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| Telios
User ID: 130291
10/25/2007 8:45 PM
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not cowering in fear at all.
you may continue to cower in ignorance if you like. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 184760
Please, reveal my ignorance so we all may benefit...come-on you can do it....
"There is no separation, only miss-communication" |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 304493
10/25/2007 8:45 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
At the risk of injecting a little sanity into the discussion, take a look at the orbit diagram for 17P on the JPL/NASA website. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. Play with the angles, orientation, dates all you like, pay special attention to the view where you are on the same plane as the ecliptic, (all the planets orbits are lined up together). You will see the this Comet is well above the plane of Earth's orbit and also moving well away from us. In fact, you will see it's own orbit lies well outside that of Mars'.
that orbit was BEFORE the "explosion"
of which they are "shocked"
let your mind play with that bit of information. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 184760
So, it's going to suddenly come to a screeching halt, do a U-turn and lose precisely enough mass and momemtum and recalculate it's orbit and make a beeline to the little marble in space that is Earth?
That is SOME 'explosion'! Talk about a smart bomb! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 274300
10/25/2007 8:51 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
For those who keep insisting that the lack of a visible tail means the comet is headed towards us, you are again exposing your CENTRICITIES about yourselves. It is NOT all about us. The universe does not revolve around our planet!
There is no giant bullseye on our planet coaxing wayfaring comets and meteorites to try and take a shot at us. Not every object in space has a beeline trajectory pointing straight to us. Space is vast. VAST!! Distances between us and other objects are much, much greater than you think.
Even if 17P/Homes WAS headed in our general direction, the odds that it would actually hit us are just not worth even mentioning.
I don't know where people get these fanciful ideas. If you're thinking "billiard balls on a billiards table," that is the wrong impression. Think more like "marbles in the Sahara desert." |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 297882
10/25/2007 8:51 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Just how far away is it from earth? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 317413
wow I posted this on page 5 and not 1 response. |
| * <----star of destiny
User ID: 279402
10/25/2007 8:51 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
You should read this ....IF this comet is the "star" of my vision then this is it folks...that comet could be the period at the end of the sentence in the book of life. IF that is.
Here read this ...
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 317141
10/25/2007 8:52 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Just how far away is it from earth?
wow I posted this on page 5 and not 1 response. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 297882
OBJECTS IN THE MIRROR MAY BE CLOSER THEN THEY APPEAR |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 247321
10/25/2007 8:53 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
So where's Mira -the star that looks like a comet?????? |
| * <----star of destiny
User ID: 279402
10/25/2007 8:55 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
For those who keep insisting that the lack of a visible tail means the comet is headed towards us, you are again exposing your CENTRICITIES about yourselves. It is NOT all about us. The universe does not revolve around our planet!
There is no giant bullseye on our planet coaxing wayfaring comets and meteorites to try and take a shot at us. Not every object in space has a beeline trajectory pointing straight to us. Space is vast. VAST!! Distances between us and other objects are much, much greater than you think.
Even if 17P/Homes WAS headed in our general direction, the odds that it would actually hit us are just not worth even mentioning.
I don't know where people get these fanciful ideas. If you're thinking "billiard balls on a billiards table," that is the wrong impression. Think more like "marbles in the Sahara desert." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 274300
YOU DONT UNDERSTAND .....BECAUSE YOU ARE SEEING THIS FROM A SECULAR EVOLUTIONARY POINT OF VIEW .....BUT THE UNIVERSE HAS A CONSCIOUSNESS AND THERE IS WAY TOO MUCH WAR ON EARTH AND THERE IS A PRICE THAT MUST BE PAID FOR IT.
NOW IN THEORY THE WRATH OF THE UNIVERSE/GOD DOESNT HAVE TO BEAT US TO OBLIVION ....IF WE STOP OUR WAR ON EACH OTHER AND OUR PLANET. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO LIVE !!!
I know i have said this a billion times already ...ONLY because it is soooo damned important !!!! If this is the "star" of my vision then this is it ....the end of the world of evil ...so no matter how you look at it the world of good must come ....one way or another. |
| Telios
User ID: 130291
10/25/2007 8:55 PM
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OBJECTS IN THE MIRROR MAY BE CLOSER THEN THEY APPEAR Quoting: Anonymous Coward 317141
They also may be stupider than they appear....
"There is no separation, only miss-communication" |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 56184
10/25/2007 8:55 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Just how far away is it from earth?
wow I posted this on page 5 and not 1 response. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 297882
HOW FAR IS IT? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 317445
10/25/2007 8:55 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Shut up with all the nonsense, does anyone see it tonight? Is it out? Its a perfect clear sky I have yet to find it tonight |
| * <----star of destiny
User ID: 279402
10/25/2007 8:56 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
So where's Mira -the star that looks like a comet?????? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 247321
Yesss that is what i was wondering as well.....wasnt Mira suppose to get really bright around October ? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 274300
10/25/2007 8:58 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
For those who keep insisting that the lack of a visible tail means the comet is headed towards us, you are again exposing your CENTRICITIES about yourselves. It is NOT all about us. The universe does not revolve around our planet!
There is no giant bullseye on our planet coaxing wayfaring comets and meteorites to try and take a shot at us. Not every object in space has a beeline trajectory pointing straight to us. Space is vast. VAST!! Distances between us and other objects are much, much greater than you think.
Even if 17P/Homes WAS headed in our general direction, the odds that it would actually hit us are just not worth even mentioning.
I don't know where people get these fanciful ideas. If you're thinking "billiard balls on a billiards table," that is the wrong impression. Think more like "marbles in the Sahara desert."
YOU DONT UNDERSTAND .....BECAUSE YOU ARE SEEING THIS FROM A SECULAR EVOLUTIONARY POINT OF VIEW .....BUT THE UNIVERSE HAS A CONSCIOUSNESS AND THERE IS WAY TOO MUCH WAR ON EARTH AND THERE IS A PRICE THAT MUST BE PAID FOR IT.
NOW IN THEORY THE WRATH OF THE UNIVERSE/GOD DOESNT HAVE TO BEAT US TO OBLIVION ....IF WE STOP OUR WAR ON EACH OTHER AND OUR PLANET. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO LIVE !!!
I know i have said this a billion times already ...ONLY because it is soooo damned important !!!! If this is the "star" of my vision then this is it ....the end of the world of evil ...so no matter how you look at it the world of good must come ....one way or another. Quoting: * <----star of destiny 279402
BWAHAAAHAAAHAAA!
My friend, you've been reading too many comic books. Upon up a science book for a change. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 247321
10/25/2007 9:00 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
So where's Mira -the star that looks like a comet??????
Yesss that is what i was wondering as well.....wasnt Mira suppose to get really bright around October ? Quoting: * <----star of destiny 279402
Yes I remember them saying late October, but the powers that be, have reminded silent about it--why????
I'm off to check the charts, |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 247321
10/25/2007 9:04 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Cetus, the Whale or Sea Monster, is the French Baleine, the Italian Balaena, and the German Wallfisch.
This constellation has been identified, at least since Aratos' day, with the fabled creature sent to devour Andromeda, but turned to stone at the sight of the Medusa's head (Algol) in the hand of Perseus.
Mira is in Cetus |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 317209
10/25/2007 9:04 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Sorry, but that pic of the comet in the OP's first post looks SOOOO FAKE. It's just too perfect. I'm an expert photoshop user and I think it's obvious that's a hoax. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 245936 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 247321
10/25/2007 9:05 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Holmes is in Persus |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 304493
10/25/2007 9:07 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Shut up with all the nonsense, does anyone see it tonight? Is it out? Its a perfect clear sky I have yet to find it tonight Quoting: Anonymous Coward 317445
This may help you and others locate it in the sky.
[link to media.skyandtelescope.com]
I can't see it here in the city because of too much light pollution. I need to go hunt for my binoculars and try to see it with those. |
| Mister_Obvious
User ID: 247140
10/25/2007 9:07 PM
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For those who keep insisting that the lack of a visible tail means the comet is headed towards us, you are again exposing your CENTRICITIES about yourselves. It is NOT all about us. The universe does not revolve around our planet!
There is no giant bullseye on our planet coaxing wayfaring comets and meteorites to try and take a shot at us. Not every object in space has a beeline trajectory pointing straight to us. Space is vast. VAST!! Distances between us and other objects are much, much greater than you think.
Even if 17P/Homes WAS headed in our general direction, the odds that it would actually hit us are just not worth even mentioning.
I don't know where people get these fanciful ideas. If you're thinking "billiard balls on a billiards table," that is the wrong impression. Think more like "marbles in the Sahara desert." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 274300
Niiice...
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| Ossie bloke
User ID: 189976
10/25/2007 9:11 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Well, today something big did turn up in the proton monitors-
[ link to umtof.umd.edu]
A big spike in the speed of less energetic protons and density! Now, NOAA and spaceweather.com is attributing this to a coronal hole. Indeed, they have been predicting active conditions for this period since before comet Holmes brightened.
The thing is, that is the only thing I've seen indicating anything out of the ordinary. Can anyone think of any other levels to check to see if anything unusual is going on? I didn't go through all that HAARP crap, but there's alot of other stuff out there.
[link to www.dxlc.com]
The electron fluence plot shows an upward trend over the last 4 months. It is my understanding that electrons travel toward the Sun because it is an anode. Do comets posses both positive and negative charges? The sunward electron spike and a tail consisting of positively charged dusty plasma.
Has Holmes run out of positive charge and now has a net negative charge like planets do? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 252048
10/25/2007 9:13 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
The year of the great seventh number accomplished, it will appear at the time of the games of slaughter, not far from the age of the great millennium, when the dead will come out of their graves - X.74
As for the timing of the WW-III (the games of slaughter) and the comet strike, it will be after the "Year of the great Seventh number", which is seven, "not far from the great millennium" i.e. the year 2007. By "it will appear", Nostradamus probably means the appearance or striking of the earth by a comet which he indicated in other quatrains and is also mentioned in the Bible, bringing widespread devastation to the world already at war. Thus, a comet will strike the earth when the Third World War is going on. Quoting: nostra mouse 295336
Some theory based on Bible Codes suggest the following:
1) Crop Circle points to 2007 impact date
[link to www.noufors.com]
2) This comet may be part of a "swarm of comets"
[link to www.barry.warmkessel.com]
Impact dates of "HOLMER"
Sometime between now and CHRISTMAS! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 24377
10/25/2007 9:14 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
A golden body with a green aura...sweet |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 11943
10/25/2007 9:17 PM | | hatch battener
User ID: 317371
10/25/2007 9:20 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Just how far away is it from earth?
wow I posted this on page 5 and not 1 response. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 297882
I had your answer in my post right above yours, on page 5. Holmes is 153 million miles away from Earth.
To add to my previous post about a lack of any telltale signs of a cosmic event so far, no dramatic spikes or anomalies in xrays, energetic protons, elextron flux, nuetrons, muons. There is as mentioned other particles that might not have been detected on Earth as yet. That would be the slower moving protons. Of the type reach the Earth about 1-3 days after a CME on the Sun.
Why go down this road of speculation? Because the light you are seeing from comet Holmes is itself a particle. So as with many types of cosmic events observed visually, you look for other types of particles that may have been emitted at the same and may also be coming our way.
Nothing so far among the particles that travel at near the speed of light, but lets consider if particles were emitted on comet Holmes from this event, that are of the speed of particles emitted from the Sun during a CME. Since comet Holmes is 1.6 times the distance from the Earth to the Sun, and CME particles from the Sun typically take 1 to 3 days to reach Earth, than any particles of similar speed from comet Holmes would reach Earth in about 1 1/2 to 5 days after the event. Since this extreme brightening phenomenon began early on the 24th. I'd say that watching the Proton monitor for any anomalies until the 29th or so, maybe even the end of the month, might be worthwhile, to see if anything turns up.
Bottom line, there still could be some kind of particulate impact on Earth within the next 5 days!
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 316011
10/25/2007 9:21 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11943
I was just about to repost that link from page one as well. :)
That will answer the question of "how far from earth" too.
Be sure to use the slider on the right side to rotate the view about the ecliptic. Very useful to see the 3D aspect of the comet's orbit.
Certainly is odd. Also on page one someone suggested an object may have impacted the comet and raised a cloud of dust which the gravity of the comet may have captured and is keeping it in a sphere around itself.
Fascinating, captain!
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 24377
10/25/2007 9:21 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Appearance of Comet Holmes
Initial reports by amateur astronomers detail a comet that looks more like a star, with no discernible tail. This may change. The comet appears as a star in Perseus but under magnification of binoculars or a telescope begins to show its fuzzy comet-like appearance.
Read my observing report from October 24 for more information on its appearance and how to find it.
History of Comet 17P/Holmes
Comet Holmes has been known to astronomers since 1892, when it underwent a similar outburst to the one that is occurring today. According to The Cosmic Mirror, over 100 years ago, when the comet had its earlier brightening, it stayed brilliant for more than a week, remaining visible to the unaided eye for three weeks. The size of the comet's coma appeared to increase. Then, a couple months later, a second outburst occurred in Holmes. It is unknown if the comet's sudden brightening will follow this previous event, but keep your eye on it to find out!
[link to stargazing.suite101.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 291031
10/25/2007 9:22 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Looks to be quite an interesting end to October. Awaiting developments... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 247321
10/25/2007 9:23 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Giant comet may collide with Earth late October
According to the Russian astronomer Nikolai Fedorovsky, a giant comet flying at top speed is bound for Earth. Should the comet stay on the collision course, it may hit the planet in late October. The impact will cause devastating tsunamis, earthquakes and avalanches, says Fedorovsky. He saw the killer comet in a telescope two weeks ago. He managed to calculate the comet’s trajectory. We got in touch with Nikolai Fedorovsky:
“Just a few people are aware of the fact that comets of various sizes fly past Earth at a very close distance on a regular basis,” says Fedorovsky. “Those comets usually pass by unnoticed. The above circumstance is not a guarantee against disaster by any means. The Tunguska meteorite landed in the wilderness of Siberia. What if the behemoth had plunged into the center of Europe or somewhere in the ocean?
“I’m not trying to scare anybody, I just want to warn the public,” sums up Fedorovsky. “We should pay attention to this suspicious celestial body. We could obtain more accurate calculations if other astronomers join forces. We could also photograph it if we’re in luck. We will probably partake in one of the greatest events in the history of humankind,” adds he.
“We shouldn’t underestimate the threat poised by asteroid and comets,” says Igor Gerasimov, deputy director of the Sternberg Astronomical Institute. “More than a thousand meteorite showers cross Earth’s orbit and pose a real threat to life on the planet. We’re watching only nine showers of the above number. Those nine have several dozen objects, which may collide with Earth. The size of the objects varies. Some of them are tiny dust particles while the others have the proportions of gigantic heavenly bodies measuring up to 200 meters in diameter.” |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 275504
10/25/2007 9:24 PM | | Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' | Quote |
Just how far away is it from earth?
wow I posted this on page 5 and not 1 response.
OBJECTS IN THE MIRROR MAY BE CLOSER THEN THEY APPEAR Quoting: Anonymous Coward 317141
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| Ooua
User ID: 317457
10/25/2007 9:24 PM
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any update on brightness tonight ? |
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