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The failing economy might be an employee responsibility
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 284815
11/8/2007 11:56 AM
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The ding-bankers will continue the fiat con as long as workers accept payment for their labor in funny money. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 303205
11/8/2007 12:00 PM | | Re: The failing economy might be an employee responsibility | Quote |
Whereas the grocery store will accept what? Gold bullion doesn't fit into the cash register. |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 284815 (OP)
11/8/2007 12:05 PM | | Re: The failing economy might be an employee responsibility | Quote |
USD is in freefall. Three...two...one...what grocery stores? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 303205
11/8/2007 12:08 PM | | Re: The failing economy might be an employee responsibility | Quote |
I'd gladly accept gold in payment, or something else (maybe beer), but then it would make buying things i need a bit hard. Since the economy relies on buying and selling -as opposed to bartering - its a little difficult to trade, say, some x-box games for a bag of groceries when the store manager refuses to change. Employees have no say whatsoever. If i won't accpet 'funny money' then i get fired and someone who does replaces me. Pure and simple. |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 284815 (OP)
11/8/2007 12:11 PM | | Re: The failing economy might be an employee responsibility | Quote |
I'd gladly accept gold in payment, or something else (maybe beer), but then it would make buying things i need a bit hard.
Might soon be a snag buying much stuff with funny money.
Gosh, what a puzzle. |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 284815 (OP)
11/8/2007 12:13 PM | | Re: The failing economy might be an employee responsibility | Quote |
Here's 50 bucks, go buy a carrot. |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 284815 (OP)
11/8/2007 12:18 PM | |
D SMith
User ID: 311305
11/8/2007 12:23 PM | | Re: The failing economy might be an employee responsibility | Quote |
All money is faith based. Gold and silver are no more rare then any other metal. WE just decide they are worth something.
If we believe it has worth then it does. IF we believe in our paper then the paper has worth.
Our illusion of wealth is as real as our faith in our system. Our currency is as real as our shadow, and Yes our shadow may lack substance but hell everybody has one...
and the coffee machine here only takes quarters so lets all click our heals three times and say I believe in money... I believe in money.... I |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 189801
11/8/2007 12:23 PM | | Re: The failing economy might be an employee responsibility | Quote |
The Amero will be issued as credits. |
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Redheaded Stepchild
User ID: 319539
11/8/2007 12:29 PM
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Quoting: Emperor Kenton 284815
Perhaps the states should print "provincial bonds," as did two provinces in Argentina?
[link to www.cyberclass.net]
CASH-STARVED ARGENTINE PROVINCES TURNING OUT THEIR OWN MONEY
By Andres Oppenheimer, Knight-Ridder News.
MIAMI -- Two remote Argentine provinces, short of cash to pay public employees, have come up with an easy solution.
They're printing up their own money, to the chagrin of the national and international banking authorities.
"We are paying all our public employees with provincial bonds," Roberto Romero, governor of the northern Argentina province of Salta, said in a telephone interview. He said Salta started printing its own IOUs because it wasn't getting sufficient federal currency fast enough.
"People can change these bonds for money at any bank," Romero said. "They can use them to shop at supermarkets and to buy cars or any other products."
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Hmmmmmm...
But then,
"Congress shall have power...To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin,and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States; ..."
"Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis." Karl Denninger
Don't blame me; I voted for Ron Paul.
Silence is consent. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 303205
11/8/2007 12:31 PM | | Re: The failing economy might be an employee responsibility | Quote |
The problem you're trying to address OP is the lack of real goods. I understand that. But the supermarket manager is the one with the real goods and until he decides what he wants in return for those goods, a desk jockey employee has little say. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 284815 (OP)
11/8/2007 12:33 PM | | Re: The failing economy might be an employee responsibility | Quote |
Our illusion of wealth is as real as our faith in our system.
Myths have a bad habit of going poof, sometimes overnight. |
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Rabbit
User ID: 305078
11/8/2007 12:34 PM | | Re: The failing economy might be an employee responsibility | Quote |
Good Point Kent
But, everyone would have to do it...not just a few. An all out boycott...a sustained one.
Heck, it's illegal for me to strike and withhold my labor. Blackboard flu is our only trump card left.
But, if everyoneeee refuses then perhaps we'd get somewhere. |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 284815 (OP)
11/8/2007 12:37 PM | | Re: The failing economy might be an employee responsibility | Quote |
The problem you're trying to address OP is the lack of real goods. I understand that. But the supermarket manager is the one with the real goods and until he decides what he wants in return for those goods, a desk jockey employee has little say.
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I say it'll go back to the farmer, speaking of real goods.
Hey, farmer Jones how much monopoly money will you trade that bag of potatoes for?
Could be rough on super market managers. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 303205
11/8/2007 12:40 PM | | Re: The failing economy might be an employee responsibility | Quote |
The problem you're trying to address OP is the lack of real goods. I understand that. But the supermarket manager is the one with the real goods and until he decides what he wants in return for those goods, a desk jockey employee has little say.
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I say it'll go back to the farmer, speaking of real goods.
Hey, farmer Jones how much monopoly money will you trade that bag of potatoes for?
Could be rough on super market managers. Quoting: Emperor Kenton 284815
true true. I'm just coming at it from my point of view. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 284815 (OP)
11/8/2007 12:42 PM | | Re: The failing economy might be an employee responsibility | Quote |
Heck, it's illegal for me to strike and withhold my labor. Blackboard flu is our only trump card left.
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Fine fix, eh? Wonder how that happened speaking of employee responsibility.
Will we roll out of bed to work for 12 bucks, which might soon be worth in the minus, after all it requires more labor to haul all those greenbacks to the dump. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 254820
11/8/2007 12:49 PM | | Re: The failing economy might be an employee responsibility | Quote |
I think the best way to begin straightening out the money corruption from the bottom up would be for the people to refuse to buy anything that includes an interest charge. Squeeze out all levels of usury. If you want to buy something of large value and the seller wants to sell it he will have to accept a payment arrangement or wait until you can save enough to pay in full.
Do you know of any regular employees that earn an interest on their labor until they get paid? No. Most employees give their labor over interest free until payday which is usually a week to to two weeks later. What if we insisted on earning interest for the time that our employer had use of the value that we created for him? Wouldn't that prospect begin to turn the tables on the concept of usury and level the playing field? |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 284815 (OP)
11/8/2007 12:49 PM | | Re: The failing economy might be an employee responsibility | Quote |
Here's a Sci-Fi thought.
A city landscape with greenbacks flying all over the place, on the sidewalks, littering Central Park.
Kind of reminds me of the Battle of the Bighorn, Green Frogskins in the breezes. Sitting Bull using them to tinder the campfires. |
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Anonymous Coward
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11/8/2007 1:04 PM | | Re: The failing economy might be an employee responsibility | Quote |
The ding-bankers will continue the fiat con as long as workers accept payment for their labor in funny money. Quoting: Emperor Kenton 284815
Gee, I can remember a time when our money was backed by gold and was worth something. I guess the bankers will keep propping this up until all the Mexican labor (who will work for nothing and like it) gets across the border, then they will let the economy go down like the Titanic.
"Gentlemen, it has been a privilege playing with you this evening" |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 284815 (OP)
11/8/2007 1:06 PM | | Re: The failing economy might be an employee responsibility | Quote |
If the dollar totally tanks [Ron Paul scenario] how many politicians will bother to show up to pass more laws, how many cops will bother to show up to enforce them, especially if everyone is pissed to the max.
Soldiers might still pillage for the Feudal Lords, not good, however typical, in fact how it always has been really.
I think we'd better cast a cold inquiring look to Argentina. |
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von Doom
User ID: 163783
11/8/2007 1:07 PM | | Re: The failing economy might be an employee responsibility | Quote |
The problem you're trying to address OP is the lack of real goods. I understand that. But the supermarket manager is the one with the real goods and until he decides what he wants in return for those goods, a desk jockey employee has little say.
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I say it'll go back to the farmer, speaking of real goods.
Hey, farmer Jones how much monopoly money will you trade that bag of potatoes for?
Could be rough on super market managers. Quoting: Emperor Kenton 284815
You mean the government subsidized farmers?
Sounds like it'll be a governmental issue to me and gold will simply not be in the picture. |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 284815 (OP)
11/8/2007 1:18 PM | | Re: The failing economy might be an employee responsibility | Quote |
Sounds like it'll be a governmental issue to me and gold will simply not be in the picture.
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What government? Last I heard the politicians enjoy being paid. |
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von Doom
User ID: 163783
11/8/2007 1:23 PM | | Re: The failing economy might be an employee responsibility | Quote |
Sounds like it'll be a governmental issue to me and gold will simply not be in the picture.
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What government? Last I heard the politicians enjoy being paid. Quoting: Emperor Kenton 284815
The contingency government Kenton, and they'll get paid plenty, just not in dollars. |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 284815 (OP)
11/8/2007 1:45 PM | | Re: The failing economy might be an employee responsibility | Quote |
The contingency government Kenton, and they'll get paid plenty, just not in dollars.
Hmm, interesting. Who do you think will gurgle to the surface as Contingency government? Will they have viable Enforcers? |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 284815 (OP)
11/8/2007 2:03 PM | | Re: The failing economy might be an employee responsibility | Quote |
Some pretend that the Queen will re-acquire her colony.
Trying to imagine how that will interpolate down to the field.
Some Redcoat sallies up to farmer Jesse Hatfield James, and declares, "I say old boy, this is now the Queen's land, so be a good chap and toodle-oo."
Them-thar Redcoats be bad-ass Hombres, eh? |
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von Doom
User ID: 163783
11/8/2007 2:06 PM | | Re: The failing economy might be an employee responsibility | Quote |
The contingency government Kenton, and they'll get paid plenty, just not in dollars.
Hmm, interesting. Who do you think will gurgle to the surface as Contingency government? Will they have viable Enforcers? Quoting: Emperor Kenton 284815
If the scenario plays out to an extreme where food become unattainable by familiar means, desperation will be the enforcer.
What will the public do without their MSG amd aspartame? |
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