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Who are the Two Witnesses?

 
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Who are the Two Witnesses?

Porky & Dr. Valmorx.
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The bible speaks of two men who have not, as of yet, experienced a physical death. In other words, they have not paid the price for their sin - yet.

These two men are Enoch and Elijah.


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True, but what does that have to do with the two witnesses?




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Malachi promised that Elijah would return, it is sad he did not mention the other witness.



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Malachi told you that Elijah would return. Malachi did not say that Elijah would be one of the two witnesses, just that God would send him.



Elijah is with both witnesses. The witnesses are in the power and Spirit of Elijah.
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The two witnesses will come in the spirit and power of Moses and Elijah and they most certainly will not be Moses or Elijah or Enoch.
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John
The "beloved disciple," was brother to James the Great. The churches of Smyrna, Pergamos, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea, and Thyatira, were founded by him. From Ephesus he was ordered to be sent to Rome, where it is affirmed he was cast into a cauldron of boiling oil. He escaped by miracle, without injury. Domitian afterwards banished him to the Isle of Patmos, where he wrote the Book of Revelation. Nerva, the successor of Domitian, recalled him. He was the only apostle who escaped a violent death.

John was one of the sons of Zebedee (a fisherman of Galilee) and his mother's name was Salome (Salome is believed to be a sister of Jesus' mother, Mary). John, along with his brother (the apostle James) and the apostles Peter and his brother Andrew , were all partners in a fishing business prior to their call by Jesus to follow Him. Zebedee

was also a partner in the business.

It is said that John owned a home in Jerusalem and that it is possible that the interview Nicodemus had with Jesus was held there.

The apostle John rose to a position of influence within world-wide Christianity and shortly before the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AD, he moved to Ephesus. He became the pastor of the church in Ephesus and had a special relationship to other churches in the area, as we know from the letters to the Seven Churches in Asia, in the book of Revelation.

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In what year do you believe John was given the book of revelation by Jesus?

i believe it was after God had Israel trashed in 70 AD.
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KIng you are gonna win this thing if it kills you...LOL! And it just might with all this obviously brilliant competition.
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You've left the "n" off the end "Hofstee"

I wonder why?
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obviously its a secret sign to the illuminists...i obviously can't get anything past you...darn ;-)
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You misunderstood the question PNACtard,, the question was,, who are God's two witnesses of revelation 11.3.


If he had asked who are two of satan's witnesses, then your answer would have been correct.
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The two witnesses in Revelation 11 are a referencee to Zech. 4 that is a reference to Joshua and Zerrubbabel. One was the Priest and the other was the Ruler. John used this symbol of two lampstands and olive trees to symbolize all of God's witnesses since we all our priests and rulers in Christ. See Rev. 1.

It isn't a reference to simply just 2 people. It is a reference to all of us who are witnesses to Him who is the true Ruler and Priest!
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Personally, I expect Elijah as a witness to the first covenant and the Apostle John as witness to the new. Their function will be similar to Moses and Aaron.
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It isn't a reference to simply just 2 people. It is a reference to all of us who are witnesses to Him who is the true Ruler and Priest!
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3And I will give power to my

****** TWO witnesses *******,


and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth." 4These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth. 5If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. 6These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.
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Has anyone ever found the Grave of JOHN ?

Did he die?

Elijah and John ?


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About time someone woke up to the john bit.


Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy """"again"""" before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.


Again has been taken out of newer versions of the bible.


Elijah is the seventh angel by the way.
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There will be two individuals but there will also be two "companies". The two individuals will be the heads of these "two bodies" The first manifestation of these bodies will be the 7,000 that will come in the "Spirit and power of Elijah". They will prepare the way for the coming government of God, which will come in the "Spirit and power of Moses". This will be the 144,000. So it will be two indivduals and two companies.
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There will be two individuals but there will also be two "companies". The two individuals will be the heads of these "two bodies" The first manifestation of these bodies will be the 7,000 that will come in the "Spirit and power of Elijah". They will prepare the way for the coming government of God, which will come in the "Spirit and power of Moses". This will be the 144,000. So it will be two individuals and two companies.
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The two witnesses are not the head of anything. They answer to God and Jesus only. They work by themselves with Elijah to guide them.
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Has anyone ever found the Grave of JOHN ?

Did he die?

Elijah and John ?





About time someone woke up to the john bit.


Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy """"again"""" before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.


Again has been taken out of newer versions of the bible.


Elijah is the seventh angel by the way.
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Elijah is one of God's seven Spirits. Elijah is the Spirit prophets, the head prophet.
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Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy """"again"""" before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.


Again has been taken out of newer versions of the bible.






What do you think John was doing when he wrote revelation,,

Thou must prophesy """"again"""" before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
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There will be two individuals but there will also be two "companies". The two individuals will be the heads of these "two bodies" The first manifestation of these bodies will be the 7,000 that will come in the "Spirit and power of Elijah". They will prepare the way for the coming government of God, which will come in the "Spirit and power of Moses". This will be the 144,000. So it will be two individuals and two companies.


The two witnesses are not the head of anything. They answer to God and Jesus only. They work by themselves with Elijah to guide them.
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Being the head of these companies doesnt for one minute imply that these two angels would get their instructions from anyone but Immanuel the Head of All, who in turn gets His orders from the Father Himself. By heads I am saying that they are the ones who will receive instruction as it relates to these companies. they will be more out front and visible at first. Jesus has a corporate body, these two will as well. But all will receive all instruction, direction from ONE source, the Father. So relax a little. John the baptist was referred to as Elijah. Immanuel then said Elijah would come again. But it wasnt going to be the Elijah of the Old Testament. It would be a messenger that would come in his spirit and power.
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Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy """"again"""" before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.


Again has been taken out of newer versions of the bible.






What do you think John was doing when he wrote revelation,,

Thou must prophesy """"again"""" before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
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John the beloved shall return as well but he will not be one of the two witnesses. He has his own mission to fulfill as it relates to the Revelation of Immanuel.
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They will be more out front and visible at first.


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Do you REALLY believe that ANYONE would kill the two witnesses if they knew who they were?



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John the baptist was referred to as Elijah.


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John had the Spirit of Elijah in him/ with him. John was NOT Elijah.








Immanuel then said Elijah would come again. But it wasnt going to be the Elijah of the Old Testament. It would be a messenger that would come in his spirit and power.
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Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy """"again"""" before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.


Again has been taken out of newer versions of the bible.

What do you think John was doing when he wrote revelation,,

Thou must prophesy """"again"""" before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.


John the beloved shall return as well but he will not be one of the two witnesses. He has his own mission to fulfill as it relates to the Revelation of Immanuel.
 Quoting: Scott Hofstee


Is this in our near future (say, within the next year?) And will we recognize the witnesses (and John) for who they are, if we're trying to follow the Lord?
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Has anyone really had water flow from the heart???
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Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy """"again"""" before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.


Again has been taken out of newer versions of the bible.

What do you think John was doing when he wrote revelation,,

Thou must prophesy """"again"""" before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.


John the beloved shall return as well but he will not be one of the two witnesses. He has his own mission to fulfill as it relates to the Revelation of Immanuel.


Is this in our near future (say, within the next year?) And will we recognize the witnesses (and John) for who they are, if we're trying to follow the Lord?
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Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy """"again"""" before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

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The book of revelation is prophesy. i would guess that it has been translated into more than 100 languages.

Revelation has been read by billions since it was written. This would include,, many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

To my knowledge, John does not return in the times of the book of revelation.
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Is this in our near future (say, within the next year?) And will we recognize the witnesses (and John) for who they are, if we're trying to follow the Lord?

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Date: Mon Dec 03 2001 03:56
normandy revulsion (GOD shows his presence.) ID#385162:

i posted this on K1 on 3.12.2001. kitco community did not exist at this time


And i saw


Three strange clouds floated towards me from the East in train formation. Two spaces, equal to half the length of each cloud, separated the ( iceberg shaped ) clouds. They were snow white at the top and black as sin on the bottom. The top of each cloud was flat. The three clouds became stationary, maintaining their distance from each other. A white hollow half circle , outline maybe ten meters thick, rose from the top of the first cloud. IT then formed what appeared to be a sky blue stage as it neatly sat with the bottoms of the hollow half circle sitting on top of the snow white flat top of the leading cloud. Ten seconds later, in the center of the stage, a female face appeared. The face appeared made of stone. It had dept and perfect clarity. This face remained in the half circle for twenty seconds. Her face then dissolved and ten seconds later a male stone face appeared on the stage. His face had depth and absolute clarity as he displayed himself for twenty seconds. He then vaporized and ten seconds later, in exactly the same position a teenage female stone face appeared.


Date: Mon Dec 03 2001 03:58
normandy revulsion (Part two) ID#385162:


She lasted 20 seconds and then vaporized. Ten seconds later, a fourth face appeared. this one was female and also of stone.. This women had some form of helmet on. No markings on helmet. The helmet appeared metal and was cut as to expose her ears. The helmet exposed her ears, but covered forward of her ears as like long side burns. Twenty seconds later she vaporized. Ten seconds later a fifth face appeared. The fifth was a man. He was also made of a light bone coloured stone. All of the five faces appeared on the stage. None of the faces had any expression. There were no Halos or wings and they were not white.




Date: Mon Dec 03 2001 04:00
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Copyright 2001 normandy revulsion/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

Ten seconds later, in the dark bottom left hand corner of the leading cloud, a sixth face appeared. He was a dark bluish. Looked like a great warrior. He had an overabundance of thick curly hair. He looked more human than the five stone faces and for 2 seconds of the twenty that he was appearing to me, towards the end, he grinned at me. The seventh and last was a women. She appeared to the right of the warrior, 1 third across the lower portion of the leading cloud and a third of the way up in the lighter section but not as white as the stage outline. She also appeared to be made of flesh like the warrior, unlike the first five faces that had paraded before me on the stage. The seven faces were not of this era.




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After i saw this vision, i read revelation. i had heard of the seven Angels but did not know that God had seven Spirits or two witnesses.

i started to read revelation from the beginning. When i came to God's seven Spirits, i dismissed them as a possibility because i did not think that Spirits would be displayed as stone.

i continued to read revelation. When i reached the seven Angels i once again dismissed them as an option because there were no bowls, only one was white, none had halos and i did not think that Angels would be shown as stone.

i continued to read revelation to the end. Once there i realized that the only two possibilities were the seven Angels or the seven Spirits.


It took me a long time to work this out.

These seven faces were God’s seven Spirits.


This is my interpretation Only. Note, I am often wrong.

Jesus did not ask me to interpret the vision, but i thought about it every day.

The first stone face on the stage was God’s Spirit of War, and female.

The other four stone faces are the Spirits of the Elements, Earth, Fire, Wind and Water. I do not know which face represents which element or in which order they were displayed to me.


The woman in the cloud was Mother Mary and the Bluish gray coloured male in the cloud was Elijah..


God's witness of revelation. In the power and Spirit of Elijah.
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Elijah made me prophesy from the 3rd of December , 2000. At this time i did not know it was Elijah, i thought it was the Holy Spirit who had been with me from December 7th, 1992..... i took this as the start date of the 1,260 days as per revelation 11.3. Last week Elijah let me know i was wrong. i was really pissed on two levels...i was looking forward to going home and leaving this Satan infected Planet....and...i was upset with Elijah for withholding this information from me....God did the same thing to me when i was his witness. God showed me hundreds of miracles between 1992 and 1999 and let me know i was working for him., but God witheld from me the FACT that i was one of his two witnesses....Although Elijah made me prophesy many times from 3rd of December , 2000.....
The first posts Elijah made me write, Elijah made me place 311 above each of them, ( Each was humorous poetry ).....The last a few days before God shook the Us with an Earthquake that split the US supreme court building of Satan's masons, who in December 2000 bought the antichrist Bush into power with just a few votes.... This was how God expressed his anger. God did not kill anyone even though the earthquake shook many states of the US. i thought it was really funny that God split the supreme court of satan's masons, but not as funnny as watching the politicians heads rock backwards and forwards, especiallt hillaries.

Jesus said " i will cause ", i assumed that Jesus had sent the Holy spirit to me and caused me to prophesy. i told the TRUTH as i understood it at the time. i knew i did not write them. i had to read them a few times to understand what he was actually saying. Each one of the three posts were prophesy.

Jesus caused me prophesy from 3rd of December , 2001 when he caused me to write for the first time, and i saw, when Jesus displayed before me God's seven Spirits.....i placed that post in your Bible class...... ....The 1,260 days of my prophesy as per revelation 11.3,, commenced with the my testimony as to what i had seen, on the 3rd of December 2001.......the day Jesus caused me to write about it.......6 days after the vision....


Does not alter the Seals. The sixth seal will be broken on June 3 2004.



God judged the Earth from the 7th of December 1992 until late November 1999. When God gave me powers and the bad news at the end of his judgment...( i did not know at this time that i was God's witness, i just believed that God had called me on Monday the 7th of December, at 0747,.1992, and that had been working for God for the previous seven years ) i was on my knees praying. begging and pleading with God for more time......The witnesses pleas and prayers to Jesus put the sending of God's seven Spirits back 2years. God gave 2 years of grace..God sent his 7 Spirits at the 9 year mark.





i am semi literate and hate writing,,,why Jesus chose me..i will never understand....

i swear before God that what i have written is TRUTH.

God's witness Revelation
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On the 11th December,2001, i was talking to Jesus when a comet/shooting star (not exactly sure what it was) streaks across the sky from East to West. It had a redish orange long tail, and as it reached the western sky, lasted about 5 seconds, it burst into a massive fire ball.. That was God signaling to me, the opening of the first Seal by Jesus. 7 days later, on the 18th of December, 2001, God then let me know that he would burn New South wales starting on Christmas day. 7 days later, on Christmas day, New south wales began to burn, focusing first around Sydney, Sydney harbour was covered with smoke from the fires on the 26th of December, 2001, as the yachts set off for the Sydney to Hobart race,, It looked like a scene from the Apocalypse.. Over the following 14 days God burnt NSW virtually from border to border. The fires covered thousands of kilometers of NSW. God was not out to kill anyone, God was just revealing his anger to freakmasons controlled joke of a satan infected justice system, which God had judged during his seven years of judgment.

God used electrical storms, thousands upon thousands of lightning strikes without a single drop of rain. Elijah had been withholding their rain from December, 1999, so that they would be in drought condition for the period of my prophesy. They were in a severe drought by this time.

. God caused them to burn for exactly 14 days, at which time, God caused it to rain just enough to extinguish the fires. If God had not shown mercy at this time, NSW would still be burning today. At that time God still heard my pleas.


. God had given me powers in December 1999, to carry out his Judgment. i asked God for more time, i received an additional two years. Once God sent his Spirits, my time had expired. i did not realize this at the time and was still praying for you. God had shown me visions in 2000, and caused me to prophesy via Elijah from 3,12,2000. The second Seal was broken in June, 2002, the third seal on December 3,2002. The fourth Seal will be broken in June, 2003.
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My Apologies to Elton



Holy Moses, the sheep have been deceived

The anti christ he rules the US and Satan he smirks with glee

My distant brother from down the line

These dollar worshipers ain't my kind

Holy Moses, the Beast he does deceive




Holy Moses most of the World seeks peace

But Satans boys they bow before the numbers of the beast

So won't you please excuse my frankness

But it's prophet boy i be

Revelation, it's justice that God seeks.




Holy Moses God gave his only son

They nailed him up and let him die so Satan he could have fun

Now that they've all been incarnated

And will stand before the Judge

Revelation, now the time has come.



One of God's Witnesses of Revelation.
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"A true prophet does not have to read the bible to find out what is going to happen, he knows instinctively because of God."


The above was a stupid statement by a talmud muncher,,, this was my response. Ps,, just for the record, i am not a Prophet,,, i am a witness who prophescied.



During God's seven years of Judgement, ( Dec 1992 until Nov 1999 ) i was with God and the Holy Spirit ( now known to me as Elijah ) every day.. Not once did God or Elijah get me to open a Bible during these seven years..God and the Holy Spirit performed many miracles for me, God let me know that he would bring satan's boys to Justice. God judged seven judges over 7 years during his seven years of Judgment which commenced on Monday the 7th of December at 0747.
IF God had of got me to open a Bible during these seven years, i might have clicked that God was infact judging the Earth. i was not permitted to know. God gave me my powers in Dec 1999, Through Elijah made me withhold the rain so that they were drought conditions during my prophesy which commenced from 3,12,2000 via Elijah, and finally made Jesus display his seven Spirits in front of me in November of 2001.., then Jesus made me write about the sending of God's seven Spirits on the 3rd of december 2001, which commenced my 1,260 days of prophesy as per revelation 11.3.

Only after all this had happened did God permit me read Revelation. When i got to 11,3 DING DING DING DING,. i could finally see the big picture. Elijah had been with me for more than ten years before God revealed to me who he was in August of 2003. If i had of know it was Elijah i would have opened a Bible to find out who he was, as i had never heard of him... i had believed for more than a decade that Elijah was the Holy Spirit.. God does not lay it all out for you,, God only reveals to you that which you need to know to be able to carry out the tasks, that God gave me.


If God revealed every thing to Jesus when he was on Earth in the Flesh, Jesus would not have spent ten years studying in the East. God guides you,, BUT,, you have to do the work..
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Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy """"again"""" before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

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The book of revelation is prophesy. i would guess that it has been translated into more than 100 languages.

Revelation has been read by billions since it was written. This would include,, many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

To my knowledge, John does not return in the times of the book of revelation.
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Yes, John the beloved is in the book of the Revelation. Look at the beginning of chapter 11, it is he who is given a reed to measure the temple of God. And that is not some physical building in Jerusalem of anywhere else. It will be the people of God. He will appear just prior to the two "olive trees".
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Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy """"again"""" before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

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The book of revelation is prophesy. i would guess that it has been translated into more than 100 languages.

Revelation has been read by billions since it was written. This would include,, many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

To my knowledge, John does not return in the times of the book of revelation.


Yes, John the beloved is in the book of the Revelation. Look at the beginning of chapter 11, it is he who is given a reed to measure the temple of God. And that is not some physical building in Jerusalem of anywhere else. It will be the people of God. He will appear just prior to the two "olive trees".
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A couple of points here, first, The I 0f 11.1 and 11.2 are not the two witnesses, agreed.


The I could mean Jesus. Alternately, 11.1 and 2 do not belong there. No way it is John.

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