It is true, there are several links and posts referring to it, all backed up by credible info.
Use the simulator for the whole of december, damn, even the year for 2012 , like i have done..
There is nothing significant in 2012.
The Great Galactic cross, the celestial event spoken of by many faiths and religions as well as many profits is in 2007.
December 2007. And that is a fact. 2012 is a red herring, i believe there is massive proof in this thread that shows that THIS is the year, in fact i have seen no evidence suggesting different.
The Egyptians, The Washington Architecture, The Chinese Comet in 5BC, The fact Skull & Bones put their watches 5 minutes ahead. It is known that this is 5 years ahead. The fact there is no MAIN event in 2012.
It is now!!
Just to cap it off the Moon will be Blood red and 3 comets will be visable.
Evidence is in abundance. This is the year!!. One of the biggest secrets of TPTB.
I am talking about "galactic plane" vs "galactic center"
WE ARE NOT GOING INSIDE THE GALACTIC CENTER OMG!!!
That's what some people think and that's not correct...
there's a difference between galactic plane and galactic center.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 147800
This is what i am talking about when i say Galactic center.
The fact is is that Part of the Whole Galactic conjuncyional event will be Pluto's Conjunction with the Galactic center..
As shown below and on several other links that are posted in the thread.
tiles Neptune.
In Dec, the mood energizes as Saturn opposition Neptune gives way to Jupiter conjunct
Pluto. This start of a new Jupiter-Pluto cycle is dramatically reinforced by occurring in the
midst of a grand conjunction involving Jupiter, Pluto, the Sun, Mercury and the Galactic
Center, all of which are opposed by Mars. Pluto's conjunction to the Galactic Center (which
had its first exact pass in Dec 2006 and will have its last exact pass in Oct 2007) is the first
since 1759. Adding to the mix, 2007 is the 6th year in a 10-year series of exact Neptune-Pluto
septiles. These septiles are special this year because Neptune is septile the Galactic Center
around the time when Pluto, Jupiter, the Sun and Mercury conjoin it. The whole massive
configuration is pulled together by a dramatic Dec 24 Full Moon
[link to 64.233.183.104]
Anonymous Coward User ID: 295517 12/4/2007 5:50 PM
What 12 planets? Last time I checked there were only 9 (8 if you don't count Pluto)
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 323970
12 celestial bodies. Going off Sumerian text, not Nancy Lieder crap, it was recorded that there were 12 celestial bodies in the solar system. The 12th was Nibiru, the homeworld of the Anunnaki.
The Sumerians were able to accurately record distance in between stars and planets, and they even knew the colors of the planets within our solar system. I am not quick to put the Nibiru theory out of the hat.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 335513 12/4/2007 5:50 PM
If you still dont understand that means therefore the Galactic Center is part of the Great Gallactic event in December 2007.
Saying anything different is false information.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 335513 12/4/2007 5:53 PM
What 12 planets? Last time I checked there were only 9 (8 if you don't count Pluto)
12 celestial bodies. Going off Sumerian text, not Nancy Lieder crap, it was recorded that there were 12 celestial bodies in the solar system. The 12th was Nibiru, the homeworld of the Anunnaki.
The Sumerians were able to accurately record distance in between stars and planets, and they even knew the colors of the planets within our solar system. I am not quick to put the Nibiru theory out of the hat.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 295517
it is not nibiru, i think our Moon, The Sun and Comet holmes are counted, as that would make 12. I could be wrong, the information is in the thread in the first 2 pages.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 295517 12/4/2007 6:02 PM
What 12 planets? Last time I checked there were only 9 (8 if you don't count Pluto)
12 celestial bodies. Going off Sumerian text, not Nancy Lieder crap, it was recorded that there were 12 celestial bodies in the solar system. The 12th was Nibiru, the homeworld of the Anunnaki.
The Sumerians were able to accurately record distance in between stars and planets, and they even knew the colors of the planets within our solar system. I am not quick to put the Nibiru theory out of the hat.
it is not nibiru, i think our Moon, The Sun and Comet holmes are counted, as that would make 12. I could be wrong, the information is in the thread in the first 2 pages.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 335513
We could be talking about different things, but that is what the Sumerians recorded, 12 celestial bodies including Nibiru existed in the solar system.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 335513 12/4/2007 6:10 PM
What 12 planets? Last time I checked there were only 9 (8 if you don't count Pluto)
12 celestial bodies. Going off Sumerian text, not Nancy Lieder crap, it was recorded that there were 12 celestial bodies in the solar system. The 12th was Nibiru, the homeworld of the Anunnaki.
The Sumerians were able to accurately record distance in between stars and planets, and they even knew the colors of the planets within our solar system. I am not quick to put the Nibiru theory out of the hat.
it is not nibiru, i think our Moon, The Sun and Comet holmes are counted, as that would make 12. I could be wrong, the information is in the thread in the first 2 pages.
We could be talking about different things, but that is what the Sumerians recorded, 12 celestial bodies including Nibiru existed in the solar system.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 295517
Oh no, im sure your info is correct, i am just thinking currently and on what we "know" is there.
Remember we also have 3 comets visible in our system on this date too..
Anonymous Coward User ID: 335600 12/4/2007 6:18 PM
if this all is just a coincidence than as soon as this year comes to an end and nothing happens, ill just stop believing what Ive always believed, namely that we live in a special time
I will never stop believing that.
I know we're in a special time.
The signs are there.
Oh you can be sure about that ;)
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 335567
I am, I truly am...
I know we're talking to people in different countries here, but..did you see the floods in Washington State, USA, today??
Even where I live, in north eastern USA, the weather is so bizarre, for this time of year.
Floods, floods, floods, and...lots of snow for the northern climes.
Mexico, England, China had big floods this year.
And where I live, it is remarkably DIFFERENT.
Things are changing, rapidly.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 335360 12/4/2007 7:56 PM
wasnt there a thread about the US handing the americas over to the british on december 23rd? i think that the revolution will start then. if that actually goes down we will get the huge push we need in the US to fight the neo-cons.
if not, or if it was debunked, bummer. but i will say that there is a good chance that this event at the end of the month will not be disastrous.
You're grasping at straws now. Jan 1st is coming and that day is mine! hahahaha. Damn a lot of shit is getting debunked that day! I marked the calendar..lol
you are so prideful about all of this.
wont you please leave your ego at the door and try to approach these issues with some sort of maturity and lack of bias?
Ummmm no. Your asses are mine come Jan 1st. I notice all three threads are back peddling now. Three days ago we were all going to die on dec 23rd. Now we are talking about re-analyzing this shit. I warned you guys.
Quoting: Phoenix 2012
actually i was never a part of that fucking retardedly juvenile argument.
NO ONE knows for sure what will happen that day, i always assumed there was only mystery attached to it, and maybe the idea that something BIG was going to hapen that day.
i am a doom debunker, because i dont see the world as doomed, i see too much love and to many scriptures pointing to the world being renewed and saved.
can anyone post a link here to any sky chart site where the 23rd December alignment actually looks like a cross? all I could see on one of the pages was one straight line alignment with Earth, Pluto and Venus, but nothing more
[link to revlu.com]
“On October 31st 1999, EgyptAir's 990 Boeing 767 crashed opposite the American coast of Massachusetts shortly after takeoff, killing all 217 aboard.
US aviation authorities established that the co-pilot, Jamil Batouty,
who was not supposed to be on duty at the time, took over the controls
and put the plane into a sharp nosedive shouting Allah is Great! in Arabic.
A large group of Egyptian officers were aboard 990, flying home from
counter-terror combat and fighter jets courses in the United States.
Batouty has been assigned by his Egyptian Jihad Islami connections in
Los Angeles and Cairo to carry out a kamikaze mission to destroy this group.”
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Then, shortly after the crash, the ceremony of the capping of the Great Pyramid with a golden capstone is cancelled. In my opinion, there were two rival factions and one lost to the other. Those who won will cap their Pyramid on December 23rd 2007.
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From: EGYPTNEWS@aol.com
Sat, 18 Dec 1999
Subject: THE GOLDEN CAPSTONE CONTROVERSY
by Robert G. Bauval
Will the Egyptians scrap the millennium ceremony at the Giza Pyramids? By Robert G. Bauval
Amid accusation of 'Zionist' plots and 'Masonic' skullduggery, the Egyptian government is half minded to canceling the placing of a golden capstone on top of the Great Pyramid on the eve of the new millennium. It all began, strangely enough, in Paris in May 1998 when, after a golden capstone was ceremoniously placed on top of the Egyptian obelisk which stands at the Place de la Concorde, the Egyptian Minister of Culture, Farouk Hosni, announced that a similar ceremony would take place at the Great Pyramid of Giza at midnight on the 31st December 1999:
"We cannot rebuild the pyramids stone by stone, so we have chosen a symbolic event like the ancient Egyptians did when they used to cap obelisks like what the French did at the Place de la Concorde".
Then in early October 1998, the minister announced that he had commissioned French composer Jean-Michel Jarre to organize an all-night opera for this event. Details were then released in due course by the official Egyptian Tourist Authorities. They announced that Jarre would compose a 12-hours opera titled "The Twelve Dream of the Sun" for the sum of 10 million US dollars and that,
"At midnight a helicopter will fly into the site and, hovering in a starburst of lasers and spotlights, will place a gigantic gilded capstone atop the Great Pyramid --all to the accompaniment of what is expected to be an unprecedented Jarre crescendo of electronic music. The gold cap, approximately 28 feet high (about the size of a two-story house) is being especially constructed to protect the pyramid structure. In place, it will catch the first light of the new millennium as the sun rises over Egypt. Capping pyramids with gold and timing important events to the setting and rising sun are very much part of the ancient Egyptian pharoanic tradition, making this piece of Jarre theatre particularly meaningful."
It appears that the idea originated with Dr. Zahi Hawass, Under-secretary of State for the Giza Monuments. Apparently Hawass had made a recent discovery at Abusir near Giza, where he unearthed two limestone blocks with ancient inscriptions and drawings depicting workers moving a golden capstone for a royal pyramid amid scenes of dancing and celebrations. Hawass suggested to his superior, culture minister Farouk Hosni, that this was the ideal way that Egypt should celebrate the millennium. Jean-Michel Jarre proposed that 3 million people should be allowed to attend the event. The Egyptian authorities, however, stipulated a limit of 250,000 for 'security reasons'. Huge promotional events were organised in various capitals of the Western world, including New York, Los Angeles, Sydney and various cities in Europe. Preparations then began for a huge stage in the desert south of the Great Pyramid, intended to have seating capacity for 25 000 people at the price of $ 400 per ticket. Cheaper tickets were also sold for 'standing' places. All was apparently going to plan until September 1999, when senior member of the Egyptian Parliament began to complaint of the costs and that in December was also the religious month of Ramadan, when all devout Muslims have to fast from dawn to dusk and foreigners in Egypt are asked to refrain from drinking alcohol or eating in public areas during the hours of fasting. To counteract such criticism, culture minister Farouk Hosni stated that a ban would be placed on alcohol during the celebrations and that no music would be played till after the official breaking of fasting was announced. To add fuel to this political fire, the radical Egyptian press, notably the newspaper Al Shaab (The People) found out that Jean-Michel Jarre intended to project the so-called 'eye of Horus' on the Great Pyramid with laser lights, and immediately denounced the organisers of staging a 'Zionist' and 'Masonic' stunt. The Al Shaab claimed that the 'eye in the pyramid' blatantly evoked the well-known symbol of Freemasonry which can be seen on the US one-dollar bill. These accusations were hotly denied by Farouk Hosni and Zahi Hawass. "The suggestion is groundless", said Hawass." The celebration has nothing to do with Masonic beliefs. The design on the US dollar is a faulty imitation of the Pyramids of the Middle Kingdom."
The Americans have been paying particular attention to the proposed millennium ceremony at Giza, with dozen of guided tours already fully booked by US and Egyptian travel agents. Others will watch the event on television with over sixty major networks already signed up to broadcast by satellite the placing of the golden capstone on top of the Great Pyramid 'live' to channels all over the world.
"I will wait in front of the TV to see this great moment. It is one in a lifetime. I am counting the days!" Said Julie Holmes, a lawyer from Los Angeles.
A high profile group in Washington DC calling itself The Millennium Society, with members such as ex-White House official, Edward McNally, and a list of guests including Ronald Reagan, Mikhail Gorbachev, Deng Xiaoping, Bill Clinton, Bruce Springsteen, Elizabeth Taylor and Nelson Mandela apparently will,
"attend the World Millennium Charity Celebration, the 'Celebration of Civilisation' to welcome the Year 2000 at the Great Pyramid of Cheops and 23 satellite locations on New Year's Eve 1999’ÄThe Great Pyramid of Giza, Egypt, will be the cornerstone site of the World Millennium Celebration, and sanctioned events will be held at selected locations around the world. These celebrations will be linked to create a round-the-globe, round the clock welcome to the Year 2000."
Adding to the growing hype is another strange twist involving the 'prophecies' made by American Psychic Edgar Cayce also known as the 'Sleeping Prophet'. Cayce, who died in 1945, foretold the placing of a gilded capstone on the Great Pyramid which, according to him, would act as a 'symbol' for the rediscovery of the legendary 'Hall of Records of Atlantis' under the Sphinx and the second coming of Christ:
"The apex, the crown or apex (or capstone) was of metal; that was to be indestructible, being of copper, brass, gold with other alloys’Ä it became very fitting that there should be the crowning or placing of this 'symbol of the records' by one who represent the old and the new’Ä Hence there has arisen from this ceremony many of the things that may be seen as present’Ä the sounding of the New Year’Ä 1998 from the death of the Son of Man’Ä"
Oddly, Cayce also associates the event with the establishment of a sort of New World order based on Masonic principles:
"For with those changes that will be wrought, Americanism with the universal thought that is expressed and manifest in the Brotherhood of man into group thought as expressed in the Masonic Order, will be the eventual rule in the settlement of affairs in the world. Not that the world is to become a Masonic Order, but the principle that are embraced in the same will be the basis upon which the new order of peace is to be established’Ä"
Even more odd, perhaps, is the bizarre claim by Cayce that Jesus and John the Baptist (the patron saint of Freemasons) "took those last of the Brotherhood degrees" in the Great Pyramid of Giza. The Edgar Cayce Foundation has, since at least 1973, been involved in various expeditions at Giza to find the 'Hall of Records'. Two of its senior members, Dr. Joseph Schor and Mr. Joseph Jahoda, cause a huge controversy in 1996 when, under the cover of a license to conduct a general survey of Giza to find and repair faults and chasms under the bedrock, they extended their mandate and explored the ground under the Sphinx and claimed to have located a large man-made cavity under the paws at precisely the place Edgar Cayce had indicated. In August 1999 during a conference at the Edgar Cayce Foundation, Dr. Zahi Hawass announced the release of a new license to Joe Schor to conduct more radar soundings to find the Hall of Records under the Sphinx. He also announced that a small trap door at the end of a narrow tunnel inside the Great Pyramid, which was discovered by a German team in 1993 using a mechanised robot, will be opened early next year by the National Geographic team. Unconfirmed reports state that the Schor expedition planned to be at Giza on the 7th December 1999 to start their search with hopes that the Egyptian authorities will allow them to 'go further' if the radar results prove to be conclusive. Over the years much controversy and rumours has surrounded the precise relationship of the Edgar Cayce Foundation and the Egyptian Antiquities Organisation. Other than the fact that the Edgar Cayce Foundation promotes psychic beliefs and Biblical prophecies of the Second Coming of Christ, the finding of the Hall of Records and the lost continents of Atlantis, a much more down to earth controversy has been generated in an official biography of Edgar Cayce's eldest son, Hugh Lynn, where it is alleged that the latter was responsible in some ways for arranging for the university education of two senior officials involved with the Giza monuments. Edgar Cayce is also known to have envisaged in his trance sessions (called 'readings') the establishment of a new world order based on Masonic ideologies for the next millennium and somehow connected to the 'missing' capstone of the Great Pyramid and the return of the Christ. Whether it is anything to do with this or rather the recent announcement that an 'eye of Horus' would be projected on the Great Pyramid during the millennium celebrations is not clear, but in November 1999 the radical Egyptian press began to make open accusations of "Zionist" and "Masonic" plots, claiming that the combination of the golden capstone with the 'eye' symbol, which also appears on the US one-dollar bill, evoked Freemasonic ideologies. This symbol is also seen on the Great Seal of the United States of America which many believe to be Masonic. In early December the Egyptian authorities showed signs of caving in by threatening to scrap the golden capstone for the Great Pyramid. A face saving decision has been deferred to a 'scientific committee' who will have to approve or reject the scheme. It does seem extraordinary, however, that at this 11th hour with thousands of visitors already booked on flights and at hotels in Cairo and with dozens of TV networks geared to broadcast the event 'live' to all parts of the world, that the Egyptians are now speculating such a move. With less than two weeks to go to the 31st December, such a move would be disastrous not only for the tourist authorities but for Dr. Hawass and those who conceived the event. Also Dr. Zahi Hawass has very recently announced that the capstone, which apparently is made of an 8 m high metal frame, will not be covered in gold sheets but in copper, a rather poor replacement for such an event. Furthermore Dr. Hawass confusingly stated that "we cannot put it up with a helicopter because it will hurt the pyramid. Therefore if we find out that that putting this capstone will hurt the pyramid, then, we will not do it." It is very hard to see how a light metal frame lowered gently on the summit of the 6 million tons pyramid could 'hurt' it. It would be like placing a feather on an elephant's back; and even harder to see how else Dr. Hawass proposes to take the capstone up the 200 plus courses of the Great Pyramid to a height of 145 meters above ground level. Anyone who has climbed the Great Pyramid will know that this cannot be an easy task. Also missing the point, Dr. Hawass also denied that the capstone has anything to do with 'some societies', meaning Freemasonry. The point is not whether the decision to place the capstone has anything to do with the Brotherhood or any other 'society' but rather that the very act of placing it and the alleged projection of the 'eye of Horus' on the monument evokes Masonic ideologies and principles. As yet no official announcement has been made by the Egyptian State Information Service to cancel this event, and it is so far presumed that they will still go ahead. For scrapping the capstone ceremony would almost certainly be a serious blow to the credibility of those who promoted the idea in the first place. It would also generate a backlash from the thousands of visitors who have already paid hefty prices for airline tickets and hotels in order to witness the event on location; and greatly disappoint the millions of viewers around the world who prepared to watch it on television. It seems that it is not the 6 million tons stone pyramid that is at risk of being 'hurt' but the Egyptians' reputation for the flop of the millennium. The eyes of the world are watching. Simplicity is the key to Heaven.
I never had the chance to watch that original version, but thanks to YT here's 10 minutes of it :
At the begining of the movie, notice the American International Television logo : Capitol inside a circle... Omega !!! Simplicity is the key to Heaven.
33 AD(Jehovah WitnessNumber Code) plus 1974 equals 2007====F4 University of Santo Thomas Square 1611 to 2011(400th Anniversary)====King James Bible 1611 to University of Santo Tomas Square Philippines 2011(400th Anniversary)====7 of Mikaela Lagdameo lights star configuration shaped like hendaye cross. Necronomicon Dawning of Darkness. Check fotki in google Edgar Ocson Michael Dialessi. X Files Dec 22-23 2012 Seasons 1-9.====Rhian Dhenise Ramos Howell? Ouija Eye Board Picture 26 letters ,0 to 9 numbers Eye of Washington Michael Dialessi code( "Words Get In The Way" by Gloria Estefan, "Borderline" by Madonna song codes) Intercept===="Kaya mo iyan, Rhian. Inspite of it and despite of it , alam ko mabuti kang tao, unlike the others. Andyan ka na. I pass the research works to you. Kaya mo iyan. Just help (alam mo na iyon....)...."====To be continued====...."====....
Tom Clancy 12 Books 2001 to 2012 Code From Red Storm Rising to The Bear and The Dragon. Delay code??? Eight Book is 2008 Sum of All Fears. Seventh Book is 2007 Clear And Present Danger(Star Configuration Mikaela Lagdameo Dec 23 2007). 13th Book is SSN Submarine Warfare (SSN equals Sandra Seifert NoStRADAmuS (SANDRA S derivative and STELLA STRADA 1984 codec)). 2001 9 11 2001 WTC is Red Storm Rising for World Trade Center Micro Nuke 911 2001. 14th book being written??====Intercept=="Kaya mo iyan, Rhian. Basta ang mahalaga....(alam mo na iyon and fight that numbers and monsters inside you, it will haunt and possess you pero kaya mo iyan....)."====...."====Analysis==Demon Knight movie and Necronomicon Dawning of Darkness ps1 and pc game date codes. Clive Barkers Undying Fountain PC Game(still water invisible fountan hexagram reflection at the fountain water) in front of the Manor 8 sides(2007 to 2008) UST Main Building Resonance. Hangman Scrye near the door entrance in the beginning of the game is illuminati codec for Saddam Hussein Hanging?? in Clive Barker's Undying PC game at the beginning. Empty fountain pool of Covenant Manor after entering the gate is Symbol for eye of washington of Michael Dialessi.====To be continued====....
Anonymous Coward User ID: 335738 12/5/2007 3:03 AM
Tom Clancy (University of Santo Thomas code)Adds===2008 is Sum of All Fears pertains to nuclear terrorism (economic or political or military) or events describe in this thread. 2007 is Clear And Present Danger about drugs and the astronomical threats decribe in this thread due to star configuration Dec 22-23 2007 events. X Files date is then Dec 22-23 2007 to Dec 22-23 2012 . Joint Alien-Military US Base where Fox Mulder saw the date in the holographic flat screen is Dec 22 2012.(Song code "One"(Sabay itsa ng test tube ,allusion to cloning and genome or genetic experimentations and manipulations) by Filter and Three Dogs Night in X Files. "One" is for the One Dollar US Bill NWO Illuminati symbols in it.In-2 God-3 We-2 Trust-5 Correction(5 not 4, for 2007 to 2008 delay??) equals 12, mistake of 4 (in word"trUST")("trUST no one , mr. mulder by well-manicured man(hawig nila rockefeller at rothschild)", it becomes 2011 of University of Santo Tomas in "in god we trUST" acronym university derivative here in the philippines. Corrected is 12 for 2012 for the code In God We Trust in the One Dolar US Bill.====....
Anonymous Coward User ID: 295215 12/5/2007 3:10 AM
Wikipedia confirms the Great Galactic Cross and confirms that the Galactic center is indeed part of the great conjunction.
2007
A very remarkable planetary/galactic configuration occurs on December 23rd and 24th 2007. The configuration on December 23 — Mars, Earth, Sun, Mercury, Jupiter, Galactic Centre — is shown in the graphic simulation linked below; it becomes even more remarkable in that it will be accompanied by the Full Moon (conjunct Mars) at about 2 a.m. on December 24 when a simultaneous Venus square Neptune occurs. It is even more remarkable in that the Pluto/Sun conjunction appears exactly on the Winter Solstice, just past conjunction with the Galactic Centre.
Link below is the view from Mars toward the Jupiter, Mars, Earth, Mercury, Pluto alignment toward the Galactic Centre on 23 December 2007 which occurs just after the Pluto/Jupiter (Heliocentric) conjunction on 23 November 2007. NASA Solar System Simulator for 23rd Dec 2007
[link to space.jpl.nasa.gov]
Solar System on Dec 22, 2007. What is not shown is Pluto (which would be to Jupiter's right) Saturn, which follows down from Venus, and Uranus and Neptune. Saturn and Neptune form the cross's t-member. It is a 23/12 configuration. There will be a full moon on Dec. 23, 2007
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
This my friends is the fabled galactic Cross. They can interfere and misinform what year it is but they can not dictate to the Galaxy.
This is THE Conjunction. There is not one even remotely as rare and unique in 2012. This is the one!!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 335776 12/5/2007 4:48 AM
"Day of Destiny" ....i like the sound of that....whether it is the 23rd ..well we shall see. So go on good folks ...put forth your dates and times. I shall watch and take note of signs and wonders. : )
I do like the sound of that day though ...ahhhhh "day of destiny" ...very good : )
Anonymous Coward User ID: 335776 12/5/2007 5:41 AM
"Day of Destiny" ....i like the sound of that....whether it is the 23rd ..well we shall see. So go on good folks ...put forth your dates and times. I shall watch and take note of signs and wonders. : )
I do like the sound of that day though ...ahhhhh "day of destiny" ...very good : )
Quoting: * <----star of destiny 279402
Its all there Star* , read all the info in the thread. It is not just another doom date. There are many, many primary pieces of evidence that pointed me to this day of destiny...
Anonymous Coward User ID: 275647 12/5/2007 7:16 AM
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