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Weather Channel Founder: Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’ | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 323979  United States11/09/2007 12:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 324004 United States11/09/2007 01:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I saw this yesterday, and I wondered a few things. 1. Is this man a climate scientist, or just some t.v. fellow that had a good idea that happened to relate to the weather? 2. Why does he not name names? If he is so certain of wrong doing, and knows of it first hand, why not say who did what? Does he only "think" he has it right, instead of having facts to back his statements up? 3. How does he get around the rapid climate changes going on? Strange weather, unusual high temps out of season, Arctic ice melting much faster than anyone predicted... 4. Was he paid money, or given a grant, by anyone, to say this? Does he earn money from it somehow? (Giving a motive to possibly give false information. Yes, this does work for both sides of the coin here, we need to know who is paying for what ALL the time.) But, without these questions answered, especially 1,2 and 4, I don't think we can do more as honest seekers of truth, than to put this is the "gray" basket. He indeed made the statements, but his statements may not even be worth the paper (or screen space) they take up. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 322692 United States11/09/2007 05:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I did some checking on this man... It seems that while he IS the originator of the idea for the weather channel, he is not the founder as claimed (Though, if you read what he wrote, he did not make that claim, so let's not blame him for that!) Landmark is the company that founded the Weather Channel. He was a Chicago Weather Reader, that was very popular, but as far as I can tell had no weather related degrees. So that makes his opinion less than totally "clean" as far as the article goes. It makes it look like he has special knowledge, when he seems in reality to have no more, maybe LESS information than you or I do on this topic! He is currently a T.V. weather man again, in Florida I believe. This does not make him evil, but it also does not make his writings "the word from on high". I'll keep checking... |
| The OP User ID: 323915  Bolivia11/09/2007 05:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 322250 United States11/09/2007 05:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm just trying to keep everything clear! The "RayBan blog" on the weather channel forecast earth site DID refer to John Coleman as "A Founder" but not THE founder of the Weather Channel. He departed in 1983. So, I don't think his words should influence anyone more than "Some guy". While it is possible, and at times even happens, that a person teaches themselves about a topic through self directed reading and research, you generally have to back this self discovered knowledge up with something. In this case he would need to site sources, name names and generally do a lot more than make a claim without any merit, which is pretty much what he did. *We generally accept that a professional in their field knows more about a topic than we do, which is why we give them greater weight on specific topics. On this topic, one climate scientists opinion outweighs thousands of "some guy said" opinions. Also, we need to watch for the "Old Guard" syndrome cropping up here. There are plenty of old men out there that have never researched the facts, have a forty year old degree and will gladly claim anything new is "hogwash!" This happens in every field of science almost every time something new comes up! |
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| guiding light User ID: 253307 United States11/09/2007 06:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | a scam? possibly. But my view is that it was a sudden implication to cover natural distasters that are going to happen more and more frequently to coincide with the pole shift. Now, whenever there are heatwaves or sudden downpours and more extreme events like tsunamis, media will put it down to global warming. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22334 United States11/09/2007 06:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As the temperature rises, polar ice cap melting, coastal flooding and super storm pattern all fail to occur as predicted everyone will come to realize we have been duped. Acid rain was just forgotten about. Nobody remembers they were duped. |
| guiding light User ID: 253307 United States11/09/2007 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 322250 United States11/09/2007 06:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As the temperature rises, polar ice cap melting, coastal flooding and super storm pattern all fail to occur as predicted everyone will come to realize we have been duped. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22334Acid rain was just forgotten about. Nobody remembers they were duped. A lot of those things above are happening right now, this year... And they are in trends. I suppose it can suddenly stop, sure, but it seems awfully coincidental that all of these climate change indicators are happening just when the climate "hoax" is going on, doesn't it? Remember, people have been working on this since the late seventies, and low and behold, here it is... How long will it have to happen, how bad will it have to get, before it seems real to you? When the poles melt totally? When The coastlines change? Never, no matter what happens? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 323867 United States11/09/2007 06:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have seen eminent scientists scoff at this global-warming-by-pollution scam. A single volcanic eruption can cause more greenhouse effect than all human pollution combined. Human pollution is a problem, no doubt about that, but that has got more to do with polluting the environment, the soil, water etc., but not so much the air as to cause a global warming. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 323477  Mexico11/09/2007 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Heh I FOUNDED WEATHER CHANNEL THAT MAKES ME KNOW WEATHER! Quoting: The OP 323915I should found a sex channel. Hi, I'm a multi millionaire politician ex VP, and a (not) wannnabe Prez who gave up the fight against fraud in Florida, which determined the elections. That makes me understand how low one needs to bend over in politics. How the hell I got the Noble for long term weather forecasting is anyones guess... But it sure is good for my biznesses... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 323477 Mexico11/09/2007 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Remember, people have been working on this since the late seventies, and low and behold, here it is... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 322250That's when they said we were entering another ice age. Remember? I guess not... How long will it have to happen, how bad will it have to get, before it seems real to you? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 322250When the poles melt totally? When The coastlines change? Never, no matter what happens? Assuming we are causing these events; assuming that the changes are occuring outside geologic time; assuming that no global climatic counter reaction will balance things out... Do you really beleive us humans can do a damn thing about it? I dont... We can clean up our drinking water, our polluted rivers and lakes; we can make the effort insure the viability of ecological habitats; we can recycle; we can clean the air around cities; we can promote alternative energy; we can agitate against energy wars... But changing global weather? Sorry, we need to focus on what our species can do, not exaggerate our importance, and not divert precious resources away from more realistic envirnmental pusuits... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 323477 Mexico11/09/2007 07:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Global temperatures are probably rising, I know for a fact that in the northern latitude where I live the climate has become warmer. BUT, that doesn't mean that it is caused by human activities. The climate of the earth is fluctuating all the time. There have been ice ages and warm periods, we are currently in one. Who is to blame for the ice ages, by the way?? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 323867I have seen eminent scientists scoff at this global-warming-by-pollution scam. A single volcanic eruption can cause more greenhouse effect than all human pollution combined. Human pollution is a problem, no doubt about that, but that has got more to do with polluting the environment, the soil, water etc., but not so much the air as to cause a global warming. agreed. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 323477 Mexico11/09/2007 07:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what is the benefit of this 'duping' though? Quoting: guiding light 253307Encouraging Joe Public to use energy more wisely, while the big corps don't change their ways? hmmmm Good question. The result of the scam is not to encourage "Joe Public to use energy wisely" but to create a market of carbon credits and liabilities. Some companies are strategically positioned to take advantage of this new and lucrative market. Do you believe selling and buying paper that represents your so called carbon foot print educates Joe Public?, Will it save the coastlines?, the ice caps? That is how you should formulate the question.... Yes or no, will suffice... |
| The OP User ID: 323915 Bolivia11/09/2007 07:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Heh I FOUNDED WEATHER CHANNEL THAT MAKES ME KNOW WEATHER! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 323477I should found a sex channel. Hi, I'm a multi millionaire politician ex VP, and a (not) wannnabe Prez who gave up the fight against fraud in Florida, which determined the elections. That makes me understand how low one needs to bend over in politics. How the hell I got the Noble for long term weather forecasting is anyones guess... But it sure is good for my biznesses... He didn't get the nobel for weather giberish or for science. He got the peace Nobel prize. A more accurate name for that nobel prize would be "politizians' Nobel prize" Now, you may like to fool yourself and just assume that just because Al Gore pushes it it must be wrong, the thing is that global warming was there and tons of scientists (actual scientists) knew so back in 10 years ago. |
| The OP User ID: 323915 Bolivia11/09/2007 07:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Global temperatures are probably rising, I know for a fact that in the northern latitude where I live the climate has become warmer. BUT, that doesn't mean that it is caused by human activities. The climate of the earth is fluctuating all the time. There have been ice ages and warm periods, we are currently in one. Who is to blame for the ice ages, by the way?? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 323867I have seen eminent scientists scoff at this global-warming-by-pollution scam. A single volcanic eruption can cause more greenhouse effect than all human pollution combined. Human pollution is a problem, no doubt about that, but that has got more to do with polluting the environment, the soil, water etc., but not so much the air as to cause a global warming. Nice pseudo science. [link to gristmill.grist.org] |
| The OP User ID: 323915 Bolivia11/09/2007 07:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Heh I FOUNDED WEATHER CHANNEL THAT MAKES ME KNOW WEATHER! Quoting: The OP 323915I should found a sex channel. Hi, I'm a multi millionaire politician ex VP, and a (not) wannnabe Prez who gave up the fight against fraud in Florida, which determined the elections. That makes me understand how low one needs to bend over in politics. How the hell I got the Noble for long term weather forecasting is anyones guess... But it sure is good for my biznesses... He didn't get the nobel for weather giberish or for science. He got the peace Nobel prize. A more accurate name for that nobel prize would be "politizians' Nobel prize" Now, you may like to fool yourself and just assume that just because Al Gore pushes it it must be wrong, the thing is that global warming was there and tons of scientists (actual scientists) knew so back in 10 years ago. I also dislike Al Gore, really. And I would say that he is mostly there as a disinfo agent just to make sure people don't take actual science seriously and false easier towards the pseudo science. But as much as I hate Gore, I am sorry but climate change is a fact, and there's simply a lot more evidence pointing out to ourselves being the cause rather than magic cycles, dragons or Jesus. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 323477 Mexico11/09/2007 08:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Heh I FOUNDED WEATHER CHANNEL THAT MAKES ME KNOW WEATHER! Quoting: The OP 323915I should found a sex channel. Hi, I'm a multi millionaire politician ex VP, and a (not) wannnabe Prez who gave up the fight against fraud in Florida, which determined the elections. That makes me understand how low one needs to bend over in politics. How the hell I got the Noble for long term weather forecasting is anyones guess... But it sure is good for my biznesses... ===== He didn't get the nobel for weather giberish or for science. He got the peace Nobel prize. A more accurate name for that nobel prize would be "politizians' Nobel prize" Now, you may like to fool yourself and just assume that just because Al Gore pushes it it must be wrong, the thing is that global warming was there and tons of scientists (actual scientists) knew so back in 10 years ago. I know OP. I was just reacting to the poster attacking the weatherman's credentials. If you arent aware of the sinister people supporting the fictitious "global warming isnt human caused" fan club, --- that they are actually pre-emminet scientists --- than you have NOT carefully studied the issue. Dont believe everything you hear from non scientists, in this highly politicixed debate. In fact its best not to consider it a political debate at all, but rather a scientific inquiry carefully weighing the probabilities, one way or the other... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 323477 Mexico11/09/2007 08:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to gristmill.grist.org] Have you read this blog? There is hardly a consensus among the "real" science bloggers, nor a clear definition of the pseudo science you graciously expect us to find,,, |
| IDW User ID: 324088 United Kingdom11/09/2007 08:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But global warming is a reality. It's cause is an increase in solar energy reaching the earth across a wide spectrum. The problem will worsten before it gets better, the next solar max will tell the tale! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 319296 United States11/09/2007 08:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Global temperatures are probably rising, I know for a fact that in the northern latitude where I live the climate has become warmer. BUT, that doesn't mean that it is caused by human activities. The climate of the earth is fluctuating all the time. There have been ice ages and warm periods, we are currently in one. Who is to blame for the ice ages, by the way?? Quoting: The OP 323915I have seen eminent scientists scoff at this global-warming-by-pollution scam. A single volcanic eruption can cause more greenhouse effect than all human pollution combined. Human pollution is a problem, no doubt about that, but that has got more to do with polluting the environment, the soil, water etc., but not so much the air as to cause a global warming. Nice pseudo science. [link to gristmill.grist.org] That Gristmill link is a good one! I am going to book mark it. Pro or con on Global Warming, you should look at, and read all the arguments. Look, just because there is a consensus of scientists, and there really is, I simply ASKED a good dozen at random... (Small sample size, but not one said anything but "Yes, my apparently simple friend, there is indeed Global Warming") *All right no one actually called me simple, but some really thought it was a stupid question, I could tell. But even if there is a consensus, there are some good questions brought up by the deniers. (I know Denier is a loaded term, but skeptic implies a bit of open mindedness, at least in theory...) A good question in my book: Global Warming is Real, but can we do anything about it? The answer: No one knows! It may be that we have to work on survival, and adaptation, rather than a fix. BUT, there is no need to make things worse! So we need to change and soon. Another good question: Is Al Gore the president of Global Warming? Answer: No, he was just willing to put his face forward and speak out, when no one of equal political clout would. He just said things that scientists had told him. He even got some stuff a little off! But he did not invent Global Warming any more than he invented Manbearpig! :) |
fërú.  User ID: 324105 Mexico11/09/2007 08:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Greatest Scam in History is 9/11/2001 "terrorist" attack You can not hide the sun with a finger. Global warming is a fact, but is not caused by humans parasites. There is global warming in Mars and Jupiter and we didn't do it. On the contrary if the gov and scientific community are talking now is because the situation is even worst of what they say. Enki was the real engineer of the human race. He was the Sumerian god of science, engineering, magic, strategy, music, and lovemaking |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 323477 Mexico11/09/2007 09:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am of the belief that there is above average, short term warming in certain regions, that cannot be proven beyond anecdotal evidence (and our models are woefully insufficient). Therefore we cannot percisely define it (global warming? what's that?) nor tell what's causing it (if anything), or if there is a significant trend above (or below) some non arbitrary unbiased base point. Furthermore, and even more obvious, since we are so incompetent about measuring and predicting the weather, we are definately unable to measure the impact of human activity at a regional or global scale, while just barely able to notice higher temperatures at our city airports and concrete jungles... So why bother? That said, get involved in the struggle (not carbon credits).. Act locally: clean up our water, recycle, better infrastructure, protect from human development our watersheds, our wildlife corridors, and do what we can to maintain biodiversity, etc.... |
| IDW User ID: 324088 United Kingdom11/09/2007 09:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Global warming = Solar energy intensification = solar system wide warming PERIOD! There is absolutely NO evidence that humans are the cause of global warming. You can't just say humans burn carbon and carbon dioxide from that is causing global warming. That is NONSCIENCE. And non sensical. In every warming period in the history of this planet, CO2 increased. Before humans were even close to evolving and having an impact. And ONE volcanic eruption releases more co2 into the atmosphere than ALL of humanities co2 contributions combined. Its rediculaous, and indicative of a politically controlled academia. |
