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Redheaded Stepchild User ID: 319539 United States 11/01/2007 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Our children belong to the State. This woman is being made an example to the rest of us...we are not to resist the State. If we do, TPTB will destroy us. This is proof. "Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis." Karl Denninger Don't blame me; I voted for Ron Paul. Silence is consent. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 320352 United States 11/01/2007 12:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's what happens when you practice medicine without a license. She should be a lesson to all you tinfoil health food, holistic nuts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54326In this case, I would have asked for a second opinion as to wheather or not this was an accurate diagnosis. I don't believe that he had a cancer that would have killed him in a week. Errors are filling our system with wrong diagnosis. With cancer, if you are told that you have it, you will die from fright, or because you are supposed to. A second biopsy should always be performed. The Dr. had no bedside manner, and should be sued for malpractise. |
mercury2 User ID: 320353 Norway 11/01/2007 12:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have been saying for a while now, this is my official prediction, mark my words, they are going to make it ILLEGAL to be SICK. That's my prediction. If they're forcing people to have medical treatment against their will NOW, wait til we have "universal healthcare"! Whee! Can't you see six strong guys holding me down and drugging me to get me to have a PAP smear and mammogram? |
Evil Twin User ID: 12207 United States 11/01/2007 12:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have been saying for a while now, this is my official prediction, mark my words, they are going to make it Quoting: mercury2ILLEGAL to be SICK. That's my prediction. If they're forcing people to have medical treatment against their will NOW, wait til we have "universal healthcare"! Whee! Can't you see six strong guys holding me down and drugging me to get me to have a PAP smear and mammogram? Mandatory "health" care looks mighty appealling, doesn't it? |
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Evil Twin User ID: 12207 United States 11/01/2007 01:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just found this article on the ineffectiveness of chemotherapy. In 1971 Richard Nixon announced the War on Cancer, and promised a cure by the 1977 bicentennial. In each of the 25 plus years since, more Americans have died of cancer than the year before. The failure of chemotherapy to control cancer has become apparent even to the oncology establishment. Scientific American featured a recent cover story entitled: "The War on Cancer -- It's Being Lost." In it, eminent epidemiologist John C. Bailar III, MD, PhD, Chairman of the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at McGill University cited the relentless increase in cancer deaths in the face of growing use of toxic chemotherapy. He concluded that scientists must look in new directions if they are ever to make progress against this unremitting killer. Adding its voice, the prestigious British medical journal The Lancet, decrying the failure of conventional therapy to stop the rise in breast cancer deaths, noted the discrepancy between public perception and reality. "If one were to believe all the media hype, the triumphalism of the [medical] profession in published research, and the almost weekly miracle breakthroughs trumpeted by the cancer charities, one might be surprised that women are dying at all from this cancer" it observed. Noting that conventional therapies -- chemotherapy, radiation and surgery -- had been pushed to their limits with dismal results, the editorial called on researchers to "challenge dogma and redirect research efforts along more fruitful lines." John Cairns, professor of microbiology at Harvard University, published a devastating 1985 critique in Scientific American. "Aside from certain rare cancers, it is not possible to detect any sudden changes in the death rates for any of the major cancers that could be credited to chemotherapy. Whether any of the common cancers can be cured by chemotherapy has yet to be established." In fact, chemotherapy is curative in very few cancers -- testicular, Hodgkin's, choriocarcinoma, childhood leukemia. In most common solid tumors -- lung, colon, breast, etc. -- chemotherapy is NOT curative. In an article entitled "Chemotherapy: Snake-Oil Remedy?" that appeared in the Los Angeles Times of 1/9/87, Dr. Martin F. Shapiro explained that while "some oncologists inform their patients of the lack of evidence that treatments work...others may well be misled by scientific papers that express unwarranted optimism about chemotherapy. Still others respond to an economic incentive. Physicians can earn much more money running active chemotherapy practices than they can providing solace and relief.. to dying patients and their families." Dr. Shapiro is hardly alone. Alan C. Nixon, PhD, Past President of the American Chemical Society wrote that "As a chemist trained to interpret data, it is incomprehensible to me that physicians can ignore the clear evidence that chemotherapy does much, much more harm than good." In 1986, McGill Cancer Center scientists sent a questionnaire to 118 doctors who treated non-small-cell lung cancer. More than 3/4 of them recruited patients and carried out trials of toxic drugs for lung cancer. They were asked to imagine that they themselves had cancer, and were asked which of six current trials they themselves would choose. 64 of the 79 respondents would not consent to be in a trial containing cisplatin, a common chemotherapy drug. Fifty eight found all the trials unacceptable. Their reason? The ineffectiveness of chemotherapy and its unacceptable degree of toxicity. Famed German biostatistician Ulrich Abel PhD also found in a similar 1989 study that "the personal views of many oncologists seem to be in striking contrast to communications intended for the public." Breast cancer activist Rose Kushner wrote that by 1981 "indiscriminate, automatic adjuvant chemotherapy was replacing the Halsted radical mastectomy as therapeutic overkill in the United States." Thomas Nealon MD, Professor of Surgery at NYU School of Medicine, concluded in 1990 that "The treatment of this tumor now has slipped from too much surgery to too much adjuvant therapy." Why so much use of chemotherapy if it does so little good? Well for one thing, drug companies provide huge economic incentives In 1990, $3.53 billion was spent on chemotherapy. By 1994 that figure had more than doubled to $7.51 billion. This relentless increase in chemo use was accompanied by a relentless increase in cancer deaths. Oncologist Albert Braverman MD wrote in 1991 that "no disseminated neoplasm (cancer) incurable in 1975 is curable today...Many medical oncologists recommend chemotherapy for virtually any tumor, with a hopefulness undiscouraged by almost invariable failure. There are more and more reports by establishment oncologists doubting the value of chemotherapy, even to the point of rejecting it outright. One of these, cancer biostatistician Dr. Ulrich Abel, of Heidelberg, Germany, issued a monograph titled Chemotherapy of Advanced Epithelial Cancer in 1990. Epithelial cancers comprise the most common forms of adenocarcinoma: lung, breast, prostate, colon, etc. After ten years as a statistician in clinical oncology, Abel became increasingly uneasy. "A sober and unprejudiced analysis of the literature," he wrote, "has rarely revealed any therapeutic success by the regimens in question in treating advanced epithelial cancer." While chemotherapy is being used more and more extensively, more than a million people die worldwide of these cancers annually - and a majority have received some form of chemotherapy before dying. Abel further concluded, after polling hundreds of cancer doctors, "The personal view of many oncologists seems to be in striking contrast to communications intended for the public." Abel cited studies that have shown "that many oncologists would not take chemotherapy themselves if they had cancer." (The Cancer Chronicles, December, 1990.) "Even though toxic drugs often do effect a response, such as a partial or complete shrinkage of the tumor, this reduction does not prolong expected survival," Abel finds. "Sometimes, in fact, the cancer returns more aggressively than before, since the chemo fosters the growth of resistant cell lines." Besides, the chemo has severely damaged the body's own defenses, the immune system and often the kidneys as well as the liver. In an especially dramatic table, Dr. Abel displays the results of chemotherapy in patients with various types of cancers, as the improvement of survival rates, compared to untreated patients. This table shows: -In colorectal cancer: no evidence survival is improved. -Gastric cancer: no clear evidence. -Pancreatic cancer: Study completely negative. Longer survival in control (untreated) group. -Bladder: no clinical trial done. -Breast cancer: No direct evidence that chemotherapy prolongs survival; its use is "ethically questionable." -Ovarian cancer: no direct evidence. -Cervix and uterus: No improved survival. -Head and neck: no survival benefit but occasional shrinkage of tumors. The Nov. 17, 1994 Wall Street Journal, in a front page article on political pressure being exerted for insurance companies to pay for bone marrow transplants in advanced breast cancer, experts give a totally negative report on this approach. The procedure, called ABMT (Autologous Bone Marrow Transplant) involves temporarily removing some of the patient's bone marrow, applying a potentially lethal dose of chemotherapy, then returning the marrow to the patient's body. The cost of this procedure is in excess of $100,000.00. The University of Colorado's Dr. Jones, continues the Journal, claims that, with conventional chemotherapy, not more than 2% of patients with spreading breast cancer get a positive response. A non-profit independent technology assessment agency, the Emergency Care Research Institute (ECRI), says that for the average woman with the most advanced form of breast cancer, the high dose ABMT procedure is not only worthless, but also likely to shorten her life. This report by the ECRI is based on an analysis of 40 studies of ABMT and similar procedures involving a total of 1,017 patients, and 61 studies covering 4,852 patients who had conventional chemotherapy Dr. Nelson Erlick, the project's lead analyst, concluded that "many patients are led to believe that this (ABMT) is a successful therapy. We found no evidence whatsoever that it provides any benefit." [link to blacksalveinfo.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21159 Canada 11/01/2007 01:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's what happens when you practice medicine without a license. She should be a lesson to all you tinfoil health food, holistic nuts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 320369Asshole. QFT. Exactly what authority says We must have a license to practice medicine? Bullshit legal statutes that the vast, vast majority of Canadians/Americans/etc have not even signed a lawfully valid contract to follow/uphold, nor taken any type of oath to follow/uphold? The entire North American justice system is founded upon the UCC, governing LAWFULLY VALID CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENTS that must exist between two competent and consenting adults for any type of actual authority to be able to come from legal rules that statutes represent. Have You signed such a contract or taken such an oath? If You have, great, You know what You can do and can't by the rules You have agreed to follow, but don't be surprised that some of Us do Our own thing in recognizing the bullshit that being involved in NA statutes entails and Our God-gifted ability to choose freely Our own alliances that are a more accurate reflection of Who We Are. And how tired must the cops be to have to continue to 'serve justice' by following the orders of such incompetent nimwits as the People involved in this case (obviously, not all, but certainly some of them)? The boy is healed of cancer and they throw Him and His mother in jail ffs. Yeah, I know, it's 'karma balancing out so the rest of Humanity gets a few more whiffs of the stench emanating from certain societal sectors'. Godspeed NESARA or some equivalent announcement/disclosure, enough is enough is already. Namaste. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 180437 United States 11/01/2007 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My brother died from Melanoma thanks to the "system" and I will never trust any of them again! I offered alternatives but the doctors instilled so much fear into him about how dire and 'dangerous' alternatives were that he did not try my options and did as they asked and subsequently died. My anger runs deep and tears at my soul. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 180437 United States 11/01/2007 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's what happens when you practice medicine without a license. She should be a lesson to all you tinfoil health food, holistic nuts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54326Go ahead and get Melanoma for yourself.... You'll be singing a VERY DIFFERENT tune when it's YOUR life on the block. |
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native herb healer User ID: 320410 United States 11/01/2007 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The mother made a serious mistake in taking her son to a doctor in the first place. Had she and her son both kept their mouths shut, they could have quietly cured his illness and nothing would be known. The only risk would be in school and mandatory PE, where other students would have the opportunity to get a look at anything strange on his skin. California made homeschooling illegal because they were embarrassed that the homeschooled students did so much better on tests than those in the school system. Again, had she been thinking straight, she'd have known from the beginning what she faced. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 229229 United States 11/01/2007 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's what happens when you practice medicine without a license. She should be a lesson to all you tinfoil health food, holistic nuts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 320352In this case, I would have asked for a second opinion as to wheather or not this was an accurate diagnosis. I don't believe that he had a cancer that would have killed him in a week. Errors are filling our system with wrong diagnosis. With cancer, if you are told that you have it, you will die from fright, or because you are supposed to. A second biopsy should always be performed. The Dr. had no bedside manner, and should be sued for malpractise. Agreed. She should go on the offense. |
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native herb healer User ID: 274846 United States 11/01/2007 03:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "California made homeschooling illegal" Quoting: Sinanju 310032>>Seriously? Yes, they did. I don't have any links ready but it was widely covered on the kind of sites that would mention that problem. Google should turn the issue up for you. Homeschooling is not legal in every state; it would have done that poor woman some good to think ahead and check. However, had she had that much sense, she'd not have been having kids with a 'deadbeat.' |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 320422 United States 11/01/2007 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why do you think medical practitioning is referred to as a "practice"? We are all guinea pigs for their amusements. Why is laetrile banned? It works, does it not? The problem is that it is easily extracted from apricot and apple seeds (according to my research). Tidbit: The WATCHMEN movie is being produced - do you think the PowerLess-That-Be will change the script in regards to Moloch (Moloch was given cancer by Adrian Veidt/Ozymandias) using laetrile, and Rorschach actually allowing him to continue to use the medication (see WATCHMEN, Books 2-5)? It will be interesting if this is eliminated altogether from the screenplay. At any rate...hospitals have gone over-budget on machines which do nothing but waste energy and lives, and the administrators can't admit that they were wrong to believe in quackery (quackery in my definition being CRAP THAT DOESN'T WORK). This case is very important. Please tell everyone you know, and let's find some kind Native Americans to show all of us how to truly safeguard our lives. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 293349 United States 11/01/2007 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | for health freedom Also, I don't live in CA but here's more info. on homeschooling issues for CA, [link to hslda.org] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 304152 United Kingdom 11/01/2007 04:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is anyone really surprised??? This is going to become the norm.. God forbid I ever get cancer... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 98008Are you living under your parents roof? Because apparently, unless you're a minor, you can do whatever you want regarding treating your own cancer. |
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Sinanju User ID: 310032 United States 11/01/2007 04:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Remember the kids who recently won the national Spelling Bee? They were all home-schooled." >>Oh, I remember... I just cannot believe that imperial indoctrination into socialism is worth the dumbing-down of our best and brightest. But then again, it IS California. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 304152 United Kingdom 11/01/2007 04:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This needs to be on billboards across the nation: "Alan C. Nixon, PhD, Past President of the American Chemical Society wrote that "As a chemist trained to interpret data, it is incomprehensible to me that physicians can ignore the clear evidence that chemotherapy does much, much more harm than good." In 1986, McGill Cancer Center scientists sent a questionnaire to 118 doctors who treated non-small-cell lung cancer. More than 3/4 of them recruited patients and carried out trials of toxic drugs for lung cancer. They were asked to imagine that they themselves had cancer, and were asked which of six current trials they themselves would choose. 64 of the 79 respondents would not consent to be in a trial containing cisplatin, a common chemotherapy drug. Fifty eight found all the trials unacceptable. Their reason? The ineffectiveness of chemotherapy and its unacceptable degree of toxicity." (found in Evil Twin's post) |
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