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jcd
11/29/2004 03:24 PM
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Friend of mine, in investments, says 2 satellites that he knows of completely died this weekend and they donīt know what caused it. Satellite guys have been killing themselves trying to manuver other satellites around to cover the gap. Anyone got any more details, or know what might have caused 2 to be dead in the water at the same time?
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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what type of satellites? what data did they transmit? Thereīs quite a few up there.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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Ah, friend of mine ...
Why am I thinking Aussie Bloke?
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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they didnīt vote for Bush so he took them out
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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A friend of yours in investment? Whoa! Thatīs a
good source ... not! Itīs horseshit!
jcd
12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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One was military, thatīs all he said about that and the other was for investing firms, data transfers, etc. I think thatīs all I know. Ask away, Iīll see if anything else comes back to mind.
JPL worker bee
12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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The two sats are Geosat1 and Goes 3.

So far there is no known cause but it is suspected that it is not "natural" if you know what I mean
jcd
12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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Duh, ID 10 T error!! I run a computer store. He had to come in and use the DSL, their satellite is down, what more do you want me to say. Their whole firm, Edward Jones, is down across the entire country. What kind of proof do you think I should put up here.
Nerak
12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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Geomagnetic storms have a cumulative effect on space electronics and some of those birds are pretty old.
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12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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I havent heard...
However trying to move Geo-stationary sats is nearly impossible, most likely trying to cover gaps by re-direction of transmitted signals!
Either way Many have noticed a lot of sat interferance as of late, many could be shutting down, or losing their orbits as the I.S.S. did!nuke
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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Those are weather sats for the military. Why would someone bring those down?
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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Probably Iridium Satalites!
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12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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good report. thanks for posting this. and no, yuo are mostlikely correct, it wonīt be on the six oclock news.
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12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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bump for importance!
no link = no credibility
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star gazer
12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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Speaking of satellites - anybody know whatīs become of Bill Gatesī Teledesic project? It was suppose to go online by 2004. Now itīs website is even missing?!

Iīd been wondering about this earlier when I read the post about the new internet and then saw this post.

I thought of it due to the Teledesic connection with Brilliant Pebbles. Funny thing is, the website which explained the connection is now password only!

"Brilliant Pebbles originally was designed for the Armageddon scenario of a Soviet strike with thousands of nuclear warheads, perhaps preceded by a disabling assault on any American defenses. After the Scud attacks of the Gulf War, however, Wood told scientists and students at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, pebbles were modified so they now can swoop down into the atmosphere and kill Scuds, perhaps even cruise missiles.

Pebbles, Wood said, also can act as bodyguards for high-value U.S. satellites, inspect or attack other satellites and sacrifice themselves in one-time spy missions.

Arrayed by the hundreds in two layers of space, the pebbles were hardened against nuclear blasts and lesser assaults. All or part of the constellation would be activated on human command, then the satellites would talk among themselves, size up likely targets and autonomously fire themselves one by one, like self-directed bullets, at enemy missiles. When tensions eased, U.S. military commanders would rescind "weapons release," and the pebbles would cease their attack."

[link to www.highfrontier.org]





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SMc
12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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damned No shit. Not good.
Urinal Cake..
12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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The only satilites that I know of are the,George Satilites, I liked there song,
DONīT GIVE ME NO LINE AND KEEP YOUR HANDS TO YOURSELF.

Hope your thingys work out OK.hi
eyeinthesky
12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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GOES 3 & GeoSat?
un-classified use is monitoring oceans.

GOES3 & GEOSAT are maintained by ONR
equivalent satellites are maintained by NSA/NRO

(more to this)

The third operational satellite in NOAAīs geosynchronous weather satellite system. The satellite was designed to sense meteorological conditions from a fixed location above the Earth, and to provide this data to operational forecasters and private interests on the ground. This satellite was designed to replace GOES 1 over the Indian Ocean as part of the Global Atmospheric Research Program (GARP).

The principle instrument on board was the Visible Infrared Spin Scan Radiometer (VISSR) which provided day and night imagery of cloud conditions over the full-disk. The satellite had the capability to continuously monitor cataclysmic weather events such as hurricanes and typhoons, relay meteorological data from over 10,000 surface locations into a central processing center for incorporation into numerical weather prediction models, and to perform facsimile transmission of processed images and weather maps to WEFAX field stations. In addition, a Space Environment Monitor (SEM) and Data Collection System (DCS) similar to those on the NOAA polar orbiters were installed.

Satellite altimeter data from the GEOSAT (U.S. Navy Geosat radar altimeter satellite)
Mission, Global sea surface height anomalies along ground tracks.
The GEOdetic SATellite (GEOSAT) was a dedicated US Navy military oceanographic satellite consisting of a radar altimeter designed to obtain closely spaced, precise mapping of the earthīs geoid over the ocean.

The GEOSAT mission was originally managed by the Office of Naval Research (ONR). During the development phase, the program responsibility was transferred to the Naval Electronics Systems Command, now called the Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command (SPAWAR) in Washington, D.C. The Applied Physics Laboratory (APL) was the prime contractor for the spacecraft and radar altimeter and performed spacecraft command and control operations and collected the satellite data. The data was distributed to the Naval Surface Weapons Center (NSWC), the Naval Ocean Research and Development Activity (NORDA), and NOAA.

The basic structure of the GEOSAT is similar to the GEOS-3 satellite. The design consists of a conical structure below the core for the structural attachment of the velocity control system. The GEOSAT attitude control subsystem was designed to point the radar altimeter to within 1 degree of nadir 98 percent of the time. The system components were a 20-foot scissors boom with 100-pound end mass, redundant momentum wheels for roll and yaw stiffness, and pitch and roll attitude control thrusters. Attitude sensing was provided through the use of three digital sun-attitude detectors and a three-axis vector magnetometer. Spacecraft command was accomplished via a VHF uplink from the APL ground station. The telemetry subsystem consisted of two S-band transmitters, two tape recorders, and two encryption units. The GEOSAT was equipped with two Odetics dual-track high-density tape recorders that independently recorded the 10.205 kbps telemetry stream and played it back at 833 kbps for transmission to the ground. The GEOSAT also included redundant Doppler beacons for continuous tracking by a network of ground stations within the Defense Mapping Agency (DMA) and for a source of accurate timing to the radar altimeter and the telemetry subsystem. A C-band transponder was also included on GEOSAT.

GEOSAT was capable of detecting sea floor anomalies and topography.

Why would it be important to disable to ocean satellites?
Big T
12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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There is no such thing as skynet.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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Whatīs KENT gonna look at now?
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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unadulterated AB mark, here.
jcd
12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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are you another ID 10 T error? What on earth are you on? How could I possibly gain something by lying. Read the other posts and you get a full picture of a bigger story from several people. Do you really think we are all in league sending secret pmīs and emails just so I could post something about 2 satellites that hardly effect the "normal" population? They still get their tv so they are all happy. Move along now, nothing to see here.
Nerak
12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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īElectrical anomalyī kills Intelsat Americas 7
29 Nov 2004 - Intelsat, Ltd. said that its Intelsat Americas-7 satellite (f.k.a. Telstar 7) experienced a sudden and unexpected electrical distribution anomaly that caused the permanent loss of the spacecraft on 28 November 2004 at approximately 0730 UTC.
Nerak
12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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Good site for some info. [link to www.sat-index.com]
SMDC2
12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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No need to worry. Just a test firing. Space defence is tricky business.
Besides, it is insured and Americas 8 launches next month anyway.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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Itīs happening all over the world involving a lot of countries that you wonīt find in the controled media

This from MOSCOW;
A special commission formed to determine the cause of crash consists of representatives from RVSN, Rosaviakosmos and NPO Yuzhmash -- the Tsiklon 3 manufacturer. All Tsiklon-type boosters operations will be ceased until the commission makes a definite conclusion about the reasons for the failure.
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Given the dramatic impact of the PanAmSat satellite failure in May, itīs not surprising that Thursdayīs news of lost service in two Iridium satellites caused the companyīs shares to slide
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12/08/2005 10:18 AM
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Get Ready for Horrendous Fallouts from the SKY.

Effects of Failure of Israeli Satellite Test
DEBKAfile Special Report and Military Analysis - September 7, 2004




Israel’s 6th Ofek (Horizon) plummeted to a watery death in the Mediterranean Sea when it was test-fired Monday, September 6, from Palmahim. Malfunction of the third stage of the Israeli-designed Shavit booster was blamed for the loss of the $50m Ofek-6, the latest in the series of spy satellites developed by a consortium led by Israel Aircraft Industries. The first was launched in 1988. Number 5 has been orbiting 300 to 700 kilometers above earth every 90 minutes for two years out of a life span of five.

Satellites are the first layer of Israel’s shield against ballistic missiles, designed to spot incoming threats and alert defensive systems such as the Arrow II missile-killer. They are launched by the same Shavit rocket system as the Ofek. The latest malfunction occurred ten days after Arrow II failed to shoot down a dummy missile designed to perform similarly to the Iranian Shehab-3 intermediate missile in a test-firing off the California coast. The missile’s 1300-km range covers all of Israel as well as Turkey and Saudi Arabia.

These two failures are a grave setback to Israel’s deterrent ability at a dangerous juncture. In the next two-three years, Israel will need all its resources to face Iran’s advancing nuclear threat and burgeoning terrorist offensive. Ofek-6 was intended to give Israel an edge in this contest in three fields:

1. The use of two advanced surveillance satellites instead of one to simultaneously track the two fronts, nuclear and terrorist, Tehran has opened against Israel. One is a nuclear threat, from sites scattered across the Islamic republic; the second derives from proliferating terrorist bases spread out from Iran, Iraq and Syria to Lebanon (app. 879,730 square miles).

Together, the two satellites would have doubled the chances of spotting hostile movements.

The inadequacy of a single satellite in orbit became manifest in the past year when Iran clandestinely fanned its 15 known nuclear installations out across the country, over an area of 636,000 square miles. DEBKAfileīs military sources reveal some of their locations for the first time.

They are located in the south, at Fasa, Bushehr and Dakhovin, at the tip of the Shatt al-Arb waterway;

In central Iran, at Natanz, Saghand, Tabas, which is close to the Afghan border, Chalus and Neka on the southern shore of the Caspian Sea;

In the north, at Bonab and Tabriz.

The most remote sites have been sunk below ground in enormous bunkers, some of them decoys to deceive watchers in the sky.

Ofek-5, however efficient it may cannot alone cover this vast spread in time of war. On August 11, it joined the packs of American and Russian satellites tracking the Shehab-3 test firing. The Iranian missile’s new navigating system, smaller fins and improved warhead for entry to the earth’s atmosphere, designed for greater aerodynamic flexibility and longer range, was not an unmixed success. However, Ofek-5 without a partner was found to be incapable of gathering all the data Israeli intelligence needed to fully appreciate the intentions of Iran’s military leaders. This lack of a second satellite will be felt even more acutely when the Shehab-5, whose range is believed to be 2,500 km, comes to be tested soon.

2. There are intelligence reports that as part of its nuclear weapons program, Iran is also building a range of military satellites for launching by Shehab-5. Israel cannot afford to have a lone satellite cruising in the sky in 2005 or 2006 once the Iranians have placed theirs in orbit. From the military standpoint, Israeli is bound to assert space and missile - as well as nuclear - superiority over its enemies.

And another factor to be considered is this. Not only does Israel keep track of Iran’s weapons trials, Tehran is watching Israel just as closely.

Although their intelligence technology and access to US and Israeli testing sites are limited, the Iranians do not miss a single report on the deficiencies of the Arrow II and Ofek-6 and must have taken detailed stock of the holes in Israel’s defensive and intelligence shields.

3. Israel is obliged to guarantee its intelligence gathering ability in real time independently of US intelligence. The intelligence ties between Washington and Israel are extremely close but neither party is under any illusion that sharing is or can be total. For instance, the United States made a point of keeping Israel in the dark during its March 2003 invasion of Iraq.

In his war book, American Soldier, the Iraq and Afghanistan war commander, General Tommy Franks, admits frankly that he always found ways of indicating to his Arab and Muslim hosts on whose side he stood in the Israel-Arab conflict.

Mutual trust between the Americans and Israelis is certainly not enhanced by the almost daily “revelations” in the American media of fresh aspects of the alleged Israeli mole case casting Israeli diplomats and members of the pro-Israel lobby AIPAC in a dubious light. Officials in Jerusalem are certain that someone in US intelligence, past or present, is deliberately pumping these “revelations” to the press to keep the affair and the atmosphere of mutual suspicion alive.

Israeli defense and aviation industry chiefs are doing their best to play down the consecutive failures of the Arrow II and the Ofek-6 as mere technical glitches that will soon be cleared up. But they cannot hide the fact that Iran is racing forward at top speed with its development of a nuclear weapon and the means to deliver, while Israel is held back with only one eye in the sky and concern about the Arrow’s ability to intercept an incoming Iranian Shehab.

Both these deficiencies are within the power of Israel’s defense and aviation establishment to correct if they pull their socks up.
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Magnetic Flux in the atmosphere is now preventing them from even getting up there.

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