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Anonymous Coward User ID: 324507 United States 11/11/2007 09:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let the Games Begin! [link to www.tntt.org] NOVEMBER 11 ST. MARTIN OF TOURS This soldier saint lived in the fourth century. He joined the Roman army in Italy when he was only fifteen. Although his parents were pagans, he began to study the Christian religion. Those who study the Christian religion are called catechumens until they are baptized. One very cold winter day, Martin and his companions came upon a beggar at the gate of the city of Amiens. The man's only clothes were nothing but rags and he was shaking with cold. The other solders passed by him, but Martin felt that it was up to him to help the beggar. Having nothing with him, he drew his sword and cut his long cloak in half. Some laughed at his funny appearance as he gave one half to the beggar. Others felt ashamed of their own selfishness. That night, Jesus appeared to Martin. He was wearing the half of the cloak that Martin had given away. "Martin, still a catechumen, has covered me with this garment," Jesus said. Right after this wonderful event, St. Martin went to be baptized. A few years later, the saint left the army. He became a disciple of St. Hilary, the bishop of Poitiers, France. Because of his strong opposition to the Arian heretics in various cities, Martin had to go into exile. But he was happy to live in the wilderness with other monks. When the people of Tours asked for him as their bishop, he refused. The people would not give up, however. They got him to come to the city to visit a sick person. Once he was there, they took him to the church. As bishop of Tours, St. Martin did all he could to rid France of paganism. He prayed, he worked, he preached everywhere. Our Lord let Martin know when his death was near. As soon as his followers heard of it, they began to weep. They begged him not to leave them. So the saint prayed: "Lord, if your people need me yet, I will not refuse the work. Your will be done." He was still laboring for the Divine Master in a far-off part of his diocese when death finally came in 397. St. Martin's tomb became one of the most famous shrines in al of Europe. It is so easy to be concerned about our own interests. But, like Martin, we want to be aware of the needs of others too. We can ask St. martin to share with us his generosity. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 324641 United States 11/11/2007 09:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | LOL! I see the stupid competition of 11/11 has begun... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 324696After your post, that made gone with the wind seem like a short story, you win. i have never seen so many words used to say nothing. It was only long winded if you have trouble reading...don't feel bad its not a sin. ;-) |
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CUP User ID: 324507 United States 11/11/2007 10:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hmmm.... Woman with stars above head...what do you suppose is going on here? [link to www.youtube.com] 21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom. 22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. 23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father. The Lord said that it shall be "given" to those whom it is prepared of my Father. He wasn't saying that it wasn't available to someone. Just not to them. [link to brandautopsy.typepad.com] PLEASE DISCUSS AMOUNGST YOURSELVES! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 324826 United States 11/11/2007 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hmmm.... Quoting: CUP 324507Woman with stars above head...what do you suppose is going on here? [link to www.youtube.com] 21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom. 22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. 23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father. The Lord said that it shall be "given" to those whom it is prepared of my Father. He wasn't saying that it wasn't available to someone. Just not to them. [link to brandautopsy.typepad.com] PLEASE DISCUSS AMOUNGST YOURSELVES! they hate the woman with the 12 stars. they have been conditioned to. they hate Jesus's wife, they do not want the marriage to take place. thru all time they have tried to delete her. the whore that rides the beast has tried to replace her. but it will not be so. tho her body and soul is shredded from fighting the war, she prevails. her enemies will be confronted with kali, and there will be no mercy. |
Spirit of LIES User ID: 231442 United States 11/11/2007 11:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The wages of sin is death. if A + B = C and C - A = B then C - B must = A If all men have sinned and the wages of sin is death, then all men must (at some point) face death. The bible speaks of two men who have not, as of yet, experienced a physical death. In other words, they have not paid the price for their sin - yet. These two men are Enoch and Elijah. If God does not lie - and he does not, then these two men MUST, at some point, pay for their sinful nature through death. Moses died and his body was buried - he was 120 when he DIED. The olive trees are the same as the two lampstands and the bible is clear that these two things are: 1.) The Hebraic people, the children of Israel. 2.) The true church, those who believe in Jesus Christ. Enoch was a gentile, born before Jacob, who became Israel. Elijah was a jew and a prophet. Malachi promised that Elijah would return, it is sad he did not mention the other witness. God made a covenant with the jews Jesus made a covenant with the gentiles. These two are the two witnesses to the world of the glory of God. |
Daniel User ID: 324864 United Kingdom 11/11/2007 11:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Peace be with you x Firstly id like to thank you for posting this VERY useful information M'Lord secondly i'd like to offer up a veiled answer that to the spiritually adept will reveal much ;) "Parable of the arrow smeared thickly with poison: It is as if a man had been wounded by an arrow thickly smeared with poison, and his friends and kinsmen were to get a surgeon to heal him, and he were to say, I will not have this arrow pulled out until I know by what man I was wounded, whether he is of the warrior caste, or a brahmin, or of the agricultural, or the lowest caste. Or if he were to say, I will not have this arrow pulled out until I know of what name of family the man is -- or whether he is tall, or short or of middle height ... Before knowing all this, the man would die. Similarly, it is not on the view that the world is eternal, that it is finite, that body and soul are distinct, or that the Buddha exists after death that a religious life depends. Whether these views or their opposite are held, there is still rebirth, there is old age, there is death, and grief, lamentation, suffering, sorrow, and despair.... I have not spoken to these views because they do not conduce to an absence of passion, to tranquility, and Nirvana. And what have I explained? Suffering have I explained, the cause of suffering, the destruction of suffering, and the path that leads to the destruction of suffering have I explained. For this is useful." From The Seeker's Glossary of Buddhism, edited by Minh Thanh and P.D. Leigh Is there anything else you'd like to know? Daniel |
Joseph User ID: 291316 United States 11/11/2007 11:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Has anyone ever found the Grave of JOHN ? Did he die? Elijah and John ? You know what some of the people think, and you know what Jesus said. Now then there are many wittinesses, but GOD has TWO and they are to lay in the streets unburied, for 3 days. These therefore must be real men, and seeing that Our teachers , are often liars, we must then trust the Word, which God has preserved for these last days. I do not know, and I just think I am right. But clearly we who are alive when iy happens will know the truth, unless, I totally do not understand. But I stick to THE WORD ! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 324864 United Kingdom 11/11/2007 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | oh and all the sayings work on at least 3 levels the other two witnesses are your eyes and ears ;) the day you realise your eyes are connected to your heart what you have in your heart you see in this world your seeing yourself everywhere you go, good and bad you can only see in others whats inside you thats the eyes bit the ears are the other witness when you realise youve only ever spoken about yourself after all, your only seeing yourself in others so your only talking about yourself and only ever have all the good and bad your parents saw in you, was in them 'the sins of the father shall fall on the son' because currently everyone in the world is 'blind' they imagine they are seeing good and bad in others reality says they are just projecting their own heart want an example? a man cheats on his wife, from then on, his wife 'looks' like a bit of a cheat, like him, he isnt seeing his wifes character, hes veiwing his she cant see the cheat in him because she doesnt have it in her we only see others as we see ourselves if we want a world full of fantastic people, BE a fantastic person unfortunately for everyone this wou mean getting rid of the people around them who reinforce the lie that they are fantastic already thats poison peace be with you brother Daniel x |
Joseph User ID: 291316 United States 11/11/2007 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 21 23 This saying therefore went forth among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, that he should not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what [is that] to thee? 24 This is the disciple that beareth witness of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his witness is true. 25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself would not contain the books that should be written. Truly, I have never spent much time on this subject, but what I do know is, is that, What-ever, Main Stream, saids, is likely the wrong choice ! |
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Scott Hofstee (OP) User ID: 324641 United States 11/11/2007 12:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The two witnesses are the two angels that have been on the right and left of Immanuel from their beginning. Miykael and Gabriel. That is why they are depicted on the ark, their construction is out of olive trees and wrapped in gold. It has been their destiny as all those who preexisted with God and His son Immanuel, to come to earth and in doing so bring the heavenly government to earth. They must be born of a woman (born of water) as was Messiah, overcome this life, as did Messiah. It is a prerequisite to being given authority over people in the Kingdom. Messiah could not rule here on earth until he had been tried in all ways here on earth as those who He was sent to die for. |
Taojones User ID: 293989 United States 11/11/2007 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Moses and Elijah Quoting: Anonymous Coward 299617-- Apparently, the name "Los Angeles" is an abbreviated version of "El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles de Porciúncula", roughly translated as: "The Gaping Maw Feeding Upon Lost Souls and Giving Birth to Broken Dreams." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 253665 France 11/11/2007 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | was in church this morning. we've recently been going there to observe. so today we observed them as they pass the money basket which is done just prior to offering the holy communion. once the money is recieved which in earlier times was in the forms of coins. however in present time has been replaced much with checks and paper money. however in earlier times it was coins and this is a very important clue. so they pass the money basket while the priest prepares the holy communion. once the money is recieved they offer holy communion. the holy communion is circular like that of a coin and it is then given to the people. can you not see/feel/hear the signifigance to this and how judas who had the money bag and once betraying jesus those coins were thrown down. mary and jesus represent the two witnesses yet they are Truly one. jesus on the cross is displayed with a sunken abdomen. this is representing the gutting of the ghost within. interesting that mary was pregant with the holy spirit and jesus appears to be gutted. the depiction of the beard is really her blood soaked hair stuck to the face. so we do not take the offering of their holy communion. instead we pray for protection and shielding from the one true God who created us and loves us. praying for his will for us to be preserved and to continue guiding us according to that will and to please keep us whole and One. today we took the hand of the other and walked out. right hand held two fingers(index and middle finger) on the left and we walked out while they offered the holy communion to the masses. we hope they'll see/feel the Truth but it has to be their own need to deeply want to be closer to God. so we hope with compassion and love that they will somehow see/feel/hear in unison. we will be back again at church next week in the living vessel if it be according to God's will that we still be here at that time in the living vessel. all we have in the vessel is today and we pray to God to be useful in a compassionate loving way. today as all this was in our vision the priest was sweating a lot and had to keep wiping his face and forehead with a cloth. he kept making eye contact with us every so often but then seemed uncomfortable and would then look away. the church. what they feed can be bad fruit because they are not honest with that which they simulate upon feeding to all those people. the people like sheep go and take it and give that priest the job as mediator between them and God. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 287720 United States 11/11/2007 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Has anyone ever found the Grave of JOHN ? Quoting: Joseph 291316Did he die? Elijah and John ? You know what some of the people think, and you know what Jesus said. Now then there are many wittinesses, but GOD has TWO and they are to lay in the streets unburied, for 3 days. These therefore must be real men, and seeing that Our teachers , are often liars, we must then trust the Word, which God has preserved for these last days. I do not know, and I just think I am right. But clearly we who are alive when iy happens will know the truth, unless, I totally do not understand. But I stick to THE WORD ! History of Christian Martyrs to the First General Persecutions Under Nero Christ our Savior, in the Gospel of St. Matthew, hearing the confession of Simon Peter, who, first of all other, openly acknowledged Him to be the Son of God, and perceiving the secret hand of His Father therein, called him (alluding to his name) a rock, upon which rock He would build His Church so strong that the gates of hell should not prevail against it. In which words three things are to be noted: First, that Christ will have a Church in this world. Secondly, that the same Church should mightily be impugned, not only by the world, but also by the uttermost strength and powers of all hell. And, thirdly, that the same Church, notwithstanding the uttermost of the devil and all his malice, should continue. Which prophecy of Christ we see wonderfully to be verified, insomuch that the whole course of the Church to this day may seem nothing else but a verifying of the said prophecy. First, that Christ hath set up a Church, needeth no declaration. Secondly, what force of princes, kings, monarchs, governors, and rulers of this world, with their subjects, publicly and privately, with all their strength and cunning, have bent themselves against this Church! And, thirdly, how the said Church, all this notwithstanding, hath yet endured and holden its own! What storms and tempests it hath overpast, wondrous it is to behold: for the more evident declaration whereof, I have addressed this present history, to the end, first, that the wonderful works of God in His Church might appear to His glory; also that, the continuance and proceedings of the Church, from time to time, being set forth, more knowledge and experience may redound thereby, to the profit of the reader and edification of Christian faith. As it is not our business to enlarge upon our Savior's history, either before or after His crucifixion, we shall only find it necessary to remind our readers of the discomfiture of the Jews by His subsequent resurrection. Although one apostle had betrayed Him; although another had denied Him, under the solemn sanction of an oath; and although the rest had forsaken Him, unless we may except "the disciple who was known unto the high-priest"; the history of His resurrection gave a new direction to all their hearts, and, after the mission of the Holy Spirit, imparted new confidence to their minds. The powers with which they were endued emboldened them to proclaim His name, to the confusion of the Jewish rulers, and the astonishment of Gentile proselytes. St. Stephen St. Stephen suffered the next in order. His death was occasioned by the faithful manner in which he preached the Gospel to the betrayers and murderers of Christ. To such a degree of madness were they excited, that they cast him out of the city and stoned him to death. The time when he suffered is generally supposed to have been at the Passover which succeeded to that of our Lord's crucifixion, and to the era of his ascension, in the following spring. Upon this a great persecution was raised against all who professed their belief in Christ as the Messiah, or as a prophet. We are immediately told by St. Luke, that "there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem;" and that "they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles." About two thousand Christians, with Nicanor, one of the seven deacons, suffered martyrdom during the "persecution that arose about Stephen." James the Great The next martyr we meet with, according to St. Luke, in the History of the Apostles' Acts, was James the son of Zebedee, the elder brother of John, and a relative of our Lord; for his mother Salome was cousin-german to the Virgin Mary. It was not until ten years after the death of Stephen that the second martyrdom took place; for no sooner had Herod Agrippa been appointed governor of Judea, than, with a view to ingratiate himself with them, he raised a sharp persecution against the Christians, and determined to make an effectual blow, by striking at their leaders. The account given us by an eminent primitive writer, Clemens Alexandrinus, ought not to be overlooked; that, as James was led to the place of martyrdom, his accuser was brought to repent of his conduct by the apostle's extraordinary courage and undauntedness, and fell down at his feet to request his pardon, professing himself a Christian, and resolving that James should not receive the crown of martyrdom alone. Hence they were both beheaded at the same time. Thus did the first apostolic martyr cheerfully and resolutely receive that cup, which he had told our Savior he was ready to drink. Timon and Parmenas suffered martyrdom about the same time; the one at Philippi, and the other in Macedonia. These events took place A.D. 44. Philip Was born at Bethsaida, in Galilee and was first called by the name of "disciple." He labored diligently in Upper Asia, and suffered martyrdom at Heliopolis, in Phrygia. He was scourged, thrown into prison, and afterwards crucified, A.D. 54. Matthew Whose occupation was that of a toll-gatherer, was born at Nazareth. He wrote his gospel in Hebrew, which was afterwards translated into Greek by James the Less. The scene of his labors was Parthia, and Ethiopia, in which latter country he suffered martyrdom, being slain with a halberd in the city of Nadabah, A.D. 60. James the Less Is supposed by some to have been the brother of our Lord, by a former wife of Joseph. This is very doubtful, and accords too much with the Catholic superstition, that Mary never had any other children except our Savior. He was elected to the oversight of the churches of Jerusalem; and was the author of the Epistle ascribed to James in the sacred canon. At the age of ninety-four he was beat and stoned by the Jews; and finally had his brains dashed out with a fuller's club. Matthias Of whom less is known than of most of the other disciples, was elected to fill the vacant place of Judas. He was stoned at Jerusalem and then beheaded. Andrew Was the brother of Peter. He preached the gospel to many Asiatic nations; but on his arrival at Edessa he was taken and crucified on a cross, the two ends of which were fixed transversely in the ground. Hence the derivation of the term, St. Andrew's Cross. St. Mark Was born of Jewish parents of the tribe of Levi. He is supposed to have been converted to Christianity by Peter, whom he served as an amanuensis, and under whose inspection he wrote his Gospel in the Greek language. Mark was dragged to pieces by the people of Alexandria, at the great solemnity of Serapis their idol, ending his life under their merciless hands. Peter Among many other saints, the blessed apostle Peter was condemned to death, and crucified, as some do write, at Rome; albeit some others, and not without cause, do doubt thereof. Hegesippus saith that Nero sought matter against Peter to put him to death; which, when the people perceived, they entreated Peter with much ado that he would fly the city. Peter, through their importunity at length persuaded, prepared himself to avoid. But, coming to the gate, he saw the Lord Christ come to meet him, to whom he, worshipping, said, "Lord, whither dost Thou go?" To whom He answered and said, "I am come again to be crucified." By this, Peter, perceiving his suffering to be understood, returned into the city. Jerome saith that he was crucified, his head being down and his feet upward, himself so requiring, because he was (he said) unworthy to be crucified after the same form and manner as the Lord was. Paul Paul, the apostle, who before was called Saul, after his great travail and unspeakable labors in promoting the Gospel of Christ, suffered also in this first persecution under Nero. Abdias, declareth that under his execution Nero sent two of his esquires, Ferega and Parthemius, to bring him word of his death. They, coming to Paul instructing the people, desired him to pray for them, that they might believe; who told them that shortly after they should believe and be baptized at His sepulcher. This done, the soldiers came and led him out of the city to the place of execution, where he, after his prayers made, gave his neck to the sword. Jude The brother of James, was commonly called Thaddeus. He was crucified at Edessa, A.D. 72. Bartholomew Preached in several countries, and having translated the Gospel of Matthew into the language of India, he propagated it in that country. He was at length cruelly beaten and then crucified by the impatient idolaters. Thomas Called Didymus, preached the Gospel in Parthia and India, where exciting the rage of the pagan priests, he was martyred by being thrust through with a spear. Luke The evangelist, was the author of the Gospel which goes under his name. He traveled with Paul through various countries, and is supposed to have been hanged on an olive tree, by the idolatrous priests of Greece. Simon Surnamed Zelotes, preached the Gospel in Mauritania, Africa, and even in Britain, in which latter country he was crucified, A.D. 74. John The "beloved disciple," was brother to James the Great. The churches of Smyrna, Pergamos, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea, and Thyatira, were founded by him. From Ephesus he was ordered to be sent to Rome, where it is affirmed he was cast into a cauldron of boiling oil. He escaped by miracle, without injury. Domitian afterwards banished him to the Isle of Patmos, where he wrote the Book of Revelation. Nerva, the successor of Domitian, recalled him. He was the only apostle who escaped a violent death. John was one of the sons of Zebedee (a fisherman of Galilee) and his mother's name was Salome (Salome is believed to be a sister of Jesus' mother, Mary). John, along with his brother (the apostle James) and the apostles Peter and his brother Andrew , were all partners in a fishing business prior to their call by Jesus to follow Him. Zebedee was also a partner in the business. It is said that John owned a home in Jerusalem and that it is possible that the interview Nicodemus had with Jesus was held there. The apostle John rose to a position of influence within world-wide Christianity and shortly before the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AD, he moved to Ephesus. He became the pastor of the church in Ephesus and had a special relationship to other churches in the area, as we know from the letters to the Seven Churches in Asia, in the book of Revelation. John's brother, James, was the first of the apostles to die, where John, on the other hand, was the last. All of the apostles met a violent death, however, John died peacefully in Ephesus, at an advanced age, around the year 100 AD. There is a church tradition, which says, that while John was living in Ephesus, John had with him Mary, the mother of Jesus, for a few years. While in Ephesus, by order of the Roman emperor Domitian, John was exiled to an island called Patmos. In what is known as the cave of the Apocalypse (located on this island), the sacred text of the book of Revelation was given to the apostle John by Jesus (it is here that John recorded what is written in the New Testament book of Revelation.) Other New Testament books accredited to John are the Gospel of John, along with 1st, 2nd and 3rd John. When he was released from exile, he returned to Ephesus and lived till the time of the Roman emperor Trajan. It is said that John, "Founded and built churches throughout all Asia, and worn out by old age, died in the sixty-eight year after our Lord's passion and was buried near the same city (Ephesus)." There is a church tradition, which says, that when John was evidently an old man in Ephesus, he had to be carried to the church in the arms of his disciples. At these meetings, he was accustomed to say no more than, "Little children, love one another!" After a time, the disciples wearied at always hearing the same words, asked, "Master, why do you always say this?" "It is the Lord's command," was his reply. "And if this alone be done, it is enough!" There is, also, a tradition which says that John was in Rome for a time. Barnabas Was of Cyprus, but of Jewish descent, his death is supposed to have taken place about A.D. 73. And yet, notwithstanding all these continual persecutions and horrible punishments, the Church daily increased, deeply rooted in the doctrine of the apostles and of men apostolical, and watered plentously with the blood of saints. |
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