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A Fundamental Truth ?

 
Anonymous Coward
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11/11/2007 02:15 AM
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A Fundamental Truth ?
Many are mistakenly confused between a "Material Body" and the "Mind", as though both are the same.

[MIND IS NOT MATTER & MATTER NEVER-MIND]

Has it not been written all over the place, that at the higher realms (densities, dimensions, etc.), a DAY there can be the equivalent of YEARS in earthling's time perception scale ?

And at the highest levels (the formless realms), their "one day" may be million of years' equivalent on earth......Brahma's (or God or whatever) one beat (1 cycle )has been described as how long?

So, how can the so many self-proclaimed light-workers, wise masters, enlightened ones, ascended beings / aliens, channelled messages, etc.....here on GLP.......say that the "ascended" states = higher vibrations !, when the fundamental truth is exactly the opposite !? Do they not even understand this MOST BASIC of the way things are !?

At the "fine- material" realms, yes, their material bodies would vibrate at much higher frequencies.....but only their outer "vehicular body"....whilst their inner essence (mind or whatever you wish to call it)would be going towards ...???

Our computers today operate in the giga-hertz range, versus human's 20 to 30 hertz (cycles per second); will computers ever ascend to become "gods" or "ascended masters" ? (maybe to the dumbed-down sleeping masses, eh ?)
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Atrayu

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Re: A Fundamental Truth ?
Many are mistakenly confused between a "Material Body" and the "Mind", as though both are the same.

[MIND IS NOT MATTER & MATTER NEVER-MIND]

Has it not been written all over the place, that at the higher realms (densities, dimensions, etc.), a DAY there can be the equivalent of YEARS in earthling's time perception scale ?

And at the highest levels (the formless realms), their "one day" may be million of years' equivalent on earth......Brahma's (or God or whatever) one beat (1 cycle )has been described as how long?

So, how can the so many self-proclaimed light-workers, wise masters, enlightened ones, ascended beings / aliens, channelled messages, etc.....here on GLP.......say that the "ascended" states = higher vibrations !, when the fundamental truth is exactly the opposite !? Do they not even understand this MOST BASIC of the way things are !?

At the "fine- material" realms, yes, their material bodies would vibrate at much higher frequencies.....but only their outer "vehicular body"....whilst their inner essence (mind or whatever you wish to call it)would be going towards ...???

Our computers today operate in the giga-hertz range, versus human's 20 to 30 hertz (cycles per second); will computers ever ascend to become "gods" or "ascended
masters" ? (maybe to the dumbed-down sleeping masses, eh ?)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 324774


Time itself is an illusion. Consequently, to formulate any conclusion based upon it is irrelavant.

And whereas in this dimension there are five separate physical senses in addition to that sense of awareness which is referred to as the sixth sense - which is the consciousness-level awareness, in the higher-frequency dimensions (what you have described as "fine-material" realsms) one does not require nor are there physical senses. The ESSENCE of BEING itself is the Whole Sense of Awareness. There is no inner or outer. One body of energy which is awareness.
Not everything IS as it appears to Be
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I agree with Atrayu...time is but an illusion, as is space itself.

There is only the HERE & NOW.
'Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.' - Dr. Seuss
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11/11/2007 10:38 AM
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Current mod, Nancy Lieder (or the Zetas) care to comment or share your views about this or the "Zero point"?
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11/11/2007 10:41 AM
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Current mod, Nancy Lieder (or the Zetas) care to comment or share your views about this or the "Zero point"?
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Oops! Nancy just "ascended", lol.
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11/11/2007 10:48 AM
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Re: A Fundamental Truth ?
I agree with Atrayu...time is but an illusion, as is space itself.

There is only the HERE & NOW.
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth

We are not talking here about other "theories", but referring
to ALL those who have so loudly proclaimed that the higher densities = higher vibration frequency ! (Body or Mind, if they care to explain further ?)

In any event, one can proclaim any "theory" or simply recycle "garbage" proclaimed by others, without the tinniest of clue what the hell one is talking about !
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11/11/2007 10:51 AM
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Time is the illusion brought on by the senses. I must smell this flower then that, taste this food then that, hear this sound then that. It creates a sequence we call time.

Yet if I dream, I may experience weeks months years or lifetimes in just one nights sleep. The sequence is changed. Time is now measured differently because I am using a different sensory method.

IF one moves to other "levels" , "Dimensions", "ascensions", or what ever one wishes to call them, the sensory being used will dictate what we call time.
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11/11/2007 10:52 AM
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there are few who can handle the truth. there is such a web of deception on humanity, even when one thinks they are enlightened they have usually only fell deeper into the web. in religion, people willfully turn away from fundamental truths even tho they are there for all to see, because some human with a piece of paper given to them by a system they know is corrupt says they are a spiritual leader. and it just goes on and on in all ways of humans. it is distressing and disgusting to see. it's like some mad carnival, masks and masks, and words spun and re-spun..all the while spinning farther away from the truth, while thinking they are closer to it.
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there are few who can handle the truth. there is such a web of deception on humanity, even when one thinks they are enlightened they have usually only fell deeper into the web. in religion, people willfully turn away from fundamental truths even tho they are there for all to see, because some human with a piece of paper given to them by a system they know is corrupt says they are a spiritual leader. and it just goes on and on in all ways of humans. it is distressing and disgusting to see. it's like some mad carnival, masks and masks, and words spun and re-spun..all the while spinning farther away from the truth, while thinking they are closer to it.
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the simulacrum is true.
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Everything, every phenomenon is "Energy in Motion"; i.e. a vibration, a frequency......and that is exactly what separates the different realms, so to speak.
The differing "opinion" here is whether it tends towards the higher spectrum or down to the ultimate, the original uncreated state of Zero vibration, or near.
Atrayu

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11/11/2007 11:10 AM
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Everything, every phenomenon is "Energy in Motion"; i.e. a vibration, a frequency......and that is exactly what separates the different realms, so to speak.
The differing "opinion" here is whether it tends towards the higher spectrum or down to the ultimate, the original uncreated state of Zero vibration, or near.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 268961


Well, the higher the frequency, the more expanded the energy. Energy which vibrates at a lower frequency is more dense. The molecular structure of energy becomes more loosely structured or less dense as the energy accellerates in vibrational rate. And the vibrational rate increases with the expansion of awareness. And interdimensionally speaking, the expansion of energy or the accellerated frequency of it is the evolution of it.
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11/11/2007 11:28 AM
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Well, the higher the frequency, the more expanded the energy. Energy which vibrates at a lower frequency is more dense. The molecular structure of energy becomes more loosely structured or less dense as the energy accellerates in vibrational rate. And the vibrational rate increases with the expansion of awareness. And interdimensionally speaking, the expansion of energy or the accellerated frequency of it is the evolution of it.
 Quoting: Atrayu


You would be totally correct when referring to the "material bodies", but it is never a material body that ascends.
It is the "something else" (mind, essence, spirit, etc., depending on beliefs)that moves on to "occupy" another kind of form in another realm or dimension (different density).

It is this "inner mind" (let's call it this for simplicity's sake) that is the determining factor; that which can be developed whilst still here on earth in this density; and it is also this that eventually progresses to the formless realms (according to some beliefs).
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One final bit before I leave:

In fact, a correct & complete understanding of this very "Fundamental Truth" forms the basic ABC ground level, essential for any one embarking on a search for the "Truth".

With a thorough understanding of the underlying concepts, one will truly see how Zen and other meditation (or chanting, etc.) methods work. Whether based on concentration, absorption or direct realization methods, understanding this will truly open up new & speedier pathways.

Just food for thoughts for those not of a "conflicting" spiritual path.
Atrayu

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Well, the higher the frequency, the more expanded the energy. Energy which vibrates at a lower frequency is more dense. The molecular structure of energy becomes more loosely structured or less dense as the energy accellerates in vibrational rate. And the vibrational rate increases with the expansion of awareness. And interdimensionally speaking, the expansion of energy or the accellerated frequency of it is the evolution of it.


You would be totally correct when referring to the "material bodies", but it is never a material body that ascends.
It is the "something else" (mind, essence, spirit, etc., depending on beliefs)that moves on to "occupy" another kind of form in another realm or dimension (different density).

It is this "inner mind" (let's call it this for simplicity's sake) that is the determining factor; that which can be developed whilst still here on earth in this density; and it is also this that eventually progresses to the formless realms (according to some beliefs).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 268961


It is consciousness - having been defined as the soul. Essentially it is the life force. And consciousness does evolve interdimensionally or moves to a higher frequency of expression as it expands in awareness.
Not everything IS as it appears to Be
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11/11/2007 01:47 PM
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Anyone who has ever done "Absorption" meditation and has even reached one of the lower states variously known as DHYANA, JHANA or SAMADHI (which at the highest level is "a non-dualistic state of expanded consciousness, where time actually stands still...) will know the truth of what is being said here, by his / her own experiences alone.

These states, albeit temporary / transient, whilst in our dense material body, offer a glimpse into the "Supra-mundane" realms and through this process also, further knowledge / wisdom can be attained.

Scientific measurements have been made in the past, and the brain wave frequencies have been recorded at below 2 or even 1 hertz !

A picture is worth a thousand words, an action: a million pictures; and an actual experience of this sort ??? ...........no other action, pictures or words can compare!

Google search for more details, try it yourself before coming to any firm conclusion.
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Anyone who has ever done "Absorption" meditation and has even reached one of the lower states variously known as DHYANA, JHANA or SAMADHI (which at the highest level is "a non-dualistic state of expanded consciousness, where time actually stands still...) will know the truth of what is being said here, by his / her own experiences alone.

These states, albeit temporary / transient, whilst in our dense material body, offer a glimpse into the "Supra-mundane" realms and through this process also, further knowledge / wisdom can be attained.

Scientific measurements have been made in the past, and the brain wave frequencies have been recorded at below 2 or even 1 hertz !

A picture is worth a thousand words, an action: a million pictures; and an actual experience of this sort ??? ...........no other action, pictures or words can compare!

Google search for more details, try it yourself before coming to any firm conclusion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 268961


One small correction:
[.....where time actually stands still.....]sorry, that is the ultimate state where no one living at the present time, may have attained to. What one can experience however, is to remain in the certain state, and get out of it in say 20 hours or even days, totally recharged.

(Some past stories have instances of monks coming out of it many many years later to find that their body had been presumed dead & duly cremated long ago......lol).
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What the ancients called different worlds and dimensions we also call different dimensions. They are different planes of existence and dependent on your state of being consciousness, will depend on which plane you exist.

As Jesus said ' am in this world but not from this world'. In other words he was vibrating on a different plane of existence known as the Kingdom of God. However, that did not mean that he could not walk between the worlds of different consciousness. Many spiritual people are learning to walk between the worlds, and it is not easy.

Bearing in mind many spiritual people did not have to contend with 21st century life in ancient days. As we know in the past spiritual people separated themselves and lived in temples and caves etc.

Spiritual people today, have a lot more to navigate.

Lotus
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11/11/2007 02:54 PM
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I agree with Atrayu...time is but an illusion, as is space itself.

There is only the HERE & NOW.
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


Time is NOT an illusion. How long does it take to listen to the Minute Waltz? Is it 1 second or 60 seconds? Or any song for that matter? Music is proof that time is NOT an illusion. Music is just one proof that time is real and important.
Stan P.
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11/11/2007 03:05 PM
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The Desteni Universe web site gives some pretty interesting insights on how our minds were programmed to control us and keep us in slavery.

Were our lives pre-destined...?

Does our fear of death keep us in slavery...?



Best Wishes,
Stan P.

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