Notes from an "alternate universe": The Revelation of the Real World

Now imagine that, say, half of the elites who administer things agree with you that the system should try to 'fix' the Public's choices while the other half thinks that the Public should just be allowed to choose what they will, as long as it isn't too destructive.

Either way leads to a big mess of things.


Now, whoever comes up with the most effective systems.

In future, perhaps so-called AI, but that will just create more problems than it solves, as advanced technology does by default.


Would not 'educating' others on the topic constitute propaganda? Perhaps a bit of authoritarianism? It would be harm according to you or your agenda to 'educate' the population in a way that you believe is right.

It's a tricky problem, to be sure.

You don’t have to reply to my post that’s next in the queue. This looks like it sums it up.

I have a good relationship with food personally. Eating healthy whole foods. Unadulterated. I tend to look out to the big picture and want to change it for the betterment of the masses.

Again, my focus should be local and have it unfold from there. You can’t change others, only yourself.

It’s my bleeding heart :)

Yes (teehee)


In my calculus, it's too controversial and there's no benefit to knowing the information. But perhaps I am mistaken.

Do you see the irony of your statement, "...want to change it for the betterment of the masses"?

Could we reasonably assume that it is the kind of thinking that resulted in the clusterfribble we are discussing?

Lots of small changes over time, by both everyday people and the Elite. But mostly by everyday people because the population is 6x larger and, in my opinion, is more self-destructive.


How does <<You can’t change others, only yourself.>> resolve with the previous statement?

Now imagine if you had the power to change things "for the betterment of the masses" or at least what you think is for their betterment... would you?

Is it possible that you are projecting your fears about an Elite population based on your own innermost desires about society and how you experience it?

Last Edited by The Builder on 03/22/2024 01:31 PM

Sure you can look at it like that but then educating people about anything could be considered propaganda. Authoritarianism. Don’t we need an educated populace on some level so we don’t devolve as a society into whatever? Educating someone on what these substances are and what they do - that’s just the facts of the matter. What they do with the information is up to them.

Tricky, indeed.

I was talking about changing the system in specific ways. Like outlawing the use of especially problematic chemicals found in products. Take Roundup for example. That shi7 should be banned. A step towards the betterment for all.

I was talking about looking out and changing the system, not people.

Does change only come to the system through change of the people?

Grrrr

I’d like to think that there are a few things we could almost all agree on to tweak the system more in a direction of health. But, if I was that powerful, you can bet I’d probably have a different understanding of what to do. And not to do.

Would you re-word your last question? I’m not quite sure I’m following.

Informative video.

Deceivers teach us to love the truth.

It's not so good for them though.

Think of them as doing us a favor when we don't believe them.

Or, perhaps, developing a culture of self-directed inquiry and critical thinking where people can think and discover things for themselves.

There is no need to educate people on something when people can educate themselves. That is real education. It used to be something you get from home ("child rearing"). Now it is something you expect to get from government.

Self-authority > artificial authority

Much of it is propaganda, often engineered for economic reasons. Why would Roundup get so much attention and not other chemicals? Could it be more about, for example, Bayer spending $20 million to harm the intellectual property of Monsanto so that it could buy Monsanto for tens of billions of $ cheaper and use the same product under another name?

There are many chemicals and substances that could be put into such a list. I assure you that sugar does far more damage to the human body and spirit than Roundup ever could in current levels of absorption.

But how about we take it a step further and ban all harmful chemicals and products. Why stop at only those that get the worst press?

How long would such a list be? The result would be that grocery store shelves would be EMPTY and people would starve.

But why stop at food? EMFs and radiation cause more harm to the human body than roundup. Hundreds of millions of people a year get sick from it and millions of people die. 'Telegraph sickness' has not gone away. It is also the cause of extreme societal harm in all generations. Suicide among young adults is through the roof.

You would have to 'ban' the entire modern world.

Or, we can do what we have all ways done. Adapt. Just as our bodies have adapted to the poisons from the devices that we use. We still get sick and some of us die from it, but we prefer to ignore it because it's worth it, in a sick kind of way.

The problem is not the chemicals it's our choices which necessitate the use of such chemicals, processes, additives, toxins, frequencies, and so on in the first place.

Ban Roundup or something else and something new would come along. It would only make things worse, not better, because we would be (and are) ignoring the underlying problem.

I was lying here thinking, drifting off to sleep when I had a thought.

When I asked you about do you subscribe to the food system and you replied, not to my interpretation of the food system - That’s obvious. The intention of the question was more about your relationship to your food and products that you ingest.

But in some of your replies you make it sound like it doesn’t really matter whether there are toxins in the food (“we adapt”). That it’s more about a clean pineal, a clear sense. Don’t many of the toxins in food products disrupt the endocrine system? How can the two not be related? Sometimes the human body adapts by growing cancers.

<<It doesn't matter so much what you put into your body when you determine what your interpretation is.>> what do you mean by this?

As much as I have talked about this, when it comes to food and body product choices I have made for myself and my family - I stand by them. They make good sense to me.

I can’t help that I find the sheer number of chemicals being used everywhere, unacceptable.

I pray I wake up one day to a new interpretation where they are no longer relevant in the same way.

We are both talking about the same thing.

By changing systems that people use you would be changing how they live, think, interact with others, and so on.

Just about any change to a population can be made by changing the systems that they use.


Neither of us was talking about changing people. I referenced changing things, as I think you were doing :)

But perhaps the result is the same, as it is changing people indirectly just as we have changed ourselves and our societies by changing the systems we use.


Perhaps things are the way they are because we are not sure what to do, and people do not agree.

There are a lot of people that don't mind harming themselves in some way, to some degree... and therefore likely would not mind if others were harmed in the same way.

What would 1 tweak be that you would make?


You seem to be more in favour of making changes to systems (based on what you think is right) rather than allowing people to choose for themselves, if I'm reading it right.

But this method, we could say, is what you seem to think the Elite are doing to populations.

If a certain part of you feels like people are victims under the control of supposed Elites when it comes to things like the food industry, is it possible that it is a projection of your feelings that you want to control how others live?

(You might cringe when you read '...you want to control how others live...' but if you feel that you would want to change the food industry for the betterment of the masses, would it not be the same thing?)

To illustrate:

You: "I want to ban all harmful chemicals in foods."
(Result: Many hundreds of millions would die from starvation from the lack of food preservation, freshness, and much shorter shelf life of food products.)

The Elite: "This chemical that I can add to the food my business makes is harmful, but if most people no longer have access to farms because of the lifestyles they and their parents chose (thinking that they have no choice) then I don't see any other option. They say they want to be healthy but they choose to buy and eat food that isn't good for them. Many of them also eat unhealthily, do drugs, smoke, and don't care what their body is eating through their skin, so they probably don't want to be that healthy anyway."
(Result: Billions will be able to eat something, including the billions yet to be born.)

Deceivers should, instead, teach that truth cannot be known directly.

But it seems that they teach that things are exactly how people think they are. Then they can just focus on the deception rather than having to actually use their brains.

I was just saying that I don't see the food system as being harmful overall, as people have options. The harm comes from the choices we consciously make, I think. (e.g., most of us seem to choose to ingest products that cause harm).

Besides that, a great many of the "healthy" options food-wise are not actually so. Sometimes, the so-called junk food would be the better choice.


It does not matter so much because we have a choice. As long as we are able to choose products that cause less harm to, say, someone that does not think about it, then there being other products that do cause harm is less important.

I would think a cancer would signify that the body is unable to adapt in some important ways.


The health of the body begins with the mind because the body itself begins with the mind.

Have the intent to be healthy in multiple ways, not just some select ways, as our interpretation of reality comes about all-at-once.

When your mind is healthy then your choices will be healthy.

If we think that reality is something external that happens to us, then this would likely not make any sense.


The chemicals are manifestations of the Chaos that we choose with the kind of world we prefer. It isn't just a food thing. The way we want to live is toxic.

For example, if people care about chemicals in foods that may promote an unhealthy body but at the same time ignore the toxins from wi-fi and mobile phones that they use for 2-8 hours a day (or even sleep next to) that may also promote the same, they would probably not be interpreting their health in the way that they want.

We could start with limiting processed sugars of all types. Perhaps by putting a cap on the amount allowed per serving.

If you look at a list of some of the most popular cereals, you are getting about your daily recommended sugar in a bowl.

Drinking a can of soda - about your daily recommendation in this alone.

Going to Starbucks for a fancy drink, forget about it.

But I have to say, as I type this out, I can see how that ‘tweak’ probably wouldn’t go over well at all. Like it would be dead in the water. Never getting out of the gate. Between people’s tastes for it and the sugar industry lobby.

You made your point!!!



Thanks for this. It clarified some things for me.

How do people that constantly make ‘unhealthy’ decisions begin to have a clear enough mind to disrupt the cycle - and begin to make healthy choices? Which comes first, the chicken or the egg?

It’s funny. I woke up this morning with a dream fresh on my mind. I was with a circle of my dearest and they were all upset with me for talking to you about these things. Like, “we know what you’ve been up to. Why are you even talking to him? We thought you were on our side” or some such. They were in a way shunning me which I found very interesting. I tried to communicate the importance of having the conversation. Bridging the two. They were having none of it. Except my closest guy friend - by the end of it, he was opening to the idea. And willing to entertain it.

There I was, defending the Elite’s position.

I found it telling. The resistance was strong, even in the dream :)

It made me smile.

And so the trouble would begin there..." We could star with limiting..."

Anyone could do that today, or have done that yesterday, if they wanted.

But I think you're talking about using force. That's the tricky part. When people lose their sense of self-governance they call upon others to govern on their behalf AND call upon them to apply force to get others to do things their way.

The Elite does not want that. The Public wants that, and demands that it be done. Imagine our two positions at scale, as large as a population.

You're saying that the toxins in the food supply seem deliberately placed there. It isn't. The Public demand the toxins to be there, both directly and indirectly through their choices. If they want the chemicals in the food supply to disappear, stop demanding the modern world.

To take a simple example, people demand smartphones. They can't get enough. Both Public and Elite are addicted. 99.9% of the people demanding smartphones are not the administrators of society. The amount of toxins required to make just one smartphone is astounding. I don't think it has ever been properly measured. That's not including the continuous, harmful radiation they produce and their effect on the body and brain.

Should the government limit this, also? Or, considering the extreme harm they are doing to society, how about we ban them altogether? You see, there is no end to this authoritative kind of method of government.

And in all of that... people would still continue to think that it is the Elite who want that and are doing that to an innocent Public.

So.. what basic options are we left with?

1) Force people to make the choices you think are the right choices, via systems, laws, regulations, and so on.

2) Allow people to make their own choices even when they are harmful. Facilitate their choices and administer them while trying to open their eyes to the bigger picture. Make sure that they do not press to institute mechanisms to destroy society altogether, even if it involves complex deceptions. (We are there now, I think.)

The Elite lean towards 2. The Public lean towards 1, since they lean toward communism (a ideological system of self-annihilation) to remove their own authority and agency from reality, which is the result of choosing technologies that diminish the pineal gland function (Christ, the sense of self).

The generally Rh-positive Public (which also includes the Rh-negative Elites) rely on consensus for their actions and thinking but can never really come to a consensus in the fast-changing modern world. What worked previously for human survival does not work today. So, to bypass a consensus that can never be reached the Public relies on an Elite, and government, to force others to come to a consensus.

After all this talk, what I’m hearing is, change to the system, to society, will only come from the individual making changes directly to their habits. Their choices.

It’s our only hope it seems.

There doesn’t seem to be an other solution.

You can’t force people. Through legislation or anything else. And the Elites are going to continue to do their thing.

It’s like we’re holding hands. Us hell bent on self-annihilation and them tempering us. All the while, barreling in that direction anyways. Together.

How long can this arrangement hold?

I don’t want to wake up one day in a 15-minute city, sipping on my daily allotted cricket smoothie, with a microchip in my head. But that seems to be the direction the modern world is headed.

So, start small and continuously in my own life. See where it goes. Watch the reflection change. As they say, put my life vest on first. Attract what it is I want by choosing it on the daily. For myself.

Don’t worry so much about the big picture. Or use it as a distraction. Focus on my local reality. Understand how reality is of my making and not something happening outside of me. Exert my control. Interpret anew.

Like you said, we won’t know if we don’t try.

I don’t want to see the alternative.

Did I miss anything?

There is no need to change society, or any system.

It's all about you.

Our only hope is the only one you need.


No other solution would make sense, unless we ignore reality.


There is no need to force people. It would not solve any problem.


You left out the part about the public continuing to do their thing ;)


It's hard to say. How long would people want it to hold? Forever, perhaps.

Wouldn't that be a fear-based narrative? No need to focus on fear, unless you want it of course.


Ahhh... yes!


Consider the big picture entertainment. The Chaos flows from your core in unexpected and interesting ways.


Maybe. Theory < action

Can we get some more superhuman intel and training?

You mean taking advantage with death bait. No, You're going straight to hell mr.

And it will be worth it.

I was thinking about this today. What I’m really saying is that I don’t think all the toxins that are there, are necessary. And do more harm than good. Regardless of how they got there (the Public - Elite dance)

Oftentimes, the Elites are right next to us making the same choices. Nobody’s innocent in this debacle.

Though I do see them in a new light,
it’s going to take me a minute or two to unpack all of my conditioning surrounding this.

I have moments in my mind where I catch myself saying “but they ________.” Deflecting to some other. For a fix that comes from outside myself. An old way of thinking. Like a muscle memory.

At least now I’m cognizant of more of the reality of why it is the way it is. And why I’m thinking like I’m thinking.

I think the chances are close to nil that the masses would stop demanding the modern world. Is this why the arrangement might hold “forever, perhaps”?

Humans and their gadgetry. I think it would take an act of God.

It will take most of us a good 5-15 more years to see and be comfortable with what I've all ready communicated.

One doesn't need to know any of it, of course. The knowledge of it solves no problem. From my side, though, it helps me to understand my own reality and to be more comfortable with how my perspective is. I don't mind sharing sometimes.

Training? Like Neo?

teeheeeeee!

So, it's too much of what we do not need. Thus, "evil".

That's the nature of Chaos.

When the Elites act in the role of a supposedly helpless Public, yes. We have all forgotten our selves.

We would choose differently if the world we chose was different.

But, distracted by the use and pursuit of technology and ignorant from having made ourselves so, we generally make stupid choices.


Yes. We subconsciously know that it is the price we pay, so we willingly pay it while consciously thinking that we do not want it to be paid.


If only God did anything.

Why mostly dark?