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My twin and I met in this life and actually had a two year relationship. It was the most wonderfully horrible experience of this life. I never have again, nor do I expect to, have a relationship such as that...and I knew, when we met, that we were only to meet in passing. NEVER have I had such an experience. We could think to each other, FEEL each other as real-life twins do. We were in step, in time, in EVERYTHING with each other, the perfection was beautifully painful. Everything was so vivid, our past lives together..I'd been told that when we walked into a room there was a light ALWAYS around us..we WERE joy, light, love, and perfections personified.

When it ended I have never known such pain...we both had more to learn. It would have been better, perhaps, had we never seen each other..the pain of knowing oneness, then being forced to live as half a self was unimaginable. We carried on a soular relationship for years and years. When one was injured the other knew it immediately and felt the same pain. We chatted on the astral level sharing our lives but it was painful, and intrusive on some level....the separateness.


I have recently ended MOST of the solar communication because it was hindering my current relationship...finally I found someone that I would not leave in a heartbeat should my twin step back into my life...finally I found a soulmate to whom I can be bound to learn even more in this life...thus I had to limit..and reject, encourage my twin to move on. We will still communicate if we need each other desperately, but the daily confabs had to end....longing for what was can be destructive to what is. Since I have done this (and painfully so as it as if you are cutting off a part of your own body) my current relationship has flourished. Thanks be to the source.

Yes, there is a difference between the twins and soulmates, a huge difference that only those who have experienced both can truly know.

The horrible, terrible, awful, beautiful joy.


Hello,

I love what you have written, and you seem to have described the twin experience so well.

"It would have been better, perhaps, had we never seen each other..the pain of knowing oneness, then being forced to live as half a self was unimaginable."

Do you feel you will always feel this pain that you mentioned feeling, being separated from your twin, or do you feel it has resided since you made the decision you talk about in your post above?

If you feel comfortable doing so, will you send me an email? I am not sure who you are, or I would try to get in touch with you for further conversation about what you have written here.

Thank you…

-Afterlife

[link to www.afterlifefromabove.com]
You will find where to contact me here under “Contact Us.”


Oh most certainly my life has taken on a MUCH more certain peace since I ended 99.9% of the soular communications. There was much pain in our separation, we had to be ripped from each other....when we were together, there WAS only us....I was once told (in a rather accusatory albeit loving manner) that were we to be in a burning home together I would save my twin rather than anyone else including children....That observation was painfully accurate, I could not deny it, I WOULD have saved my twin first....as horrible as it is to say and most certainly judged, it was in fact true...

There is such joy and love when twins are together, there CANNOT be anything else....therefore on earth I have to think that unless both twins are highly evolved spiritually that it is in fact detrimental to their soul growth to remain together....because there is only the two, only EVER the two, nothing else...it is perfect joy, perfect love, perfect happiness...

We we parted, of course, it was not loving in any way, it could not be or else we would not have been able to DO it...recently I offered FORGIVENESS for that, something I had always felt and expressed soularly but had not offered in the physical realm. See, when we parted, WE PARTED. I have not seen or spoken to my twin since then in the physical world....and OH it was ulgy, almost the direct opposite of our relationship...yin yang and so forth.

In my current soulmate relationship I had constant turmoil, it was if my current partner somehow KNEW I was having another relationship, albeit only astral...I never spoke of, in ANY detail, of my relationship with my twin, but somehow, subconsciously, my current soul mate JUST KNEW....and on some levels must have resented the intrusion. NOW since I have released my twin, and thus myself, I am experiencing another sort of happiness and love, and, at the same time elevating myself spiritually to the work I was sent here to do. In fact my current soulmate is the ONLY other partner other than my twin that 100% accepts the who and what I am, the unusualness of myself, my healing work, ALL that is me, and is very supportive on the soular level of all that I am here to do in this life.

My current soulmate and I share a similar past life experience, although NOT together (we held similar positions in life) and this soul knowingness has created a very helpful bond.

I know this, that were my twin and I still together, I would NOT be doing the healing work that I do, it would be ALL US ALL THE TIME, perfect happiness and joy...and that is NOT what this life is meant to be, without evil to push against us what have we to spur us to grow? Nothing..and in a perfect twin relationship, there IS no where else to go, no way in which to grow, you are entwined engrossed, ensconced, experiencing a wholeness of self, a wholeness of all that there is, however....this IS earth...and we are NOT here for that....we must experience evil in order to know what is good, we must know what we are NOT in order to know what we ARE..and the ONLY way to do that is to experience it...to make mistakes, to make corrections, to understand self..

In the long run I am happier knowing that I am able to reach the goals I set for myself prior to coming into this life...and I could never have done that had my twin and I remained together.

Love, perfect love, also includes painful sacrifice and WE ARE ONE with each other, one with the universe, one with all that is and ever WILL be, and yet, we choose these lives, we choose this pain, we choose all that we experience, and, in the end we if we are successful, there will be even MORE of what was before. LOVE IS ALL THERE IS~

*ON A SIDE NOTE* upon being first separated from my twin...in the beginning it was life altering, and very distressful. I needed counseling, the horrible feeling that I was missing half of my body needed to be dealt with..I literally felt like HALF of my was physically gone...it was bizare. Thankfully I had a spiritually aware counselor who understood it when I said I felt like half my body was missing...I received wonderful support spiritually and emotionally as I had to get used to my oneness again.
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Hmmm...this twin relationship description sound a tad bit on the unhealthy, dysfunctional side!

p.s. I wonder if the person that asked to you make contact is going to try and get a date with you!
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Totally TRUE. The mind is not "local". What obstructs our next evolutionary leap is the poor habit of man in relying
on strict logic . We believe in many things that are *invisible*. ( feelings, gravity , etc.) Anyone who meditates knows that the mind/spirit is not local while it is primarily housed within the body. I have had dynamic telepathic interactions with a few, very few, people.
The pull towards the other is the spirits way of enticing the soul not to give up...the longing ultimately provides the means by which connection occurs---is the engine so to speak.
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I agree, that's why this evolution into the next step is such a low one, much too much concern with logic and proof when the fact is, those obsessed with the left side of their brains are actually weak minds in the context of where we're headed. Do you think god, for lack of a better term, sat down with pen and paper and devised formula after formula to construct intricate worlds? NO WAY. Look at it like say a Pollock painting, the draining process of creation is only intuitive... yet recently they have been analyzed as being mathematically formulaic. I believe the worlds were created effortlessly, intuitively... the artists and spirits are gods, scientists are servants for the idiotic masses.
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My twin and I met in this life and actually had a two year relationship. It was the most wonderfully horrible experience of this life. I never have again, nor do I expect to, have a relationship such as that...and I knew, when we met, that we were only to meet in passing. NEVER have I had such an experience. We could think to each other, FEEL each other as real-life twins do. We were in step, in time, in EVERYTHING with each other, the perfection was beautifully painful. Everything was so vivid, our past lives together..I'd been told that when we walked into a room there was a light ALWAYS around us..we WERE joy, light, love, and perfections personified.

When it ended I have never known such pain...we both had more to learn. It would have been better, perhaps, had we never seen each other..the pain of knowing oneness, then being forced to live as half a self was unimaginable. We carried on a soular relationship for years and years. When one was injured the other knew it immediately and felt the same pain. We chatted on the astral level sharing our lives but it was painful, and intrusive on some level....the separateness.


I have recently ended MOST of the solar communication because it was hindering my current relationship...finally I found someone that I would not leave in a heartbeat should my twin step back into my life...finally I found a soulmate to whom I can be bound to learn even more in this life...thus I had to limit..and reject, encourage my twin to move on. We will still communicate if we need each other desperately, but the daily confabs had to end....longing for what was can be destructive to what is. Since I have done this (and painfully so as it as if you are cutting off a part of your own body) my current relationship has flourished. Thanks be to the source.

Yes, there is a difference between the twins and soulmates, a huge difference that only those who have experienced both can truly know.

The horrible, terrible, awful, beautiful joy.


Hello,

I love what you have written, and you seem to have described the twin experience so well.

"It would have been better, perhaps, had we never seen each other..the pain of knowing oneness, then being forced to live as half a self was unimaginable."

Do you feel you will always feel this pain that you mentioned feeling, being separated from your twin, or do you feel it has resided since you made the decision you talk about in your post above?

If you feel comfortable doing so, will you send me an email? I am not sure who you are, or I would try to get in touch with you for further conversation about what you have written here.

Thank you…

-Afterlife

[link to www.afterlifefromabove.com]
You will find where to contact me here under “Contact Us.”


Oh most certainly my life has taken on a MUCH more certain peace since I ended 99.9% of the soular communications. There was much pain in our separation, we had to be ripped from each other....when we were together, there WAS only us....I was once told (in a rather accusatory albeit loving manner) that were we to be in a burning home together I would save my twin rather than anyone else including children....That observation was painfully accurate, I could not deny it, I WOULD have saved my twin first....as horrible as it is to say and most certainly judged, it was in fact true...

There is such joy and love when twins are together, there CANNOT be anything else....therefore on earth I have to think that unless both twins are highly evolved spiritually that it is in fact detrimental to their soul growth to remain together....because there is only the two, only EVER the two, nothing else...it is perfect joy, perfect love, perfect happiness...

We we parted, of course, it was not loving in any way, it could not be or else we would not have been able to DO it...recently I offered FORGIVENESS for that, something I had always felt and expressed soularly but had not offered in the physical realm. See, when we parted, WE PARTED. I have not seen or spoken to my twin since then in the physical world....and OH it was ulgy, almost the direct opposite of our relationship...yin yang and so forth.

In my current soulmate relationship I had constant turmoil, it was if my current partner somehow KNEW I was having another relationship, albeit only astral...I never spoke of, in ANY detail, of my relationship with my twin, but somehow, subconsciously, my current soul mate JUST KNEW....and on some levels must have resented the intrusion. NOW since I have released my twin, and thus myself, I am experiencing another sort of happiness and love, and, at the same time elevating myself spiritually to the work I was sent here to do. In fact my current soulmate is the ONLY other partner other than my twin that 100% accepts the who and what I am, the unusualness of myself, my healing work, ALL that is me, and is very supportive on the soular level of all that I am here to do in this life.

My current soulmate and I share a similar past life experience, although NOT together (we held similar positions in life) and this soul knowingness has created a very helpful bond.

I know this, that were my twin and I still together, I would NOT be doing the healing work that I do, it would be ALL US ALL THE TIME, perfect happiness and joy...and that is NOT what this life is meant to be, without evil to push against us what have we to spur us to grow? Nothing..and in a perfect twin relationship, there IS no where else to go, no way in which to grow, you are entwined engrossed, ensconced, experiencing a wholeness of self, a wholeness of all that there is, however....this IS earth...and we are NOT here for that....we must experience evil in order to know what is good, we must know what we are NOT in order to know what we ARE..and the ONLY way to do that is to experience it...to make mistakes, to make corrections, to understand self..

In the long run I am happier knowing that I am able to reach the goals I set for myself prior to coming into this life...and I could never have done that had my twin and I remained together.

Love, perfect love, also includes painful sacrifice and WE ARE ONE with each other, one with the universe, one with all that is and ever WILL be, and yet, we choose these lives, we choose this pain, we choose all that we experience, and, in the end we if we are successful, there will be even MORE of what was before. LOVE IS ALL THERE IS~

*ON A SIDE NOTE* upon being first separated from my twin...in the beginning it was life altering, and very distressful. I needed counseling, the horrible feeling that I was missing half of my body needed to be dealt with..I literally felt like HALF of my was physically gone...it was bizare. Thankfully I had a spiritually aware counselor who understood it when I said I felt like half my body was missing...I received wonderful support spiritually and emotionally as I had to get used to my oneness again.



Hmmm...this twin relationship description sound a tad bit on the unhealthy, dysfunctional side!

p.s. I wonder if the person that asked to you make contact is going to try and get a date with you!
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"Hmmm...this twin relationship description sound a tad bit on the unhealthy, dysfunctional side!"

It is noted that more often than not, twin reunions often do not last as long as we may have thought, as one or the other may not yet ready to handle the "perfect happiness" of a Twin Flame union.

"p.s. I wonder if the person that asked to you make contact is going to try and get a date with you!"

That person is me, (Afterlife), and the request contact is for publication consideration.

-Afterlife
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To those unable to handle "perfect happiness"

You must love yourself! Hope this helps you to heal, and accept yourself.



Daily Affirmation With Stuart Smalley

Stuart Smalley.....Al Franken
.....Michael Jordan




Stuart Smalley V/O: I deserve good things. I am entitled to my share of happiness. I refuse to beat myself up. I am attractive person. I am fun to be with.

Announcer: "Daily Affirmation with Stuart Smalley". Stuart Smalley is a caring nurturer, a member of several 12-step programs, but not a licensed therapist.

[ open on Stuart giving himself a pep talk in his full-length mirror ]

Stuart Smalley: I'm going to do a terrific show today! And I'm gonna help people! Because I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and, doggonit, people like me!

[link to snltranscripts.jt.org]
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And darn it, people like me'

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My twin and I met in this life and actually had a two year relationship. It was the most wonderfully horrible experience of this life. I never have again, nor do I expect to, have a relationship such as that...and I knew, when we met, that we were only to meet in passing. NEVER have I had such an experience. We could think to each other, FEEL each other as real-life twins do. We were in step, in time, in EVERYTHING with each other, the perfection was beautifully painful. Everything was so vivid, our past lives together..I'd been told that when we walked into a room there was a light ALWAYS around us..we WERE joy, light, love, and perfections personified.

When it ended I have never known such pain...we both had more to learn. It would have been better, perhaps, had we never seen each other..the pain of knowing oneness, then being forced to live as half a self was unimaginable. We carried on a soular relationship for years and years. When one was injured the other knew it immediately and felt the same pain. We chatted on the astral level sharing our lives but it was painful, and intrusive on some level....the separateness.


I have recently ended MOST of the solar communication because it was hindering my current relationship...finally I found someone that I would not leave in a heartbeat should my twin step back into my life...finally I found a soulmate to whom I can be bound to learn even more in this life...thus I had to limit..and reject, encourage my twin to move on. We will still communicate if we need each other desperately, but the daily confabs had to end....longing for what was can be destructive to what is. Since I have done this (and painfully so as it as if you are cutting off a part of your own body) my current relationship has flourished. Thanks be to the source.

Yes, there is a difference between the twins and soulmates, a huge difference that only those who have experienced both can truly know.

The horrible, terrible, awful, beautiful joy.


Hello,

I love what you have written, and you seem to have described the twin experience so well.

"It would have been better, perhaps, had we never seen each other..the pain of knowing oneness, then being forced to live as half a self was unimaginable."

Do you feel you will always feel this pain that you mentioned feeling, being separated from your twin, or do you feel it has resided since you made the decision you talk about in your post above?

If you feel comfortable doing so, will you send me an email? I am not sure who you are, or I would try to get in touch with you for further conversation about what you have written here.

Thank you…

-Afterlife

[link to www.afterlifefromabove.com]
You will find where to contact me here under “Contact Us.”


Oh most certainly my life has taken on a MUCH more certain peace since I ended 99.9% of the soular communications. There was much pain in our separation, we had to be ripped from each other....when we were together, there WAS only us....I was once told (in a rather accusatory albeit loving manner) that were we to be in a burning home together I would save my twin rather than anyone else including children....That observation was painfully accurate, I could not deny it, I WOULD have saved my twin first....as horrible as it is to say and most certainly judged, it was in fact true...

There is such joy and love when twins are together, there CANNOT be anything else....therefore on earth I have to think that unless both twins are highly evolved spiritually that it is in fact detrimental to their soul growth to remain together....because there is only the two, only EVER the two, nothing else...it is perfect joy, perfect love, perfect happiness...

We we parted, of course, it was not loving in any way, it could not be or else we would not have been able to DO it...recently I offered FORGIVENESS for that, something I had always felt and expressed soularly but had not offered in the physical realm. See, when we parted, WE PARTED. I have not seen or spoken to my twin since then in the physical world....and OH it was ulgy, almost the direct opposite of our relationship...yin yang and so forth.

In my current soulmate relationship I had constant turmoil, it was if my current partner somehow KNEW I was having another relationship, albeit only astral...I never spoke of, in ANY detail, of my relationship with my twin, but somehow, subconsciously, my current soul mate JUST KNEW....and on some levels must have resented the intrusion. NOW since I have released my twin, and thus myself, I am experiencing another sort of happiness and love, and, at the same time elevating myself spiritually to the work I was sent here to do. In fact my current soulmate is the ONLY other partner other than my twin that 100% accepts the who and what I am, the unusualness of myself, my healing work, ALL that is me, and is very supportive on the soular level of all that I am here to do in this life.

My current soulmate and I share a similar past life experience, although NOT together (we held similar positions in life) and this soul knowingness has created a very helpful bond.

I know this, that were my twin and I still together, I would NOT be doing the healing work that I do, it would be ALL US ALL THE TIME, perfect happiness and joy...and that is NOT what this life is meant to be, without evil to push against us what have we to spur us to grow? Nothing..and in a perfect twin relationship, there IS no where else to go, no way in which to grow, you are entwined engrossed, ensconced, experiencing a wholeness of self, a wholeness of all that there is, however....this IS earth...and we are NOT here for that....we must experience evil in order to know what is good, we must know what we are NOT in order to know what we ARE..and the ONLY way to do that is to experience it...to make mistakes, to make corrections, to understand self..

In the long run I am happier knowing that I am able to reach the goals I set for myself prior to coming into this life...and I could never have done that had my twin and I remained together.

Love, perfect love, also includes painful sacrifice and WE ARE ONE with each other, one with the universe, one with all that is and ever WILL be, and yet, we choose these lives, we choose this pain, we choose all that we experience, and, in the end we if we are successful, there will be even MORE of what was before. LOVE IS ALL THERE IS~

*ON A SIDE NOTE* upon being first separated from my twin...in the beginning it was life altering, and very distressful. I needed counseling, the horrible feeling that I was missing half of my body needed to be dealt with..I literally felt like HALF of my was physically gone...it was bizare. Thankfully I had a spiritually aware counselor who understood it when I said I felt like half my body was missing...I received wonderful support spiritually and emotionally as I had to get used to my oneness again.



Hmmm...this twin relationship description sound a tad bit on the unhealthy, dysfunctional side!

p.s. I wonder if the person that asked to you make contact is going to try and get a date with you!


"Hmmm...this twin relationship description sound a tad bit on the unhealthy, dysfunctional side!"

It is noted that more often than not, twin reunions often do not last as long as we may have thought, as one or the other may not yet ready to handle the "perfect happiness" of a Twin Flame union.

"p.s. I wonder if the person that asked to you make contact is going to try and get a date with you!"

That person is me, (Afterlife), and the request contact is for publication consideration.

-Afterlife
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"for publication consideration"

Absolutely not. Thanks, but my twin relationship is not going to help anyone else really, each person is different...and putting this information in a publication where people in distress especially concerning relationship MIGHT read it, that would be wrong. When people read about something they have not experienced very often (especially if they are in distress) they begin to feel as if they have done something wrong BECAUSE they have not had this experience, AND it can send people searching for a perfect happiness off on a wild goose chase to find their twin soul.

I don't find those "spiritual self-help" books to be in the best interest of those who are seeking healing. They need to lean first into THEIR OWN understanding, not someone else's. I told my experience here first with the expectation that most posters here are not going to care, not going to "get it" and make fun, that makes it safe, but telling a story in a venue that is primarily for SEEKERS, some in great distress, no way. I am into healing, not creating more problems.

People need to and SHOULD find their own way. No one had to tell me that I was feeling part of my body missing, I knew that, it was helpful that my therapist understood the context, but for me to seek out help in a book written by another human, NO WAY. I don't need anyone else's understanding of their experience in order to come into agreement with my own....that's just wrong.

I certainly hope you are not intending to write a book to TEACH other people about twin relationships...if they know, they already know all they need to, if they do NOT know, then GOD HELP you for making those folks feel as if they are missing something....

The self-help "I know about this let me teach you" healing books are getting WAY out of hand. Some things, actually MOST things, should be left to the seeker to discover and understand on their own terms. I only hold with books that explain teachings, such as the Toltic wisdoms as written by Don Miguel Ruiz..but certainly NOT books that try to show people what they cannot ever understand. IT IS POINTLESS, hurtful and really, that will have some interesting karma attached to it. I will have nothing to do with that, and if I ever see anything relating to my story in a book for payment, I will be most unhappy.

I don't need Princeton to tell me what I experience, those dolts aren't in my head, or in my heart, they seek to prove that which is intangible, and that is impossible. Besides, those who truly have these experiences are NOT going to cooperate, like we need Princeton to validate what we know is true?? LOL what idiots, and, how egoistic.
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Absolutely not. Thanks, but my twin relationship is not going to help anyone else really, each person is different...and putting this information in a publication where people in distress especially concerning relationship MIGHT read it, that would be wrong. When people read about something they have not experienced very often (especially if they are in distress) they begin to feel as if they have done something wrong BECAUSE they have not had this experience, AND it can send people searching for a perfect happiness off on a wild goose chase to find their twin soul.

I don't find those "spiritual self-help" books to be in the best interest of those who are seeking healing. They need to lean first into THEIR OWN understanding, not someone else's. I told my experience here first with the expectation that most posters here are not going to care, not going to "get it" and make fun, that makes it safe, but telling a story in a venue that is primarily for SEEKERS, some in great distress, no way. I am into healing, not creating more problems.

People need to and SHOULD find their own way. No one had to tell me that I was feeling part of my body missing, I knew that, it was helpful that my therapist understood the context, but for me to seek out help in a book written by another human, NO WAY. I don't need anyone else's understanding of their experience in order to come into agreement with my own....that's just wrong.

I certainly hope you are not intending to write a book to TEACH other people about twin relationships...if they know, they already know all they need to, if they do NOT know, then GOD HELP you for making those folks feel as if they are missing something....

The self-help "I know about this let me teach you" healing books are getting WAY out of hand. Some things, actually MOST things, should be left to the seeker to discover and understand on their own terms. I only hold with books that explain teachings, such as the Toltic wisdoms as written by Don Miguel Ruiz..but certainly NOT books that try to show people what they cannot ever understand. IT IS POINTLESS, hurtful and really, that will have some interesting karma attached to it. I will have nothing to do with that, and if I ever see anything relating to my story in a book for payment, I will be most unhappy.

I don't need Princeton to tell me what I experience, those dolts aren't in my head, or in my heart, they seek to prove that which is intangible, and that is impossible. Besides, those who truly have these experiences are NOT going to cooperate, like we need Princeton to validate what we know is true?? LOL what idiots, and, how egoistic.
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"for publication consideration"

"Absolutely not. Thanks, but my twin relationship is not going to help anyone else really, each person is different...and putting this information in a publication where people in distress especially concerning relationship MIGHT read it, that would be wrong. When people read about something they have not experienced very often (especially if they are in distress) they begin to feel as if they have done something wrong BECAUSE they have not had this experience, AND it can send people searching for a perfect happiness off on a wild goose chase to find their twin soul."

Afterlife: Not if a book is written in a manner which educates and helps others who feel they are having a unique experience, to feel that they are not alone in their experiences.

I think people become more distressed if they have no information to look to for help and confirmation in their own experience.

"I don't find those "spiritual self-help" books to be in the best interest of those who are seeking healing. They need to lean first into THEIR OWN understanding, not someone else's."

Afterlife: I think this would greatly depend on the author's point of view and how they presented what they were writing about. If the material is presented in a manner that encourages one to look within, I see no harm. We are all here to help one another...

"I told my experience here first with the expectation that most posters here are not going to care, not going to "get it" and make fun, that makes it safe, but telling a story in a venue that is primarily for SEEKERS, some in great distress, no way. I am into healing, not creating more problems."

Afterlife: I believe we are all seekers of the truth and wisdom. Healing is what happens along the way... Problems are by choice.

"People need to and SHOULD find their own way. No one had to tell me that I was feeling part of my body missing, I knew that, it was helpful that my therapist understood the context, but for me to seek out help in a book written by another human, NO WAY. I don't need anyone else's understanding of their experience in order to come into agreement with my own....that's just wrong."

Afterlife: However, you did go to someone to help you understand. Some turn to books... I feel there is no wrong way. I am sorry if you are offended.

"I certainly hope you are not intending to write a book to TEACH other people about twin relationships...if they know, they already know all they need to, if they do NOT know, then GOD HELP you for making those folks feel as if they are missing something....

The self-help "I know about this let me teach you" healing books are getting WAY out of hand. Some things, actually MOST things, should be left to the seeker to discover and understand on their own terms."

Afterlife: I believe to each their own, and this includes the preference in what one wishes to read...

"I only hold with books that explain teachings, such as the Toltic wisdoms as written by Don Miguel Ruiz..but certainly NOT books that try to show people what they cannot ever understand. IT IS POINTLESS, hurtful and really, that will have some interesting karma attached to it. I will have nothing to do with that, and if I ever see anything relating to my story in a book for payment, I will be most unhappy."

Afterlife: Nothing like this will ever happen, so please have no worries. I stated clearly what I was doing here after beginning this thread.

Just so you know, no one may publish what you have written here without first having your written consent to include your experience or excerpts thereof for publication in any format.

I was impressed by your honesty in addition to the fact that you seemed to go "in reverse" in the reunion path, from twin, to soul mate. I found this point most interesting as well as many other comments you have made. You may not feel your experience helps others, but it does. People just don't say...

In my research, I see a common phenomenon. Twins are reuniting at a faster rate these days...so fast that many people have not even yet heard of the term Twin Flame.

I agree with you that those who have not experienced a twin reunion will have no understanding of what it is like, however, I think you are forgetting that the twin memory of the other (the initial togetherness before the first separation) is blueprinted within each twin and is never forgotten.

If someone chooses to read a book, it is by their own free will. If you choose to read an article or a book, again it is your choice...it was not forced upon you.

"I don't need Princeton to tell me what I experience, those dolts aren't in my head, or in my heart, they seek to prove that which is intangible, and that is impossible. Besides, those who truly have these experiences are NOT going to cooperate, like we need Princeton to validate what we know is true?? LOL what idiots, and, how egoistic."

Afterlife: It is a simple article for informational purposes, and I believe it was meant for sharing (for those who are interested) and nothing more.

-Afterlife
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There are too many books with misinformation, misinterpreted information, and out and out lies floating around. Each person has a unique experience with this (or not) and it is not for me or anyone else to tell someone what will or SHOULD happen to them because NO ONE CAN.

I sought help in therapy because of the trauma of the loss. I was quite fortunate that my therapist is also spiritually oriented, however, if she had not been, I still would have received excellent counseling. Therapists are not all about telling you that your experiences are wrong, thus, even if I had raised the issue and she had NOT understood, she still would have found a means to help me work through it. AND, BTW she did not truly understand at all, she did not have any framework of experience of her own to work with, but I can promise you my therapist did not run out and read a book about twin flames and come back to me telling me I was all wrong.

TOO MANY authoritarian "I KNOW and YOU DON'T" books out there. When I read Sylvia Brown's book about her guide Francine I had to laugh about how many people were now going to try to contact their guides, how many people were going to feel WRONG because their guides did not share the same "vision" or "experience" of the afterlife. That is just one example of how to make people feel wrong in their own experiences.

We are all individuals, my NDE will be different (although share some common elements) than any one else's..that does not make THEIRS wrong and MINE right.

It is wrong to put information out there that is in any way defining of any one experience.

People are individual souls with separate and individual experiences to learn from, no one experience will ever match another person's.

I personally feel it is wrong to try to write anything definitive, it does far more damage than aide, I know, because I was a searcher and each time I thought I was reading the "right" thing it never was, not ever because each of us has our own experience with these things, there is nothing common about it. Your statement that "more twins are finding each other but my experience seemed to run in reverse" is just such and example...TWINS do not "need" to find each other in lifetimes, they ARE each other. There is nothing COSMIC about twins finding each other or not. We are ALL on a journey to the same source and we will all get there, eventually, the long road or the short, and being with your twin in a lifetime is most likely going to be more of a hinder in growth than an aid to it. If you have already reached a state of being in which you are so elevated and can exist with your twin eternally, then why the hell would you incarnate back to earth??? Too many contradictions here.

OH, perhaps there are the odd set of twins here on earth to help facilitate healing, perhaps they are so elevated that the simple joys of being one with the twin in LIFE and BODY will not interfere, but that's not likely.

I stopped reading other people's shit a long time ago...no more will any other person's words or experiences override what I know and learn.
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The article about the gal who would leave her kids in a burning house and get her twin out first was very interesting. As stated earlier, it takes a great deal of maturation to be with a twin. That gal didn't have it. She is out there healing people yet so judgmental and rude on this forum? It seemed like she was whacking Afterlife up side de head. I wonder how old that gal is? I wouldn't want her trying to "heal" anyone I knew. I think the gal has to realize being with her twin in an earlier stage of life was a developmental experience. As she matures she could handle being with such an entity without chucking everything else.
Also, TONS of people come to GLP and read these things, probably more than would have read any article Afterlife would have printed. So what's the big fuss?
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It's time for REAL relationships, not "telepathic" ones.
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It's time for REAL relationships, not "telepathic" ones.
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Okay then.
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The article about the gal who would leave her kids in a burning house and get her twin out first was very interesting. As stated earlier, it takes a great deal of maturation to be with a twin. That gal didn't have it. She is out there healing people yet so judgmental and rude on this forum? It seemed like she was whacking Afterlife up side de head. I wonder how old that gal is? I wouldn't want her trying to "heal" anyone I knew. I think the gal has to realize being with her twin in an earlier stage of life was a developmental experience. As she matures she could handle being with such an entity without chucking everything else.
Also, TONS of people come to GLP and read these things, probably more than would have read any article Afterlife would have printed. So what's the big fuss?
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Your response proves my point incontrovertibly. Nowhere in my story was there any indication of the sex of any person, no where in my story was there any indication of who the parents of the children were, and yet you formed a judgment anyway. For all you know the sex of the persons involved are both female, both male, or male and female, the children could be anyone's. Yet miraculously you were able to form a judgment anyway. Being able to read and hear a story WITHOUT judgment is an advanced skill, not judging a situation between people you have no knowledge of is important. That is in fact why I am opposed to publishing "stories" from people as a definitive of any experience, BECAUSE humans cannot help but judge...themselves for not having the same experience, or the persons in the story because the experience read does not match the reader's perceptions.


You came to the defense of Afterlife because you thought I was attacking that person which cannot be further from the truth. I was stating that in my opinion it is wrong, (some things are inherently wrong) to put other souls into the position of feeling wrong about their experiences and to define one person's experience as a benchmark for others.

Making people feel wrong, or not good enough is not conducive to healing, ever. "what's wrong with me, I've never found my soulmate or experienced the twin relationship"...that will be the ultimate product of sharing such things so broadly and definitively. (and throughout your entire post you tried to make me wrong...in my own experience:))

For instance, there is a fellow who is going about sharing his vision of HELL given to him by God. I heard him on that Steve Qualye show. He claims that God showed him hell so that he could tell others all about it, and "scare" them to Jesus.

What I know from my own experience is that there is no literal hell, it is my own knowing, thus I wondered what his experience was all about. We are all defined by our belief systems, and very often messages do not and cannot reach us except through that belief system. I wondered if this man was struggling internally with some deep pain, thinking about acting out, perhaps abusing a child, or committing some other crime, something perhaps he brought into this life to overcome...then I wondered, what would be the most effective way for his guides to keep him on the straight and narrow, to help him overcome these deep issues, to keep him scared straight (for example). What better way for the guides of this man to keep him on the straight and narrow than to work within his belief system? The man was a Christian and firmly believed in eternal damnation for sins committed. Perhaps his guides gave him a vision of what he believed in order to keep him from straying from his soular pathways? Guides do help us that way.... If the man firmly believed in hell, but still wrestled with an evil within, perhaps the only way his guides could nudge him into leaving those "evil" concepts behind was to literally scare him straight?

(*please note that the above is couched with "perhaps" and what if, it is not a judgment of this man but a framework to help ME understand why he might have gotten such a horrifying visitation.)

His "vision" was so terrifying to him that he felt compelled to scare others as he was scared, the message being "don't do it, or you will burn forever in a lake of fire". Perhaps someone will hear his message and be dissuaded from committing a vile act based on the fear of burning in the lake of fire and or being eaten by demons???

WHO knows, but his experience was and will always be inherently his own and will not ever be a guide post for ME in the way I live my life. Am I judging his experience? NO, only in a way in which he tried to apply it to MY life (and he did apply it to the lives of all humans in a most threatening manner). I refuse that application and insist that his experience was his alone, and for him, for whatever purpose his guides had, only his higher self knows.

What is clear is that many people cannot order their lives without being terrified of burning in a lake of fire eternally, and if this fear helps them order their lives, then of course it is a necessary fear. (For them). Thus my experience with my twin is inherently my own and should NEVER be a guidepost for anyone else to seek that feeling, miss that feeling, or in any way feel in adequate because they have not experienced it.

Your meeting or not, with a twin or soulmate(s) in this life was decided by your soul and guides BEFORE you came into this lifetime. There is no guidebook by which someone can operate in order to find either, or to know either...either you will or you will not. Teaching people that it is possible to do that which has NOT been decided on a soular level is unkind and elicits false hope and perhaps even a focus which is emotionally unhealthy...the headlines "seek your soulmate" is deceptive..you cannot seek nor find that which your soul prior to coming to this earth has NOT come into agreement with. If your soul decided that in this life you will not meet your twin, then you will not, but you certainly can waste many many years searching, while you could be working on something else. What is clear, is that when you meet your twin or "A" soulmate you do recognize that person, you will know, thus how is it helpful to set yourself to the goal of a constant search that may or may not be spiritually fruitful if it is not meant for you to have this experience in this lifetime?

The best advice I would give is to life each day in love, love yourself, the who and what you are, discover what you are not so you can experience what you are, (we do that by making mistakes that harm ourselves or others and seeking NOT to repeat them) forgive....yourself and those who hurt you, accept the negative things that happen to you as situations that you decided to experience prior to your birth in order to grow and move forward, accept that some things that happen to you are also deeply karmic, that you are merely reaping what you have sown, deal with those things in love and without judging yourself. Deal gently with yourself in love, focus on moving forward, don't get caught in a "I am a victim of *insert word*" trap..release those things and move on.

And the worst and most unloving thing you can do to yourself is to get caught in someone else's story. The thing I most admired about Don Miguel Ruiz is that the first words out of his mouth when I began to speak were "this is not about my story, this is about YOUR story," and thus the Toltic wisdoms taught in The Four Agreements, and The Mastery of Love focus the reader on THEIR OWN STORY, and not the story and experiences of others.
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I too have experienced a soulmate connection, as well as a deeper connection with another man. The latter might be a twin flame, although I am not certain because definitions vary so much. I feel the profound connection you're talking about with him, but there are so many variations in the descriptions of soulmates and twin flames. For example, this person is much more evolved than I am, yet I feel merged with him. I would not call him a mirror of myself. Nor am I living a life that's similar, although I have often felt I should be. I am not living the life I need to be living.

I'm not sure I want to talk about my situation because I don't want to be judged.
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But if someone could please clarify whether there are specific rules which would apply to twin flames. Such as, are they ALWAYS a mirror of oneself? Can one be more evolved than the other? Can one be with their tf in any other way besides as aa Divine Couple? Could one be close firends with their tf, or is that too intense?
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To both the above posts, stop worrying about the relationships in question and enjoy them for what they are.

Who knows what the SOULMATE, TWIN FLAME "rules" are? LOL There isn't a person alive with the authority to write that rule book, (although plenty THINK they have it.)

Each relationship should be taken as it is, for what it is to you. YOU KNOW how a relationship feels TO YOU and you should define it within those parameters for yourself, NOT by the parameters set out by total strangers in the mistaken notion that someone else knows more than you do.

You already hold all the answers that you seek within you, listen to your heart, soul, and guides...NOT someone else.

IF a relationship is good, enjoy it, if it is bad (makes you feel badly, ect.) experience that feeling and decide if you want to continue feeling badly, if not decide what you could do better in your next relationship, acknowledge what you learned from it, and move on.
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I don't really know much about twin flames. I know more about soulmates, but the whole twin flame thing is somewhat new to me. The only reason I have any interest and/or belief in this topic at all is because of my own recent experience. Otherwise I would probably not believe in it. So now I am trying to learn more about twin flames.
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I too have experienced a soulmate connection, as well as a deeper connection with another man. The latter might be a twin flame, although I am not certain because definitions vary so much. I feel the profound connection you're talking about with him, but there are so many variations in the descriptions of soulmates and twin flames. For example, this person is much more evolved than I am, yet I feel merged with him. I would not call him a mirror of myself. Nor am I living a life that's similar, although I have often felt I should be. I am not living the life I need to be living.

I'm not sure I want to talk about my situation because I don't want to be judged.

But if someone could please clarify whether there are specific rules which would apply to twin flames. Such as, are they ALWAYS a mirror of oneself? Can one be more evolved than the other? Can one be with their tf in any other way besides as aa Divine Couple? Could one be close firends with their tf, or is that too intense?

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Dear Sadheart,

If you are not certain about the second person you mentioned, then I feel that maybe no, this is probably not your twin. The reason being is that when you meet them, and you don't even to actually meet them "in person," you know them as yourself, and like yourself, immediately. There will be no doubt or question. So I would not go on other's definitions, but rather what your heart, spirit and soul are telling you. This...you can count on :)

If you do feel this is your twin (the second person mentioned), then yes, there are variations and different levels of evolution, and when you meet, one can be more evolved than the other. Often this means that even though two twins recognise one another, their vibration has not yet evolved at a similar frequency, which is necessary for the joining of twins. Further lessons (and incarnations) must then be experienced and this includes successive meetings until you merge back as one.

I feel that yes, one can be close with their twin flame, just friends, but there must be a very good reason for it, as twins will continually gravitate towards one another, which makes it difficult to be in another relationship at the same time. Additionally, yes, there is intensity like never felt before no mater under what conditions you meet.

If you are not comfortable talking about this topic in such a large forum, I have a private group where we are currently discussing Twin Flames. You are more than welcome to join in. Just send me a note with your email, and I will send you an invitation.

-Afterlife
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But you are right that one should go within and listen to ones inner *knowing*. Thanks for the advice.

I guess what I am seeking is clarification on the definition of twin flames. Then I can look within and decide whether this person is a twin flame or a soulmate. There seem to be rules about what constitutes a soulmate or a twin flame. But each source has different theories. For example, some say the twin flame is a mirror of oneself, others say that is not always the case. Some say twin flames are in this world, but they can also be in another realm and not part of this realm. Some say the two have to be on the same level in order to meet, others say that they don't. Some say there will be no pain or confusion when the meeting takes place, others say it can be a painful experience if one flame isn't ready to merge with the other yet.
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Thanks, Afterlife. I would be interested to talk about this further. I am not too comfortable discussing it on a large forum. Although there might be some good input here as well.

It's not that I have to ask whether I have a connection with this person. My confusion lies in the actual definition of *twin flame* itself. There are different versions from various sources about what a twin flame is. This is where my confusion lies, not whether I am connected.
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Thanks, Afterlife. I would be interested to talk about this further. I am not too comfortable discussing it on a large forum. Although there might be some good input here as well.

It's not that I have to ask whether I have a connection with this person. My confusion lies in the actual definition of *twin flame* itself. There are different versions from various sources about what a twin flame is. This is where my confusion lies, not whether I am connected.
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Hello Sadheart,

This is from page 4 on this thread...

How will you know you have met your twin? Here are some of the symptoms given by others who have had the experience...

Chances are you've met through a set of unusual circumstances that were totally unplanned and unexpected.

There is a powerful, instantaneous feeling that you have known the other before.

You felt an immediate and deep connection for one another.

There is an electrifying feeling between the two of you that words cannot describe.

The relationship is immediate, as though no time had been lost since you were last together.

It feels as though you had never really lived before the reunion occurred.

You feel a deep sense of sacredness and unity with God that you've have never known before.

It brings on feelings you never thought possible.

The two of you are inseparable.

When you look into each other's eyes, time and space have no meaning.

There are no barriers between the two of you. The relationship is a totally open one.

Your conversations seem to go on forever.

The two of you have a strong urge to serve humanity in a deep and meaningful way.

You give to the other and never think of receiving in return.

There is a special sacredness to your relationship that transcends anything you've ever experienced before.

You still have karma with your twin from previous lives, but the two of you resolve it all with total forgiveness and unconditional love.

Neither one of you are dependent on the other for your sense of self.

There is a strong sense of unlimitedness eternity to your feelings.

Your feelings for each other are very spiritual.

There are no restrictions within the relationship. All is freedom without the need for ownership or control.

The two of you know without doubt that you have been brought together for a reason.

You do not compete with one another nor do you pretend to be other than who you are.

In spite of your sameness, there is no doubt you feel a sense of completion through the other.

Trust, patience and acceptance of each other's weaknesses happen automatically.

There is a great sense of purpose and meaning to the relationship.

Your sexuality with one another is a sacred act that celebrates the unconditional love you have for one another.

The two of you become more and more one, without losing your individual identities.

When you look into the other's eyes, you see yourself.

You experience a sense of completeness that is without comparison.

The degree of intimacy and friendship the two of you develop is without parallel.

You recognize that the two of you are Godmates.

This excerpt is from: "Beings of Light"
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Thanks, that's really a beautiful description of a well-developed relationship between two people. Unfortunately,
I have only met him very *briefly*. We never even had a conversation and I never looked into his eyes.
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A lot of the feelings described fit the way I feel, but I don't have a *relationship* with this person, in the mundane sense. It's more of a spiritual connection, but it's not one-on-one interaction. It's more mind-to-mind or heart-to-heart, no words or conversations involved.
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Thanks, that's really a beautiful description of a well-developed relationship between two people. Unfortunately,
I have only met him very *briefly*. We never even had a conversation and I never looked into his eyes.
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Yes, this does not matter. You can experience your twin without ever even meeting them! There are many ways to experience your twin...

-Afterlife
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A lot of the feelings described fit the way I feel, but I don't have a *relationship* with this person, in the mundane sense. It's more of a spiritual connection, but it's not one-on-one interaction. It's more mind-to-mind or heart-to-heart, no words or conversations involved.
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Now this is sounding more like a twin connection...

-Afterlife
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Thanks, Afterlife. I would be interested to talk about this further. I am not too comfortable discussing it on a large forum. Although there might be some good input here as well.

It's not that I have to ask whether I have a connection with this person. My confusion lies in the actual definition of *twin flame* itself. There are different versions from various sources about what a twin flame is. This is where my confusion lies, not whether I am connected.
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Twin Flames

"Twin flames are ourselves in another body. When we have reached the stage where we are capable of giving unconditional love, we then have the opportunity to reconnect with our “other half” or twin flame. The chances are that we meet our twin flame briefly in many lifetimes, but one or both of us are not ready for the intensity of this connection. When both halves of the whole are ready to come back together and meet they will discover that in their lifetime they have lead almost parallel lives.

The events of their lives will mirror each other almost exactly. They may have come from very similar families and family dynamics. They may have had similar schooling or lack thereof. They may have crossed paths socially or lived close by to each other and never known it. They may have almost identical careers. They may even have previous marriages and divorces within weeks of each other. When twin flames get to know each other, they will feel as if the other is reading their life script. That isn't to say they are identical people, but they are perfectly complimentary to each other.

When twin flames meet for the first time in a physical life, they recognize themselves in the other person. This will come as a deep surprise to both, but the recognition is immediate. At the same time you will feel that you have always known this person who is sitting in front of you. It is a feeling of home-coming, because you recognize your other self and feel very much that you have come home when you are with your spiritual twin flame counterpart. Be aware that soul mates also have a strong recognition pattern, only there will be that little voice in your head that knows the difference.

When twin flames come together they become one, they are not like each other but they are the mirror image of the other. They think alike, they hold the same values and often their life experiences are very similar. Twin flames do not teach each other, they learn together and help each other learn the lessons that have been set before them in this lifetime. When twin flames come together they join forces and are capable of overcoming obstacles the average mortal could not begin to face. They are so filled with unconditional love they literally glow with it and have much to share with others. They are the inspiration that poets write about and singers sing about.

Once in awhile, yes I have seen twin flames come together and not make it work, this is only because you have chosen different life lessons this time around and you do not fit as lovers, but you always be best freinds."


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See that is what I mean, who made TANYA the "word" on twin flames?

"Once in awhile, yes I have seen twin flames come together and not make it work, this is only because you have chosen different life lessons this time around and you do not fit as lovers, but you always be best freinds."

LOL clearly that's NOT true. WHO told her all this information? Francine? You make my point every time you post something definitive about this, and people should and must experience this for themselves and define it for themselves, Tanya does not define the twin relationship for anyone but herself.

WHO died and made THESE people the authority to go about telling other people what is or is not the RIGHT way to experience their twin? No one.
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Hi 281673, so what is YOUR twin flame experience?
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"Once in awhile, yes I have seen twin flames come together and not make it work, this is only because you have chosen different life lessons this time around and you do not fit as lovers, but you always be best friends."

Response: I wouldn't know what to think about these individual cases, so I can't judge. Personally, I think it would be very hard to be *just friends* with someone you are so connected with. Friendship is the coming together of soulmates who share a lot in common and it's often a calm, cozy "mom and apple pie" kind of feeling. But a Divine Love connection is on fire with passion. This does not mean full of lust, but there is a longing for spiritual union that's sacred. It would be hard to have a platonic, *best friend* relationship under these conditions.
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Could Radha and Krishna be *just friends*? :)
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This is not to say that something akin to friendship wouldn't be part of the relationship, but it's much more. To me, friendship is more of an understanding of another, a kind of empathy with another person's soul. But a union goes beyond that. You can *feel* the other person, so it goes beyond just understanding them. There is no separate person to make friends with. You are already *one* so to speak. But the need to merge is so great that I think it would be really hard to be *best friends* and nothing more.





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