TIME - IS - RUNNING - OUT !
Man's symbiotic connection with the cosmos will be known and there is nothing which can stop that knowing. Because everything we all do everyday helps confirm that truth. It is just that we haven't reached the pinnacle of where it leads. But we will soon enough. We will either live or die with that knowledge. Between Heaven and Earth is us.
Be brave young warriors in truth.
[link to www.youtube.com]
Only a miracle will save us now.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Arthur Schopenhauer
German philosopher (1788 - 1860) |
| *~~The Alien~~*
User ID: 318707
10/28/2007 6:38 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
you know, this is the way it always happens...first there is an exploding comet followed by a gas cloud that surrounds the earth.Next thing you know zombies are trying to eat your brains. It's time to break out the shotty Martha! |
| FreeFlow
User ID: 51202
10/28/2007 6:40 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Ah so it is NOT physically exploding. It's just a term they are using to explain the sudden brightness of it.
Thanks! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318702
It can be called an explosion yet as it has thrown out dust debris and gas, just that not the whole comet went poof as far as we can see.
Btw it was spaceweather which put up that title Exploding Comet, they still are calling it like that:
[link to spaceweather.com]
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
| hatch battener
User ID: 281732
10/28/2007 6:51 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
There just doesn't seem to be enough original matter to make a sphere as large as Jupiter and still be seen. This is truly bizarre. Quoting: SPIDER
Good point. The comets nucleus is believed to be 2 miles in diameter. Jupiter is 88,000 miles in diameter. What could cause such a small object to become so big and so bright?
There may be clues in the history of comet Holmes, that this comet may not be an ordinary comet.
I've done quite a bit of reading on comet Holmes, and probably the only thing close to the unprecedented increase in brightness of comet Holmes over the past few days, was the startling increase in brightness of comet Holmes back in 1892, when it was discovered by Edwin Holmes in London. Back then like now, comet Holmes flared up out of the blue to become naked eye overnight, and was discovered by the amateur astronomer Holmes. Astronomy must have been more a domain of the upper classes back then, because from the accounts I read from the period, there was some disdain in the scientific community that an amateur astronomer had discovered it. Apparently at the time, comet Holmes was the first comet discovered by an amateur astronomer in many years. The naked eye comet out of the blue caused quite a sensation. Even some speculation in the public that the comet might hit the Earth! Then the comet faded to it's normal brightness. So dim that the comet with a 6 year orbital period was lost and not seen again until 1960.
...given that this is the second time this has happened in recent history, the odds that this is due to an impact (raising 'dust') of some sort is quite slim. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 316011
I agree. Of the thousands of comets out there, what is it about comet Holmes that causes these dramatic spikes in brightness? Is it ordinary impacts? If so, why don't we see such spikes in other comets? It is something in that particular region of space, some have speculated on the mysterious "dark matter" may have been in it's path. But I ran the orbital simulation back to 1892 and comet Holmes was in an entirely different region of space than it's last flareup.
Maybe it is not ordinary impacts, but something in the makeup of comet Holmes, that makes an ordinary impact extraordinarily bright?
What could that be? Antimatter? Possibly. There has been some speculation that comets may contain antimatter. With antimatter, a small impact could become huge.
How about some type of nuclear reaction going on? Fissionable or fusionable materials. Some theories state that what triggers a gas giant planet to become a star, is not simply it's mass, but the presence of fissionable materials. Could an ordinary collision on an unsual comet, a comet with fissionable materials, create a nuclear reaction? When you look at the speeds involved, with a comet going many kilometers per second, there could be enough force to trigger a nuclear reaction. Maybe this comet is a deep space comet from outside our solar system, and was captured by the Sun, and has unusual elements in it not found on other comets.
Also, the longstanding electric theory of the universe should be on the table. From what I've read of it, comets play an important role in this theory. Could the dramatic brightening be some kind of electrical discharge. Is there something about comet Holmes that might make it more susceptible to electrical discharges compared to other comets?
This historic comet very well may end up shaking up our understanding of comets, and maybe even our understanding of the universe. Make sure you check it out for yourself! |
| Michael
User ID: 181321
10/28/2007 6:58 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
There just doesn't seem to be enough original matter to make a sphere as large as Jupiter and still be seen. This is truly bizarre.
Good point. The comets nucleus is believed to be 2 miles in diameter. Jupiter is 88,000 miles in diameter. What could cause such a small object to become so big and so bright?
There may be clues in the history of comet Holmes, that this comet may not be an ordinary comet.
I've done quite a bit of reading on comet Holmes, and probably the only thing close to the unprecedented increase in brightness of comet Holmes over the past few days, was the startling increase in brightness of comet Holmes back in 1892, when it was discovered by Edwin Holmes in London. Back then like now, comet Holmes flared up out of the blue to become naked eye overnight, and was discovered by the amateur astronomer Holmes. Astronomy must have been more a domain of the upper classes back then, because from the accounts I read from the period, there was some disdain in the scientific community that an amateur astronomer had discovered it. Apparently at the time, comet Holmes was the first comet discovered by an amateur astronomer in many years. The naked eye comet out of the blue caused quite a sensation. Even some speculation in the public that the comet might hit the Earth! Then the comet faded to it's normal brightness. So dim that the comet with a 6 year orbital period was lost and not seen again until 1960.
...given that this is the second time this has happened in recent history, the odds that this is due to an impact (raising 'dust') of some sort is quite slim.
I agree. Of the thousands of comets out there, what is it about comet Holmes that causes these dramatic spikes in brightness? Is it ordinary impacts? If so, why don't we see such spikes in other comets? It is something in that particular region of space, some have speculated on the mysterious "dark matter" may have been in it's path. But I ran the orbital simulation back to 1892 and comet Holmes was in an entirely different region of space than it's last flareup.
Maybe it is not ordinary impacts, but something in the makeup of comet Holmes, that makes an ordinary impact extraordinarily bright?
What could that be? Antimatter? Possibly. There has been some speculation that comets may contain antimatter. With antimatter, a small impact could become huge.
How about some type of nuclear reaction going on? Fissionable or fusionable materials. Some theories state that what triggers a gas giant planet to become a star, is not simply it's mass, but the presence of fissionable materials. Could an ordinary collision on an unsual comet, a comet with fissionable materials, create a nuclear reaction? When you look at the speeds involved, with a comet going many kilometers per second, there could be enough force to trigger a nuclear reaction. Maybe this comet is a deep space comet from outside our solar system, and was captured by the Sun, and has unusual elements in it not found on other comets.
Also, the longstanding electric theory of the universe should be on the table. From what I've read of it, comets play an important role in this theory. Could the dramatic brightening be some kind of electrical discharge. Is there something about comet Holmes that might make it more susceptible to electrical discharges compared to other comets?
This historic comet very well may end up shaking up our understanding of comets, and maybe even our understanding of the universe. Make sure you check it out for yourself! Quoting: hatch battener 281732
nice post...thank you |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 181188
10/28/2007 7:01 PM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 317190
10/28/2007 7:01 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318651
10/28/2007 8:04 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
that is a mind snap... first we hear from the Russians that we will be getting super cosmic energy in waves...then Michael Tsarion says to expect it with the emergence of Pluto...or the FULL MOON...that is already fat and full, but not expected until the 26th (scroll down the space weather page) and the astrologers are predicting it is a "window of consciousness"... how about all that for "coincidence"?
Hey AC!
Do you have a link about the cosmic energy wave the Russians announced?
Sounds very interesting and the Russians justify much more hope for truth than the US led science western world which keeps on with deceiving the sheople. Quoting: FreeFlow
IT IS THE HUMBLE OPINION THAT THIS COMET HAS AN ACTIVE THERMONUCLEAR CORE THAT IS ACTIVELY SPEWING OUT HOT GLOWING DEBRIS.
IT COULD EXPLODE AND AFFECT THE EARTH. |
| *-L5-*
User ID: 314602
10/28/2007 8:13 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
that is a mind snap... first we hear from the Russians that we will be getting super cosmic energy in waves...then Michael Tsarion says to expect it with the emergence of Pluto...or the FULL MOON...that is already fat and full, but not expected until the 26th (scroll down the space weather page) and the astrologers are predicting it is a "window of consciousness"... how about all that for "coincidence"?
Hey AC!
Do you have a link about the cosmic energy wave the Russians announced?
Sounds very interesting and the Russians justify much more hope for truth than the US led science western world which keeps on with deceiving the sheople.
IT IS THE HUMBLE OPINION THAT THIS COMET HAS AN ACTIVE THERMONUCLEAR CORE THAT IS ACTIVELY SPEWING OUT HOT GLOWING DEBRIS.
IT COULD EXPLODE AND AFFECT THE EARTH. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318651
If it were to explode how do you think it would affect earth? =P |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318746
10/28/2007 8:19 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
still cant see the comet object. but i did see the hubblecraft that is not the hubblecraft. tonight it is more to the west(north), and farther away. i bought the hubblecraft story last nite. but after doing some research on the h.c. today, no. and the thing maneuvered last nite, went up like a 90* angle and then headed southeast. the story on the news the guy heard was they were moving the hubblecraft. it's obviously a cover for something else going on, cause i has been parked in the sky since the 25th that i know of. it was seen to move the 25th by my mother, it headed south then. then i seen it move southeast the 27th, and now its back but in a new location. i wrote to hubble inquiring, they said they'd get back with me. i'm finding this as intriguing and mysterious as the comet, and feel like they are related. i think something is going on that the gov't dont want us to know about. ah, a conspiricy! something big is up people, and i don't think it will be long before we find out. |
| anime eyes
User ID: 207220
10/28/2007 8:23 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
I am pretty sure there is an afterlife, but I feel that at the age 40 I am too young to leave this plane of existence. There were so many things I wanted to do, experience and achieve. Oh well...
easy there OZ!
Go have a tinny. chill out. 
What's your theory about it, anyway!
As I said many pages back, matter is being created in and around Holmes. Let us put the Big Bang model and quantum mechanics in the bottom drawer for the moment. Not because they be completely wrong or only partially right, but because it is unintelligible to us commoners. Let us put the electric universe in the same drawer for the same reason. Theology, religion and mysticism... yep, they go in the same drawer to.
So now the desk is almost clear. The only things remaining are four cans of beer. I will now perform a physics experiment. The four cans are now placed in the empty room. I have shut the door and waited 10 minutes. I now open the door and guess what? There are four cans of beer in the room. It would be impossible for us to live our day to day lives in a world where things seemingly spontaneously came in and out of existence. Not so in interplanetary space. It is there that four beers can become seven.
Schrödinger's dirty little secret is finally out in the open: his cat was a lush.
 |
| FreeFlow
User ID: 51202
10/28/2007 8:37 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
The inner dust debris cloud displays a high content of UV light emission, anyone an idea what that could mean?
[link to spaceweather.com]
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318597
10/28/2007 8:38 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Got a good hard look at this 'comet' through a 4 inch reflector scope.
Now, it may be because of the atmospheric refraction, but this little sucker looks blue.
Sighting is from the north west of scotland, clear skies now after an evening of heavy rain - easily visible with the naked eye too. 20X binos it looks like a blue spherical smudge, through the scope, a blue sphere of light.
WOOO HOOO ! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318597
10/28/2007 8:41 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
The inner dust debris cloud displays a high content of UV light emission, anyone an idea what that could mean?
[ link to spaceweather.com]
Well, ultra violet spectrum is just another form of light to look at something through.
Could mean that its reflecting a high amount of the UV rays hitting it from the sun - Or it could be producing them on its own. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 270791
10/28/2007 8:42 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Walking right out my front door and it is directly in front of me. It's making an awesome showing tonight and definitely bluish, white. It is easy to tell that it is not a star because the light coming from it is very diffuse so it looks like a fuzzy cottonball. Not much of a tail yet forming. I need to go back in this thread to understand what has happened but basically you guys are saying it appeared a bit ago and then underwent a dramatic magnitude increase and its getting bigger. |
| FreeFlow
User ID: 51202
10/28/2007 8:42 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Well, ultra violet spectrum is just another form of light to look at something through.
Could mean that its reflecting a high amount of the UV rays hitting it from the sun - Or it could be producing them on its own. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318597
Well it could hint to high temps there.
Blue flames are hotter than red ones.
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318597
10/28/2007 8:43 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
coma:
A spherical cloud of material surrounding the head of a comet. This material is mostly gas that the Sun has caused to boil off the comet's icy nucleus. This gas shines both by reflected sunlight and light emitted by excited molecules. A cometary coma can extend up to a million miles from the nucleus.
[link to zuserver2.star.ucl.ac.uk]
So could be excitment, reflection, or alot of both. Considering just how bright this thing is, i hazard a guess at ALOT of both. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 286176
10/28/2007 8:45 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
just was out looking at it, easily seen with the naked eye despite the local town's haunted house with four spotlights criss-crossing the sky. Even more spectacular through the binoculars. |
| FreeFlow
User ID: 51202
10/28/2007 8:47 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Wow, now the guys on this forum say it's breaking up:
[link to www.cloudynights.com]
I just took out my 16" and didn't even wait for it to cool down and yes there are two distict points of light in the nuclei,could be a split Anyone know for sure? I've been observing the comet in my 76MM reflector for the past few nights and even with my bino's this thing is awesome! It sure would be nice if this comet sticks around for a few weeks so everyone can grab a look!
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318597
10/28/2007 8:48 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Well it could hint to high temps there.
Blue flames are hotter than red ones. Quoting: FreeFlow
Yep, indeed, which means we may yet see another colour change.
Yellow to yellow / green to blue.
Now this IS interesting stuff!
Greta thread free flow, and mega kudos for the constant updates. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318755
10/28/2007 8:48 PM | | ricker
User ID: 318744
10/28/2007 8:51 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Wow, now the guys on this forum say it's breaking up:
[ link to www.cloudynights.com]
I just took out my 16" and didn't even wait for it to cool down and yes there are two distict points of light in the nuclei,could be a split Anyone know for sure? I've been observing the comet in my 76MM reflector for the past few nights and even with my bino's this thing is awesome! It sure would be nice if this comet sticks around for a few weeks so everyone can grab a look!
Something is coming from behind it. How far that object is should be the question. |
| FreeFlow
User ID: 51202
10/28/2007 8:53 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Greta thread free flow, and mega kudos for the constant updates. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318597
Thank you mate and you're most welcome!
It's catching me more and more, this is much more exciting than anything in space before ...
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224770
10/28/2007 8:55 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
This looks like the BIG Space Goat Farting to me! |
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