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Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes
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Cafe' latte'
User ID: 270862
 United States
11/11/2007 7:47 PM
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I plan to show this to several sites if anything comes of it. Thought you guys could use a conspiracy. A friend whose mom is a programmer sent it to me.
___________________________________________________________
Hey xxxxx,
I know how you love conspiracies. Here is an email that Mom discovered when she was cleaning the computer at the library. She claims the date sent was June of 05. If this is true, you may have one!!
-----Original Message-----
From: XXXXXXX
Sent: XXXXXXX
XXXXXXXX
13/06/2005
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Deep Impact will rendezvous with the comet TT on July 4, 2005. We will have five months to pour over the numbers. Hopefully, we will know the megatons needed for our last shot with Holmes. We plan to launch December 14th using a Boeing Delta 7920 with the launch name USA 193 (NROL-21) carrying the nuclear payload. As it stands, if we can launch before December 2007, we will have 9 months before intercept, and 16 months for the answer.
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The calculations for changing Holmes’ orbit should be in by late November as the impact will be approximately. a month earlier. We have XXXXXXX working on this even now. I wonder if the “impact” will be visible. The comet will be getting farther from the sun by then, so any explanation will be interesting.............
The meetings with ULA have been productive.
Please keep me up to date on the negotiations with the needed equipment..........
I sent this email to you using the library for anonymity. Please make no copies and continue the preparations.
Let’s hope for some fireworks this Independence Day.
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Regards,
XXXXXXXX |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 325047
 United Kingdom
11/11/2007 7:49 PM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
Get a screen shot of the actual message, dated and details blanked out.
If so, this is a weird one indeed. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 139190
United Kingdom
11/11/2007 7:49 PM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
"Sent from a library for anonymity"... yet they still manage to sign off "regards..." with their name.
Riiiiiiigghht...
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cafe'
User ID: 270862 (OP)
United States
11/11/2007 7:56 PM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
"Sent from a library for anonymity"... yet they still manage to sign off "regards..." with their name.
Riiiiiiigghht...
The email has only first names. There is alot more edited out. My friends mom blanked out all names and any thing that she could be sued over. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224770
United States
11/11/2007 8:02 PM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
Never mind the BS about the names... this is very interesting |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224770
United States
11/11/2007 8:17 PM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
Well I thought I would at least look at USA-193/NROL-21
USA-193/NROL-21 launched on December 13, 2006, at 2100 UTC (1600 EST) from the Western Test Range, Vandenberg AFB
NROL 21 is the cover-name for one-off classified satellite. Although nothing is known about the mission, the orbit hints for an experimental radar reconnaisance satellite.
A few weeks after launch reports emerged, that grond stations were unable to communicate with an expensive experimental U.S. spy satellite launched last year by the U.S. National Reconnaissance Office (NRO). Efforts were said to be continuing to reestablish communication with the classified satellite, which cost hundreds of millions of dollars, but "the prognosis is not great at this point," said the defense official, who asked not to be identified.
The official said the problems were substantial and involved multiple systems, adding that U.S. officials were working to reestablish contact with the satellite because of the importance of the new technology it was meant to test and demonstrate.
An other source said the satellite had been described to him as "a comprehensive failure."
In August 2007 the satellite has been declared a complete loss and will be allowed to decay from orbit. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 270862 (OP)
United States
11/11/2007 8:18 PM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
Here is what I have found about ULA. If this is what the email is refering to, it was a year too early. Probably a hoax but interesting indeed.
United Launch Alliance (ULA) is a joint venture between Boeing and Lockheed Martin that operates space launch systems using the Atlas V, Delta II, and Delta IV. ULA offers its launch services to U.S. government customers.[1] The joint venture officially began operations on December 1, 2006. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224770
United States
11/11/2007 8:18 PM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
Don't miss this part from last post
adding that U.S. officials were working to reestablish contact with the satellite because of the importance of the new technology it was meant to test and demonstrate. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 323197
United States
11/11/2007 8:20 PM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
Well I thought I would at least look at USA-193/NROL-21
USA-193/NROL-21 launched on December 13, 2006, at 2100 UTC (1600 EST) from the Western Test Range, Vandenberg AFB
NROL 21 is the cover-name for one-off classified satellite. Although nothing is known about the mission, the orbit hints for an experimental radar reconnaisance satellite.
A few weeks after launch reports emerged, that grond stations were unable to communicate with an expensive experimental U.S. spy satellite launched last year by the U.S. National Reconnaissance Office (NRO). Efforts were said to be continuing to reestablish communication with the classified satellite, which cost hundreds of millions of dollars, but "the prognosis is not great at this point," said the defense official, who asked not to be identified.
The official said the problems were substantial and involved multiple systems, adding that U.S. officials were working to reestablish contact with the satellite because of the importance of the new technology it was meant to test and demonstrate.
An other source said the satellite had been described to him as "a comprehensive failure."
In August 2007 the satellite has been declared a complete loss and will be allowed to decay from orbit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 224770
That would be the cover story if it was secertly being used to nuke Holmes. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 270862 (OP)
United States
11/11/2007 8:26 PM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
Well I thought I would at least look at USA-193/NROL-21
USA-193/NROL-21 launched on December 13, 2006, at 2100 UTC (1600 EST) from the Western Test Range, Vandenberg AFB
NROL 21 is the cover-name for one-off classified satellite. Although nothing is known about the mission, the orbit hints for an experimental radar reconnaisance satellite.
That would be the cover story if it was secertly being used to nuke Holmes. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 323197
The way I take it is that Holmes was practice for a Dec. 2007 launch for a late 08 impact hoping for a spring 09 miss? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 323821
United States
11/11/2007 8:29 PM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
As Jonathan McDowell points out in his Jonathan's Space Report:
[link to www.planet4589.org]
NROL-21
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The United Launch Alliance launched a Boeing Delta 7920 on Dec 14 carrying a secret National Reconnaissance Office payload. The payload was to be deployed into an initial 354 x 376 km x 58.5 deg orbit. IN CONTRAST TO MOST SECRET LAUNCHES, ANALYSTS APPEAR TO HAVE LITTLE CLUE AS TO WHAT THIS PAYLOAD MAY BE.
It has been given the cover name USA 193; it was on launch manifests as NRO launch 21 (NROL-21). |
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deepend 
User ID: 294892
United States
11/11/2007 8:33 PM
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What do you think? Comet TT is Comet Tempel 1? OK, folks we have a mystery. Let's get this figured out. This confirms the first half of the message.
[link to groups.google.com]
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:00:21 -0700
From: NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory <i...@jpl.nasa.gov>
To: "sondh...@panix.com" <sondh...@panix.com>
Subject: NASA's Deep Impact Craft Observes Major Comet 'Outburst'
MEDIA RELATIONS OFFICE
JET PROPULSION LABORATORY
CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION
PASADENA, CALIF. 91109 TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011
[link to www.jpl.nasa.gov]
DC Agle (818) 393-9011
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
Dolores Beasley (202) 358-1753
NASA Headquarters, Washington
Lee Tune (301) 405-4679
University of Maryland, College Park
News Release: 2005-104 June 28, 2005
NASA's Deep Impact Craft Observes Major Comet 'Outburst'
NASA's Deep Impact spacecraft observed a massive, short-lived outburst of ice or other
particles from comet Tempel 1 that temporarily expanded the size and reflectivity of the
cloud of dust and gas (coma) that surrounds the comet nucleus.
The outburst was detected as a dramatic brightening of the comet on June 22. It is the
second of two such events observed in the past two weeks. A smaller outburst also was
seen on June 14 by Deep Impact, the Hubble Space Telescope and by ground based
observers.
"This most recent outburst was six times larger than the one observed on June 14, but
the ejected material dissipated almost entirely within about a half day," said University
of Maryland College Park astronomer Michael A'Hearn, principal investigator for the
Deep Impact mission. A'Hearn noted that data from the spectrometer aboard the
spacecraft showed that during the June 22 outburst the amount of water vapor in the
coma doubled, while the amount of other gases, including carbon dioxide, increased
even more.
A movie of the cometary outburst is available on the Internet at
www.nasa.gov/deepimpact .
"Outbursts such as this may be a very common phenomenon on many comets, but they
are rarely observed in sufficient detail to understand them because it is normally so
difficult to obtain enough time on telescopes to discover such phenomena," A'Hearn
said. "We likely would have missed this exciting event, except that we are now getting
almost continuous coverage of the comet with the spacecraft's imaging and
spectroscopy instruments."
Deep Impact co-investigator Jessica Sunshine, with Science Applications International
Corporation, Chantilly, Va., agreed that observing such activity twice in two weeks
suggests outbursts are fairly common. "We must now consider them as a significant
part of the processing that occur on comets as they heat up when approaching the sun,"
she said.
Comet Tempel 1 is near perihelion, or the point in its orbit at which it is closest to the
Sun.
"This adds to the level of excitement as we come down to the final days before
encounter," said Rick Grammier, Deep Impact project manager at NASA's Jet
Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "But this comet outburst will require no
modification to mission plan and in no way affects spacecraft safety."
Deep Impact consists of a sub-compact-car-sized flyby spacecraft and an impactor
spacecraft about the size of a washing machine. The dual spacecraft carries three
imaging instruments, two on the flyby spacecraft and one on the impactor. A
spectrometer on the flyby spacecraft uses the same telescope as the flyby's high-
resolution imager.
The final prelude to impact will begin early on July 3, 24 hours before the 1:52 a.m.
EDT July 4th impact, when the flyby spacecraft releases the impactor into the path of
the comet. Like a copper penny pitched up into the air just in front of a speeding
tractor-trailer truck, the 820-pound impactor will be run down by the comet, colliding
with the nucleus at a closing speed of 23,000 miles per hour. Scientists expect the
impact to create a crater several hundred feet in size; ejecting ice, dust and gas from the
crater and revealing pristine material beneath. The impact will have no significant
affect on the orbit of Tempel 1, which poses no threat to Earth.
Nearby, Deep Impact's "flyby" spacecraft will use its medium and high resolution
imagers and infrared spectrometer to collect and send to Earth pictures and spectra of
the event. The Hubble and Spitzer Space Telescopes, the Chandra X-ray Observatory,
and large and small telescopes on Earth also will observe the impact and its aftermath.
The University of Maryland, College Park, conducts overall mission science for Deep
Impact that is a Discovery class NASA program. NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory
handles project management and mission operations. The spacecraft was built for
NASA by Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corporation, Boulder, Colo.
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To remove yourself from all mailings from NASA Jet Propulsion Labratory, please go to [link to www.kintera.org]
^^ gravity is a harsh reality. ^^ |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 270862 (OP)
United States
11/11/2007 8:43 PM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
As Jonathan McDowell points out in his Jonathan's Space Report:
[ link to www.planet4589.org]
NROL-21
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The United Launch Alliance launched a Boeing Delta 7920 on Dec 14 carrying a secret National Reconnaissance Office payload. The payload was to be deployed into an initial 354 x 376 km x 58.5 deg orbit. IN CONTRAST TO MOST SECRET LAUNCHES, ANALYSTS APPEAR TO HAVE LITTLE CLUE AS TO WHAT THIS PAYLOAD MAY BE.
It has been given the cover name USA 193; it was on launch manifests as NRO launch 21 (NROL-21).
Good find. The orbital data, if correct would mean that this was not shot at Holmes. Can this satellite be found to verify? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 270862 (OP)
United States
11/11/2007 9:22 PM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
The following orbital elements are taken from MPC 51822:
[link to cfa-www.harvard.edu]
17P/Holmes
Epoch 2007 May 20.0 TT = JDT 2454240.5
T 2007 May 4.4995 TT MPC
q 2.053169 (2000.0) P Q
n 0.1432508 Peri. 24.2585 +0.9756506 +0.1267918
a 3.617468 Node 326.8675 -0.2124462 +0.7491399
e 0.432429 Incl. 19.1132 +0.0545208 +0.6501640
P 6.88
From 139 observations 1964-2001, mean residual 0".7. Nongravitational
parameters A1 = +0.19, A2 = +0.0287.
Elements are also available for the current standard epoch:
17P/Holmes
Epoch 2007 Oct. 27.0 TT = JDT 2454400.5
T 2007 May 4.5277 TT MPC
q 2.053218 (2000.0) P Q
n 0.1431946 Peri. 24.2712 +0.9756707 +0.1266254
a 3.618414 Node 326.8646 -0.2123230 +0.7491869
e 0.432564 Incl. 19.1126 +0.0546417 +0.6501423
P 6.88 |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 249938
United States
11/11/2007 9:40 PM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
The first visual observations USA 193 (aka NROL-21 / 06057A / 26951) have been
reported by Russell Eberst:
[link to satobs.org]
Here is an excerpt:
SATOBS
2420 0612 0.211 1204
16
0605701 062446.08 101426+430403 2.4 2.4 0 S
0605701 062523.33 143057+553803 2.8 2.8 0 S
999
Note: 0605701: object assumed to be payload rather than part of delta rocket.
I agree with Russell's assumption that he observed the payload, because its
close to the planned orbit, and I expect that the rocket's inclination and
eccentricity to be quite a bit different due to its propellant depletion burn.
USA 193 0.0 0.0 0.0 4.8 v
1 29651U 06057A 06350.25405986 .00011325 00000-0 10000-3 0 03
2 29651 58.4865 114.2852 0013244 81.7541 278.5044 15.68046894 05
WRMS error = 0.026 deg
The orbit is inclined at 58.49 deg; its period is 91.83 min, its dimensions are
355 km x 373 km.
The ground track nearly repeats every 2 days (30.92 revs), enabling frequent
revisit of observational targets of interest. The first four Lacrosses behaved
similarly (28.9 revs in 2 days). Lacrosse 5 makes 43.05 revs in 3 days. Keyholes
nearly repeat every 4 days; NOSS every 4 days. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 249938
United States
11/11/2007 9:49 PM | |
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 249938
United States
11/11/2007 9:57 PM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
If this is a hoax, it's a clever one. If it is not a hoax, it would seem that the plan to split up Holmes has worked, but to what extent we may not know until 04/09. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 270862 (OP)
United States
11/11/2007 10:07 PM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 249938
Notice the similarities in the craft.
[link to en.wikipedia.org] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 324473
United States
11/11/2007 10:17 PM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
If it was moving away from the sun and nowhere near the earth's orbit why blow it up? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 232837
United States
11/11/2007 10:19 PM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
If it was moving away from the sun and nowhere near the earth's orbit why blow it up? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 324473
exactly |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 270862 (OP)
United States
11/11/2007 10:22 PM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
If it was moving away from the sun and nowhere near the earth's orbit why blow it up? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 324473
The way I understand is that Holmes was the last practice using a nuke before the "As it stands, if we can launch before December 2007, we will have 9 months before intercept, and 16 months for the answer." event. |
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FreeFlow
User ID: 51202
 Austria
11/12/2007 6:03 AM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
I was saying this from the start, the whole explosion looks like the Tempel thing, just a magnitude more spectacular with Holmes ...
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 115051
United Kingdom
11/12/2007 7:31 AM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
Fascinating thread. This sort of intrigue shows GLP at its best! Lots of good research being done on the satellite and the possible impact on Holmes.
It seems like a wild possibility but if we could impact Tempel-1 then we could build comet interceptors - a major achievement for our planetary defence! Perhaps TPTB don't want a rerun of 535AD:
[link to www.pbs.org]
Even if this is a hoax it's an intriguing speculation. The appearance of this email on GLP at just the right moment suggests that it wasn't found coincidentally. Maybe it was intercepted a while back to be released at a suitable point? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 115051
United Kingdom
11/12/2007 8:00 AM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
>>Hopefully, we will know the megatons needed for our last shot with Holmes. We plan to launch December 14th using a Boeing Delta 7920 with the launch name USA 193 (NROL-21) carrying the nuclear payload. As it stands, if we can launch before December 2007, we will have 9 months before intercept, and 16 months for the answer.<<
Just to check I'm reading this right: was Holmes the main target of the NROL launch or are they planning another launch before Dec 2007?
I.e. is Holmes the main threat or is there another comet they're aiming for? |
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stasis
User ID: 324095
United States
11/12/2007 8:02 AM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
Deep Impact will rendezvous with the comet TT on July 4, 2005. We will have five months to pour over the numbers. Hopefully, we will know the megatons needed for our last shot with Holmes. We plan to launch December 14th using a Boeing Delta 7920 with the launch name USA 193 (NROL-21) carrying the nuclear payload. As it stands, if we can launch before December 2007, we will have 9 months before intercept, and 16 months for the answer. Quoting: Cafe' latte' 270862
Why would it be the last shot with Holmes? In another 6.78 years it'll be back around again. Or would have, if they hadn't blowed it all up. Why did they feel like they had to do it this cycle?
edit: ah, I get it. One last practice shot before going after the real target.
You can't have a light without a dark to stick it in.
-- Arlo Guthrie
Your friend is the man who knows all about you, and still likes you.
-- Elbert Hubbard |
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Ebidah
User ID: 324201
United Kingdom
11/12/2007 8:35 AM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
Oh pleease lol this is nuts why on earth would anyone use a public computer to send a email like this and about such a subject if true at all the people involved work under a black out, no one says anything all communications are sent over secure networks not public computers. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 325322
United States
11/12/2007 8:52 AM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
and if this was even remotely true the purpose would be what? why do a lot of you think for some reason everything that happens has some sort of conspiracy behind it? sure it's fun, but i think some of you actually believe it.
the deep impact mission was made public. if they were going to do it again on a grander scale why would they try to hide it? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 235208
United Kingdom
11/12/2007 9:30 AM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 225190
United States
11/12/2007 10:09 AM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
Why blow it up?
Because they are out of control egomaniacs that's why!! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 324503
 Romania
11/12/2007 12:51 PM | | Re: Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes | Quote |
A friend whose mom is a programmer sent it to me.
___________________________________________________________
Hey xxxxx,
I know how you love conspiracies. Here is an email that Mom discovered when she was cleaning the computer at the library. Quoting: Cafe' latte' 270862
I found the ID of the secret agent that carelessly used a library PC to talk to Headquarters:
[link to technology.sympatico.msn.ca]
could someone embed that? LOL |
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deepend
User ID: 162926
United States
11/12/2007 12:52 PM
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Why blow it up?
Because they are out of control egomaniacs that's why!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 225190
Why blow it up? They are wondering if they can knock a comet off its orbit if it were heading to earth. Besides, how much more fun could you have than blowing up a snowball flying at incredible speeds with the largest weapon available to man? It does take the wind out of the sails though, so to speak.
^^ gravity is a harsh reality. ^^ |
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