17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet'

Ok, I have a question.

I think there was some discussion early in the thread about when and if Earth would pass through/into Holmes. It was based on the rate of expansion of the comet and where Earth would be, etc. So, my question is, are inside Holmes yet?

Ok, I have a question.

I think there was some discussion early in the thread about when and if Earth would pass through/into Holmes. It was based on the rate of expansion of the comet and where Earth would be, etc. So, my question is, are inside Holmes yet?

Not yet, should come around end of 2011 calculation based on the expansion speed of the dust cloud like you remarked.

Hot damn! I did that math Freeflow mega ages ago - page like 11 or so - july / august 2011 time frame given the rough nature of the math it could be end of july early august.

:Holmes 2. :Holmes. :Holmes 3.

Any more passersby in June?

Now it is 16.3 mag (May 8, Ken-ichi Kadota). It will brighten up to 15 mag in 2009 and 2010, and will be observable for a long time in good condition.

[link to www.aerith.net]

That means with good binoculars of course, tho I had to look further to investigate why it would brighten up despite of moving away from us ...

because as its particle matter widens it will reflect more light.

There agin, it could just decode to turn on the juice again and stun us all. After all, it is in my belief weirdly 'self powering'.

Look at all that matter it lost and satyed as luminous if not more so!

partly taken from www.fulfilledprophecy.com :

(..)it is very interesting since it has "appeared" in Perseus (a symbol of Jesus the Redeemer) and done so very suddenly and unexpectedly. I also find it interesting that this comet comes from the Jupiter (literally means God the Father and represents both God the Father and Jesus as High Priest) family of comets and has an orbit of seven years.(..)

According to Bullinger, Perseus is pictured with a sword slaying the enemy, which Bullinger associates with Leviathan, the sea serpent.

The constellation Perseus is a decan or an associated constellation with Cetus the sea monster, also associated with Leviathan, Cassiopeia, the woman delivered, and Aries, the ram, which can be associated with war.

Bullinger lists a passage that may have some relevance here- 'See the Lord is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins....In that day the Lord will punish with his sword, his fierce, great and powerful sword, Leviathan the gliding serpent, Leviathan the coiling serpent; he will slay the monster of the sea.' Isa 26:31- 27:2

Leviathan can be associated with Satan and also with nations that attack Israel. Isa 27 finishes with an interesting statement- 'In that day the Lord will thresh from the flowing Euphrates to the Wadi of Egypt, and you, O Israelites, will be gathered one by one.'

In the future God will 'thresh' the area around Israel and regather Israel at the battles of Armageddon and Gog-Magog. As at armageddon the Eupharates will be dried up, this passage could be referring to Gog-Magog.

The constellations associated with Perseus appear to depict war in which God, the breaker, slays leviathan, the enemy nations, and delivers the woman, Israel.(..)

Perseus "The Breaker," Two Comets and the "Head of Satan"

Incredible new meaning has been discovered about the real significance
of two recent comets which blazed in the heavens -- comet Hyakutake
and Hale-Bopp -- and whose paths crossed in the sky! Here is a "sign" --
and a most amazing prophecy for the near future! Consider the following
facts in the light of Biblical prophecy!

Bob Wadsworth, who had done intensive work studying and plotting the
courses of comets, discovered that while plotting the path of the comet
Hyakutake during the month of April 1996 against the path of the comet Hale
Bopp in April of 1997, an almost perfect right angle is formed by their
paths which crossed each other on the exact same date of the year (April
11, both years). To be precise, both comets occupied the exact same space
in the sky on the very same date, Hyakutake on April 11, 1996, and Hale
Bopp on April 11, 1997! The chances against this event having occurred by
sheer accident would be astronomically huge -- yet it happened. Sheer
coincidence? That is what non-believing skeptics would have us believe.

But the case does not stop there. Even more interesting, is that the
intersection of these two comets, on this precise date, plotting their
courses in the sky, shows that their pathways formed a "cross" --
reminiscent of the cross of Jesus Christ, who died on such an emblem to pay
the price for the sins of mankind, and to deliver mankind from the power of
Satan, the devil!

What is even more interesting, however, is the fact that this "conjunction"
of the two comets occurred at a fascinating point in the sky -- that is,
their point of convergence was in the constellation of Perseus, a figure
typifying Christ. In the figure in the sky, Perseus holds the severed head
of the Gorgon, Medusa. The intersection point just happens to be in the
middle of the head of Medusa, at the eye! The eye of Medusa is the star
named "Algol."

Traditionally, the star Algol is the most malevolent star of the heavens!
The Hebrews call this star the head of Satan!

The Witness of the Stars

E. W. Bullinger in his fascinating book The Witness of the Stars, tells us
about the meaning of the constellations of the Zodiac, and the stars that
comprise them. They tell us a story -- the story of the plan of God.

The constellation of Aries, which is the "Ram" or "Lamb," pictures the true
"Lamb of God" who returns to this earth as the conqueror and king (compare
John 1:26 and Rev.5:5-14). The ram in Aries is pictured as full of life and
vigour. Says Bullinger, "In the Danderah Zodiac its name is Tametouris
Ammon, which means the reign, dominion, or government of Ammon. The lamb's
head is without horns, and is crowned with a circle.

"The Hebrew name is Taleh, the lamb. The Arabic name is Al Hamal, the
sheep, gentle, merciful" p.105). There are 66 stars in the sign, the chief
one, in the forehead, being El Nath, or El Natik, which means wounded,
slain. The next, in the left horn, is called Al Sheratan, the bruised, the
wounded. These stars unite in one voice proclaiming the truth of the Lamb
of God who was slain for the sins of the world!

Interestingly, in earliest times, the sun entered Aries "on the 14th day of
the Jewish month" -- that is, the day of the sacrifice of the Passover
lamb! (Exodus 12:6)! At the time of the Exodus of Israel from Egypt, circa
1492 B.C., the sun entered the constellation of Aries at the time of the
spring equinox. But by the time of the year of the crucifixion of Christ,
the sun had receded further, and in the year of the crucifixion (30 A.D.),
on Nisan 14, it stood at the very spot marked by the star El Nath, the
pierced, the wounded, the slain, and El Sheratan, the bruised, the wounded!
Thus Christ perfectly fulfilled this "sign" in the heavens by being our
true Passover lamb (I Cor.5:7)! Asks Bullinger: "Was this design? or was it
chance? It is far easier to believe the former. It makes a smaller demand
upon our faith; yes, we are compelled to believe that He who created the
sun and the stars 'for signs and for cycles,' ordained also the times and
the seasons, and it is He who tells us that 'WHEN THE FULLNESS OF TIME WAS
COME, God sent forth His Son' (Gal.4:4), and that 'in due time Christ died
for the ungodly' (Rom.5:6)" (The Witness of the Stars, p.107).

Cassiopeia and Cetus

Also, in the sign of Aries, is Cassiopeia, "the enthroned woman," picturing
the Bride of Christ, and Cetus, "the sea monster," picturing the great
enemy of mankind bound (Rev.20:1-2) -- called in the Scriptures
"Leviathan," a type of Satan the devil. Cetus, the sea monster, is the
largest of all the constellations and is the natural enemy of fishes (a
type of mankind -- Christ sent His disciples forth as 'fishers of men').
Its brightest star is called Menikar, which means the bound or chained
enemy. The next is called Diphda or Deneb Kaitos, meaning overthrown, or
thrust down. The star in the neck is called Mira, that is, THE REBEL. It is
a very bright star, and in 1596 A.D. it was discovered to be a variable
star. That is, its brightness fluctuates and it disappears periodically
seven times in six years! It increases and diminishes in magnitude, and the
degree of its variableness is so great as to make it appear unsteady, or
unstable!

Perseus, "The Breaker"

Concluding the pageant in the sky for Aries, we come to Perseus, "The
Breaker," a picture of Christ the triumphant warrior who "breaks" the hold
of Cetus, the devil, over God's people and delivers the redeemed. The
prophet Isaiah tells us, "In that day the LORD with His severe sword, great
and strong, will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, Leviathan that
twisted serpent; and He will slay the reptile that is in the sea"
(Isa.27:1). The Psalmist tells us, "For God is my King from of old, working
salvation in the midst of the earth. You divided the sea by your strength;
you broke the heads of the sea serpents in the waters, you broke the heads
of Leviathan in pieces . . ." (Psalm 74:12-14).

Perseus is "The Breaker." He will do the job. This constellation is of a
"mighty man," picturing Christ the warrior. The Hebrew word for this
constellation is Peretz, from which is derived the Greek form Perses, or
the name Perseus (Rom.16:13). It is related to the Hebrew Perez, which
means "breach", "divided," or "bursting through" (Young's Concordance --
see I Chron.13:11; Dan.5:28). This name, in Hebrew, is the very same name
used of Christ in the prophecy of Micah -- God says, "I will surely
assemble, O Jacob, all of thee; I will surely gather the remnant of Israel
. . . THE BREAKER is come up before them: they have broken up, and have
passed through the gate, and are gone out by it: and their KING shall pass
through before them, and the LORD on the head of them" (Micah 2:12-13).

The figure of Perseus in the night sky has in His right hand a sore, great
and strong sword to smite and break down the enemy; He has wings on His
feet, showing us that He is coming very swiftly; and in his left hand He
carries the head of the enemy, whom He has slain. In the Denderah Zodiac
His name is Kar Knem, he who fights and subdues. Perseus is a beautiful
constellation of 59 stars. The star in the waist is Mirfak, who helps. The
star in the right shoulder is Al Genib, who carries away. The bright star
in the left foot is Athik, who breaks!

In His left hand, Perseus ("The Breaker") carries "a head, which, by
perversion, the Greeks called the head of Medusa, being ignorant that its
Hebrew root meant the trodden under foot. It is also called Rosh Satan
(Hebrew), the head of the adversary, and Al Oneh (Arabic), the subdued, or
Al Ghoul, the evil spirit."

Notice carefully! This "head" of the enemy is identified as none other than
"Rosh" ("prince" or "chief" or "head") "SATAN" (meaning "Adversary,"
"Enemy") -- therefore, this pictures the severed head of SATAN THE DEVIL
who will ultimately be killed and destroyed utterly by Jesus Christ, Yeshua
Ha Mashiach!!! Praise the Lord God, that day is coming SOON! If you haven't
studied into the subject of Satan's fate, then write for our free article
Will Satan Be Punished Forever? The Truth about Satan's Fate!

E. W. Bullinger goes on in his remarkable book: "The bright star B (in this
head), has come down to us with the name Al Gol, which means rolling round.

"It is a most remarkable phenomenon that so many of these enemies
should be characterized by VARIABLE STARS! But this head of Medusa,
like the neck of Cetus, has one. Al Gol is continually CHANGING. In
about 69 hours it changes from the 4th magnitude to the 2nd. During
four hours of this period it gradually diminishes in brightness, which
it recovers in the succeeding four hours; and in the remaining part of
the time invariably preserves its greatest lustre. After the
expiration of this time its brightness begins to decrease again. Fit
emblem for our great enemy, who, 'like a roaring lion, goeth about
seeking whom he may devour' (I Pet.5:8); then changing into a subtle
serpent (Gen.3:8); then changing again into 'an angel of light' (II
Cor.11:14). 'Transforming himself' continually, to devour, deceive,
and destroy" (Bullinger, The Witness of the Stars, p.116-117).

How astonishing it is to think that the world has just witnessed, in the
last two years, in the passage of the two comets, Hyakutake in 1996, and
Hale Bopp in 1997, which crossed each other's paths, intersecting in the
EYE OF MEDUSA -- in the star named AL GOL, the "Head of SATAN" -- thus
forming a CROSS -- a TARGET or "Bull's Eye" -- showing that the Messiah is
coming soon, and He will "cross out" and destroy that old serpent, the
Devil, who deceives the whole world!

Final War in Heaven and Great Tribulation

We read how this will be done in the book of Revelation:

"And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the
dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not
prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the
great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and
Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his
angels were cast out with him" (Rev.12:7-9).

The time of this "casting out from heaven" will occur very shortly, now.
Satan's being cast out -- "X'd out" -- from heaven is pictured by the
crossing of the comets Hyakutake and Hale Bopp over the "head of Satan,"
the "evil eye" star in the head of "Medusa," held in the left hand of
Perseus, "The Breaker," who is Christ. Each comet crossed the "eye of
Satan" on April 11, both in 1996 and 1997. Interestingly, in 1998 Passover
itself will fall on April 11!

Within three or four years of this date (see Luke 13:6-9), I expect this
final war in heaven will occur, in the year 2000-2001, just before Passover
time -- and Satan and his legion of demon-angels will fall from heaven, as
occurred aeons ago (Luke 10:18). This time it will be permanently -- and
there will be no place found for them in heaven ever again! At that time,
the final Great Tribulation will commence on earth, with vicious and
relentless persecution being executed upon the true remnant people of God!
John goes on to warn us:

"Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, 'Now salvation, and
strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have
come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God
day and night, has been cast down. And they overcame him by the blood
of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love
their lives to the death. Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who
dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For
the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows
that he has a short time'" (Rev.12:10-12).

Notice! When Satan is cast down, for this final time, shortly, he will be
full of anger and wrath against the people of God -- and all the people of
the earth. His very nature will be consumed with fiery indignation and
venomous hatred. He will know that his days are limited, and this will
cause him to burst forth in apoplectic fury and rage!

At this time, Satan will begin a final onslaught of fierce persecution
against the remaining children of God who are alive on the earth -- the
final generation of God's Church. John tells us:

"Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he
persecuted the woman [the Church of God, spiritual "Israel'] who gave
birth to the male Child. But the woman was given two wings of a great
eagle [depicting miraculous God-sent deliverance], that she might fly
into the wilderness to her place [prepared for her by God], where she
is nourished for a time and times and half a time [3 and 1/2 years, or
1260 prophetic days -- see verse 6], from the presence of the serpent.
So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the
woman [sent armies after her], that he might cause her to be carried
away by the flood. But the earth helped the woman, and the earth
opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood [the earth will rupture
and a violent earthquake will literally form a chasm into which the
army will fall and be buried] which the dragon had spewed out of his
mouth.

"And the dragon was ENRAGED with the woman, and he went to MAKE WAR
with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and
have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Rev.12:14-17).

This massive aggression against the true servants of God will occur for
precisely three and one half prophetic years, which represent 3 and 1/2
literal years. A "time" equals a year in its final fulfillment (compare
Rev.13:5; 11:2; 12:6 with Daniel 7:25 and 12:7).

God has given us another "sign" in the heavens, a sign which reveals that
time is short! This world, and Satan the devil, and all of us, are running
out of time. The "Days of Awe" are upon us, and there is not much time left
in which to set our houses in order, and REPENT, and TURN TO GOD,
confessing our sins, and pleading for His forgiveness!

God says, "Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of
the sea, the remnant will be saved. for He will FINISH THE WORK and cut it
short in righteousness. Because the LORD will make a SHORT WORK upon the
earth" (Romans 9:27-28).
(...)

until it is proven otehrwise, this thing will be regarded by the massses as a comet


the masses don't even know its there.

now why is that?

a new visble comet that explodes to 70% the size of the sun?

ask at work..nobody knows. AND ITS VISIBLE TO THE NAKED EYE!

no press. no Hubble images. no USA Today.

Comet Sherlock Holmes is the greatest detective who never lived and will never die." This popular quote is quite a fitting description of the beloved character ... but also the comet....

I've thought all along that comet Holmes is no ordinary comet. From the fact that it flared a million times in brightness, when it was 200 million miles from the Sun, while it was moving away from the Sun. From the fact that if there is any historical precedence for this, it's this very same comet, which flared similarly in 1892.

My view is there probably was some kind of impact on comet Holmes. But there is something about the composition of comet Holmes, that an ordinary impact, will cause an extraordinary increase in brightness. The type of impact that wouldn't be noticeable at all on another comet, will be extemely noticeable on comet Holmes.

And what could that be, that would make an ordinary impact extraordinarily bright? I've always thought antimatter, the electrical theory of the universe, nuclear, or a black hole. With all of those, a small impact, could release an intense amount of energy.

After the release of the Hubble pictures of comet Holmes, I'm leaning strongly towards black hole.

The pictures of comet Holmes from Hubble are considered by far the highest resolution, closest view of the core of the comet so far-

[link to imgsrc.hubblesite.org]

Note the 'bowtie' structure that appears in the above Hubble image. Also note that the core appears black.

Now take a look at some images of black holes. Guess what? A loose Bowtie structure, and a black core-

[link to images.google.com]

Also note in a article linked to earlier in this thread, that in a radical new theory, it is proposed that mini black holes are spread throughout the universe, including out own solar system!

Quoting MSNBC-"If a radical new "braneworld" theory of gravity is correct, then scattered throughout our solar system are thousands of tiny black holes, each about the size of an atomic nucleus. Unlike their larger brethren, these mini-black holes are primordial leftovers from the Big Bang and affect space-time differently because of their close association with a fifth dimension."

[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]

Let's say comet Holmes is indeed one of these mini black holes, and that a small impact not noticeable on another comet, releases an extraordinary amount of energy on impact with comet Holmes.

What amount of energy would be released if such a mini black hole like comet Holmes were to hit something large, say a planet?

Running the orbit simulation ahead for comet Holmes, unless it's orbit was changed dramatically by the events, we can rest easy for awhile. The next close approach of comet Holmes to any planet would be Mars in 2028. More ominously, and a much closer approach, would be to Jupiter in 2051-

[link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]

Given the enormous mass of Jupiter, greater than all the other planets in the solar system combined, and the great gravitational pull that entails, a small change in orbit of comet Holmes could indeed suck mini black hole into the great gas giant Jupiter. Which will cause an unimaginable conflagration, soon engulfing all planets in our solar system, inexorably wiping all traces of the human race from the universe, for cryin' in the sink!

LOL. FreeFlow has risen from the dead!

ALL HAIL COMET HOLMES

:)

Yes my Holme and me both won't go away lol.

Thanks guys for everything!!!!

Can someone please post a star chart showing its
current location

:comparison:

Discovery
[link to cometography.com]

E. Holmes (London, England) was a regular observer of the Andromeda galaxy (M31), so he knew the region very well. On the evening of 1892 November 6, with skies that were not very favorable, he finished making a few observations of Jupiter and some double stars with his 32-cm reflector, and then decided to take a quick look at the faint companions of Mu Andromedae and the nearby galaxy M31 before quitting for the night.

Sorry evening can't be, go and check the position of Holmes for Nov 1892 here:
[link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]

Considering the anti-clockwise rotation of earth when the solar system is seen from above this Holmes must have set before the sun then and so could have been visible only in the morning skies.


You cant just run the current orbit back in time to see where it was when it was discovered as its orbit is effected by Jupiter:

Close approaches to planets: During the 20th century, this comet made two close approaches to Jupiter. There are also two close approaches to Jupiter during the 21st century. (From the orbital work of Kazuo Kinoshita and G. W. Kronk)

0.54 AU from Jupiter on 1908 December 9
increased perihelion distance from 2.12 AU to 2.34 AU
increased orbital period from 6.86 to 7.33 years
1.03 AU from Jupiter during 1968 April
decreased perihelion distance from 2.35 AU to 2.16 AU
decreased orbital period from 7.35 to 7.05 years
1.50 AU from Jupiter during 2004 January
decreased perihelion distance from 2.17 AU to 2.05 AU
decreased orbital period from 7.07 to 6.88 years
0.85 AU from Jupiter on 2051 April 8
increased perihelion distance from 2.06 AU to 2.21 AU
increased orbital period from 6.89 to 7.21 years

The above is from [link to cometography.com] at the end of the article

I THINK OUR SCIENTISTS KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE THEIR OBSERVATIONS SAW SOMETHING SIMILAR ON A LARGER SCALE:


Young Star May Be Belching Spheres of Gas, Astronomers Say

A young star more than 2,000 light-years away in the constellation Cepheus may be belching out spheres of gas, say astronomers who observed it with the National Science Foundation's Very Long Baseline Array (VLBA) radio telescope.

The sphere would be about 1.5 times the size of the Solar System.

Because the arc, and presumably the sphere of which it is part, is so thin and so uniform, the researchers say that it came from a single, short-lived ejection.

"We now have at least one case, we believe, in which a young star has repeatedly ejected mass spherically in short bursts," Guillem Anglada, of the Institute of Astrophysics of Andalucia (CSIC), in Granada, Spain, said.

"In light of our current understanding of star formation, we don't yet understand how this can happen, so we have an exciting new scientific challenge. It is surprising that nature can maintain such perfect symmetry, especially since the environment around the young star must be so varied. This appears to be a triumph of order over chaos," he added.

[link to www.spaceref.com]