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ALERT! World’s Largest Supercollider Could Destroy the Universe

 
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ALERT! World’s Largest Supercollider Could Destroy the Universe
[link to techfreep.com]

This machine is set to launch in May 2008

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

As the Cernier company prepares to test the world’s largest supercollider physicists express concern that too much is being left to chance.
The Cernier Company or CERN, the world’s largest physics research firm, is currently in the process of building what would be the world’s largest working supercollider. Known as “Large Hadron Collider,” or LHC, the device is 27 kilometers (16.7 miles) long and resides in a tunnel approximately 100 meters beneath the Franco-Swiss border, just outside of Geneva.
By accelerating protons toward each other at 99.999999% the speed of light the LHC can recreate conditions similar to those that resulted from the Big Bang, ultimately alighting a great deal about the particles and forces that comprise our Universe. A press release from CERN better illuminates their intent for the project:
…Our current understanding of the Universe is incomplete. We have seen that the theory we use, the Standard Model, leaves many unsolved questions. Among them, the reason why elementary particles have mass, and why are their masses different is the most perplexing one. It is remarkable that such a familiar concept is so poorly understood.
LHC functions by accelerating two counter-rotating beams of protons toward each other at high speeds. By cooling magnets to near absolute zero (-273 degrees celcius) with an enormous cryogenics system, the LHC can move particles toward each other at speeds only one millionth of a percent away from the speed of light.
And while Physicists have the logistics of the LHC well in hand ideas about its outcome are strictly theoretical. According to one scenario tiny black holes could be produced which hopefully would decay into what is known as Hawking radiation (the tinier the black hole, the faster it evaporates). If these black holes fail to decay, however, the consequences could be disasterous. CERN software developer Ran Livneh has expressed some concerns about the project:
This physical realm is unknown, and dangerous phenomena might arise…Any physicist will tell you that there is no way to prove that generated black holes will decay. The consequences of being mistaken are unfathomable. This subject deserves serious unbiased discussion.
Despite these theoretical discrepencies the LHC project will continue as scheduled toward its launch in 2007. Mankind has never progressed itself due to fear of the unknown. Although the results of the Large Hadron Collider could potentially be disasterous, the intellectual consequences of not conducting the experiment could be equally so.
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MAY!!!!


ahhhhhhh shit, but...... [link to www.indianajones.com]
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Please. don't flatter us that much. We are less then a speck of dust on the windshield of the galaxy, let alone the universe.
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Please. don't flatter us that much. We are less then a speck of dust on the windshield of the galaxy, let alone the universe.
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Yah you are right..maybe the machine will only take out Switzerland.
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They are powering it up NOW not in 2008
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They are powering it up NOW not in 2008
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"Repairing the broken magnet and reinforcing the eight identical copies used by LHC, in addition to a number of other small delays, caused a postponement of the planned November 26, 2007 startup date [17] to May 2008.[18]"

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Jenny Randles has documented in her book "Time Storms" reports from people living near a particle accelerator of anomalous events such as glowing lights, strange noises, energy fields, gravity-defying incidents and distortion in the flow of time and space.

People have reported electrical interference and car failure when experiments were taking place.
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WHOA!

doom
And now, the end is here
And so I face the final curtain
My friend, I'll say it clear
I'll state my case, of which I'm certain
I've lived a life that's full
I traveled each and ev'ry highway
And more, much more than this, I did it my way
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[link to www.pbs.org]
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Fear of the unknown is what has held real progress back for years. Lets hope LHC dosen't let the BS stop them from making history.

God humans are such cowards.
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I'd rather they not do this, guess I just have to go along with though, huh?
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Fear of the unknown is what has held real progress back for years. Lets hope LHC dosen't let the BS stop them from making history.

God humans are such cowards.
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I think it would be quite interesting to be around this thing when it launches.
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bump
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Didn't the "cave-people" in Russia
mention May '08?
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I bet they are going for Higgs..




"The Higgs boson, also known as the "God Particle", is a hypothetical massive scalar elementary particle predicted to exist by the Standard Model of particle physics. It is the only Standard Model particle not yet observed, but plays a key role in explaining the origins of the mass of other elementary particles, in particular the difference between the massless photon and the relatively heavy W and Z bosons."
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If memory serves...that Titor fella mentioned something about this....
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My old grandpa told me that they thought the horsless carriages would kill you if they went over 35 mph and I witnessed him avoiding color tv because he thought it would make him go blind. I wonder what he's doing in the other realms, probably going the speed of light.
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This physical realm is unknown, and dangerous phenomena might arise…Any physicist will tell you that there is no way to prove that generated black holes will decay. The consequences of being mistaken are unfathomable. This subject deserves serious unbiased discussion.


Yah. How about seriously forgetting it. Too many destructive toys without the wisdom to use them.
Not everything IS as it appears to Be
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Didn't the "cave-people" in Russia
mention May '08?
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That was my first thought when I read this !

That the software engineer was unhappy with some of the results speaks volumes !

As for black holes being produced.. where black holes are, a white hole must also be made some where, some place... EEEEK !1! Real doom scenario here.
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Indeed. lol

Imagine what we will know tomorrow.

My old grandpa told me that they thought the horsless carriages would kill you if they went over 35 mph and I witnessed him avoiding color tv because he thought it would make him go blind. I wonder what he's doing in the other realms, probably going the speed of light.
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I bet they are going for Higgs..




"The Higgs boson, also known as the "God Particle", is a hypothetical massive scalar elementary particle predicted to exist by the Standard Model of particle physics. It is the only Standard Model particle not yet observed, but plays a key role in explaining the origins of the mass of other elementary particles, in particular the difference between the massless photon and the relatively heavy W and Z bosons."
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Kind of .. if we tell you, then we'll have to take you out scenario . . perfect evolutionary particle physics afterall . .
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[link to www.newsindia.com]

Here is what they're worried about, that particle, the theoretical one? It IS already faster than the associated particles, so it's pushed past the present reality into who knows? Guess we're gonna find out ..

If you can trace tachyons, you can trace the advanced extraterrestrial civilizations, UFOs and paranormal phenomena
India Daily Technology Team
Nov. 13, 2007





Tachyons are theoretical particles that always travel faster than light. Some old fashioned physicists call it imagination. Open-minded scientists have started getting into the realm of tachyons. After hundred years we may be in a position to rewrite the fundamental physics.

The governing equation that relates mass to speed in the special theory of relativity:

m = m0 / SQR(1 - v^2/c^2)

where m = energy divided by c squared or c^2 (sometimes called "relativistic mass")

m0 = rest mass

v = velocity of mass relative to you

c = velocity of light (constant in all frames of reference)

If you plot v/c vs. m/m0, you get :

v/c m/m0
0.0 1.000
.2 1.021
.4 1.091
.6 1.250
.8 1.667
.9 2.294
.95 3.203
.99 7.089
.995 10.013
.999 22.366
1.000 infinity

Einstein and others to conclude that it was impossible for any material object to travel at or beyond the speed of light. Because as you increase speed mass increases. With increased mass, there's a requirement for increased energy to accelerate the mass.

But what happens if you are already in speed that exceeds that of light?

Thenthe equation above would give you an imaginary mass, since v^2 / c^2 would be greater than 1 and that would be subtracted from 1 to produce a negative number. Then you''d take the square root of the negative number and end up with an imaginary number.

So normal material speeding at a speed higher than light has imaginary mass.

Imaginary mass traveling faster than the speed of light would show up as regular mass to an observer at rest. v/c m/m0 (m/m0)*I

infinity 0+0.000i 0.000
1,000 0-0.001i 0.001
100 0-0.010i 0.010
10 0-0.101i 0.101
8 0-0.126i 0.126
6 0-0.169i 0.169
4 0-0.258i 0.258
2 0-0.577i 0.577
1.5 0-1.118i 1.118
1.1 0-2.182i 2.182
1.05 0-3.123i 3.123
1.01 0-7.053i 7.053
1.000 0-inf*i infinity
So, the imaginary mass, would look like normal mass but it would always travel *faster* than c, the speed of light. When it lost energy it would move faster. When it gained energy it would move slower. So tachyons are there.

The biggest dilemma is that our terrestrial civilization cannot see or perceive the higher dimensions. That is where exotic materials, dark matter, tachyons, imaginary mass exist. If you can trace tachyons, you can trace the advanced extraterrestrial civilizations, UFOs and paranormal phenomena
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This is interesting stuff. I'm looking forward to seeing what comes from the LHC at CERN. I think death by black hole has to be second only to being vaporized by a nuke, so even the worst case scenario is pretty cool!

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shove all the scientists into their supercollider and point them towards a black hole and let them fly! make it so number one!
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dunno why, but the word "CERN" gives me some kind of very negative and very bad feeling...can't describe it.
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shove all the scientists into their supercollider and point them towards a black hole and let them fly! make it so number one!
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THE DOOM

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Well...one can only hope....
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I dont know what happened, but it was supposed to go online as they call it, November 6th.
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So do dreams have mass?
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Well...one can only hope....
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Such optimism.

I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell ya.
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The speed of light is different than it's in our atmosphere. Light isn't light until it's obstructed and splits into electrons. That throws the entire experiment out of the window in my opinion because there are different physic equations at work in space than with in our atmoshpere.

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